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Anonymous Mon Mar 30 19:55:19 2020 No.14985378 [Reply] [Original]

Why did they hate pain so much?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 19:56:35 2020 No.14985383 >>14985378 Don't you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 19:57:58 2020 No.14985395 >s-suffering is actually g-good!! fuck off you little brat

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 19:59:45 2020 No.14985411 All of them were sheltered priviliged people. It is not a surprise that they despised pain so much, for the whole concept of non-pleasure was strange to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:01:34 2020 No.14985423 >>14985411 Hello sheltered privileged person

Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:03:08 2020 No.14985430

>>14985378
what is pain anyway it´s kind of confusing.
How does it become qualia??
You can programm a controller and make it prefer some abstract state to another state.
Does it feel pain when it is in a "unprefered" level state?

I can imagine how the qualia of the color red can work through associations but what´s the deal with pain?
you cant really slice pain in lower concepts.

It´s really a pain to think about

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:04:43 2020 No.14985436 It's funny how ancients knew they wanted eudaimonia/freedom from suffering, and now sheltered people don't know what they want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:06:58 2020 No.14985450 >>14985378 They had basic animal intelligence. There is nothing noble, cathartic or expiating in the experience of pain.

Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:07:09 2020 No.14985452
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Pain is a part of growth and is very necessary. Nobody can grow without pain, so if you want to grow, you have to accept it. If you don't grow, pain may not be there, but suffering will be. And that is the difference between suffering and pain.

Pain is beautiful because it has a potential to grow, and it is something on the way. Suffering is ugly, impotent, barren - nothing comes out of it. One goes on suffering and suffering and suffering, but nothing comes out of it; it is absolutely barren. Always choose pain, but never choose suffering. And that is the difference - you understand me? In the dictionary there may be no difference between pain and suffering, but in life there is a tremendous difference. Pain is beautiful - accept it, be courageous. Nothing is going to happen out of suffering so never accept it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:08:12 2020 No.14985457 >>14985411 anxiety of suffering pain maybe? makes sense Nietzsche had a painful poor life and wasn't as pessimist

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:24:48 2020 No.14985573 >>14985452 Based Osho poster

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:32:21 2020 No.14985615 >>14985452 I hate this "holier than thou" type of writing. I like the message, but the style of writing gets to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:35:13 2020 No.14985631 >>14985395 great arguement, reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:36:14 2020 No.14985640 >>14985378 Because they were smart and not coping slaves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:41:00 2020 No.14985674 Buddha hated suffering. Buddhists would actually tell you to focus on pain and what can be gleaned from it; it and suffering are inherent to life.

Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:45:50 2020 No.14985707
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>>14985615
So if you are not aware of beauty, you will not be aware of ugliness. If you are aware of beauty, you have become aware of ugliness. You will enjoy and you will feel the bliss of beauty, and then you will suffer. This is part of growth. Growth always means the knowledge of the extremes which constitute life. So when man becomes aware, he also becomes aware that he is not aware of many things, and because of that he suffers.

Many times I have seen, observed: someone comes to me to meditate. He says, "I am very much disturbed, tense inside, suffering. Somehow help me to still my mind." I suggest to him something to do. Then he comes within a week and says, "What have you done? I have become more disturbed."

Why does it happen? Because when he begins to meditate, when he begins to feel a certain silence, he begins to feel the disturbance more. Against that silence, now this disturbance is felt more keenly. He was simply disturbed before, with no silence inside. Now he has something to judge against, to compare with. Now he says, "I am going mad!"

So whenever someone begins meditation, he will become aware of many things he was not aware of before. And because of that awareness he will suffer. But this is how things are, and one has to pass through them.

So if you start meditation and you don't suffer, it means it is not meditation but just a hypnosis. That means you are just drugging yourself. You are becoming more unconscious. With a real, authentic meditation you will suffer more, because you will become more aware. You will see the ugliness of your anger, you will feel the cruelty of your jealousy, you will now know the violence of your behavior. Now, in every gesture, you will begin to feel somewhere a hidden animal in you. You will suffer, but this is how one grows. Growth is a painful birth. The child suffers when it comes out of the womb, but that is part and parcel of growth.

So it is right: "_awareness and knowledge give more richness, growth and depth to man's life" - not because man doesn't suffer, but because man suffers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:46:42 2020 No.14985713 >>14985411 That's the point of the buddha though.

Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:46:52 2020 No.14985716

>>14985707
If someone has led just a smug existence - as it happens with rich families - you will feel, you will observe, that if a person is born rich and he has lived without knowing sufferings, without knowing the pain of living, without knowing anything_ Whenever there is a demand, even before the demand, the supply is there. He has not suffered hunger, he has not suffered love, he has not suffered anything. Whatsoever is demanded is supplied; rather, it is supplied even before the demand is there. Then look in the eyes of that man: you will not find any depth. It is as if he has not lived. He has not struggled, he doesn't know what life is.

That's why it is always very difficult to find any depth in such men. They are superficial. If they laugh, the laugh is superficial. It just comes from the lips, never from the heart. If they weep, that weeping is superficial. It is not from the depths of their being; it is just a formal thing. More struggle, more depth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:51:41 2020 No.14985751 >>14985674 did he hate suffering after he realized where it came from? He clearly hated it when he was a prince but what about after?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:57:21 2020 No.14985775 >>14985378 It is literally by-definition undesirable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:58:53 2020 No.14985785 >>14985775 b-but nietzsche said...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 20:59:16 2020 No.14985792 >>14985452 Damn, based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:01:45 2020 No.14985806 >>14985411 None of them worked a day in their life

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:03:00 2020 No.14985815 >>14985436 There’s something incredibly ironic about incels shooting up schools

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:05:22 2020 No.14985831 File: 67 KB, 497x728, main-qimg-e0b1a897dcf5d322f7f61ee0032d0db8-c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14985806 >ah yeah man none of them could handle being a walmart cashier like me that's where true wisdom is forged.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:11:45 2020 No.14985865 >>14985378 They didn't. Stop thinking so literally. It's philosophical principles not getting your dick sucked or your hand chopped off. >>14985411 ok now board is just comical

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:14:35 2020 No.14985885 >>14985452 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:15:17 2020 No.14985893 Genetically programmed as such.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:18:36 2020 No.14985925 Didn't Kierk argue that suffering exists to bring us closer to God?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:35:18 2020 No.14986056 >>14985411 >NOOOOOOOOOO I have to leave my house to do basic stuff, such pain and agony! better write 10 treatises about suffering and the vanity of life

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 30 21:38:05 2020 No.14986080 >>14985430 Elaine Scarry, body in pain. That's the book, this is the post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:15:19 2020 No.14986965 >>14985378 pain hurts. I don't know about them though. I think if you're enjoying it, it isn't really pain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:18:22 2020 No.14986980 File: 127 KB, 680x574, c7442d998e52e03500ec22fc737c68c1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14985378 If pain's not bad, why not hit yourself in the dick with a hammer?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:20:29 2020 No.14986989 >>14985411 Buddha went through such hardship that you can't even IMAGINE, let alone bear

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:32:32 2020 No.14987032 >>14985925 he did

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:35:37 2020 No.14987044 >>14986980 its not good or bad, just a reaction of the body a mechanism to keep us away from doing stupid shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:36:39 2020 No.14987047 >>14987044 science retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:38:15 2020 No.14987053 >>14985925 Exactly. Kierkegaard understood that only through faith can we transcend our condition. Without it, everything is suffering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:40:13 2020 No.14987063 >>14987047 lol there is a disease that makes people painless, they have burn marks all over their bodies from holding hot pans and shit like that, they don't seem happier

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:41:07 2020 No.14987067 >>14985831 I keked

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:42:10 2020 No.14987073 >>14987063 Because the only pain that exists is physical pain. Lol

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:44:33 2020 No.14987084

>>14986989
What a joke, he sat around living a pampered palace existence until his 30's and then ran away and spent a few years studying with various Yogis and Jains. Genuinely enlightened people like Adi Shankara become a monastic at age 7 instead of sitting on his ass until middle age

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:44:47 2020 No.14987086 >>14985378 Schopenhauer didn't hate pain. Didn't he say that to suffer is what it means to be an individual, that to be at content and peace is to become existentially vegetative, submitted to your environment?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:52:26 2020 No.14987121 >>14987073 psychopaths then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 00:55:40 2020 No.14987138 >>14987121 Psychopaths definitely experience emotional and mental pain...just not for other people. Lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 07:30:36 2020 No.14988439 >>14986080 Yo thanks for recommendation

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 07:55:01 2020 No.14988499 >>14987084 pooey cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 09:47:15 2020 No.14988812 >>14987086 I thought schop said existence is pain

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