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Opinions on this book please and tell me if it's even worth reading or if it is entertaining in any way.

>> No.14980884

>>14980873
I found it entertaining and hilarous.

>> No.14980891

Shock value/10

>> No.14980902

>>14980873
If you want to experience the end result of Enlightenment thinking, it is worth reading.

>> No.14980904

>>14980873
it degenerates into a bare carcass towards the end of circrle 1 (out of 4 ) as it's unfinished. shock value dulls with every new mention of shit and assholes.
heard Justine is much better

>> No.14981278
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>>14980904
This

120 rip-roaring days of whipping, shitting, shitting whips, whipping shit, and let's not forget discharging your fuck

>> No.14981283

>>14981278
let's not forget sneeding the feed and chucking the seed

>> No.14981291

>>14980873

It's entertaining if you're a sick fuck. The stupid third comment >>14980902 doesn't follow at all though, he just thought it did because of the historical proximity of the ideas.

The fourth comment >>14980904 is also stupid because it's only in the sketched second through fourth parts that shit starts getting really good. And it's exactly this sophmoric, juvenile sketching of the extremities that lends value to the ideas expressed.

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>>14980873
it is the pinnacle or end goal of liberalism and libertarianism

>> No.14981332

>>14981310

You have diametrically misunderstood the political implications of the work, out of a youthful naivete. Sade instead represents the logical conclusion of "leftism". Nor is this usage confused; the etymology of "left" as-such derives from the left-right split in the French assembly at the time of revolution.

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If it was written today, it would not be as popular. People would call it gross and too extreme, but it would find its niche readers somewhere in internet.

But because it was written during the enlightenment, the historical context gives the book its flavor. On the surface it's mostly just trying to invent the most sodomizing and humiliating sexual acts one can think of. But it touches ideas as power and corruption, religion and atheism, hedonism, ones place in the universe and destiny. To be honest, pretty interesting for that day and age. It can be entertaining, but it really depends on the reader. Some will gain more from it and for others it will just be too cross and superficial. Really depend on the readers thought processes and earlier processed ideas and thoughts.

Iv'e read 120 days of Sodom and Justine from De Sade as a part of my project of reading books that touch the power side of bdsm.
They gave insight to the role of dom and into sodomy.
I've also read:
Venus in furs - Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
Kagi - Junichiro Tanizaki (The Key in english)
Fanny Hill - John Cleland
And atm am reading: Story of O - Anne Desclos (under the pen name Pauline Réage)

I recommend everyone to read it. Its not a long book, and everyone will gain something from the expaerience.

>> No.14981379

>>14980904
I agree with this, the only worthwhile aspects I could find were the fun and energetic prose in the intro and its ability to somewhat get you in the perverted headspace of the main characters, overtime you become so desensitized to the horror you wish for things to only get more horrendus because anything else would be dull. That said it is mostly a slog, and my general takeaway of de Sade is while he is pretty clever he is very 1 dimensional

>> No.14981468

>>14980873
It’s basically what butterfly believes if she’s being honest with herself and her choice of beliefs.

>> No.14981499

>>14981291
>it's only in the sketched second through fourth parts that shit starts getting really good. And it's exactly this sophmoric, juvenile sketching of the extremities that lends value to the ideas expressed.
glad you're into that, but generally people don't get such fine things or dislie repetetive, brief accounts of violence that arent that shockig if youve read the book to this part.

>> No.14982088

>>14981291

Enlightenment caused everything from the fall of the monarchies to degenerate shitwhipping because people decoupled from the Lord

>> No.14982202

Has anyone read Juliette by de Sade? How is that one?

>> No.14983120

>>14980873
I'm the type of edgesquire that loves this shit and I like Salo, but I don't think the English translation of the book is very worthwhile. Wait until you learn French, I'd say.

>> No.14983516

de Sade's books are unable to full fill their purpose in the 21st century. If you've seen actual footage of girls shitting in each other's mouths, how could a book possible compare?

>> No.14983541

>>14980902
So much the worse for the moralists, then

>> No.14983807

>>14982088

disestablishment of monarchy is a good thing and morality does not come from god because there is no god. cry harder.

>> No.14983922

Sade, or sadism more specifically, represents an extreme case of the golden rule 'do unto others...', or Kant's Categorical Imperative.

>> No.14983949

>>14983922
In other words, the break down, or fatal flaw of the golden rule becomes exposed with Sade. If Sade's fiction and characters represented how he himself wanted to be treated, then the morality of the golden rule breaks down and has to be reworked or thought differently.