/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14980371]

>Chuck Palahniuk
>Brett Easton Ellis
>Jack Donovan
Why are so many "masculine" and transgressive writers actually just massive homos?
>pic mostly unrelated

[Anonymous No.14980377]

>>14980371
There is no contradiction between masculinity and homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.14980382]

All right-wingers are closeted homos.

[Anonymous No.14980384]

>>14980382
Milo is far-left though.

[Anonymous No.14980391]

>>14980377
>Masculinity: the characteristics that are traditionally thought to be typical of or suitable for men. Cambridge Dictionary.
I didn't know men fucking and blowing other men was traditionally to be the suitable choice for all men.

[Anonymous No.14980407]

>>14980384
>Catholic
>pro-capitalism
>Trump supporter (calls him "daddy")
>worked for right-wing media
>voted for the right-wing party in the UK
Yea, a total commie this Milo guy.

[Anonymous No.14980432]

>>14980382
>>14980391
>closeted

[Anonymous No.14980437]

>>14980407
Communism belongs to a dead paradigm and doesn't exist anymore. There is no "right-wing media". And Trump is a leftist.

Look, anon, I know the only form of identity available to you as a liberal is to larp being a commie, but it's really time to grow up and get with the program. Either you accept the current system or you become a dissident, larping is just you pretending to resist the system while supporting it.

[Anonymous No.14980438]

>>14980377
>no contradiction between masculinity and homosexuality.
Maybe not in theory, but in practice there sure fucking is. Even theoretically, I'm not buying it.

[Anonymous No.14980445]

>>14980391
>>14980438
Lots of gay dudes are very masculine. Not all are the "flamer" type. Those stand out the most, so it creates an association bias in your mind about what gays are like.

[Anonymous No.14980454]

>>14980437
Far-left is communism, not some burger tier definitions of "le liberals xD." And yes there are so-called right-wing media like Breitbart.
>Look, anon, I know the only form of identity available to you as a liberal is to larp being a commie, but it's really time to grow up and get with the program. Either you accept the current system or you become a dissident, larping is just you pretending to resist the system while supporting it.
Not even sure what you mean, acting like you know me.

Either way explain how Milo is "far-left."

[Anonymous No.14980458]

>>14980445
Being a bottom is submitting. Submission is not masculine. Therefore being a bottom is not masculine.

[Anonymous No.14980459]

>>14980445
>>14980391

[Anonymous No.14980473]

>>14980458
Any sexual contact with other men is not masculine. Passive or active are both homosexual by definition and therefore not traditionally masculine.

[Anonymous No.14980482]

>>14980437
Imagine being this confused.

[Anonymous No.14980496]

>>14980454
>Far-left is communism, not some burger tier definitions of "le liberals xD."
I'm going by the French revolution definition since anything else is nonsense. Communism is dead, gone, not relevant, same as national socialism, monarchies and all the other dead systems. None of that is preset in the real world, your silly larping be damned.
>right-wing media like Breitbart.
Left-wing, it follows liberal ideology.
>Either way explain how Milo is "far-left."
You already went through it, he's a homosexual jew writing sensationalist pieces in favour of the usual muh librul values. Against collectivism in all forms, race or culture coming before capital and so on. Against strong state dominating international finance.

He's a radical leftist.

[Anonymous No.14980497]

>>14980371
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.14980503]

>>14980458
>Submission is not masculine
So the military isn't masculine? You have to submit and obey orders in the military. Any male organizations from the most basic tribal units requires submission to elders/authority. Taking cock in the ass is not in contradiction with masculinity.

[Anonymous No.14980507]

>>14980497
>implying that the masculine Greeks were homos
legitimately the funniest thing I've read all day

[Anonymous No.14980514]

>>14980482
Says the guy who is confused about his own identity. Tell me, how are you genuinely going against the system?

[Anonymous No.14980515]

>>14980503
>[semantic argument intensifies]
You know there's a difference between abstract submission for the purpose of order and discipline and literally bending over and willingly and gratefully taking a penis up your bumhole. Stop being a daft idiot.

[Anonymous No.14980516]

>>14980503
>coping this hard

[Anonymous No.14980523]

>>14980515
Your argument is semantic, because you are trying to define masculinity discursively. Like you can make a checkmark list of things that make you masculine or disqualify you. Masculinity is a quality, a gestalt phenomenon. It's an aura, an "energy" that people give off. Lots of homos have that energy.

[Anonymous No.14980533]

Seriously, what do the people holding up Milo as a "right-winger" even truly disagree with him about? These are like minor doctrinal squabbles in the USSR, you're of the same cloth, under the same banner and speak the same tongue. All of your assumptions are the same, you essentially agree about all premises. I mean, besides not liking Trump, how are you any different on any level?

[Anonymous No.14980548]

>>14980514
Read a book, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.14980551]

>>14980548
I did, you should read more of them than just the safe books you've been handed by the system.

[Anonymous No.14980554]

>>14980533
What on earth are you blathering about?

[Anonymous No.14980555]

>>14980496
>I'm going by the French revolution definition since anything else is nonsense
Anti-royalists vs pro-royalists? How does that help?
>Communism is dead, gone, not relevant,
Pretty alive in many countries of the world.
>Left-wing, it follows liberal ideology.
America was founded on liberal principles. Textbook liberalism. If that's the case then what do modern American conservatives even want to "conserve"? Are you implying all of America is liberal?
>He's a radical leftist.
He's not at a lefitst. Even using your French Revolution definion he would fall under pro-royalist.

[Anonymous No.14980564]

>>14980496
>Against collectivism in all forms, race or culture coming before capital and so on. Against strong state dominating international finance.
You just recited the definition of "rightwing", asshat.

[Anonymous No.14980570]

>>14980377
fpbp. look at the greeks.

[Anonymous No.14980593]

>>14980570
Homosexuality was seen quite poorly. Only a minority dared to practiced it.

[Anonymous No.14980627]

>>14980555
>Are you implying all of America is liberal?
Yes, of course it is.
>Even using your French Revolution definion he would fall under pro-royalist.
No, he's very far to the left and doesn't want social collective unity. Individualism was the thing pushed by the left, the destruction of institutions and so on that united the people and made them work as a collective. This tends to be in the favour of merchants and capital which grows into the dominant power.
>Pretty alive in many countries of the world.
Dead in all of them, I think you have conflated it with socialism.
>Anti-royalists vs pro-royalists? How does that help?
Because that's the only way the retarded left-right dichotomy isn't completely arbitrary. Then you have clearly defined bounds and foundations.
>>14980564
Then fascism and national socialism are far-leftist movements?

[Anonymous No.14980632]

>>14980371
Actually a good question. Many of the Nazis were homos and sexual degenerates.

Obviously, it's all compensation.

[Anonymous No.14980640]

>>14980554
That your small disagreements are miniscule compared to the ideology that you share.

[Anonymous No.14980642]

>>14980627
>Individualism was the thing pushed by the left
That's absurd. Individualism is the defining characteristic of the right.

>Then fascism and national socialism are far-leftist movements?
Fascism and national socialism are usually hierarchical, so no.

[Anonymous No.14980647]

>>14980640
I'm not a rightwinger, so what would I share with Milo? He represents everything wrong with the right.

[Anonymous No.14980664]

>>14980371
Masculinity without fatherhood is literally playing dress up.

[Anonymous No.14980666]

>>14980642
>That's absurd. Individualism is the defining characteristic of the right.
Not at all, the entire subject of liberalism as an ideology was the individual, individual freedom and so on. The monarchy was a more collectivist system that sought unity and the good of the group above the individual.
>Fascism and national socialism are usually hierarchical, so no.
Everything is, the Soviets had hierarchies as well. Without them collectives cannot function. That's why corporate America is promoting anarchy and other dumb shit in schools, things that will never be able the challenge capital. This is also why Stalinist Russia is demonised, effective use of power and organization.

[Anonymous No.14980681]

>>14980664
Based

[Anonymous No.14980683]

>>14980666
>Not at all, the entire subject of liberalism as an ideology was the individual, individual freedom and so on.
Liberalism is the Right. Nobody is a monarchist any more.

[Anonymous No.14980694]

>>14980647
You should be able to articulate how you fundamentally disagree with him then. Let's hear it. Are you rejecting humanism, the idea of individual liberty, anti-racism, anti-hierarchy, the ideal of a weak state or about what the purpose of a government is supposed to be? Do you reject materialism or even basic concepts he has? Or do you agree with pretty much all of his assumptions and worldview except that Trump is bad man?

[Anonymous No.14980697]

>>14980627
So communism is dead, yes, but how come the French Revolution dichotomy of anti-royalists vs royalists is alive even thouh all major monarchies are dead in the West? What on earth does right-wing even mean to you? Genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.14980698]

>>14980694
Leftists reject capitalism/liberalism. Rightwingers like Milo champion it.

[Anonymous No.14980699]

>>14980473
This is a modern conception. The Greeks divided the roles by their nature. Receiving was feminine, and would be more in line with what they considered "gay", giving was masculine and you wouldn't be thought of as gay in the modern sense

[Anonymous No.14980704]

>>14980507
>Implying they didn't slam some bussy when they wife wasn't putting out

[Anonymous No.14980713]

>>14980699
>This is a modern conception.
And where are we right now? We're aren't in Ancient Greece, mate. Please take your meds and stop trying to justify homosexuality as "masculine."

[Anonymous No.14980716]

>>14980704
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.14980720]

>>14980683
I already said monarchism is dead, along with communism and national socialism. But the position of the monarchists is not dead, it remains and this must be the dissident one as well as the true "right" if you must use that stupid system to comprehend politics. That is to say the illiberal position, the one that is not about negative freedom, such as freedom FROM government, church, family, duty, whatever, but positive freedom. It could take the form of something like Juche, China is close to it and so on.

In my view both communism and fascism were very similar because of their structure and such, obviously communism aimed to be more "flat" but there's no real difference. They were a step towards what monarchies were. I'm very much supportive of that, strong collectivism against capital. Don't really care about the right-left labels but clearly America was founded on the same values the French revolutionaries had, it was pure individualism. Milo is simply adhering to these revolutionary values still, because they align with corporate interests and such.

[Anonymous No.14980726]

>>14980473
>not traditionally masculine.
hahahahahaha you post 50s burgerland notion of traditional is laughable.

[Anonymous No.14980734]

>>14980713
It's a different perspective and one I identify with because I don't consider myself gay or bi but I have fucked twinks before. I've only ever had relationships with women.

[Anonymous No.14980741]

>>14980726
We get it mate, you're homosexual and you like to larp as a tough guy. It's alright but you still aren't masculine, sorry.

[Anonymous No.14980743]

ben shapiro is also a leftist btw

[Anonymous No.14980747]

>>14980437
Based

[Anonymous No.14980759]

>>14980720
Pretty sure Milo is a Zionist was well, which is a right-wing view. And if those values he has truly "aligned" with corporate interests then he wouldn't have been banned from every major social media platform and booted from his own job.

[Anonymous No.14980761]

>>14980698
Yes, but what does this actually mean? What I'm getting at is that you likely haven't taken this dissent far enough, you're still under the liberal zone of ideological domination. It's not enough to say you oppose capitalism/liberalism, you have to reject the entire premise, the foundational ideas and principles underlying it. Become a genuine radical.
>>14980743
He most certainly is.

[Anonymous No.14980770]

>>14980761
>He most certainly is.
lol he is? I was just joking. Tell me how so I can troll my friend who's a Shapiro fanatic.

[Anonymous No.14980775]

>>14980458
And who do you think fucks bottoms?
Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.14980777]

>>14980775
Gay tops.

[Anonymous No.14980778]

>>14980761
The foundational idea is private property rights. That's what needs to be rejected.

[Anonymous No.14980781]

>>14980759
Zionism being right-wing is accurate, but him being bullied is just a part of the inner fake polarity of liberalism, you have the """left""" calling their opponents "nazis" and the """right""" calling their opponents "commies", it's a total clownshow. Both serve corporate interests. American politics is very silly.

[Anonymous No.14980798]

>>14980781
Was Chomsky right about America, then?

[Anonymous No.14980809]

>>14980778
It's really not. You need to dig deeper.
>>14980798
Naturally, you're never going to vote your way to anything besides that which the system already allows.

[Anonymous No.14980810]

>>14980371
>devout catholic
>married to a man
How does this work, christcucks?

[Anonymous No.14980811]

>>14980454
>acting like you know me.
ouch

[Anonymous No.14980826]

>>14980798
This idea of the nation as a business is a leftist one, that there's no purpose to the state other than to be an economic manager. Think about it, all political discourse is of this nature and with this assumption. Nobody challenges this.

[Anonymous No.14980831]

>>14980826
He's talking about parties, not nations, though. Big difference. Unless you think political parties is all a nation is.

[Anonymous No.14980832]

>>14980810
Not by the law of God, only the civil way. He even opposes homosexual marriage by some churches. And he knows he's sinning.

[Anonymous No.14980862]

>>14980503
By being made a receptacle for another man's sexual fluids, you are literally assuming the most feminine role possible in nature. You are taking the role of someone who is to be impregnated.

[Anonymous No.14980869]

>>14980811
Yes, I'm not commie.

[Anonymous No.14980887]

>>14980371
Fucking twinks is based

[Anonymous No.14981034]

>>14980371
Fags are by their nature transgressive. They also experience masculinity in a way neither straight men or women would understand, they both inhabit it and see it as an object of desire and beauty, experiencing it in its full sublime form. As masculinity becomes more taboo and underappreciated in modernity, it will necessarily follow many of it's defenders will be fags.

[Anonymous No.14981197]

>>14980832
>opposes homosexual marriage
Those are entirely empty words when he is engaging in the very behaviour he's condemning - not through failure but deliberation.
>he knows he's sinning
Yet, he's wholly unrepentant. He isn't must a sinner falling short. You don't go out of your way to codify your sin in law and ceremony if the sacrament of marriage is something you genuinely wish to uphold.

[Anonymous No.14981608]

>>14980407
You are so oblivious to what he is doing.
He is intentionally showing how degenerate society is, even participating in the degenerate behavior himself.
By being right-wing or "conservative" he is showing that both sides are doomed.
The only solution, therefore, is a far-left authoritarian revolution.

[Anonymous No.14981632]

>>14980716

[Anonymous No.14982420]

>>14981034
This is the only post in this thread that both makes sense and is relevant.

[Anonymous No.14982436]

>>14981632
this kills the straightie

[Anonymous No.14982534]

>>14980862
Damn bro you're getting me hard.

[Anonymous No.14982694]

>>14980664
This. All these incels trying to be Hercules will be outdone by a man with a son.

[Anonymous No.14982701]

>>14981034
Being masculine isn't about some superficial muscles like muh gay greeks. Lead a family, faggot.

[Anonymous No.14982715]

>>14980371
The Burgerstan pop writers to which you refer are homosexuals of the not particularly self-aware masochistic variety, popular partly because they are that, and representative of a type more than usually abundant in Burgerstan specifically, where biblical rant of puritan slant borders upon madness in many areas irrespective of party. They are neither popular with nor representative of gay men whose attitudes & tastes are deeply transgressive of popular expectations and the assumptions from which those emerge. The true masculine type is characterized by a kind of haughty irony that by its nature is either elusive to easy inquiry into its motives, or extremely overt in its sendups of subjectivity in matters of affinity generally, not just those that pertain to sex. Most sociable metropolitans intelligent enough to be among the choosers of company they keep, neither desperate nor much given to desperate tactics in gaining the approval of crowds, are fully aware of this difference.

[Anonymous No.14982762]

>>14981632
>a character in a play represents the entirety of Greece
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.14982833]

>>14982715
>trying this hard to sound smart in /lit/

[Anonymous No.14982847]

>>14980371
>transgressive Judas Goats
The Fight Club film ending was pretty on the nose with the controlled demolitions spam right before 9/11, doubt he's not sucking the bioluminescent Congolese teats if the closeted homosexual allegory weren't plain as day enough

[Anonymous No.14982975]

>>14982833
>clown-world, the post

[Anonymous No.14983127]

>>14982975
>gets BTFO for thesaurus word-salad
>i-i-i-it's just an anti-intellectual clown world, man

[Anonymous No.14983222]

>>14983127
>them big words is just nonsense I tell ya hwut!
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.14983267]

>>14983222
Intelligent people are concise.
You're a moron attempting to appear smart to impress a bunch of anonymous shut-ins on a Bangledeshi sketching board.

[Anonymous No.14983284]

>>14980371
>republican
>gay and loves black cock

Like pottery

[Anonymous No.14983300]

>>14983284
Same as the dems then, two sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous No.14983308]

>>14983284
>Ah yes, we've been expecting you
I can hear Socucius Ergalla's voice

[Anonymous No.14983342]

>>14983267
>Intelligent people are concise.
According to whom?

[Anonymous No.14983346]

>>14983300
>>14980798
correct

[Anonymous No.14983366]

>>14980371
>masculine and transgressive
>"actually just" homosexuals
there's no contradiction there. look at the greeks, those boy-fuckers were the peak of masculinity in history

[Anonymous No.14983372]

>>14983308
There are a few ways we can do this and the choice is yours?

[Anonymous No.14983387]

>>14983372
bless you, anon

[Anonymous No.14983403]

>>14983366
>he fell for the "all the greeks were gay" meme

[Anonymous No.14983742]

>>14980371
Why is he so smug bros?

[Anonymous No.14983894]

>>14983742
it's this weird default expression for obnoxious gays. like everything is amusing and lewd.

[Anonymous No.14983918]

>>14983894
Based Colton-poster

[Anonymous No.14984011]

>>14983918
would his fiance Caleb (RIP) fall into this masculine-but-still-homo construct?

[Anonymous No.14984234]

>>14983403
nigger, men were conceived as more perfect beings than women, therefore a sexual relationship between two males would be more perfect

[Anonymous No.14984293]

>>14981034
this

you cant have the perspective of jack donovan, yukio mishima, or gertrude stein without being a homo/les.

their sex lives revolve around categories rather than biology. "top" "bottom" "butch" "twink" etc. this leads to deep analysis of masculinity and femininity.

[Anonymous No.14984699]

>>14984293
>"top" "bottom" "butch" "twink" etc. this leads to deep analysis of masculinity and femininity
>>imagine unironically believing this
>>imagine coming from reddit and thinking you could post this undetected

[Anonymous No.14984740]

>>14984699
>meme arrows
>nothing to contribute

[Anonymous No.14984772]

>>14980391
>>Chuck Palahniuk
>>Brett Easton Ellis
>>Jack Donovan
>Why are so many "masculine" and transgressive writers actually just massive homos?
>>pic mostly unrelated
>t.tries to to do philosophy using a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.14985075]

>>14984740

[Anonymous No.14985092]

don't waste anytime thinking about these people