/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14955005]

>complete monologue about mice
>toothaches and how it causes pleasure
>two times two is four
>gentlemen
80% of the first part read much like babbling to me. However, I'm glad I didn't drop it after the first part. Btw, what was his obsession with the guy who bumped into him once? What about his vendetta against his schoolmates? What was his deal with Liza?
I think I might've been filtered, gentlemen.

[Anonymous No.14955017]

Filtered.

[Anonymous No.14955269]

>>14955017
Hand me the fire and show me the way, anon. How should I go about re-reading it?

[Anonymous No.14955272]

You should actually reread the first part very carefully

[Anonymous No.14955348]

>>14955005
I didn't really get the first part either, but what is there not to get about the guy he bumped into? Because the man felt that he was better than him, the narrator wanted to challenge that superiority the man had. As for the his schoolmates they were rude to him so he hated them and felt he was better than them, but he still wanted friends, hence why he went to dinner with them later. For Liza, I think he saw that in a way she was like him so he hated and loved her so much at the same time, but still because he then found that she was completely different he couldn't stand her anymore.

[Anonymous No.14955394]

>>14955005
He's a man of contradictions. Internally he self-aggrandises, externally he cowers. Internally he's a great romantic, externally he manipulative and mean. He wants society but does his best to push it away, he only participates out of spite. Someone post that schizoid personality table.

[Anonymous No.14955550]

>>14955394
so basically he's a typical /lit/izen
ok, he's a bit more complex, a bit more interesting than /lit/, but for op's purposes that would be a good starting point, I think
he's what /lit/ would look up to and say "wow he's literally me"

[Anonymous No.14955782]

>>14955272
I'll try to do this.
>>14955348
That makes sense. Regarding the man he bumped into, all I could think was why the narrator is so fixated to challenge a complete stranger he bumped into once. As for his schoolmates, why would he want to be friend with people who were rude to and belittled him, even if he didn't have friends? However, it could be argued I'm just projecting myself into the character. As for Liza, could you elaborate how she turned to be quite different to his impression of her back at, what I pressume, was a brothel?
>>14955394
>>14955550
This helps me make more sense of it now. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.14955860]

>>14955005
>saying that one of the easiest philosophical segments of Dostoevsky reads like babbling
Damn, man
Did you not read many books or something?

[Anonymous No.14956331]

ive been reading brothers karamazov. no spoilers but is it just me or is the long chapter saying about elder zozima's life, which fair enough starts off really good, but it just descends into extreme, grating preaching which just becomes irritating. XD LOVE EVERYONE XD KISS THE FLOOR FOR EVERYONE XD IF SOMEONE FUCKS YOU OVER KISS THE FLOOR AND FEEL HIS SIN AS YOUR OWN

it wouldn't bother me if i didnt feel like he was just a mouthpiece for dosteovsky's views.

no spoil ploz bros

[Anonymous No.14956462]

You’re too much of a Normie to understand this book if this is what you’re asking. The whole thing is hilarious including the guys in the second part. Ffs, I really hope this is bait.

[Anonymous No.14956498]

>>14956331
>the character I don't like is obviously the author's mouthpiece

[Anonymous No.14956506]

It is primarily a book about free will. The Underground Man shows you this in somewhat absurd ways.

[Anonymous No.14956772]

>>14955860
Don't despair, Apollon. I'll certainly be re-reading it a bit more patiently next time.
>>14956462
I'll grant you that I didn't understand it as much as I should had, however I did find it hilarious, especially when the narrator goes back and forth between some sense of sel-importance and utter despair as alluded by >>14955394.

[Anonymous No.14956777]

There’s a crucial section during the first part where Dostoyevsky distinguishes the man of action from the man of thought. The underground man is a man of thought in this sense (it doesn’t mean he’s an intellectual, an intellectual can be a man of action). Reread this part and you will understand why he gets fixated on exacting his revenge.

[Anonymous No.14956825]

>>14956498
based upon the fact the elder is portrayed in the book as an ultimate ascended being who is omniscient who quotes the new testament constantly and the fact dosto was a hardline orthodox christian who also had a hard-on for the new testament and jesus, yea.

[Hyronimus B No.14956847]

>>14955550
>wow he`s literally me
i actually thought that.

[Anonymous No.14957111]

>>14956772
>Apollon
What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.14957191]

>>14957111
We all did.
Jealous of Chad Thundercock flouting the rules and being a Great Man of Action smashing down walls, even in his stupidity, whilst we whittle away our lives hiding, worried about what inconsequential people think of us, achieving nothing, doing nothing, hating everything, being smarter and better read than 99%, obsessing over slights and imagining happy lives with waifus. Would you want to be cured? Take a pill and become a normie and live a happy life in the Crystal Palace? Live, laugh and love?

[Anonymous No.14957356]

>>14957191
take your meds

[Anonymous No.14957417]

>>14955550
>"wow he’s literally me"
accurate, but in this case they’d actually be correct

[Anonymous No.14958735]

>>14955005
>what was his obsession with the guy who bumped into him once?
>What about his vendetta against his schoolmates?
> What was his deal with Liza?
If you know you know

[Anonymous No.14958804]

>>14958735
this. only real mans of underground would get it amirite?

[Anonymous No.14958810]

>>14957356
He's just describing the narrator's outlook in the book

[Anonymous No.14959248]

>>14958804
unironically yes. very cringe reply