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Cosmos discussion:
I thought it was an ass hat move to include undertones that there was a creator, but despite that good book.

>> No.1493368

Why ?

It's not like it was a book trying to disprove god.

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>>1493356

>"herp derp, if you don't talk like richard dawkins your a fagget"

>> No.1493670

>>1493356

Sagan believed god is the universe, and we each contain the universe in us, so we are god.

No one ever said Sagan was atheist you dumb fuck

>> No.1494518

>>1493670
You just described pantheism. Sagan wasn't pantheist, he was agnostic.

>> No.1494607

Actually, he described "panentheism", not pantheism. There's a difference.

http://websyte.com/alan/pan.htm

Sagan didn't believe in God:

"Sagan once asked Rev. Joan Campbell, general secretary of the National Council of Churches, "You're so smart, why do you believe in God?" Campbell retorted to Sagan, "You're so smart, why don't you believe in God." - http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/politics_conservative/9227

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>>1494607

>> No.1494624

>>1494607

The perfect example of why science vs. religion is an unwinnable war.

>> No.1494627

>>1494617

Yes, precisely as I said: Sagan didn't believe in God.

(Just to add, without wanting to open the atheism v agnosticism debate but willing to, Athiest tranalsates from the Latin as "Without God".)

>> No.1494628

>>1494627
Ugh.
Sagan didn't believe in God; he was agnostic.

>> No.1494633

>>1493670
Sagan was a retard. Keep trying to claim you've actually had a decent scientist, Americans.

>> No.1494638

>>1494633
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=carl+sagan&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo
=&as_vis=0

He didn't do much science. But he helped the layman understand many science topics and motivated lots of children to pursue the stars.

>> No.1494651

>>1494633

You sure sound well versed in the sciences.

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>>1494633

HE WAS AN AWESOME SCIENTIST AND HE WAS BETTER THEN THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BETTEREST!!!

>> No.1494674

>>1494633
There's still Hubble dumbass.

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>>1494633

this fagget is actin like we didnt invent the motherfuckin light bulb over here or somethin

>> No.1494684 [DELETED] 

>>1494678
Tesla was born in Croatia.

>> No.1494709

>>1494628


Again, as I said, Sagan did not believe in God.

And while he refers to himself as an agnostic, it is clear he is not. He is playing politics here at best and, at worst, using words deceptively to gain hand.

His definition of agnostic as provided is woefully inadequate: ". . . somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it."

Well under this definition I am agnostic about unicorns. And green frogs. And whether I am a brain in a jar. It is precisely because there is no evidence for these things, that I don not believe they pertain. Which is to say, I believe they do not pertain.

Sagain was exactly the same about God. He believed from the lack of evidence that God did not exist.

This is not agnosticism in any meaningful sense of the word.

(I respect Sagan and think "The Demon Haunted World" is a classic of pop-science.)

>> No.1494712

>>1494678
LIKE HOW YOU `INVENTED` THE TELEVISION AND DOZENS OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DIDN`T EVEN FUCKING INVENT?

>> No.1494714

>>1494709
He didn't believe in God.

>> No.1494717

>>1494714

Correct. He was an atheist.