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i'm rereading this and am only now realising it's fucking insane

how did people fall for this?

>> No.14929694
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Kahneman is fine; it's Thaler you have to watch out for.
>I have been hyping Daniel Kahneman’s recent book, because it is largely an exposition of his research of thirty-five and forty years ago, with filtering and modernization
Taleb also calls him Danny.

>> No.14929787

>>14929694

But Thaler isn't responsible for all of this clearly ridiculous, completely fucking ludicrous, "priming" bullshit in Thinking Fast and Slow

I know Kahneman has distanced himself from it now, but Jesus

>> No.14930012

>>14929664
What's the problem with it, thought about reading it.

>> No.14930025

>>14929664
>rereading this, only now realising it's insane
>how did people fall for this?
You tell me.

>> No.14930241

>>14930025

You tell me you fucking idiot, obviously I fall under people, your mother is filth

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14930300

This is better.

>> No.14930316

>>14930241
Yeah but now you've clearly beaten the spell so you should be in a much better position to tell us.

>> No.14930328

>>14930316

I can't see why I fell for this bogus in the same way you can't see your own penis you fat ass

>> No.14930357 [DELETED] 

>>14930012
The chapter about social priming is completely wrong, based completely on underpowered studies almost all of which fail to replicate. Which is kind of embarrassing because in the chapter Kahneman writes that, while most people are instinctively skeptical of these supposed effect, disbelief is not an option and you have no choice but to accept these findings. Turns out the skeptic laypeople were justified. Other than that, the book is mostly alright, although I'd recommend to read Gigerenzer's books on the same topics as well, who comes to somewhat different conclusions/interpretations regarding some issues.

>> No.14930373

>>14930012
The chapter about social priming is completely wrong, based exclusively on underpowered studies almost all of which fail to replicate. Which is kind of embarrassing because in that very chapter Kahneman writes that, while most laypeople are instinctively skeptical of these supposed effects, disbelief is not an option and you have no choice but to accept these findings. Turns out the skeptical laypeople were justified. Other than that, the book is mostly alright, although I'd recommend to read Gigerenzer's books on the same topics as well, who comes to somewhat different conclusions/interpretations regarding some issues.

>> No.14930388

>>14930373

it's probably worth adding the priming stuff is used to justify other outlandish claims about heuristics, outside of the chapter solely dedicated to priming

>> No.14930405

>>14929664
>how did people fall for this?
You ask after all the taleb-shilling threads the last days?
Because everyone is a fucking moron

>> No.14930428

>>14930388
What exactly do you have in mind?

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>>14930388
Thanks for the explanation friend.

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>>14929664
I'm glad I never even read past the first few pages. Many books are simply not worth your time. Be picky next time.

>> No.14930457

>>14930428

the chapter on anchors, for example

>>14930440
that was this guy >>14930373, I'm >>14930388
, I was just elaborating on what he said

>> No.14930497

> it's fucking insane
nice arguments, what is it that you don't understand then? it empirically identifies two distinct mode of thinking, which have be repeated endless number of experiments.

>>14930457
>the chapter on anchors
anchoring is perhaps the greatest output of the book, it can explain so many apparent paradox of human behavior; why grass is always greener on the other side.

>> No.14930569

>>14930497
https://replicationindex.com/2017/02/02/reconstruction-of-a-train-wreck-how-priming-research-went-of-the-rails/

>>14930497
>anchoring is perhaps the greatest output of the book, it can explain so many apparent paradox of human behavior; why grass is always greener on the other side.

I am wracking my brains and I have no idea how you came to this conclusion. Kahneman makes no such claims in the book. Please explain, in clear and practical terms with an example, what the fuck you are talking about.

>> No.14930712

cutting edge psychology research tends to go bad fast. I got burned taking stress-parasite "priming" bullshit seriously as well. One failed replication of a high profile but small study later...

>> No.14930866

So he was wrong about priming and you disregard the while book?

>> No.14931212

le meme book

>> No.14931654

it's another

>op holds someone else to a standard of evidence that he won't meet himself episode

All of your criticisms are useless for this reason. If we shouldn't listen to him, why should we listen to you? There doesn't seem to be a point to this thread beyond simple complaining...

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>>14931654

>> No.14932797

>>14929664
This book is just ok. Any introductory textbook on social psychology will yield far more useful insights.

>> No.14933011

>>14931654
>If we shouldn't listen to him, why should we listen to you
there was no arguments from him, only angry empty words and name calling, so didn't even bother responding