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Plays>Books>Music>Film

>> No.14905730

>>14905652
expand on these thoughts or don't share them.

>> No.14905759

The best plays are books, retard

>> No.14905769

>>14905652
They all do what they do. Cringe take.

>> No.14905772

>>14905652

Books=music=film>>>>>>plays

>> No.14905814

>>14905772
This. Fuck plays.
Only thing worse might be musical theatre, but really that's just a subgenre of plays.

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>>14905652
>Video games > TV/Movies > Books > Plays> Music

>> No.14907355

>>14905652
Poetry > Music > Prose (fiction + philosophy + essays) > Culinary Arts > Film > Painting > Architecture > Theater > Opera > Television > Video games

>> No.14907529

Books = Games >>> TV shows >>>> Film >>>>> Music

>> No.14907600

>>14905652
a video game is an interactive film
a film can contain text and music
a piece of music can contain speech as in text

thus (objectively):
games > film > music > text

>> No.14907605

Books>Music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Film=Plays=Non-Art in general

>> No.14907626

>>14905652
Books > Vidya > Music > Classic films > TV shows > Modern films >>>>>>>>>>> Plays

>> No.14907636

why should I have to rank these

>> No.14907739
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14907739

Money and technical hurdles are what limit the ability of a creator to use a medium.
>>14907600 would be true if this were not the case. Currently however I think the opposite order is the correct order.

>> No.14907778

pornography>>>>

>> No.14907780

>>14905652
Cave paintings > community incantations > anime

>> No.14907799

>>14905652
>Plays>Books
what the fuck are you on anon? this has to be b8

>> No.14907816

music > video games > animation > live action film > books > plays > live action TV shows > comic books

>> No.14907861

>>14907600
Nope, the broader your focus, the worse every element gets.

I'll give you an example, a beautiful symphony, a painting or a puzzle, will most of the time be better music, art or a puzzle, then when those elements are combined in a vidya, because the goal of vidya is not to create the best music to listen to, or the most beautiful scene or the most logical puzzle, but.... to create a good vidya.

>> No.14907978

>>14907861
>Nope, the broader your focus, the worse every element gets.

but there's ~integration~. the blue danube was forever left an impression on the film-goers psyche by 2001 a space odyssey; asuka fighting NERVs in NGE with symphony no. 7 mvt is also memorable.

then, there's also the fact that background music/sounds can be made very salient/significant through the use of film, thats something that is much harder / you can't do with pure music alone.

you could also argue that lyrics a-la poems are better sung/heard than read

also the fact that there is no good vidya that integrates those doesn't mean its impossible. imagine what posabilities of text can be achieved if you permit non-linearity a-la visual novels? what if a guy like joyce or dfw could take it to its full extent? could you even fathom that?

>>14907739
yes i share some sentiments towards your ranking, but also take into consideration that creating art is often as much wrestling with the medium as is wrestling with the ~creative process~

>> No.14908091

Tapestry > wooden handicrafts > macramé > knitting > beadwork > basket weaving

>> No.14908124

useful for different things

fuck singular culture

>> No.14908299

>>14905652
Anime>Poetry>Music>Plays>Books>TV>Film

>> No.14908329

>>14905652
music > cinema > photography > poetry > philosophy > painting > theatre

>> No.14908367

>>14907600
This is a stupid argument. You can’t appreciate the complete quality of a piece while also keeping track of a dialogue and attempting to appreciate the composition of a film frame. That’s why still frames from films always appear more impressive than when you actually see them in it. Humans aren’t good a multitasking. What we get from the combination of multiple sensible elements is a synergistic experience distinct from any one of its elements or alternate combination of them. Seeing a film sequence with a piece of classical music is different from just listening to it. But ultimately, you will never pick up on the complexity or subtlety of the piece wgen watching in tune with a film sequence.

>> No.14908393

>>14907600
Not even. Videogames can just be some kind of interactive novel if you want. Videogames effectively hold all under other forms. Anything can be used. Given that there's even things like walking simulators, I don't think you can say videogames is one thing in the same sense that the others are. It's more a selective mashups of all the others.

>> No.14908414

>>14908393
You don’t interact with a novel, a song or a film. The term “interactive novel” is arbitrary since it has nothing to do woth actual novels. You can print out all the text in them and you have barely a short story, also it wouldn’t make sense without the user inputs. An “interactive novel” has more in common with a microwave than with literature.

>> No.14908439

>>14908367
you can fathom a film jump cutting into a chunk of text that is contextually relavant and compositionally significant, there is no particular reason to is any better/worse in sequential context of text opposed to film.

my ranking is influenced by the amount of "creative potential" allowed in each medium, but desu i would prefer using films≈text or ≠, and my original post was bait-but-i-srsly-think-it-could-bee-truu

>> No.14908443

>>14908414
uh what are choose your own adventure books you fucking retard

>> No.14908477

>>14905652
Music > Books > poetry > Film/animation > video games > getting AIDS > Thermonuclear warfare > comic books

>> No.14908481

>>14908439
>you can fathom a film jump cutting into a chunk of text that is contextually relavant and compositionally significant
But that text doesn’t belong to a purely textual context. This meaning that it wont replicate the aesthetic and creative qualities and techniques of text in a purely literary context. Same for music and image. Art forms like film and vidya dont have more “creative potential” because there resulting aesthetic experiences are qualitatively distinct. Reading a book and watching a movie are distinct experiences that activate different aesthetic sensibilities. Music made for listening can be more complex and subtle, while music made for films are usually simplistic and made to convey a “mood”. Have you ever tried listening to an Opera? It will never compare to either watching it or listening to a symphony instead. You can have complex music in a film, but you won’t pick up on it or enjoy it as you would as a isolated piece. It’s why film and vidya music is so simple and frankly, boring.

>> No.14908490

>>14908443
Obviously and taxonomically not novels.

>> No.14908515
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>>14905652
Music>Books>Plays>>>>>>Video Games>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Film

>> No.14909800

>>14908481
i don't see how they aren't valid forms of "textual art" as picture books, or even a novel with an illustration or two

>>14908393
the point being was that as a medium, video games arguably contain more expressive potential than anything else (asides from perhaps performance art? (wowiez!)), but yeah yes.

>>14908481
>are distinct experiences...
yes
>...that activate different aesthetic sensibilities
what does this even mean? are you saying that a feeling invoked by film and text are different? not to say that that's entirely impossible, but i do not see that as a claim that can be made without justification.

>music made for films are usually simplistic
people listen to ambient music as well; there are canon classical works used in film (and just because they weren't /made for/ the movie doesn't make it any less part of the film)

>Have you ever tried listening to an Opera? It will never compare to either watching it or listening to a symphony instead.
thats because you are removing the visual aspect of the work, making it not complete. i dont see how this relates to anything you are arguing for.

>You can have complex music in a film, but you won’t pick up on it or enjoy it as you would as a isolated piece
complexity ≠ good; and in any case i don't think this claim is completely true though there is cause for concern.

>It’s why film and vidya music is so simple and frankly, boring.
it being the case in current observation doesn't mean it always will

>> No.14909808

>>14905652
Painting>Books>Film>Theatre>Music

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>>14905652
Gesamtkunstwerk>Literature/Plastic art>Music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"film"

>> No.14909881

Poetry and short stories are the only fiction worth reading. The best novel ever written is like an 7.5/10 at best. There is literally no reason on earth to take longer than 50 pages to tell a story.

>> No.14909885

>>14905772
Correct.

>> No.14909893

>>14907355
The culinary “arts” are borderline subhuman.