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[Anonymous No.14899807]

I'm genuinely hung up on this. Why wasn't God's covenant just with gentiles and all humans to begin with rather than just having it be with the Israelites before?

[Anonymous No.14899815]

>>14899807
irrelevant

[Anonymous No.14899827]

>>14899815
How?

[Anonymous No.14899833]

>>14899827
do you need to know the answer? Don’t you know, that even if you found a satisfying explanation, that there are thousands of questions you could ask after that? But most of those questions are irrelevant, because knowing or not knowing the answer won’t change anything.

[Anonymous No.14899844]

I don't think the ancient Israelites were thinking that far ahead when they were writing their myths.

[Anonymous No.14899878]

>>14899807
Because the Jews just wanted an excuse to invade other people, so they made it up that God chose them to rule over the rest

[Anonymous No.14899888]

>>14899878
Too bad you've been worshiping one for over a 1000 years and indirectly empowering them.

[Anonymous No.14899898]

>>14899807
This is one of the problems I see as well, and all I've heard is "just readeth job brother"

[Anonymous No.14899904]

>>14899807
This is one reason, out of many, that Zoroastrianism makes more sense. The foundational text is the Gathas.

[Anonymous No.14899914]

>>14899807
Jesus fulfilled several Messianic prophecies from the Old Testament. This gave him legitimacy. Also, the entire point is that the savior of humanity was born in a remote corner in an insignificant desert region under occupation by a foreign enemy, yet still redeemed all of humanity. The Christian god being weak and all, yet all powerful. Even the Romans themselves were mocking Christ for this. It's not hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.14899924]

Another problem I see is when Jesus told the disciples to go and preach to the whole world. I just think "surely God knew that the disciples wouldn't be able to reach everyone" why didn't he send angels to assist?

[Anonymous No.14899932]

It's emphasizing the agency on God's part. Many Christians want to make the new testament about individuals personally choosing Jesus, but from the perspectives of both the Jewish scriptures and the new testament, the emphasis is on God choosing people first. Setting those he chooses apart and showing them the meaning of holiness.

[Anonymous No.14899948]

All Abrahamic religions are filth. Trying to discuss the holes and errors in their thinking is a waste of time. They are better served dying.

[Anonymous No.14899988]

>>14899827
The gentiles were given over to a reprobate mind, following their fleshly whims and went wherever their sensual appetites led them. The Church Fathers made it clear. God did not abandon them. They abandoned God.

[Anonymous No.14899999]

Yahweh was originally the Kenite storm god. The Israelites got converted in Sinai work camps.

[Anonymous No.14900010]

>>14899999
Digits prove it's true with Five Nines accuracy.

[Anonymous No.14900073]

>>14899807
So that God could become man and open it to all people. One of the functions of Christ

[Anonymous No.14900102]

>>14900073
My question though is why wasn't it open to all people to begin with?

[Anonymous No.14900106]

>>14900102
Because there are other gods that people worship.

[Anonymous No.14900258]

>>14899807
God reveals himself according to the capacities of humans. So of course with this self-centered nation that thinks it's the best and chosen (haha what group of humans do not think that they are the best?) is only going to be isolated in it's tiny little part of the world until something better burst forth from it. But a better question is: what can come of you and God?

[Anonymous No.14900273]

>>14900106
people were still worshiping other God's when Christ was around.

[Anonymous No.14900425]

>>14899948
Why though?

[Anonymous No.14901114]

>>14899807
It didn't begin with the Jew. It began with Adam and his decendents right up to Abraham which is why the Jew are chosen and not because of some inherent quality they possess. The Jew is chosen because of Abraham. This does not mean that the Jew has obeyed this covenant. The land of Israel is the actual covenant and God felt that since the Israelites were disobedient, he permitted the Israelites to come under the whip of the Roman Empire.

[Anonymous No.14901168]

>>14899807
Read some biblical literary criticism or at least listen to some YT videos ffs.
Because Yahweh started as a tribal god, with each tribe and city state having their own, there is evidence of this in the bible itself. Then in the Babylonian captivity and after, in the Persian, the priests caught the concept of a creator deity from the Babylonians and a supreme god from the Persians and they identified their Yahweh with that. Then came the Greeks and Romans and some Jewish apocalyptic cults started being created that preached the end of the world. Jesus cult was one of these and after it got rejected by Jews they turned over to gentiles. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.14901268]

It was but all the humans broke it see Adam and Eve

[Anonymous No.14901301]

>>14899807
The Covenant was that a group of people who were shitty and hated by everyone would bring forth the Messiah. Literally one useful thing.

[Anonymous No.14901408]

>>14899807
it was, they were given the noahide covenant.

[Anonymous No.14901412]

>>14901408
>Noahide covenant
Shalom rabbi

[Anonymous No.14901417]

According to the Bible the Gentiles were excused in spite of their actions. God gave them rain and shit even though they prayed to some other deity. So to say.
Then again that's exactly what a false God would say...

>15 Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying: 16 “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you! 17 But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. 18 But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.”

[Anonymous No.14901462]

My first thought, considering that God is the author of history, is that it would not have been a very good story.

[Anonymous No.14901464]

>>14901408
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[Anonymous No.14901521]

>>14899914
This is the only legit answer in this thread and it's telling it has zero replies. Most of 4chans "critique" of Christianity reveals a deep lack of theological understanding.

[Anonymous No.14901543]

Because Christianity has Jewish roots, and always will have. No matter how you twist and turn it, the fact remains that Christianity is build on top of Judaism. It’s fundamentally a foreign religion, and always will be

[Anonymous No.14901550]

>>14899833
If you don't take an interest in the Jews the Jews will take an interest in you

[Anonymous No.14901553]

>>14899999
Five same nubers!!

[Anonymous No.14901557]

>>14901521
the Levant is pretty close to Europe though

[Anonymous No.14901560]

>>14901557
As is North Africa

[Anonymous No.14901564]

>>14901417
>queen of heaven
That’s Asherah, literally the wife of Yahweh before the Monotheistic reform
> Asherah, formerly the wife of El, was worshipped as Yahweh's consort[70] or mother;[71] potsherds discovered at Khirbet el-Kôm and Kuntillet Ajrûd make reference to "Yahweh and his Asherah",[72][73] and various biblical passages indicate that her statues were kept in his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria.[74][75] Yahweh may also have appropriated Anat, the wife of Baal, as his consort, as Anat-Yahu ("Anat of Yahu", i.e., Yahweh) is mentioned in 5th century BCE records from the Jewish colony at Elephantine in Egypt.[76] A goddess called the Queen of Heaven was also worshipped, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar,[74] possibly a title of Asherah.[77] Worship of Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period of Israel's history, but they were considered irreconcilable after the 9th century BCE, following the efforts of King Ahab and his queen Jezebel to elevate Baal to the status of national god,[78] although the cult of Baal did continue for some time.[79]

[Anonymous No.14901569]

So the god of Christards and J*ws looks like THIS??
>shiiiiiiiieeeeeeeet

[Anonymous No.14901572]

I've heard a Jewish tale that God went to every man on Earth but only Abraham accepted him in the end so that's why Abraham and his descendants were given the covenant. Even then God was never only for the Israelites and even in the Old Testament there's instances of God asking for foreign groups to be converted.

[Anonymous No.14901579]

>>14901408
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[Anonymous No.14901582]

>>14901572
I too have heard this tale

[Anonymous No.14901590]

>>14899807
because christianity was a failed revolutionary movement that, despite originating among the jews, had fundamentally nothing to do with judaism and was only retroactively fitted together with jewish prophecy to produce a roman religious institution. what you are reacting to is simply one of the many side effects of that awkward coupling.

[Anonymous No.14901607]

>>14899999
>Kenite
I thought it was Edom?

[Anonymous No.14901651]

>>14901579
Shut up Jew

[Anonymous No.14902538]

Something holy needs a holy vessel. A holy child needs a holy people to come from.

[Anonymous No.14902551]

>>14902538
So why the J*ws then?

[Anonymous No.14902573]

>>14899888
Checked and dialectic-pilled

[Anonymous No.14902575]

>>14902551
(Not him)
Why not pick the most annoying, lowest, most hated people just for shits and giggles? Like playing on hard mode

[Anonymous No.14902650]

>>14902575
>Like playing on hard mode
Intredesting it would be a sort of a miracle in itself for anything good to come from the J*ws

[Anonymous No.14902676]

>>14902650
I'm a /pol/ack, you're preaching to the choir

[Anonymous No.14902708]

>>14902676
>I'm a /pol/ack
I could tell

[Anonymous No.14902740]

>>14899807
God's first relationship in relation to humanity is with Adam and Eve, they were not Jews.

God choosing Jews says something about Him just as it says about them. Remember, the founding myth of Jews and the Exodus story is that they were slaves under oppression. This seems vastly different to other civilization founding myths that are full of glory. That God picked a remote tribe that was not doing so well in a desert, says something about what is important to him. Obviously this something is radically different than civilizational, human glory.

Furthermore, God interacted with individuals such as Noe, Abraham etc. who believed in Him and therefore their descendants were of importance in God's eyes.

Nevertheless, God is the author of whole humanity, so his covenant is with all from eternity in that sense. Today, you still have priests and others who serve a particular function in God's society on Earth and it seems the Jews were intended for such a function at a certain point in time as well.

[Anonymous No.14902759]

>>14902740
>the founding myth of Jews and the Exodus story is that they were slaves under oppression. This seems vastly different to other civilization founding myths that are full of glory.
That’s the origin of slave morality.

[Anonymous No.14902765]

>>14902759
>That’s the origin of slave morality.
And thus of Christianity, liberalism, Marxism and every other form of Judaism

[Anonymous No.14902780]

>>14902759
Yes, it seems peculiar that God's verdict was to choose slaves over Nietzsche's masters.

[Anonymous No.14902787]

>>14901521
Most "critiques" of Christianity on 4chan at this point are just concern trolling.

[Anonymous No.14902796]

>>14901564
The entire Old Testament:
>Sometimes the Hebrews worshiped other gods, such as Asherah.
Retards:
>We found evidence that the Hebrews worshiped other gods, like Asherah! Jehovacucks btfo.

[Anonymous No.14902806]

>>14901114
>not because of some inherent quality they possess
>90% of the prophets were jewish
pick one
also if your theory is true then arabs should also be chosen because they're also a seed of abraham.

[Anonymous No.14902828]

>>14902796
this, it's becoming pathetic. Elijah literally has an entire scene BTFOing cultists.

Retards:
>YHWH isn't even the *only* God Hebrews worshipped, checkmate

[Anonymous No.14902874]

The canon answer is that he did, it's the Noahide Laws, and some races of gentiles remembered more of them than others. Christ came, and all of that was ditched. Why SPECIFICALLY the Jews? Read Job, Yahweh doesn't have to answer to you, Goy.

The actual answer of course is that Christianity is a weird apocalyptic sect that got radically popular when Greeks and Semites realized that they could use it as a vehicle to support anti-Roman ideology, which leaves it full of holes that have been picked apart over its two millennia lifepsan.

[Anonymous No.14902922]

>>14900425
Erroneous metaphisical conception of nature and its causes that finds justification through theology, psyop tools to gain power and control over weak-minded populations, castration and subordination of rational and even "spiritual" thinking.

[Anonymous No.14902941]

>>14902874
Winner winner chicken dinner
Of course I had said practically >>14901168
the same thing at

[Anonymous No.14902944]

>>14902922
Do you even know what christian metaphysics is and how close to the egyptian-platonic one it is?
>subordination of rational thinking
Yes! Like any genuine metaphysical tradition.
>psyop to gain power and control!!
go on and show me how this is couldn’t be applied to any other belief

[Anonymous No.14902967]

>>14902944
Neoplatonists be like
>yeah the Greeks were totally thinking like Christians bro !1

[Anonymous No.14902988]

>>14902967
>yeah the Greeks were totally thinking like Christians bro !1
No actually Christians based a substantial part of their theology on Neoplatonism

[Anonymous No.14903087]

>>14902988
>based a substantial part of their theology
But Christian theology is a revelation, not a rationalistic philosophy one can meditate oneself into knowing in isolation.

[Anonymous No.14903100]

>>14903087
>Christian theology is a revelation
Whatever helps you sleep at night friendo. Sure the absurd parts such as talking snakes, donkeys, virgin births and 3 = 1 are “revelations” (namely human inventions), but the rational part is taken from Greek philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14903131]

>>14901168
The problem remains though that while most disciples (aside from John) abandoned Jesus during and the events immediately preceding crucifixion. St. Peter and others seem to in NT not to fully understand Jesus' teaching and Judas probably thinks it is strictly political in nature. In light of this it doesn't make sense that they all AFTER Jesus' death and the alleged resurrection went on to preach his teaching and died in martyrdom. This is strong evidence that Jesus' resurrection was a real event.

[Anonymous No.14903137]

>>14903100
>talking snakes, donkeys, virgin births
Are you perchance a bugman who denies the possibility of these events?
>3 = 1
Only if you assume a rationalistic pagan understanding of logic. Even by your reasoning, such "absurdities" should not be a rational philosophy but something revealed from above because of how "unintuitive" it is to the degenerated pagan mind.

[Anonymous No.14903149]

>>14899833
your brain on abrahamic faith

[Anonymous No.14903164]

>>14903137
Given that you're LARPing as a theologian (you haven't read anything on this and it shows), please explain the Trinity.

[Anonymous No.14903168]

>>14899833
>>14903149
More like your brain on protestantism.
>Don't ask questions! Who needs theology? Sola Scriptura! Sola Scriptura! Sola Scriptura!

[Anonymous No.14903171]

>>14901168
>Read some biblical literary criticism
>Because Yahweh started as a tribal god

[Anonymous No.14903178]

>>14903131
You’re assuming that the final redaction of the gospels are historical fact. The gospels don’t even agree among themselves and passages found in later manuscripts are not found in earlier manuscripts, namely they have been inserted. For example Jesus never claims to be god in the earliest manuscripts. He only preached about the kingdom of god. He was probably a charismatic apocalyptic teacher. Deification came much later. This is all discussed by Bart Ehrman.
>spread Jesus teaching
We don’t know what that is. See above.
>muh resurrection
You forget that there was a plurality Of Jesus cults and Jesus beliefs, some of which didn’t include the resurrection or even the crucifixion. Ex: Gnostics. That belief was only canonized and the others repressed much later after the fact.
>but muh heresy is not rull and muh orthodoxy is rull
Kys christard

[Anonymous No.14903183]

>>14899807
To make it short OP: Matthew 9:12.

[Anonymous No.14903184]

>>14903137
>revealed from above
Not I don’t it’s revealed from above. I think it’s just pure nonsense.

[Anonymous No.14903190]

God is a nigger. Prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.14903193]

>>14903164
>please explain the Trinity
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[Anonymous No.14903197]

>>14903178
>Bart Ehrman
OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.14903198]

>>14903193
>I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[Anonymous No.14903206]

>>14903193
>I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[Anonymous No.14903207]

>>14903197
>OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.14903218]

>>14903198
>>14903207
>iphone

[Anonymous No.14903246]

>>14903193
>I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[Anonymous No.14903271]

>>14903178
NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T KNOW ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ALTERED WRITINGS OF THE SAME THING, BUT YES I BELIEVE IN ALL THESE OTHER HISTORICAL FACTS WHO ARE WAY LESS ATTESTED TO

[Anonymous No.14903277]

>>14903193
I asked you to explain it, fag.

[Anonymous No.14903295]

>>14903277
He just did? The Holy Trinity is three distinct persons who are all consubstantial with each other, as in all share in one Divine Essence. The Father is the sole cause of the other persons, the Son is begotten by Him and the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him.

[Anonymous No.14903301]

>>14903277
God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are each three faces of the same entity. What's so hard about this that you LARPfagans can't understand it?

[Anonymous No.14903302]

>>14903271
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T KNOW ANYTHING
But you can know for sure that a degenerate secular apostate (((scholar))) who totally has no emotional alterior motives has the Truth bro!!!

[Anonymous No.14903321]

>ask Christfags about the trinity
>they re-create ancient heresies punishable by death
lmfao fucking larpers, read a book

>>14903295
This is Monarchianism.

>>14903301
This is Monarchical Modalism.

[Anonymous No.14903348]

So far nobody has refuted this claim based on divine revelation yet >>14903190

[Anonymous No.14903354]

>>14903321
>Monarchianism is a Christian theology that emphasizes God as one,in direct contrast to Trinitarianism which defines God as three persons coexisting consubstantially as one in being.
>in direct contrast to Trinitarianism which defines God as three persons coexisting consubstantially as one in being
>The Holy Trinity is three distinct persons who are all consubstantial with each other
>monarchianism
what did he mean by this? why are pagans so braindead?

[Anonymous No.14903363]

>>14899844
Basically this

[Anonymous No.14903368]

>>14903218
>>14903302
>

[Anonymous No.14903377]

I got a divine revelation that god is Bill Cosby. Refute that with rational arguments. Pro tip: divine revelation is above reason so everything you say is invalid

[Anonymous No.14903400]

>>14903377
Double dubs of truth

[Anonymous No.14903404]

>>14899807
Because it was originally an ethnic religion that got subverted by Jesus/Paul.

Not a fan of Jews just as any just man is but Jesus was clearly a subversive.

[Anonymous No.14903463]

Something about the people of the past not being worthy of his message. I don't know could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.14903691]

>>14899807

The Old Covenant provides context for the New, its purpose is not to be universal. Besides, God does make other Covenants with the whole of mankind, e.g., the Noahic one.

[Anonymous No.14903793]

>>14903404
Both Jesus and Paul were both of ethnic jews, you retard.

[Anonymous No.14903814]

>>14903793
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14903836]

>>14903404
Christ established this ethnic religion in the first place. How could he "subvert" it when he owns it?

[Anonymous No.14903964]

>>14903836
>if you first accept Jesus is literally god then how can do bad thing

[Anonymous No.14905087]

>>14899807
Fundamentally, faith/ideology was monotheistic at the start. People moved from worshiping the Lord, to worshiping various false deities and spirits. The Lord chose Abraham to establish His Covenant with, and Abraham proved his faith in Genesis 22:5 by saying "WE will come back to you." Essentially, Abraham proved that even before the immense walk to sacrifice Isaac, he believed the Lord would deliver.
Unlike Abraham, however, the gentiles had fallen away from calling upon the name of the Lord (see Amos). The Hebrews, which are the "non-gentiles," came from Abraham's line. This is in contrast to a large group of people separated from gentiles.

[Anonymous No.14905109]

>>14905087
Didn't mean to post.
...separated from the gentiles. Abraham's faith was known and proven, and thus his descendants promised in Genesis 12 were separate. The Lord made a nation for Himself, specifically to display His glory before the other nations. This was His intention in the Creation, to create begins in His image that would multiply across the Earth. This was His intention in destroying Egypt. This was His intention in conquering death with the Logos being incarnated as Christ. All of God's plan serve to show His infinite glory and goodness.
The Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants have been superseded by the New Covenant through Christ, and like the covenants of the Old Testament, the New Covenant was established through bloodshed.

[Anonymous No.14905117]

>>14899914
The metanarrative connecting the Old Testament and New Testament is immense, and almost all of 4chan's critiques of Christianity tend to miss this. Matthew and Hebrews highlight this critical connection, and it's amplified once you've actually read the Old Testament. It's quite fun.

[Anonymous No.14905123]

>>14901408
>noahide
you mean Noahic

[Anonymous No.14905132]

>>14902650
>>14902575
See the stoning of Stephan in Acts. Read his speech, where he lambastes the Sanhedrin and the Jews for their stiff necks. Many of the Pauline Epistles also speak against Judaizers in the Early Church.

[Anonymous No.14905870]

>>14903793
Therefore innately liars

[Anonymous No.14905897]

one of the reasons is that israelites were the first people that was conscious of its own history while the rest of the world had cyclical cosmovisions

[Anonymous No.14905913]

>>14905897
Iranian people had progressive time before the jews

[Anonymous No.14906021]

>>14905913
>Iranian
That's just a variant of jew

[Anonymous No.14906067]

>>14901408
>the rest of humanity were given a covenant that, conventiently, no one other than the jews remembered
yeah, sure

[Anonymous No.14906083]

>>14906021
Iranic culture came from the steppes, not Levant.

[Anonymous No.14906087]

>>14906083
steppes and central asia*

[Anonymous No.14906117]

>>14901408

[Anonymous No.14906600]

>>14899807
Probably God needed a bunch of puritans to show their folly.

[Anonymous No.14907458]

I read the latter of devine ascent and it finally made me disavow christianity. I already struggled with having genuine faith and not seeing it as some worldly tool. I still tried to rationlize it to make interpretations that are paganized and palatable to the spirt and material world, but reading this convinced me the most cucked interpretation of christianity is always the correct one.

[Anonymous No.14907472]

>>14903354
That is literally what you just said here >>14903295, however. You denied the hypostasis, denying the threefold personhood of God. That is the literal definition of Monarchianism.

Pride is a sin, anon. Do some reading, it's cleae you have no idea what you're talking about. I'll be praying for you.

[Anonymous No.14907784]

>>14900425
It's FALSE.

[Anonymous No.14907983]

If you read the Quran and Islamic theology it all makes a lot more sense. God sent down multiple prophets to each group of people. Isa wasn't even particularly a prophet for the Jews, since he hung out around mostly Greeks and the miracles he performed were related to medicine, which was the art most highly valued by the Greeks. Every people has been deceived somewhat or interpreted differently their prophets and the style of worship, and even certain noble pagans and polytheists could potentially have been prophets (Socrates in particular seems a likely candidate).

Maybe the Jews as a people have a special covenant with G., but they're required a lot more in return: ritual circumcision, certain dietary laws, several thousands of years of persecution, etc. and even then that doesn't mean they're guaranteed a place in heaven, it just means that G-d made a pact with their people way back in the start of history.

[Anonymous No.14908111]

>>14907983
Just because it makes logical sense doesn't mean it's not fucking stupid. Double Predestination is the stupidest theological belief out there, and it's fucking orthodoxy punishable by death in Islam (LMFAO).

[Anonymous No.14908167]

Religious mental gymnastics are pretty fun

[Anonymous No.14908347]

>>14907983
>islam
>makes sense
Not speaking about the bullshit amount of theological inconsistencies in the quran, islams's history of appeasing and then oppressing other religions, not talking about what a fugging degenerate faggot muhamad was, here's my take on your bullshit.
>God sent down multiple prophets to each group of people
Concerning Jews, neither one of their prophets bar Moses actually taught anything about how to live. Prophets were fore bearers of consequences of what will happen if the Jews won't follow the already established law.
>Isa wasn't even particularly a prophet for the Jews, since he hung out around mostly Greeks and the miracles he performed were related to medicine
This is complete nonsense. Since when was ancient Jerusalem and Judea parts of Greece in an ethnic sense? And the Greeks never valued medicine more than any other culture and even if the two claims were true, Jesus did not "heal" people in a traditional sense and for traditional reasons, but His whole missions was to usher in the coming Kingdom of God and establishing what a prophet in the most muslim sense does.
>even certain noble pagans and polytheists could potentially have been prophets
Yet hardly any ever claimed to have been face to face with God, being commanded to do anything out of a divine moral imperative. This is just islamic favoritism and nitpicking for their own appeasement cause.
>Maybe the Jews
Since the very first, God told Moses who told the jews that they will not follow the law, that they will fuck up and that God will punish them for inequity. The New testament speaks about this that the OT law was impossible to follow because the Jews had long lost the meaning of it and had turned it into legalistic bullshit. Or as Jesus called them plants that can't produce any fruit.

It really pisses me off when this layman islamic bullshit gets spread around as making any sense at all.Here's one more fact about islamic prophecy and muhamad.
Early on in his preaching career muhamad has a saying that if he were to ever lie, the let God tear his heart out.
Year later, after being poisoned and living in agony for years, one of muhamads final words was that his heart is in physical pain and modern scholars believe he died from a ruptured aorta.
Guess shit happens when you're an illiterate desert bandit who preaches idiotic laws like drinking camel piss for health and making out with little boys out of respect as objective moral truth, all after your own forest parents, and even yourself, believe that satan had possessed you at certain times.

[Anonymous No.14908377]

>>14907983
>Islamic theology
Funniest meme since 'Mexican intellectual'.

[Anonymous No.14908386]

>>14899807
>Why wasn't God's covenant just with gentiles and all humans to begin with
The twist: it actually was, in the beginning. What happened next you can read in the first chapters of Genesis.

[Anonymous No.14908407]

>>14899807
>I'm genuinely hung

[Anonymous No.14908529]

>>14908377
The newmuslimacademy guys at least actually make threads that are about Islam, the larpagans make bad-faith concern-troll threads ("I'm so confused about...").

Actually, if you're reading this, please make a thread about how Mohammed abolished trad bedovin polytheism in favor of the Abrahamitic Kike God Yahweh, would at least be new.

[Anonymous No.14908848]

>>14908347
>And the Greeks never valued medicine more than any other culture
They were renowned throughout the ancient world for their skill in medicine. You can consult primary sources for this, The Twelve Caesars in particular mentions it several times.
Read an actual book sometime instead of arguing in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.14908966]

>>14899807
>anthropological mechanism built entirely on tribalism
>"why doesn't it include everyone?"
read more

[Anonymous No.14909325]

>>14907472
>You denied the hypostasis
Are you braindead? 'person' is most often used to mean 'hypostasis'.
>denying the threefold personhood of God
>The Holy Trinity is three distinct persons
???
>Pride is a sin, anon.
False pietism is a sin, anon.

[Anonymous No.14909343]

>>14902944
>how close to the egyptian-platonic one it is
Not close at all, assuming you mean actual Christian metaphysics and not Judeo-Islamic Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.14909424]

>>14909343
I don't know what you mean by ''Judeo-Islamic Catholicism'', but yeah, egyptian-platonic metaphysics is very similar to christian metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.14909452]

>>14908848
The most renowned geometers were Greek too, hence the reason Jesus performed so many geometry-related miracles.

[Anonymous No.14909467]

>>14909452
Nigga Jesus was a carpenter. He mastered the Elements of Euclid when he was 12. He would often recite theorems by heart. Also: the cross. Hello? Pure geometry there.

[Anonymous No.14909482]

>>14909467
>He mastered the Elements of Euclid when he was 12. He would often recite theorems by heart.
Source: dude trust me

[Anonymous No.14909498]

>>14907983
>Islamic theology
Is there genuine Islamic theology with more depth than "Allah has literal hands bro, they're just not like ours".

[Anonymous No.14909528]

>>14909482
Do you think you can create the universe without geometry?

[Anonymous No.14909535]

>>14909528
read some basic theology and try again

[Anonymous No.14909586]

>>14909535
Christ created geometry, brother. Do you think he would not know about it?

[Anonymous No.14909632]

>>14909535
Nigga Jesus invented geometry. What the hell is wrong with you??

[Anonymous No.14909647]

>>14909586
>>14909632
Read your post again.
>Do you think you can create the universe without geometry?
You're implying that anything at all was necessary to create the universe, when in fact it was created ex nihilo without the need of exterior elements, principles, or powers, as the power of God is wholly sufficient.
In addition your comment about Christ reciting the Elements of Euclid is not backed by scripture or tradition.

[Anonymous No.14909675]

>>14909647
>But thou hast arranged all things by measure and number and weight. (Wisdom 11:20)]
Uh-oh!

[Anonymous No.14909684]

>>14909675
My point when right over your head.

[Anonymous No.14909689]

>>14909675
Oh no no no! BTFO!

[Anonymous No.14909701]

>>14909675
Damnnnnnnnnn

[Anonymous No.14909713]

>>14909675

[Anonymous No.14909722]

>>14909675
Holy...based...

[Anonymous No.14910057]

>>14909675
cringe

[Anonymous No.14910067]

>>14910057
cringe