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This book is kicking my ass. I feel like there are so many deeper meanings I am missing in the dialogues. What are some essential commentaries I can read to help me understand?

>> No.14893214

>>14893202
He was a gay cuck

>> No.14893215

>>14893202
>my diary desu

>> No.14893218

>>14893202
19th ce German philologists are unbeaten in their observations

>> No.14893223

>>14893202
I think starting with the Romans could help.
Read Epictetus and Boethius. After that, go back to Plato.

>> No.14893228

I don’t get why this is required reading for philosophy. Socrates would be a joke if he lived in modern times.
>bro this uneducated slave boy was able to answer some geometrical questions therefore the soul is immortal
Total balderdash. The only reason I’m trudging through this rigmarole is on the hope that something good will come of it eventually. But Socrates seems only to be an arrogant retard who consistently makes retarded arguments. I can see how he is symbolically important in the sense that he represents “what philosophy is supposed to be about” with his open dialogue and questioning of everything. But as a philosopher he is utterly garbage.

>> No.14893274

>>14893228
Plato is probably too deep for you.
You should stick with Sam Harris and Bertrand Russell

>> No.14893384

>>14893274
>t. sodomite cuckold
Dude what if there was a magic cave where we could fuck boys while other men fucked our wives lmao

>> No.14893394

>>14893202
matthew raphael johnson has the best philosophy commentary out there

>> No.14893420

>>14893202
the point is not to "get" it all in one read. secondary sources are useful of course but you should also reread these dialogues from time to time

>> No.14893424

Do you think scholars ignore the original Greek when trying to interpret its meaning?

>> No.14893427
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14893427

Anonymous Prolegomena to Platonic Philosophy
Alcinous Handbook of Platonism
'Plato and Other Platonists' by Gerson
Olympiodorus' Commentary on the First Alcibiades; and his Phaedo
Anonymous Commentary on the Parmenides
Proclus Essays on Republic
Proclus Commentary on Cratylus
Damascius' Commentary on Phaedo; and Philebus
Proclus' Timaeus
Proclus Parmenides (good luck)
Damascius Parmenides (now you have to learn french of greek)
You can find some of these from the Prometheus Trust

>> No.14893513

>>14893202
Nah u arent missing anything its boring as hell

>> No.14893550

Neoplatonists like Probluc and Ficino have extensive and rich commentaries on Plato's works.

>> No.14893554

>>14893550
Proclus***

>> No.14893573

plato was a proto christcuck. there's not much rattling inside that tin can

>> No.14893707

>>14893202
werner jaeger

>> No.14893713

>>14893202

leo strauss, seth benardete, ficino, al farabi

>> No.14893755

>>14893202
I really like going through Pierre Grimes videos on YouTube after reading one of plato's dialogues.
Always leave with a little something extra. His teaching is based upon Socrates and even aligns himself with philosophic midwifery.
Try looking up one of his discussions of a dialogue like lysis. It is not dry, shallow, and you will leave wanting to learn more. Like the opposite of Sadler.

>> No.14893764

>>14893228
Nigger you do know why. You just explained it. Faggot

>> No.14893787

>>14893202
Stanley Rosen

>> No.14893901

>>14893787
He has a new commentary coming out. Rip

>> No.14893903

>>14893202

Not an in-depth commentary, but the first chapter of Erich Auerbach's Dante: Poet of the Secular World has some very interesting things to say about Plato.

>In the dialogue form that he created there is, strictly speaking ... no dramatic situation... in the quiet movement of the dialogue, men of all ages pass before the judgment seat of truth, constrained ... to lay bare their willingness, devotion, resolution. Here the soul must prove its courage and nobility, its inherent truth, as the body must prove its strength and skill in an athletic contest ... to be weighed in scales of the utmost precision...

There are only 10-15 pages worth of remarks, but they're very thought-provoking.

>> No.14894197

is this hackett trans the best?

>> No.14894243

>>14893218
like who

>> No.14894267

>>14893427
They are different developments in Platonism, they don't always interpret him correctly and very often are just not Plato's philosophy which loses its depth in the array of literal extrapolation- it's Platonism.