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Are there any books that praises modernity instead of criticizing it?

>> No.14866259

>>14866250
How's Paul wrong?

>> No.14866386

Ulysses
Enlightenment Now

>> No.14866433

>>14866250

Talmud

>> No.14866445

>>14866250
>being a dentist means you cannot fantasize about an honorable death
At first i thought it was cringe. But it's based, consciously or not, because fuck dentists. They don't deserve good things.

>> No.14866454

>>14866445
Did someone get a cavity?

>> No.14866457

>>14866250
The Complete Book of the Average Life Expectancy of Man

>> No.14866735

>>14866250
Steve Pinker but his books are kinda lame

>> No.14866851

>>14866250
paul krugman, pretty much any techno utopian

>> No.14866896

>>14866250
Modernity is a euphemism for domestication. Ask a dog if he enjoys his status, he will nod, as his existence is inherently to his status. Ask a bugman the same question and you will get the same answer.

>> No.14866914

>>14866259
He’s a dentist.

A dentist who’d rather die killing people than to pass peacefully of a flu

>> No.14866932

>>14866259
Because being stabbed and bleeding to death is a horrible way to go. Imagine coughing up and shitting yourself as you slowly and painfully lose consciousness

>> No.14867188

>>14866932
He said he'd rather die that way, not that it's the most pleasurable way to go you good-feel obsessed souless hedonist

>> No.14867204

>>14866250
Nah

one thing though: criticisms of it are often modernistic, misrepresenting what was or could be is modern. these sorts wouldn't actually like or be suited to a pre or postmodern world because they cant understand it.

>> No.14867556

>>14866259
Why doesn't he just join the army?

>> No.14867608

>>14866250
who tf is this guy and why is he getting ratio'd so hard

>> No.14867905

>>14866932
Imagine feeling as if your death was meaningless, or worse, that in dying you spread this microscopic virus to others and caused them to die meaningless deaths as well.

Now compare that to spending every ounce of your life trying to defend something greater than yourself. That your death had a purpose, a purpose that will outlive you.

A few seconds of the agony of a blade seems trivial in comparison. Especially because you could say days of sickness may actually be less enjoyable.

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>>14866250

>> No.14867943

>>14867608
Republican senator who self-quarantined after interacting with a person who was later hospitalized for COVID-19
He's getting ratioed by a horde of bourgeois liberals who hate sincerity

>> No.14867995

>>14866932
On the other hand you might feel pretty based and proud of yourself for dying in the right way.

Some soldiers have written favourable of their experiences in battle. There was a German that wrote of the glory of combat following the First World War and I dont remember his name. He fared pretty badly; had his lungs fill up with blood, but he still saw it as having been spiritually and emotionally good for him.

>> No.14867996

>>14867556
The contemporary US military is such that in 2020 even if you enlist in the infantry with the sole intention of seeing combat you probably never will.

>> No.14868006

>>14867905
"Purpose".

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

>> No.14868008

>>14867995
see>>14868006

>> No.14868058

>>14867995
Junger

>> No.14868088

and parker molloy is a repulsive dyke. dentists at least have value

>> No.14868094

>>14868006
>>14868008
I said *some* soldiers. Obviously, individual experiences varied dramatically; the very negative view may even have predominated.

A lot might depend on the culture you grow up in. German soldiers after WW1 seem to have been highly militaristic, still, rather than turning into war-weary pacifists the way the 'war poet' view of war as pure horror implies they should have done.

>> No.14868095

>>14868088
lmao, a disgusting tranny. even better

>> No.14868110

>>14866932
>Imagine coughing up and shitting yourself as you slowly and painfully lose consciousness
sounds more like what happens in a retirement home

>> No.14868487

>>14866914
You don't know what you're talking about. You do not die peacefully from most illnesses. This is a fiction told to families of the deceased to make them feel better but in actuality most deaths are pretty similar.

t. ICU nurse

>> No.14868523

>>14867943
Lmao. Gosar is my senator. One of the most retarded senators I've ever had. May even be one of the least intelligent Republicans in the Senate.

>> No.14868561

>>14866250
Pinkerton, I think.

>> No.14868620

>>14868523
cringe. you will die in a hospital bed being tended to by apathetic middle-aged black women

>> No.14868693

>>14868620
not apathetic, but actual sociopaths

>> No.14868718

>>14868006
>>14868008
Absolutely gay. No sense of aesthetic. Might as well hook yourself up to an IV and overdose on some good stuff if you have no respect for the story.

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>>14868006
*blocks your path*

>> No.14868773

>>14868006
Way better to succumb to some invisible disease, withered, then to die fighting at the peak of your strength for honor.

I do not believe in senseless combat or chasing false glory. But if we were to rank ways to die, succumbing to some virus is pretty low on my choices. What if you died fighting a murderer who broke into your house? What if your death saved your children's lives? That's what we're comparing.

>> No.14868783

>>14867995
Ernst Jünger. Book is called "Kampf als Inneres Erlebnis". But the philosophy of the Krieger is also implemented in his books Stahlgewitter, Wäldchen 125 and Feuer und Blut.

>> No.14868790

>>14868718
>no respect for the story
Wdym by this? What story?

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>>14866250
Golden Age of Science Fiction

>> No.14869188

>>14866914
stop posting

>> No.14869193

>>14866250
nobody likes modernity because it's a step

>> No.14869207

>>14866932
>Imagine coughing up and shitting yourself as you slowly and painfully lose conscio
literally what any illness does to you but without any honor and more anxious

>> No.14869212

>>14866914
Who has ever died from killing someone?
>Now that I've murdered a person I ca- OH NO I'M DEAD
No he's fantasizing about being killed. Nothing wrong with that.

>> No.14869275

>>14868006
>If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
>Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
>Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
>Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
Even the fucking poem has to compare the horrors of dying in war to disgusting diseases no shit some would prefer to die in combat.

>> No.14869284

>>14868058
I love Junger but he was larper read Ernst von Solomon and the freikorps

>> No.14869322

>>14866259
Wrong about what? There is a certain kind of person who wants to taste the absolute pinnacle of life, the truest moment, the absolute confirmation of your own being, and knows the only thing that can satisfactorily follow a moment like this is death because otherwise you would forever be living a hollow shadelike life that could never compare. Like staying at a party for too long.

But not everyone feels that way. It isn't correct or incorrect. A lot of reactionaries LARP this attitude and think it is the only way to live, and this betrays their humanist universalism which assumes the interchangeability of all people. They fail to understand that individuals are built for different tasks and trying to convince yourself that you are meant to be a war hero who dies basked in glamour and glory on the battlefield when your soul is so thoroughly meek and mercantile is absurd and destructive.

The fact is this shitty world you hate is a world you were bred for, and is the world among all worlds you are most suitable to inhabit. Not only this but the ethnic gangs of Blacks and Latinos who glamourize the ride or die lifestyle, killing and being killed by the time they are 22, are closer to the Greek ideal than a hunchback masturbation addicted 4chan poster who works in IT or whatever.

>> No.14869339

>>14869322
You make quite a lot of assumptions there. If any of us were born into a hunter gatherer society we would all make it fine. Environment shapes much of who you are.

Also there are not moments so glorius they must be followed with death death is not usually so glamorous.

>> No.14869357

>>14869339
Your frail low bone-density high genetic load self would not be born in to a hunter gatherer society, or would be discarded as a liability, a runt. The environment you are born in to is partly because of the genetics of your parents. This should be obvious, otherwise you would be born somewhere else. There are implications here.

>Also there are not moments so glorius they must be followed with death death is not usually so glamorous.

If you don't feel it then you would never understand, and more than that it would be cruel hearted to expected it of you. You are meant to make clay pots or something.

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>>14867936
What the fuck is this chart? The more I look at it, the worse it gets.

>> No.14869483

>>14869426
i didn't make it lmao good meme tho

>> No.14869499

>>14869284
>ernst junger was only LARPing as a soldier
lmfao what

>> No.14869626

>>14868006
If only these young men could have lived to then die from the Spanish Flu! Coughing up blood in a hospital ward is much superior to doing it on the battlefield

>> No.14869875

>>14868487
In comparison to war, but no, I concede your point.

>>14869212
It was a tweet of a post. People in war kill and then are killed them selves. All that was meant.

>> No.14869943

>>14866250
Anything by Pinker, Diamond. Anything by Jews in general, desu. Are you Jewish?

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14869968

The freemasonic manual and constitution.

>> No.14870067

>>14869322
cope