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Is it the greatest American poem or an overrated piece of pedo shit?

>> No.14864463

>>14864457
i dont read fags

>> No.14864464

no such thing as greatest

>> No.14864468

if you like poems about homos and ciggs and alcohol and drugs, yeah

>> No.14864476

Jewish literature does not get any better than this

>> No.14864478

>>14864457
Ginsberg is no Whitman. I'm think I should start a thread about Whitman actually.

>> No.14864527

>>14864457
>gay pedo
yeah, hard pass from me

>> No.14864528

>pedo shit

As someone who has studied Ginsberg for over ten years I can honestly say the NAMBLA stuff I've heard here recently was something I'd never heard about before and could just as easily be made up, I'm not saying it is and if it's true that's disgusting, but I'm just saying you have to take these things with a grain of salt, especially if the person is dead and can't defend against allegations - with that said I haven't really had any interest in reading him since those allegations surfaced, as it sounds like you've been trepidated by it too. But what I would like to say is that while you'll get a lot of hate in this thread, Howl is really fuckin good

>> No.14864539

>>14864528
>Ginsberg was a supporter and member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws and legalize sexual relations between adults and children.[98] Claiming to have joined the organization "in defense of free speech",[99] Ginsberg said: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ... I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too—everybody does, who has a little humanity".[100] In 1994, Ginsberg appeared in a documentary on NAMBLA called Chicken Hawk: Men Who Love Boys (playing on the gay male slang term "Chickenhawk"), in which he read a "graphic ode to youth".[98]

>In her 2001 book, Heartbreak, Andrea Dworkin described her sense of Ginsberg's position:

>On the day of the bar mitzvah in 1982, newspapers reported in huge headlines that the Supreme Court had ruled child pornography illegal. I was thrilled. I knew Allen would not be. I did think he was a civil libertarian. But, in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American Man/Boy Love Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys.[101]

I'd certainly take Dworkin with your grain of salt, but it wasn't a meme the guy was openly in Nambla. I do like some of his poetry though.

>> No.14864541

>>14864528
>Association with NAMBLA[edit]
Ginsberg was a supporter and member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws and legalize sexual relations between adults and children.[98] Claiming to have joined the organization "in defense of free speech",[99] Ginsberg said: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ... I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too—everybody does, who has a little humanity".[100] In 1994, Ginsberg appeared in a documentary on NAMBLA called Chicken Hawk: Men Who Love Boys (playing on the gay male slang term "Chickenhawk"), in which he read a "graphic ode to youth".[98]

Oh fuck off

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>>14864528
>As someone who has studied Ginsberg for over ten years I can honestly say the NAMBLA stuff I've heard here recently was something I'd never heard about before and could just as easily be made up, I'm not saying it is and if it's true that's disgusting, but I'm just saying you have to take these things with a grain of salt, especially if the person is dead and can't defend against allegations

The state of University cucks, not being able to do their own research outside the prescribed curriculum.

>> No.14864593

>>14864541
#cancelHIM

>> No.14864677

>>14864528
t. pedo

>> No.14864697

>>14864528
ok groomer

>> No.14864700

>>14864457
>>14864539
>He was exceptionally aggressive about his right
I'll take the word of a fellow useful idiot athiest jewess on this one-- it takes something exceptional for these people to break ranks.