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>that argument also of Epicurus is done away. God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? or why does He not remove them? I know that many of the philosophers, who defend providence, are accustomed to be disturbed by this argument, and are almost driven against their will to admit that God takes no interest in anything, which Epicurus especially aims at; but having examined the matter, we easily do away with this formidable argument. For God is able to do whatever He wishes, and there is no weakness or envy in God. He is able, therefore, to take away evils; but He does not wish to do so, and yet He is not on that account envious. For on this account He does not take them away, because He at the same time gives wisdom, as I have shown; and there is more of goodness and pleasure in wisdom than of annoyance in evils. For wisdom causes us even to know God, and by that knowledge to attain to immortality, which is the chief good. Therefore, unless we first know evil, we shall be unable to know good But Epicurus did not see this, nor did any other, that if evils are taken away, wisdom is in like manner taken away; and that no traces of virtue remain in man, the nature of which consists in enduring and overcoming the bitterness of evils. And thus, for the sake of a slight gain in the taking away of evils, we should be deprived of a good, which is very great, and true, and peculiar to us. It is plain, therefore, that all things are proposed for the sake of man, as well evils as also goods.

>> No.14861635
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*tips zucchetto*

>> No.14861669

>>14861617
hold on... unless i lack reading comprehension, this is basically saying that the reason why evil exists is so that we know that good exists. why would god make such a fucked up system?
"i'm going to put a baby in a house full of broken glass. the baby will cut himself many many times but eventually he will learn how to avoid the glass and that is good"

>> No.14861695

>>14861617
oh no atheistbros it looks like we got too cocky

>> No.14861696

>>14861669
The metaphor you used is hyperbolic nonsense. You touch fire once and it burns, you don’t fuck up again. If you touch fire and feel nothing, you are bound to cook yourself to death.

>> No.14861706

>>14861617
>>14861669
damn so this is the power of christian philosophy

>> No.14861734

Adam knew God without having to know evil.

>> No.14861735

>>14861617
>unless we first know evil, we shall be unable to know good
but that's wrong

>> No.14861748

>>14861734
This.

>> No.14861776

>>14861617
>all things are proposed for the sake of man, as well evils as also goods
that's right children of the world who are dying of starvation RIGHT NOW, you haven't suffered enough YET
whoa such an all-loving god...

>> No.14861820

>>14861617
>there is more of goodness and pleasure in wisdom than of annoyance in evils

do christians (or any religious group for that matter) read stuff like this and dont see anything wrong with it

>> No.14861824

>>14861696
this

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>>14861669
>If good exists why do we have to moralfag it ll away?
BTFO by children. Great theology you got there.

>> No.14861832

>>14861734
>>14861669
christfags BTFO

>> No.14861845

>>14861820
my faith doesn't come from what *man* says it comes from what *God* says and if *He* says he loves us then its true

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>>14861669
>"i'm going to put a baby in a house full of broken glass. the baby will cut himself many many times but eventually he will learn how to avoid the glass and that is good"

I mean, yeah. That baby will learn to not interact with broken glass.

>> No.14861868

>>14861845
ok so if god loves us so much then why is there evil in the world?

>> No.14861877

>>14861864
or
one could NOT put the baby in a house with broken glass since you know, we would know the baby is going to get hurt and we (supposedly) love him

>> No.14861882

And the Christian chose a malevolent God over an incompetent one.

>> No.14862036

>>14861868
Literally imagine how soulless and shit and boring and pointless a world without evil would be. Do you seriously just want to drift about never experiencing anything negative and not suffering until you die? That’s all well and good in eternity but on this earth we’d be even more miserable than we are now

>> No.14862055

Pretty sure omnipotence means that God is capable of imbuing understanding of good and evil without allowing evil to happen.

>> No.14862059

>>14862036
>dude can you imagine how much it would suck to never experience evil
>oh except in heaven then it’ll be totally rad haha
you people are brain damaged

>> No.14862061

>>14862036
Being miserable is an evil. How can we be bored/despondent if there is no evil?

Adam was doing just fine in the garden.

>> No.14862064

>>14861617
But... He calls himself The *Jealous* God. So how would he be without envy?

>> No.14862086

>>14861617
oh shit oh shit, I'll have to throw my fedoras away now!

>>14862036
Maybe the omnipotent God could've made things so that the evil-less earthly life wouldn't be soulless and boring?

>> No.14862115

>>14862036
>Literally imagine how soulless and shit and boring and pointless a world without evil would be.
dude that is literally the reason why you're a Christian... Because you want to end up in such a place.

>> No.14862128

So literally Gnosticism?