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Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:38:38 No.14861387 [Reply] [Original]

Who 25+ here? Just turned 27 and now I'm wondering if I should forego fiction and embrace nonfiction only. What are some good books to cope with becoming old?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:45:20 No.14861420 >>14861387 start with the greeks

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:45:41 No.14861422 >>14861387 Unenlightened. Growing old and wise is much preferred to being young and stupid. Read Plato.

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:47:41 No.14861431
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>>14861387
>I'm wondering if I should forego fiction and embrace nonfiction only
Enjoying fiction is perfectly fine as long as you do not make it out to be more than it is, which is entertainment. I'm one year older than you and if I would give you an advice then it would be to not place philosophy, works on science, history and so on above what truly matters, which is experience. They are much more nurturing than fiction, but don't overrate how much they improve you as a human being.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:47:41 No.14861430 >>14861387 >foregoing fiction what a terrible living that must be.

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:48:19 No.14861433

>>14861387
if this crisis will calm down, then focus on travelling. see museums, visit, and gather living subjects for your research.

the question is superfluous as long as you read quality stuff and not fluff

effort should be graded; be natural don't be an autist. you should not forego anything you enjoy as long as it balanced in a proper mental and emotional self-environment

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:49:39 No.14861439 File: 509 KB, 1080x1920, 2b2148db3cd1a4412cc738d7520efec2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14861420 I've started with them, young one. I first picked up The Republic 10 years ago...

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:53:03 No.14861457

I'm over 25. Just...read both? If you try to filter everything you read through some arbitrary lense, you're going to miss some good shit. My recommendation would be the Samurai's Garden. It's not about aging per se, but it has to do with finding meaning in life, even when you're coping with stuff. Not to mention it will get you reading about tuberculosis and Japanese military action against China.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 11:56:03 No.14861474 >>14861420 >>14861422 >>14861439 What should I read after Herodotus?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:01:52 No.14861515 File: 71 KB, 912x1024, 48fwwztmk3c41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14861474 Why, the Aeneid, of course.

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:09:10 No.14861565

>>14861431
>history and so on above what truly matters, which is experience
This is pretty based. I need to get out more, maybe take up sailing. There's a marina close to where I live, and I know they offer classes on sailing and rent out small sailing boats for beginners.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:09:27 No.14861567 >>14861387 >I'm wondering if I should forego fiction and embrace nonfiction only Why on earth would you do that? Who or what gave you the monumentally stupid idea that fiction should be outgrown?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:10:08 No.14861571 I'm 28. My life has only gotten better as I've grown older

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:12:19 No.14861582 >>14861567 It's a pretty common meme here for some reason

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:25:44 No.14861625 Embrace phronesis, Anon. You’re becoming Cepaphulus, the wise man from Plato’s Republic. You are now old as fuck, unfit for normal society. You can only do your sacrifices and rituals.

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:49:33 No.14861757
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>>14861387
>I'm wondering if I should forego fiction and embrace nonfiction only.
You have the maturity and the insecurity of someone half your age
>What are some good books to cope with becoming old?
You are not becoming old for another 15 years

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:51:31 No.14861772 File: 37 KB, 400x386, 1549916460547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 26. It's over.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:52:00 No.14861773 How about just read whatever appeals to you instead of setting arbitrary rules? You’d be surprised how much fic is in some non-fiction and vice versa.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:53:32 No.14861779 People who think literature as art, ie fiction, is useless are complete fucking bugmen and, I'd argue, not actually human.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:54:38 No.14861787 >>14861571 Same. I have a healthier relationship with people, work, vices, and hobbies. The balance isn't perfect but it's improving each day. I'm glad I'm not a dumbass 18 year old.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 12:57:07 No.14861807 I'm 30 years old. I've been here since 2008 when I was 18. Life had its ups and downs. Some things are better, but I had awful crisis as well. The fiction/non-fiction debate is silly. I think I'll always read both, just the content that changes.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:05:23 No.14862908 >>14861474 Thucydides, obviously. The Peloponnesian War's the next major conflict once the Leagues are formed. Also it's one of the greatest books youll ever read. t. over 30

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:13:49 No.14862950 File: 108 KB, 200x200, 1557092500690.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14861387 I am almost 28 years old. I only read fiction, and I only watch anime of high school girls.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:20:24 No.14862989 I just turned 25 and coincidentally my ratio of fiction to non fiction reading has started to lean a lot more towards the latter lately. I guess this is the first step towards only ever reading books on ww2 weaponry

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:30:22 No.14863035 File: 71 KB, 680x802, 275D2A2E-370E-4561-81F5-B361E7814CB9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14861387 Sounds like someone is looking to IMPROOOOOOVE

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:32:20 No.14863046 DIE BOOMERS GET OFF THE INTERNET

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:35:52 No.14863061 >>14862908 Just finished it. Breddy good flow for what it was desu. t. Same

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:41:32 No.14863087

I am 28. Unironically start with the Greeks, just bee line it to Plato and read some of his Dialogues. They are comfy.

As others have said, the fiction / non-fiction debate is silly. Read both, as they offer different things (stupid generalization: non-fiction helps ATTEMPT to explain the world, fiction strengthens your empathy a little). And in some cases they offer the same things. e.g. a lot of science fiction is philosophical in nature and attempts to play out a though-experiment in a book e.g. Hey what if humans could upload their minds into computers? How would that impact the individual? How would that impact society?

Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:49:30 No.14863122

I am 30. At this point in your life, if you've been living with any real depth, you should be finding fiction more and more gratifying, if anything. The themes and ideas will have more resonance with you than they would to a 19 year old, even if we assume that you both have a good eye for prose and the patience to enjoy it. Have some relationships fall apart, watch friends die, lose family, work yourself out of various spirals and ruts, and fiction becomes alive in a way that non-fiction rarely is.

Non-fiction is fairly foundational for any good reading habit, and shouldn't be ignored, but ignoring fiction for the sake of non-fiction is lunacy. Don't read books to cope with getting old, just read books, you're 27 and while you'll never be Rimbaud, there are other and better options. Also, don't sleep on poetry. I'm not justifying it here but you should listen to me anyway. You'll thank yourself later.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:53:25 No.14863140 >>14861387 Hello? Based department? Yes, I got a new potential candidate, it is the OP in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:53:38 No.14863144 >>14861431 >Enjoying fiction is perfectly fine as long as you do not make it out to be more than it is, which is entertainment t. has never read a literary work of art in his entire lifetime

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 17:57:02 No.14863159 >>14863061 The conclusion.. the eclipse and the long march back of the soundly defeated remnant- the way it ended - utterly blew my mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 19:20:57 No.14863612 Just turned 25. I have not a lot of life experience, and I think its time for me to spend less time online.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 19:21:29 No.14863619 >>14861387 Fucking zoomers

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 20:41:28 No.14864028 >>14861420 By 25 you should be starting to work your way into the Romans for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 20:51:42 No.14864075 >>14861387 I'm approaching 30. Wouldn't recommend forgoing fiction. Just be very selective about the fiction you read.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 20:52:21 No.14864079 >>14863122 >Also, don't sleep on poetry. What do you mean?

>>	Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz Mon, Mar 9, 2020 20:53:07 No.14864083 44. Read everything

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 20:59:56 No.14864108 >>14864079 Dif anon Guessing the sense is don't forget that it exists; but if you have now's the time to pick some up.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Mar 9, 2020 21:09:36 No.14864158 I watch too many films, should I watch more documentaries?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:03:30 No.14864921 >>14864108 Funny how I just bought Rimbaud's complete poetry (bilingual edition) just when that guy told me I couldn't be Rimbaud. Fuck, bros.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:09:50 No.14864947 File: 922 KB, 1696x2560, CONAN.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14861387 About to be 26 on Friday. Read whatever the fuck you want, my dude. Try some Conan.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:11:07 No.14864951 >>14862989 An emissary of /k/, I see.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:12:49 No.14864962 File: 203 KB, 1024x681, car.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tfw 27 now and the last 4 years of my life have been a total waste and now I constantly feel behind

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:14:36 No.14864967 >>14864962 Are you me?

Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:29:07 No.14865019
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>>14864967

Perhaps. I see many people (on the internet) starting from scratch in their late 20s and such so I know it's not the end of the world but that feeling of wasted time you'll never get back is a bad one.

Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:43:36 No.14865069

>>14864962
Wait till you are 30, it gets easier after you accept how far off the reservation you have gone and begin to embrace what you are. It is the hope that you could somehow jump tracks and re-enter the normie life trajectory that causes the most suffering. Just let go.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:46:42 No.14865076 >>14861387 25, I'll turn 26 in july. This is how I feel every morning: https://youtu.be/6Wq-ku3AwTA

Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 00:54:33 No.14865097

Good fiction is an intersection across every stratum of experience: moral, aesthetic, emotional. "Secondary sources" or "scholarship" only provides contexts, which are certainly important, but not transformative. I would rank "primary source" non-fiction (like philosophy and major religious texts) as being on the level of fiction.

The only problem is that not all fiction really hits -- you gotta wade through a lot of shit. But it can be just one sentence that will redeem your entire life.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 01:00:17 No.14865121 >>14861387 Just read good fiction. And I don't mean "good" fiction, I mean good fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Mar 10, 2020 01:05:23 No.14865138 >>14865069 Even those who fit the normie trajectory well suffer from the normie trajectory.

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