why does he get so much hate?

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why does he get so much hate? Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:13:37 2020 No.14852165 [Reply] [Original]

I recently saw a post about the Dunning-Kruger effect and it is stated that Bertrand Russell agreed with its core principles.

Despite this, I noticed that some posters thought that it was ironic that Russell would derive influence from DK as they saw him to be stupid.

Are his works really that bad or are his political beliefs out of tune?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:18:49 2020 No.14852198 >>14852165 his work in the history (his most popular work) is very flawed) i don't know much from his politics though

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:27:54 2020 No.14852261 >>14852198 Sorry for not mentioning, but didn’t he criticise Wittgenstein?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:37:28 2020 No.14852291 >>14852198 i forgot to complete the sentence History of philosophy yeah he criticized the later wittgenstein, and according to Ludwig he also missundertood the Tractatus, so who knows

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:39:53 2020 No.14852303 >>14852165 Among scholars, he is almost universally acknowledged to be the greatest philosopher of the 20th century. I wouldn't worry about the opinions of a few incel shut-ins on the internet.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:47:28 2020 No.14852337

>>14852291
>>14852261
>>14852198
>b-but his history of philosophy is bad!
Guys please just stop this meme. Whether you are STEM or humanities you have no choice to admit he is one of the most important people in the 20C. He was deeply influential to Alfred Whitehead (famous and extremely notable mathematician AND philosopher), as well as Norbert Wiener (genius engineer, laid foundations in control and communication theory, and cybernetics).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:51:08 2020 No.14852352 >>14852165 I think a lot of it comes from his new athiest fedora tipping followers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:52:33 2020 No.14852356 >>14852303 are you retarded any analytic scholar would say Wittgenstein

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:56:50 2020 No.14852376 >>14852356 Russell contributed much more broadly to philosophy, science and culture than Wittgenstein. Principia Mathematica alone is an unparalleled intellectual achievement.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:57:13 2020 No.14852381
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>>14852337
Pic related was highly influential on Darwin, Einstein, Schrodinger, and Pauli as well as Freud and Jung, and also Nietzsche and Wittgenstein (ironically more influential on him than Russell). Not to mention the innumerable artists like Tolstoy and Wagner and Beckett and Mallarmé.

And yet, the best thing Russell could say about him was:
>BUT HE SAYS DONT HAVE SEX THEN WHY DID HE HAVE SEX?
That's the deepest philosophical criticism your idol could come up with in his History of Philosophy.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:02:08 2020 No.14852399

Wittgenstein put it best:
> Russell's books should be bound in two colours, those dealing with mathematical logic in red – and all students of philosophy should read them; those dealing with ethics and politics in blue – and no one should be allowed to read them

He was a brilliant man who should have stayed in his lane.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:04:28 2020 No.14852408 >>14852399 Wittgenstein was a gay Jewish autist nutjob. I wouldn't take what he says as gospel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:05:00 2020 No.14852411 >>14852376 But what about Gödel proving PM fundamentally flawed?

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:07:04 2020 No.14852422

>>14852408
He was right. Russel’s worthwhile work extends only to his writings on logic and language and the intro book he wrote.

You go much further than that and all you’ll find are banal statements on ethics and politics and literal advocacy for cuckoldry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:08:06 2020 No.14852426 >>14852381 He kinda looks like a retarded wolverine

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:09:59 2020 No.14852431 >>14852399 >>14852422 I would also argue against his History and his Intro. The former is just ridiculous and the latter presents philosophy as the sciences' bitch.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:15:00 2020 No.14852452

>>14852165

....jesus...

Dunning and Kruger studied this starting in 1999.

Bertrand Russell died in 1970....

The Dunning Kruger effect is a curve that plots confidence against experience and finds that the relationship is not linear. This curve is experimental. I know of no study done previously to measure confidence against experiential skill across a wide range of skill sets.

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Bertrand Russell?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:15:27 2020 No.14852454 >>14852303 I think most scholars would put Heidegger and Wittgenstein as the greatest 20th centhry philosophical minds. I would definitely take Russell over either of them though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:19:23 2020 No.14852473 >>14852422 >>14852431 Cope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:20:56 2020 No.14852481 >>14852454 Heidegger was a pseud who spouted gibberish, so he's definitely not it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:04:12 2020 No.14852666 He is the first 'New Atheist'. >DUDE NO EVIDENCE LMAO. >LIKE A TEAPOT IN SPACE, YEP EXACTLY THE SAME COMPARISON AS THE ONE (GOD)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 21:07:20 2020 No.14852679 >>14852666 Russell BTFO, high five Jesus!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 23:45:00 2020 No.14853284 >>14852303 You mean Heidegger, not RussTard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 00:14:57 2020 No.14853417 >>14852666 Both statements you green texted are correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 07:38:38 2020 No.14854521 >>14852399 Kek

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:59:26 2020 No.14855697 >>14852165 he probably never rode a bulldozer

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 13:07:14 2020 No.14855745

Russell was a literal cuckold. He willingly raised two bastards his wife had with her bulls during their marriage. This is not just a personal fault of character. His cuckoldry is visible in all his works outside of analytical philosophy, his political opinions and his tastes. It's as if the very idea of cuckoldry had incarnated itself in Russell. Any influence he may have had on Western culture can only be considered as negative.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:44:06 2020 No.14856909 >>14852337 Important, but just another link in the chain. No need to elevate him anymore than anyone else.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:09:35 2020 No.14857911

>>14852337
i agree, but his skills didn't show as an historian of ideas and as you may know, that book was written for economic reasons, and it's just not very good.

on the other hand: imagine using the term "influence" seriously

>>14852399
based, i'm saving that

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:11:49 2020 No.14857925 >>14852165 he's the king of the Pseuds

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:19:04 2020 No.14857978 >>14857938 Lawrence wanted to be the next Nietzsche

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:22:38 2020 No.14857998 >>14857991 yep

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:24:13 2020 No.14858009 >>14852337 based whitehead singlehandedly wrote the principia while bertrand played the celebrity intellectual rockstar venture capitalist role. he was all talk and no substance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:33:25 2020 No.14858057 File: 2.62 MB, 4096x2304, cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can you know if you're Dunning-Kruger?

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:44:35 2020 No.14858113

>>14852399
Wittgenstein also said:
>The Bosnians are a sick people, they make the most filthy coffee and all live as though the Ottoman's conquest of their land was a mere inconvenience. It is not surprising; their brains are dulled eating starch from the Ottoman foods.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:48:21 2020 No.14858144 >>14857938 >a woman I know said that you look evil, therefore you are evil

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:51:26 2020 No.14858162 >>14858144 Russel, do not intentionally miss the point to take jabs at others. It's very.. jewish. As such it's beneath you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 19:58:12 2020 No.14858202 >>14852165 Didnt he have a revelation on his death bed and realized he was wrong about everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:02:23 2020 No.14858233 File: 241 KB, 1504x609, AJ Ayer Postmorteum.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sry, that was Ayer, of the same mildew

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:03:10 2020 No.14858239 >>14857991 This is a whole new level of based.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:08:29 2020 No.14858275 >>14852165 There are posters on this website that unironically take monkeys like Guenon seriously, their opinions should not be of much worth to you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:09:31 2020 No.14858281 >>14852454 >most scholars would put Heidegger and Wittgenstein as the greatest 20th centhry philosophical minds Quine or Carnap*

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:23:43 2020 No.14858376 >>14858275 We live in a world where gaslighting is the norm and you choose to oppose Guenon.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 20:34:56 2020 No.14858470

>>14852399
That's how I would put it too. Russel's work of a logician is top rate. There is no question about it given that world-class mathematicians such as Hilbert and Godel treated it as the standard by which to decide essential questions. Even if the logicist paradigm was to be proven untenable it was demonstrated so through the working out of the principia. The theory of descriptions is worthy too.

His other writings however seem to have a certain arid quality to them, full of weighty pronouncements but lacking in the precise rigor of his work as a logician.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:31:56 2020 No.14858803 >>14858281 Nope, these guys are nowhere as popular as the thinkers I mentioned. Now are Quine and Karnap better philosophers? It is certainly arguable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:33:49 2020 No.14858815 >>14858470 Well no shit a work in philosophy can never be as rigorous as a work in formal logic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:34:49 2020 No.14858822 >>14858803 We are talking about scholarly consensus, not popular consensus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:39:10 2020 No.14858836 >>14858822 That's what I am talking about as well, popularity among scholars. No way fucking Quine is more influential than Heidegger or Wittgenstein.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:43:46 2020 No.14858854

>>14858836
They WERE much more influential, which is only natural given that their peak of influence roughly coincides with the creative peak of for example Quine, who logically could not have been more influential at the time as influence can only be determined a posteriori.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 21:49:15 2020 No.14858885

>>14858836

>Most Cited Philosophers in the SEP:
1. Lewis, David K. (267)
2. Quine, W.V.O. (191)
3. Putnam, Hilary (168)
4. Rawls, John (146)
5. Davidson, Donald (142)
6. Kripke, Saul (139)
7. Williams, Bernard (133)
8. Nozick, Robert (126)
9. Nussbaum, Martha (121)
10. Williamson, Timothy (116)
11. Jackson, Frank (113)
11. Nagel, Thomas (113)
13. Searle, John R. (111)
13. Van Fraassen, Bas (111)
15. Armstrong, David M. (106)

http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-295-most-cited-contemporary-authors.html

>The 20 "Most Important" Philosophers of the Modern Era
1. Immanuel Kant
2. David Hume
3. Rene Descartes
4. Ludwig Wittgenstein
5. John Locke
6. Gottlob Frege
7. John Stuart Mill
8. G.W.F. Hegel
9. Gottfried Leibniz
10. Bertrand Russell
11. Baruch Spinoza
12. Thomas Hobbes
13. Friedrich Nietzsche
14. Karl Marx
15. Soren Kierkegaard
16. George Berkeley
17. Jean-Jacques Rousseau
18. W.V.O. Quine
19. Saul Kripke
20. John Rawls

https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/05/the-20-most-important-philosophers-of-the-modern-era.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 22:02:52 2020 No.14858927 File: 1.09 MB, 498x498, tener.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14858885 Frege

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 22:31:07 2020 No.14859036 >>14852381 This. Add Proust and like anon said, innumerable artist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 01:24:30 2020 No.14859723 >>14858885 I remember Dreyfus (pbuh) saying that more books were published on Heidegger and Wittgenstein than any other 20th century philosophers. Sure, it's not exactly citations but it counts for something. Not that anon btw, just my two cents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 04:14:45 2020 No.14860096 File: 32 KB, 312x500, 51m0F9q9kLL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pretty much whenever you see people giving Russell shit, especially on here, you can be sure they haven't read a single page of his work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 11:11:36 2020 No.14861252 >>14852165 He's just so based

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 14:34:07 2020 No.14862151 >>14858057 you post on /lit/

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