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14841421 No.14841421 [Reply] [Original]

Actually the trying starting with the Greeks meme... having a hard time understanding Bloom's translation of The Republic of Plato. Is it over for me? Is there any point to continue trying with philosophy if I can't understand the entry-level dialogue?

>> No.14841590
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>>14841421
Try reading slower. Also try starting somewhere else, and don't be afraid to use secondary resources and to search for help online.

>> No.14841670

>>14841421
The Republic is a waste of time as everything there later is refuted in the Laws.

>> No.14841678

>>14841421
Republic isn’t an entry level dialogue. Try reading the narrative of the trial of Socrates as recounted in Euthyphro, Apology, Crito and Phaedo. Or start with something fun like the Symposium.

>> No.14841700

>>14841421
Bloom is shit. Always read C. D. C. Reeve's translation.

>> No.14841720

It can be helpful to look up lectures from professors in the field. Don't feel like its bad to look up recorded philosophy 101 stuff, if you pay attention it can be really helpful.


>>14841670
Also this guy is a retard. Philosophy isn't a fucking boxing match, ideas build on or reject each other in equal measure and have their usefulness, including plato. If you take this attitude you miss out on fascinating reading in some real philosophical atrocities (like Siris from Berkely as an example)

t. a marxist who fucking hates plato and uses him as a negative example constantly.

>> No.14841757

>>14841678
>symposium
>fun
Why?

>> No.14841795

>>14841421
learn greek or you're ngtmi

>> No.14841868

>>14841757
drunk gayreeks talking about love and inventing tall tales

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>>14841421
The Republic is one of the greatest books ever written, understanding and appreciating Plato is a lifelong endeavour, this is a geniuses' -arguably the single most influential figure in history other than Jesus Christ- mature work. You will always be re-understanding Plato, and he will always be reforming your life, and to a massive extent already preforms it in your culture and Western civilisation on a whole.

There is no rush, appreciate every one of his works. When I first read the Republic when I was quite young I forced myself to sit through it, and any parts I couldn't understand I read until I did, used some other source to help or if neither were possible then I would move on and would mostly figure out the general idea of what he meant by the next couple of pages. And I continued to reread it over the years, along with his other dialogues.

Plato must be tackled from quite literally every direction, there is not a single way in which you can think not to look at Plato with, lest you don't understand. How do his dialogues relate together, how do they relate to the context, how do they differ, religiously, esoterically, metaphorically, fictionally, empirically, rationally, intuitively, sensory, etc. These are just basic names but they should give you some idea, let what you have read mull around in your mind for a little bit and these answers should come to you.

Also and see my garbage pic? It's garbage so don't take it literally in anyway and even the ideas that supposedly are behind each dialogue it is ridiculous to only have one(massively reductive) and sometimes they even chose one that wasn't the most important to the dialogue. But it's chosen in a way that they relate to the dialogue mesh of Plato on a whole and how they somewhat explain the other and even though it is stupid(not the intention), it is useful to you in some ways.

>> No.14841919

>>14841757
>>14841868
It was pretty fun anon, all there different story's, though Socrates' speech could get quite boring, the only thing that could really, make it boring in the slightest would be Plato's writing.

>> No.14841969

>>14841720
>marxist
>hates
lmao of course

>> No.14841990

>>14841969
Says the dude who thinks saying nigger on 4chan or twitter is doing politics lmao.

>> No.14842000

>>14841990
cringe

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>>14841421
Jesus christ, is this board populated exclusively by retards? Read the introduction that I'm sure you skipped, read the interpretive essay that's at the end, read some secondary literature, and watch some lectures online. If this text was simple enough for a dunce like you to figure out on a first read it wouldn't be considered one of the most profound works of philosophy in human history.

>> No.14842301

>>14841421
Download some courses, dude. There's so many political science courses available online that will cover this book. Read as much of this as you can, then just pop in your earbuds and go lift. Fitlit.

>> No.14842637

>>14842153
This op. The interpretive essay is great, just keep going

>> No.14843272

>>14842301
Anything particular you could recommend?

Found this Yale course, any good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQKbQVc2_w

>> No.14843291

>>14841720
>t. a marxist
here we just say tranny anon, no need for euphemisms

>> No.14843299

>>14841421
I read the Jowett translation and found it accessible. I had to take my time still