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[Anonymous No.14833037]

Why did Jesus say this?

[Anonymous No.14833055]

>>14833037
In your eyes forsaken me
In your thoughts forsaken me
In your heart forsaken, me oh
Trust in my self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die
In my self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die

[Anonymous No.14833060]

>>14833037
It was a reference to Psalm 22

[Anonymous No.14833065]

He was a kike and a faggot

[Anonymous No.14833067]

>>14833037
Some believe he is quoting Psalm 22.

In reality, the author of Matthew is quoting Psalm 22 through his mouthpiece character, Jesus.

[Anonymous No.14833101]

>>14833067
Then how do I find out what Jesus actually said?

[Anonymous No.14833108]

>>14833037
probably because he wanted to know why god had forsaken him

[Anonymous No.14833135]

>>14833101
You can't

[Anonymous No.14833249]

>>14833135
:(

[Anonymous No.14833264]

>>14833037
Because Jesus was God become man, and as a man he had doubts about God.
>>14833055
>>14833060
>>14833067
I don't understand why people say this, like he didn't know what the Psalm meant or that he just picked one at random for no reason. The question is WHY did he quote that line from Psalm 22?

[Anonymous No.14833266]

Because Jesus as we know, was not son of god. He was a great prophet and probably the 2nd greatest after Muhammad (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.14833281]

>>14833266
What does Jesus teach in Islam?

[Anonymous No.14833290]

>>14833266
nah that would be ibrahim pbuh.

The first heaven is described as being made of water and is the home of Adam and Eve, as well as the angels of each star.

The second heaven is described as being made of white pearls and is the home of Yahya (John the Baptist) and Isa (Jesus).

The third heaven is described as being made of iron (alternatively pearls or other dazzling stones); Joseph and the Angel of Death (named Azrael in some traditions) are resident there.[15]

The fourth heaven is described as being made of brass (alternatively white gold); Idris (conventionally identified with Enoch) and the "Angel of Tears" resides there.

The fifth heaven is described as being made of silver; Aaron and the "Avenging Angel"[who?] hold court over this heaven.

The sixth heaven is described as being composed of gold (alternatively garnets and rubies); Moses can be found here.[16]

The seventh heaven, which borrows some concepts from its Jewish counterpart, is depicted as being composed of divine light incomprehensible to the mortal man (alternatively emerald). Abraham is a resident there and Sidrat al-Muntaha, a large enigmatic Lote tree, marks the end of the seventh heaven and the utmost extremity for all of God's creatures and heavenly knowledge

[Anonymous No.14833300]

>>14833101
just pray idiot

[Anonymous No.14833301]

>>14833264
Psalm 22 mirrors the crucifixion.

11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

[Anonymous No.14833306]

>>14833290
sounds made up

[Anonymous No.14833310]

>>14833281
everything as in the bible except polytheism

[Anonymous No.14833315]

>>14833037
I don't believe that he did say that

[Anonymous No.14833322]

>>14833310
So, nothing?

[Anonymous No.14833327]

>>14833310
So Jesus fulfills all the messianic prophecies but he isn’t the messiah? What’s the point of Muhammed? And why was it ok for Christians to go to heaven (Quran 2:62) if they practiced “polytheism” ?

Also, what is God without creation?

[Anonymous No.14833369]

>>14833327
>So Jesus fulfills all the messianic prophecies but he isn’t the messiah?

He is the messiah because Mozes told his people that after him the Messiah will come and they should follow him. But they didnt.

>What’s the point of Muhammed?

Jezus pbuh told his people that after him will come the final messenger named Ahmad(one of the names of Muhammad pbuh). But that part is removed from the current bibles. Islamic scholars asked the Vatican to open their Archives but they refused.

>And why was it ok for Christians to go to heaven (Quran 2:62) if they practiced “polytheism” ?

Only the Christian during the time of Jezus PBUH until the prophethood of Muhammad PBUH will go the heaven.

[Anonymous No.14833399]

>>14833306
the hadith is weak so dont take it serious.

[Anonymous No.14833402]

>>14833369
It makes no sense for there to be a final messenger. Jesus solves everything. Muhammed’s coming is a bit anti-climactic compared to Jesus’, don’t you think?

[Anonymous No.14833406]

>>14833264
mfw you got pleb filtered by Psalm 22

[Anonymous No.14833421]

>>14833402
The people of Jesus went astray. God is all-knowing.

[Anonymous No.14833461]

>>14833301
Anon please don't pretend to be dumb, give me a reason for why he chose that line to quote. He didn't quote the part where he asked God for help, or where he speaks about his own suffering, but "eli eli lama sabachtani". Remember Jesus himself tells you he's not God. People want to act like God isn't really powerful enough to make himself into a man, like Jesus was just a fursuit for God or something. I know theology is hard but this is just some reductive sunday school interpretation
>He just quoted randomly from some Psalm cause it mirrors the crucifixion; there's no meaning to what he says. Don't worry children, God loves you

[Anonymous No.14833466]

>>14833037
He is asking God for forgiveness

[Anonymous No.14833472]

>>14833406
not why did he pick Psalm 22, why did he pick THAT LINE from Psalm 22? You people act like Jesus was stupid or something

[Anonymous No.14833474]

>>14833290
What hadith is this from?

[Anonymous No.14833497]

>>14833037

Dark humor, mocking the ignorance of his executioners.

[Anonymous No.14833499]

>>14833461
>>14833472
He means it the same way the Psalmist does, but that Psalm was picked specifically because of its prophetic description of the crucifixion. I don’t think Jesus was simply referencing Psalm 22 with an ironic statement

[Anonymous No.14833504]

>>14833497
kek

[Anonymous No.14833512]

>>14833499
Ironic? I'm saying he was was totally sincere. He genuinely looses faith in God on the cross and asks why he has been forsaken. It's the other anon's take that it was a meta reference to Psalm 22 and that he didn't actually mean what he said.

[Anonymous No.14833513]

>>14833402
>Muhammed’s coming is a bit anti-climactic compared to Jesus
He and his followers managed to pull together the worlds largest empire within a generation, which triggered a golden age of art, science, trade, and translation, allowing for the wisdom of the classical world to be preserved up through till the Mongol conquests. Muhammed also left a clear guide for people to be instructed in religion, rather than a bunch of contradictory Greek metaphysics masquerading as theology.

Seems pretty climactic to me.

[Anonymous No.14833525]

>>14833301
>12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round
Christianity is a cuck religion, who knew lmao

[Anonymous No.14833528]

>>14833512
No one said it was purely a reference. The verse makes sense, given the passage in the garden of gethsemane

[Anonymous No.14833537]

>>14833504

In the most serious way possible. Their God would not have abandoned them had they not killed him. Someone post that Zizek excerpt where he talks about something like this.

[Anonymous No.14833538]

>>14833513
I can see a golden age for the economy and society being a direct consequence of military conquest. That happened to almost every empire in history. If his great achievement was conquering by force, that is not a very spiritual achievement.

[Anonymous No.14833547]

>>14833528
Okay then I will ask for the fourth time, why did he choose that specific line to quote? Why did he ask that question? Don't just tell me it's a reference to Psalm 22 or that it makes sense it context, he could have picked any line to quote and he chose that one on purpose. If not because he felt forsaken by God, then why?

[Anonymous No.14833552]

>>14833474

bukhari,

[Anonymous No.14833556]

>>14833547
My guess: Jesus is lamenting his role as the sacrificial son, questioning why God is doing this to him. Jesus was not perfectly content in this event

[Anonymous No.14833561]

>>14833538
he never conquered by force. only the muslimleaders after him probably did.

[Anonymous No.14833567]

>>14833547
are you dumb?

[Anonymous No.14833588]

>>14833055
based

[Anonymous No.14833593]

>>14833552
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The night Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was taken for a journey from the sacred mosque (of Mecca) Al-Ka`ba: Three persons came to him (in a dreamy while he was sleeping in the Sacred Mosque before the Divine Inspiration was revealed to Him. One of them said, "Which of them is he?" The middle (second) angel said, "He is the best of them." The last (third) angle said, "Take the best of them." Only that much happened on that night and he did not see them till they came on another night, i.e. after The Divine Inspiration was revealed to him. (Fath-ul-Bari Page 258, Vol. 17) and he saw them, his eyes were asleep but his heart was not----and so is the case with the prophets: their eyes sleep while their hearts do not sleep. So those angels did not talk to him till they carried him and placed him beside the well of Zamzam. From among them Gabriel took charge of him. Gabriel cut open (the part of his body) between his throat and the middle of his chest (heart) and took all the material out of his chest and `Abdomen and then washed it with Zamzam water with his own hands till he cleansed the inside of his body, and then a gold tray containing a gold bowl full of belief and wisdom was brought and then Gabriel stuffed his chest and throat blood vessels with it and then closed it (the chest).

[Anonymous No.14833597]

>>14833593
He then ascended with him to the heaven of the world and knocked on one of its doors. The dwellers of the Heaven asked, 'Who is it?' He said, "Gabriel." They said, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They said, "Has he been called?" He said, "Yes" They said, "He is welcomed." So the dwellers of the Heaven became pleased with his arrival, and they did not know what Allah would do to the Prophet (ﷺ) on earth unless Allah informed them. The Prophet (ﷺ) met Adam over the nearest Heaven. Gabriel said to the Prophet, "He is your father; greet him." The Prophet (ﷺ) greeted him and Adam returned his greeting and said, "Welcome, O my Son! O what a good son you are!" Behold, he saw two flowing rivers, while he was in the nearest sky. He asked, "What are these two rivers, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "These are the sources of the Nile and the Euphrates." Then Gabriel took him around that Heaven and behold, he saw another river at the bank of which there was a palace built of pearls and emerald.

[Anonymous No.14833604]

>>14833597
He put his hand into the river and found its mud like musk Adhfar. He asked, "What is this, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "This is the Kauthar which your Lord has kept for you." Then Gabriel ascended (with him) to the second Heaven and the angels asked the same questions as those on the first Heaven, i.e., "Who is it?" Gabriel replied, "Gabriel". They asked, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They asked, "Has he been sent for?" He said, "Yes." Then they said, "He is welcomed.'' Then he (Gabriel) ascended with the Prophet (ﷺ) to the third Heaven, and the angels said the same as the angels of the first and the second Heavens had said. Then he ascended with him to the fourth Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the fifth Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the sixth Heaven and they said the same; then he ascended with him to the seventh Heaven and they said the same.On each Heaven there were prophets whose names he had mentioned and of whom I remember Idris on the second Heaven, Aaron on the fourth Heavens another prophet whose name I don't remember, on the fifth Heaven, Abraham on the sixth Heaven, and Moses on the seventh Heaven because of his privilege of talking to Allah directly. Moses said (to Allah), "O Lord! I thought that none would be raised up above me." But Gabriel ascended with him (the Prophet) for a distance above that, the distance of which only Allah knows, till he reached the Lote Tree (beyond which none may pass) and then the Irresistible, the Lord of Honor and Majesty approached and came closer till he (Gabriel) was about two bow lengths or (even) nearer. (It is said that it was Gabriel who approached and came closer to the Prophet. (Fate Al-Bari Page 263, 264, Vol. 17).

[Anonymous No.14833613]

>>14833604
Among the things which Allah revealed to him then, was: "Fifty prayers were enjoined on his followers in a day and a night." Then the Prophet (ﷺ) descended till he met Moses, and then Moses stopped him and asked, "O Muhammad ! What did your Lord en join upon you?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied," He enjoined upon me to perform fifty prayers in a day and a night." Moses said, "Your followers cannot do that; Go back so that your Lord may reduce it for you and for them." So the Prophet (ﷺ) turned to Gabriel as if he wanted to consult him about that issue. Gabriel told him of his opinion, saying, "Yes, if you wish." So Gabriel ascended with him to the Irresistible and said while he was in his place, "O Lord, please lighten our burden as my followers cannot do that." So Allah deducted for him ten prayers where upon he returned to Moses who stopped him again and kept on sending him back to his Lord till the enjoined prayers were reduced to only five prayers. Then Moses stopped him when the prayers had been reduced to five and said, "O Muhammad! By Allah, I tried to persuade my nation, Bani Israel to do less than this, but they could not do it and gave it up. However, your followers are weaker in body, heart, sight and hearing, so return to your Lord so that He may lighten your burden." The Prophet (ﷺ) turned towards Gabriel for advice and Gabriel did not disapprove of that. So he ascended with him for the fifth time. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Lord, my followers are weak in their bodies, hearts, hearing and constitution, so lighten our burden." On that the Irresistible said, "O Muhammad!" the Prophet replied, "Labbaik and Sa`daik." Allah said, "The Word that comes from Me does not change, so it will be as I enjoined on you in the Mother of the Book." Allah added, "Every good deed will be rewarded as ten times so it is fifty (prayers) in the Mother of the Book (in reward) but you are to perform only five (in practice)." The Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Moses who asked, "What have you done?" He said, "He has lightened our burden: He has given us for every good deed a tenfold reward." Moses said, "By Allah! I tried to make Bani Israel observe less than that, but they gave it up. So go back to your Lord that He may lighten your burden further." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O Moses! By Allah, I feel shy of returning too many times to my Lord." On that Gabriel said, "Descend in Allah's Name." The Prophet (ﷺ) then woke while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca).

[Anonymous No.14833631]

>>14833547
In order to take upon all the sins of the world, the Father had to turn away from Christ momentarily, and lifted the Spirit from Him. Christ had never been outside the presence of the Father before and was wholly Man at that moment.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14833634]

>>14833037
Because he never claimed to be god

[Anonymous No.14833638]

>>14833634
He told Pontius Pilate that He was indeed God

[Anonymous No.14833666]

>>14833631
thank you for this definitive answer

[Anonymous No.14833670]

I can’t answer your question, anon. But I can say this: that line is one of the most powerful things man will ever read.

[Anonymous No.14833674]

I can imagine the last moments of Jesus' life, with all the faithful followers, annoying as they were, fully believing God would save Him from certain death.
They were probably indignant at Roman authorities, convinced that He had God's grace and the Romans were making an unjust, terrible mistake. I can imagine the loud followers yelling stuff like "just watch and see him be saved!", "You'll regret this when God intervenes!". So much had Jesus to hear those cries, that He probably expected them to occur too, but anxiously and never fully sure if it was really part of God's plan to be saved. He could only hope, and the doubt remained until the crucifixion happened, when everyone silently shut their mouths. Jesus, following the sense of defeat that had invaded everyone else around him, felt the same need to ask 'why' God chose to not save Him, materializing everyone's thoughts in the famous cry directed at the sky. As a way to connect with his followers.

[Anonymous No.14833701]

>>14833108
Why would jesus believe in a sky daddy?

[Anonymous No.14833752]

>>14833631
>>14833556
heresy, Jesus is God made man not a Man in contact with God

[Anonymous No.14833800]

>>14833593
>>14833597
>>14833604
>>14833613
Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.14833807]

>>14833264
>The question is WHY did he quote that line from Psalm 22
You got it backwards. The people who made up the story chose to make him say that.

[Anonymous No.14833813]

>>14833638
The bible is altered by fake converted christians that are actually jews

[Anonymous No.14833837]

>>14833638
>>14833813
No, Jesus said “you have said it,” meaning Jesus never claimed this, Pilate did.

[Anonymous No.14833843]

>>14833037
He's quoting the words of his servant David.

[Anonymous No.14833847]

>>14833264
>The question is WHY did he quote that line from Psalm 22?
because it was written by an earthly king of Israel.

[Anonymous No.14834825]

>>14833037
He was asking for help, i guess?
A prayer which God did not answer because it wouldn't lead to God's glory

[Anonymous No.14834841]

>>14833461
>he decided Jesus wasn't God
It would've make a lot of sense if he was

[Anonymous No.14834937]

>>14834841
he was God made man, and man isn't God. Jesus wasn't God because he was God made man and God made man isn't equivalent to God. Yes, "Jesus is God", but obviously Jesus isn't God. You can't put God on a wooden cross and leave him to die.

[~[[[-_-]]]~ Urantia Thought Ad(...) No.14834979]

>>14833060
>>14833067
>>14833264
>>14833301
>>14833461

187:5.2. During this hour of approaching death the human mind of Jesus resorted to the repetition of many passages in the Hebrew scriptures, particularly the Psalms. The last conscious thought of the human Jesus was concerned with the repetition in his mind of a portion of the Book of Psalms now known as the twentieth, twenty-first, and twenty-second Psalms. While his lips would often move, he was too weak to utter the words as these passages, which he so well knew by heart, would pass through his mind. Only a few times did those standing by catch some utterance, such as, "I know the Lord will save his anointed," "Your hand shall find out all my enemies," and "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus did not for one moment entertain the slightest doubt that he had lived in accordance with the Father's will; and he never doubted that he was now laying down his life in the flesh in accordance with his Father's will. He did not feel that the Father had forsaken him; he was merely reciting in his vanishing consciousness many Scriptures, among them this twenty-second Psalm, which begins with "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" And this happened to be one of the three passages which were spoken with sufficient clearness to be heard by those standing by.

[Anonymous No.14834997]

>>14834979
>he didn't mean it
>it was all a ruse
I hope there is punishment for lazy theology in Heaven

[Anonymous No.14835044]

>>14834997
Urantian theology is the most advanced and sophisticated on the planet.

This makes traditionalists very butthurt but that is to be expected.

[Anonymous No.14835073]

Daily reminder that the trinity is a doctrine that only mouth breathing retards believe.

[Anonymous No.14835177]

Jesus Christ, how can people here talk in such a pretensious way as if they were studying Christian theology for like 30 years and thinking that they're smarter than everyone trying to say that Jesus quote this out of nowhere or other ridiculous stuff. You guys certainly never went into a biblical college in your childhood. You're lacking SIMPLE knowledge of the Bible claiming that you're the all mightys of biblical context.

People who said that he quote Psalm 22: you're correct. Yes, that's it. But to know WHY did he do that you have to understand the context of what an atonement is in the Jewish/Christian tradition.

When Jesus was in the cross he was bearing all the sins of mankind. Hence, he was a Scapegoat, just as the Old Testament foreshadows. So in this moment God the Father was making the Holy Justice punishing his own sun that decided to come and bear our transgressions that we wouldn't be able to suffer for ourselves. Only a God could pass this trial and only a man must pay for it. That's why Jesus is 100% God/100% Man. So that's why he claims, the same way he says "Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me."

Now stop being dickheads thinking that you can get down 2000 years of theology and history in a simple thread with only 5-6 sentences.

[Anonymous No.14835285]

>>14835177
And what makes you such an authoritative figure, that you can come in this thread in such a pretentious way as if you had been studying Christian theology for like 30 years, and thinking that they're smarter than everyone else in this thread.
Typical boomer mentality.

[Anonymous No.14835420]

>>14833310
The trinity is not polytheism and mooslims should not be listened to on matters of the Christ. Heresy is the definition of Islam, shoo shoo turban man back to your herd of goats you are raising “for livestock “ (but actually bestiality)

[Anonymous No.14835497]

>>14835420
When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed:" They say: "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers Were void of wisdom and guidance? (Surah Al-Baqara, 170)

[Anonymous No.14835638]

>>14835177

Atonement is not a Scriptural idea, and a relative novelty even in Christophobic cults like Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.14835713]

>>14833461
16
Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17
All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18
They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

19
But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20
Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21
Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22
I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23
You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24
For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

25
From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26
The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

27
All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28
for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.

29
All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30
Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31
They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!

the psalm ends up being about the greatness of God, but presumably having his body torn to shreds prevented him from saying every stanza. you have a very subversive mind.

[Anonymous No.14835984]

I'm not one particularly inclined to faith but I have to say the whole Easter/crucifixion story is one of the most striking pieces of narrative ever put to paper. It's just so beautiful and warms tour heart in ways barely anything has ever done to me

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.14836040]

>>14833513

[Anonymous No.14836984]

>>14835638
That's not the point. It doesn't matter if is an appropriation or if it's an original practice/novelty among Christians. The point is that you have to understand the atonement culture inserted in the Christian narrative to catch the whole point that I'm laying down here.

[Anonymous No.14836989]

>>14835713
>>14834997

[Anonymous No.14836995]

>>14835285
Yeah, but where is your arguments?

Tipical zoomer mentality

[Anonymous No.14837167]

Didn't Jesus literally worship the Jewish god? Why do Christians worship the Jews??

[Anonymous No.14837261]

>>14837167
because christains (and muslims) are jews

[Anonymous No.14837300]

Old tradition says christ recited the whole psalter during his passion until this verse

[Anonymous No.14837313]

>>14835497
Shoo shoo goatfuckr

[Anonymous No.14837350]

What if Jesus clearly stated that there is no god and he is also a victim of the fraud? So crystal clearly and publicly stated with too many witnesses that they had to make up the whole revival scheme?

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.14837399]

>>14833037
If you were heroically impulsive and/or had imagination you would know the answer to that question.

[Anonymous No.14837403]

When Christ died on the cross, He really did die. It wasn't an illusion or a fake death. Christ truly did perish. He died in sacrifice of our sinfulness: His life and death demonstrates human sin and the glory of God, and on the cross He carried to His death the weight of all of our sins.

So, why did Christ say this on the cross? Because Christ is God, and we killed Him. When Christ died, the suffering He experienced was MAXIMAL and He experienced every manner of suffering: not just thirst and hunger, not just suffocation and agonizing pain, but shame, ostracization from his friends, pity for his mother, and guilt felt for his murderers. But lastly, He was momentarily forsaken by the Father Himself: the Light of the God was hidden from the Son, as we read in the Gospel:

>From noon on, darkness came over the whole land [or, earth] until three in the afternoon

The sun was blotted out, just as the Light of God was blotted out. I repeat: Jesus really did die. He didn't *wink wink* *nudge nudge* die, knowing with certainty that He was returning to His Father and everything will be okay. He died, fully and completely. We killed Him, fully and completely.

That the Savior felt rejected by God the Father in His death reveals the true extent of the sacrifice He made for you, anons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABnznhzdIY

[Anonymous No.14837428]

>>14833037
He realized god is not coming for him and he's gonna die.

[Anonymous No.14837441]

>Men of Israel, why do you wonder at this, or why do you stare at us, as though by our own power or piety we have made him walk? The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him. But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses. And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

>“And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that this Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

>God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

A few things to note: by Israel, we mean the Body of Christian believers. By Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, we typify Faith, Hope, and Charity. As Aquinas notes,

>"Abraham begot Isaac, and Isaac begot Jacob," says, i.e. "faith begets hope, and hope begets charity." But charity is love. Therefore love is caused by hope.

See, Abraham is considered the father of Faith. And "Faith" is a certainty in the fundamental questions of life. Hope is an assured belief in a future good, and this can only come in its pure form when Faith is certain. And when you can Hope in the pure form, then you can experience the Love of God, which motivates all good thought and action. These prophets, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, demonstrate and represent as symbols faith, hope, and charity respectively.

[Anonymous No.14837452]

>>14833037
I believe that a man agonising to death is able to cry out in a loud voice.

[Anonymous No.14837459]

>>14837350
What if your mom is actually a reptilian who turns tricks for crack cocaine?

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>>14837441
Now note also a few more things. Why is "walk" so often used as a term in the Bible? Because walking is the optimal method of arriving at a destination over a long period of time. Heaven cannot be reached by sitting and waiting, nor can it be reached by running and sprinting. It is too far to be had by running -- you will tire out. You must walk to righteousness every day. It is a long way away, but with Jesus' yoke, with his rod and staff, it is a walk that every man can perform.

So the Apostles always admonish to walk, not to run. Running is spiritual pride, biting off more than you can chew. Staying put is spiritual despondency, not making the effort to improve yourself in the ways of Christ.

>“Arise, pick up your mat, and walk.”

Arise is the same for "awaken", and the same word for Christ's rising from the dead. Awaken to the greater spiritual reality in front of you. Pick up your mat, because Christ does allow rest and his burden is easy. But walk -- don't run -- walk, consistently and humbly, toward the New Earth.

Now note that Christ commands us to take up and carry our cross. Why? Because Christ's crucifixion isn't just the Great Sacrifice, but it "accomplishes all things". If you can crucify yourself with Christ then you can handle all manner of physical, emotional, social, and spiritual pain. Meditate on the crucifixion! There is no Heaven without crucifixion. No one be improved by God except through crucifixion. We crucify our bodies and our passions, our pride, our sins. We gladly suffer greatly knowing the paradise that awaits us on the other side.

[Anonymous No.14837484]

>>14833065
What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.14837709]

>>14833101
You had to be there, man.

[Anonymous No.14838072]

>>14836989
He did mean it though. The Psalm is about a man in deep suffering wondering whether God has forsaken him because of how great he suffers, but his faith rallies and delivers him. It seems likely that Christ experienced the same temptation to despair we all do, and in that moment expressed one of the most profound psalms on the subject. The new testament mentions that Christ experienced temptation as He was fully human, so I really don't understand what you're driving at. Anybody who is going to take it for granted that He died on the cross also takes it for granted He rose again, meaning He didn't renounce God.

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He was weak. Behold the God who bleeds!

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>>14834979
>it has no significance at all pure random chance

[Anonymous No.14839141]

>>14837313
Did Jezus learned you this way of language?

[Anonymous No.14839374]

The Greek text might have embellished it a little. The Aramaic verb šbq in "l'mah sh'vaqtháni" (lama sabachthani) is a basic word for leaving or forgiving as in "leaving be" or maybe "letting off/go" etc. So "My God, my God, why hast thou left me?"

http://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=%24bq%20V&cits=all

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>>14833101
The parables. He knew he'd be used as a mouthpiece. His dense disciples and the gospel writers didn't understand them, so the message got passed onto us unmolested.

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>>14833037
Christ has been in a long relationship with he Demiurge. At his last moment, after ignoring the devil's evil offerings time and time again, he cries out to him instead, asking why he acts the way he does. It's the first and final peace offering with the devil before he permanently fucks his shit up.