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[Anonymous No.14831648]

How do we defeat the centrist threat?

[Anonymous No.14831659]

>>14831648
I wonder if centrists are centrist about centrism?

[Anonymous No.14831665]

>>14831648
By burning the fence

[Anonymous No.14831685]

>>14831648
By making America more mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.14831690]

>>14831685
This
Why are Americans so childish what happened?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14831741]

>>14831690
Capitalism

[Anonymous No.14831744]

>>14831648
The trajectory can be expanded to include the entire lower left corner.

[Anonymous No.14831757]

I'm a centrist. First because I see good arguments on all sides and I think they some of the times they just can't go together, but some other times they do. I also think there are horrible aspects to each side, some historic more than theoric, others more on the principles than its history, and that if you pick any one of them sides to take it to heart, you'll sell your soul trying to justify some of these issues, while I don't think we should have any commitment to mistakes of the past. I think if you say something generic like "a good society is made with good education", then everyone can agree with and the debate could start on from there, we leave what it means to have a good education, or how to pay for it and deliver it for later. This debate can be developped in a frank manner, slowly and steady. But I also think the center is not just the midpoint between two extreme ideas or the center of that graph, not necessarily, we can have strong firm ideological positions that some would consider to be left or right depending on their point of view, I don't think we have single flag to fight for a territory, but several ones depending on the subject and they have various degrees of importance, some are background principles, that could make you call yourself center-left or center-right for example, but others are more subtle and don't fall anywhere. I also don't think that is my sole personal case or choice, I think most people of all places don't know much about the subjects they talk to and we have to be humble about our real knowledge of politics and economics, and I'd bet that it's just a very tiny fraction of a minority would actually settle for any of the extremes if they sit and study the problems throughly. They do like to call themselves this and that because it's easier to discuss, to point the other as "the" problem and to address other people from one's own heterogeneous group who disagree as people who didn't get the pure version of the label you set for yourself. Count me out of that. I'm not afraid of brain control or indoctrination, we can we should read things we disagree and make an effort to agree and see their point, regardless if we retain or change our ideas in the end, usually either way they come out better then if you were to set camp early on and it's always too early if you want to learn more about the world.

[Anonymous No.14831762]

>>14831648
Definitely by voting for Bernie cock smoking Sanders.
>>14831741
I don't think anyone could have predicted you all of people would answer that. Nuts!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE No.14831780]

political violence in all shapes and forms, no matter where it comes from. man's true nature is the only argument you need against the effete centrist liboid.

oh whats that? you support incrementalist "rational" policy making? lets see how far your weak ass representative democracy and electoralism will take you when i smash your head open like a fruit

[Anonymous No.14831803]

>>14831648
Imagine not being centrist. What a fucking whimsical cuck you’d be to follow an extreme ideology just be part of a club.

[Anonymous No.14831808]

>>14831757
Okay, but there are certain factors that are determinant of your political allegiance. Many people have scattered opinions if examined in high resolution. Yet, there are potential decisions that require commitment, ultimately you are either for the status quo or a change, to a direction that can not contain every possible angle.

[Anonymous No.14831809]

>>14831803
Imagine not following an extremist ideology and calling those that do cucks

[Anonymous No.14831810]

>>14831757
>I'm a centrist
stopped reading lol

[Anonymous No.14831813]

>>14831808
Centrism can decide on policies no problemo.

[Anonymous No.14831814]

>>14831803
Not being a centrist is very alienating and lonely actually.

[Anonymous No.14831819]

>>14831809
Yeah, cucks you are. Fapping to your YouTube idols. I know you do, gayboy. With your sweaty Dorito fingers.

[Anonymous No.14831824]

>>14831814
Lie of the century. Go to pol, that’s the majority trendy opinion. Centrists are the victims of mobbing by compulsive YouTube wankers.

[Anonymous No.14831842]

>>14831648
More like how do we genocide all non-centrist so we can finally have a world of peace and happiness for all?

[Anonymous No.14831859]

>>14831813
Okay but ultimately you still have to decide if power is centralized or decentralized, what range of freedoms is granted to the subject, etc. Making a decision on principle policies is automatically taking a side.

[Anonymous No.14831860]

bernie COCK SMOKING sanders woohoo! socialism woohoo!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14831864]

>>14831814
Sometimes we just find ourselves in the wrong crowd. Centrists are just coping, going with the flow, taking the path of least resistance, etc.
Intellectually lazy

>>14831780
stfu

[Anonymous No.14831868]

>>14831808
And I agree, that's what I meant by what makes one center-left or center-right for example. But it's funny if you say you're either, people will hear only the "left/right" part and pretend centrism is just a trick to conceal one's true extreme ideological position.

[Anonymous No.14831870]

>>14831864
>Intellectually lazy
>t. ideologue that gives single word answers of 'capitalism' regarding anything he disagrees with

[Anonymous No.14831871]

>>14831648
Centrism doesn't refer to the ideological center. It's about not challenging the status quo centers of power.

[Anonymous No.14831874]

>>14831648
That guy is a massive faggot. I hate him.

[Anonymous No.14831889]

>tfw feel when voting Biden just to dab on bernie cock smoking sanders paypigs

[Anonymous No.14831906]

>>14831859
Agree but I don’t see the contradiction

[Anonymous No.14831913]

>>14831864
Bitch, isn't your praxis like two hundred fucking years old?

[Anonymous No.14831917]

>>14831868
>>14831906
You are not true centrists, just moderate agents of ideology.

[Anonymous No.14831929]

>>14831757
>I'm a centrist
yeah, we can tell immediately by that unreadable wall of text. Centrists have zero sense of aesthetics

[Anonymous No.14831942]

>>14831929
Fuck centrist "aesthetics"

[Anonymous No.14831954]

By reading Critque of pure reason

[Anonymous No.14831960]

>>14831819
I don't watch a lot of youtube. Mostly music and history videos. Centrism is by definition mainstream and thus npc

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14831961]

>>14831870
Single word, but it can be traced back to the system that turns out such people. Don’t give me that “human nature” bs.

>>14831913
No.

[Anonymous No.14831982]

>>14831961
>Single word, but it can be traced back to
required reading of every educated person to have lived and died in the last 150 years. The intellectual laziness is definitely them and certainly not you.
Weren't you saying like a week ago that Bernie was going to win?

[Anonymous No.14831994]

Fuck centrists. They think they're above everything just because they're fence sitters.
>but all sides have some good/bad parts
True but you still need to pick one. I have more respect for fucking commie fags then centrist pussies

[Anonymous No.14832039]

>go into bathroom
>lock the door
>turn the lights off
>spin in circles
>"capitalism...capitalism...capitalism"
>repeat for 1.0 hour
+2 IQ

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !dyke9/c/vg No.14832074]

>>14832039
Hmmm...capitalism

[Anonymous No.14832119]

>>14831648
You have to beat memers with a meme ideology like accelerationism.

>>14831889
Based. Fucking up your future for the keks.

>>14831994
The ones I know personally aren't that bad, they just afraid to look beyond what's sold to them on the surface.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !dyke9/c/vg No.14832121]

>>14832119
>Based. Fucking up your future for the keks
Are you gonna cry about it?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE No.14832131]

>>14831762
>>14831860
>>14831889
why is there a baby boomer on my board?

[Anonymous No.14832137]

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !dyke9/c/vg No.14832138]

>>14832131
bernie cock smoke sander

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !vYDuiInvv2 No.14832140]

>>14831994
>He chooses one of the only two sides that's already set on its stance to every political issue.
>He doesn't cherry-pick preferences to every issue.
Imagine the cope these bipartisan cucks go through.

[Anonymous No.14832148]

>>14831810
Fascist

[Anonymous No.14832149]

>>14832121
Why would I? People acting against their self interest out of fear of change is too basic. And still somewhat fascinating to observe. Even inspiring in a weird way.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !dyke9/c/vg No.14832155]

>>14832149
Just checking. Sounded like you were gonna cry about it.

[Anonymous No.14832161]

>>14832155
Thanks for being mindful!

[Anonymous No.14832164]

>>14831994
cry harder, or grow up at last.

[Anonymous No.14832167]

>>14831757
NOOO. YOURE NOT SUPPOSE TO UNITE UNDER LOGIC. MAKE YOUR CULTS AND ONLY ARGUE FOR THE SAKE OF BEING THE SMARTEST REEEEEE

[Anonymous No.14832169]

>>14832148
Yes

[Anonymous No.14832186]

>>14831994
What if I'm a centrist not because I'm a fence sitter, but because I genuinely believe that the right mix of left and right-wing principles would be the golden ratio for an economic system?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14832194]

>>14831982
>Weren't you saying like a week ago that Bernie was going to win?
I’ve been saying Since 2016 he, or rather that platform, is sure to win against Trump. The DNC/CIA/oligarchy don’t want him to win so will likely cheat him in as *ambiguous* a way as possible. But despite having the mainstream media, quite a lot of people know what’s going on.
The majority of America want a return to Rooseveltian New Deal Democracy. But I doubt they’ll get it. Not through votes, not through protests.
I of course want actual socialism and no centralized government.

>>14831889
>Heh heh heh. Capitalists-cucks gotta stick together

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !vYDuiInvv2 No.14832223]

>>14832194
Actual socialism isn't possible, because so long as the system is run by humans, there will be dishonest people. Your paradise-- not too different from mine, it's unattainable. You're surrounded by filth that will exploit any freebie they can apply for, and others above us that would make resources disappear if it meant they could barter it for something else.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14832237]

>>14832223
Remove accumulative currency and you change the very malleable mind of men

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE No.14832240]

>>14832186
if you put economics first you're a dog brained bugman insectoid and probably jewish

[Anonymous No.14832244]

>>14831824
>Go to pol
Are you saying that 4chan users obsessed with politics and black cock aren't lonely people?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE No.14832248]

>>14832164
shut the fuck up pussy

[Anonymous No.14832269]

>>14832194
>>14832223
>>14832240
3 different butterflies now? What the fuck happened?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !vYDuiInvv2 No.14832284]

>>14832237
If you do that, the work ethic will plummet.
Overtime won't be a thing, because people's time to spend with their family/friends will be center focus.
Going to work will be like going to school... "Gotta' look busy. And then I go home."
I'm sure a lot of wagies already kind of feel this way, but there will probably be a lot of people with blue-collar jobs/trades thinking the same way.

[Anonymous No.14832306]

>>14832194
>The majority of America want a return to Rooseveltian New Deal Democracy
You made the bed, now lie in it and only in your hive bugmen shitropolises. You're trapped in here with us, not the reverse. [[Sanders-Klob-Bloomberg]]-Biden-Assfuck -- all wonderful foreign agent options to guarantee Gadafi mk. II, steal the gold boogaloo in Syria/xyz people of the book janissary idiocy (and a world war for banking to complete it's past due centennial inflation reset).

[Anonymous No.14832313]

>>14832284
>people who barely earn shit are motivated to go to work by their earnings
I don't even.

[Anonymous No.14832317]

>>14831659
most likely
another reason it's boring as heck

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14832328]

>>14832284
>the work ethic will plummet
Hohoho. No.
> Overtime won't be a thing
Good. We’d seriously benefit from all that.

>>14832306
>Schizo posting
You heard me, kid.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !vYDuiInvv2 No.14832343]

>>14832313
I genuinely don't understand what you meant. Are you agreeing? Disagreeing?
>>14832328
It's just human nature. WHAT would incentivize someone that earns no money to go out and give one third of every working day of their life, knowing they will be fed/clothed/given a car anyhow?

[Anonymous No.14832350]

>>14832328
>>14832343
I came for this. This, right here, is why I came.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14832374]

>>14832343
I see switching to a non accumulative currency as a transitory step to a moneyless world, but it’s all way off after I’ve passed away. They need the same things as before, but this way, they benefit from their minimal amount of work. Ages past we worked far less, and now we have the benefit of a lot of technology and machinery. The only reason we suffer is the ruling class and their enforcers

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !vYDuiInvv2 No.14832409]

>>14832374
>non accumulative currency
Expand on that. What is that? What, you're allowed a digital 'bank account' with limited space?
>Ages past we worked far less
Yea'.
>and now we have the benefit of...
Mm. Can't agree with you there, but I'll leave that alone, since I'm assuming you want tech to enable everyone limited space bank accounts

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14832443]

>>14832409
Aka vouchers. A system that was hard if not impossible to make work without computers. Paul Cockshott goes into much more detail here.
You pay for time spent on something and it gets canceled out not stored in a till or bank account. Since no one can work more than a reasonable amount of time, no one’s going to be rich beyond reason. All resources go to the community. Cockshott may be a statist, but there’s no reason anarchists or democratic confederalists can’t use this too.

We don’t benefit from technology so much now because it’s still capitalism. Self driving cars about to put trucker and über driver out of work, would be a boon to a socialist society.
Something’s got to crack.

[Anonymous No.14832457]

>>14832443
> Since no one can work more than a reasonable amount of time, no one’s going to be rich beyond reason
The idea seems interesting but why would one reward work for time and not for the task done?

[Anonymous No.14832480]

>>14831824
/pol/ is currently doing victory laps laughing at all the redditors who thought their echo chamber reflected reality. A little self reflection goes a long way.

[Anonymous No.14832494]

>>14831864
>examining each issue on its merits instead of lazily parroting an ideology
>least resistance

huh?

[Anonymous No.14832516]

im probably ignoring a lot of discussion above, but what's so bad about centrism? why must you have a singular well-defined operating principle beyond "it depends on a case-by-case basis"

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !vYDuiInvv2 No.14832530]

>>14832443
You know what. In a world without ever-increasing faggotry pervading my fucking media, I'd give this guy's system a shot. But, it would take a lot of culturing to get people onboard with this. And then to finally transition from one system to another, that's a lot of ground to cover.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14832562]

>>14832457
It’s rather commensurate don’t you think?

>>14832516
I think the trouble lies more in where we place this center. It’s more of a lapdog to the status quo, which is authoritarian leaning neoliberalism and getting us all into deep trouble. A healthier way is through balance, not centrism.

>>14832530
I know. I wish I wasn’t such a meek mouse. I have to find some charismatics organizers

>human nature.
Haha. Just read a passage in Morris’ News from Nowhere addressing this. Nice book.

[Anonymous No.14832573]

>>14831757

[Anonymous No.14832577]

>>14832562
>balance, not centrism.
i cherish my ignorance of political philosophy, so you'll have to explain this

corollary: can there be a radical centrism/balance?

[Anonymous No.14832600]

>>14831648
srsly tho, why does this guy always have a smug look

[Anonymous No.14832603]

>>14832573
Not one person in this picture is self fulfilled and only chases its tail

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.14832603,1]

Even the whole determinism/free will debate I think compatibalism is right