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Anonymous Sat Feb 29 14:08:57 2020 No.14809855 [Reply] [Original]

This man had the gall to preach self-help, self-improvement, supposedly a way to pick yourself up instead of disintegrating completely.

But, he disintegrated completely. Everything that he wrote and advised is suspect now - clearly, it doesn't work. Perhaps it was just a big cope, a product of a sick mind, faulty and dangerous. The best thing for psychologically struggling people would be to stay away from his teachings as far as possible. Who knows how much harm he has caused?

Suddenly, he had all this authority. And he used it all in order to make as much money as possible. Why did this man need a patreon? Wasn't he making enough from his job, online services, youtube and merchandise? No, he needed to write a new book, and tour the world like a rock band. He rambled on endless topics to impressionable crowds, promoting himself and selling tickets, high on drugs.

And now, in truly Biblical fashion, the Lord has struck him down. RIP

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 14:11:34 2020 No.14809866 I liked him until he started to shill his daughter/sell expensive lobster merch. His Instagram is fucking creepy now the poor guy totally lost it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 14:53:07 2020 No.14810046 Why should the key to his chains be the same as the key to yours?

Anonymous Sat Feb 29 14:55:22 2020 No.14810062

>>14809855
Peterson's got the vibe of one of Marilyn Ferguson's Aquarian Conspirators ,a 'hip' presbyterian or unitarian cleric from suburban toronto in the 70s, the sort to reject stale orthodoxy for 'far out' vaguely countercultural ideas like campbell's, de chardin's, as well as fitting the profile of the transatlantic elite social engineer, at one point a member of the harvard faculty and a consultant at UNESCO.

Anonymous Sat Feb 29 14:59:44 2020 No.14810081

>>14809866
>His Instagram is fucking creepy now the poor guy totally lost it
It's just a money making scheme, probably run by some intern. It just spits out random "profound" quotes every hour to generate clicks, complete with the black and white photos of the professor himself.

Anonymous Sat Feb 29 15:04:01 2020 No.14810099
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>>14810062
I like the meat diet detail, ah the dubious fad diets so dear to the Aquarian bourgeoisie. He does attain a sort of agon and pathos, I mean as much as it is possible for such a postmodern and erzatz character. Deutsches Romantisches Chaos Order angst, were given the flow imperative, chaos is always bound to win out.

Universities increasingly behave like psychiatric institutions, already the largest employers in many american states. free college? better yet, abolish college. the real lesson from the 60s: it is we the students who are the true wretched of the earth. you are in the total institution for life, an atomizing foucaultian labrynth of bureaucracy, CBT, social media surveillance, TV psychonormalisation, mental illness booms due to information overload and flattening of cultural depth, identity based category sorting. therapeutic conceptions of the self and pop culture have taken over from religion. the changing images of man SRI campbell ferguson spook new age phase of these processes(of which peterson is a late exponent) has a certain quaintness nowadays, as I'd admit being raised by rough around the edges narcissistic bobo hippie types, mere protoypes, definitely not full institutional subjects

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 16:22:05 2020 No.14810485 >>14809855 The problem is that he never applied shit of what he preached except unironically the most zog parts (take ur meds goy)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 16:23:18 2020 No.14810494 Jordan Peterson is incredibly /lit/, the irony is so delicious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 19:13:45 2020 No.14811264 >>14809855 >just pick yourself by the bootstraps bucko peak false consciousness

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 19:35:27 2020 No.14811361 I have questions: Why the fuck has he been in Russia all these months?? I’m not tin foil hat by nature, but there’s something very suspect about all this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 20:11:33 2020 No.14811489 >>14810081 >random profound quotes They’re all Peterson quotes anon. Glad you think he’s profound

Anonymous Sat Feb 29 20:14:40 2020 No.14811501

>>14810494
/lit/ doesn’t know shit about psychology and Peterson probably grasps Piaget and Rogers better than anybody. /lit/ wishes they could make the complex ontological problems into practical psychological ones, but their IQ is too low to do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 20:22:29 2020 No.14811524 >>14809855 I think its cruel to attack him for struggling, but he is a pretty clear indication of why the replication crisis is a worrying trend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 20:31:07 2020 No.14811545 >>14809855 >You shall know them by their fruits

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 20:43:09 2020 No.14811571 >>14809855 looking forward to his triumphant return, or his humble autobiography, or something other than the feeding on his virtual corpse

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 20:45:44 2020 No.14811577 >>14811361 He's a vegetable. Literally braindead.

Anonymous Sat Feb 29 21:18:27 2020 No.14811658

His personal problems have no connection of any kind to his observations, opinions, or advice. Rush Limbaugh was addicted to pills, does that mean his comments on the economy, politics, pop culture, Hollywood, Russia, Islam, China, or anything else "is now suspect"?
You could name a hundred names of people who had scandals... if Michelangelo was found to have been gay, does that mean his artwork "is now suspect"? If Ryan Holiday or any of the modern purveyors of Stoicism are found to be druggies and sex perverts, does that mean Stoic Philosophy "is now suspect"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:40:19 2020 No.14812180 >>14811658 I used to like Peterson a lot, but c'mon, he's a self-help guru who couldn't help himself. There's some amusing irony here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:45:49 2020 No.14812203 >>14811658 >If Ryan Holiday or any of the modern purveyors of Stoicism are found to be druggies and sex perverts, does that mean Stoic Philosophy "is now suspect"? yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:46:27 2020 No.14812207 >>14811577 source?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:46:49 2020 No.14812208 >>14809855 Classic "do as I say, not as I do" kind of person. Why should we believe you? Because you have some fancy degrees? If he really wants to change people's lives he should lead by example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:48:20 2020 No.14812213 >>14811658 Rush Limbaugh's comments have always been suspect, so it comes as no surprise that he had a pill addiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:48:44 2020 No.14812214 >>14809855 There has been nothing in his behavior which contradicts what he "preached" to his audience. Prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 29 23:49:32 2020 No.14812220 >>14812214 Are you saying he gave bad advice?

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 01:33:12 2020 No.14812596

>>14809855
>This man had the gall to preach self-help, self-improvement, supposedly a way to pick yourself up instead of disintegrating completely
I mean, it's by far not the first time that has happened. You can only preach goodness and lawfulness like you're the second coming of Jesus when you're in the spotlight for so long that your inner demons and skeletons in the closet become unearthed or succumb to your more base proclivities that the public will see you as the fraud you are. Honestly, how can you be so surprised?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 01:58:19 2020 No.14812650 >>14809855 He was a materialist wrapped with a thin candy coating of spiritualism. I think everyone got disappointed after that bit through and found that all to familiar bland center.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:04:08 2020 No.14812669

Is there anyone, ANYONE, that actually practices what they preach and are better for it? Even that guy who wrote that meditation book that gets posted around here apparently banged prostitutes behind his wife's back. Who in this world is worth listening to?

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Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:14:35 2020 No.14812695

>>14809855
Honestly, i am better off knowing Peterson and it kinda bothers be he is so shat on here. For myself, he is net positive, and that's what i am thankful for.

I don't find it surprising or ironic, that man who speaks about how to deal with your shit has actually own shit to deal with himself.

One could even argue dealing with his own problems gives him more empathy and understanding for problems of others. I am not following the gossip, so i have no idea how he is doing right now, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:16:24 2020 No.14812702 >>14809855 Marry a product of Moloch, experience the burn in hell.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:17:14 2020 No.14812706

you know... I love peterson (please don't shit on me). He was my introduction into the psychology of myth and I really find it a fascinating field. Some of his rules I found so inspiring and hopeful. But now its hard to know if his 12 rules really work, if he himself is addicted to anxiety pills.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:20:55 2020 No.14812714 >>14812669 Well we killed God remember? So now we're left with petty gods that dole out bullshit so we can cope pathetically in our lives. Shadows chasing shadows looking for meaning in the dark.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:23:01 2020 No.14812718 >>14812706 That's good. It's too easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater these days. I too think Peterson did some good overall. Did he come up short in the end, sure. But he's only human.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:27:46 2020 No.14812730 >>14809855 he's on a hero's journey, dont worry guys

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:31:55 2020 No.14812746 >>14809855 Only sick minds are drawn to self improvement memes.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:46:44 2020 No.14812793

>>14811658
>Rush Limbaugh was addicted to pills, does that mean his comments on the economy, politics, pop culture, Hollywood, Russia, Islam, China, or anything else "is now suspect"?
No, because he's not giving advice on or telling people how to handle addiction or pills. He's giving opinions on social/political issues. And you probably could give advice or principles on something you had a problem with if you overcame it.
>If Ryan Holiday or any of the modern purveyors of Stoicism are found to be druggies and sex perverts, does that mean Stoic Philosophy "is now suspect"?
They're not the true original Stoics.

I think you need to see what people are really arguing about Peterson. Because there's a sense where you're coming from the right place, because in this instance it wasn't necessarily only his fault with the meds (and I think he's condoned psych meds secondarily, anyway).
The problem with him is that he spent a whole career giving fairly cutting and dogmatic principles (rules), based on psychology, and pathologizing positions he disagreed with (like the SJWs or the so called alt right), as if they were beneath him and only sprung from collective personality flaws, yet he's categorically failed in living up that standard. He didn't just give the advice, he implied that not doing so makes one's character questionable. Because he often connected his philosophy of life with his "radical individualism," he argued away those who disagreed with him as of questionable character and wisdom.
In the mind of Peterson, and many of his compatriots, they intimately associate the "ideology" of a person with their adherence to this "individualism." But it's arguing in bad faith, and dodges key questions of our time.
It's more than him just failing to live up (make no mistake, if these practical rules don't work for the originator, then who else?), or faltering in his personal life. It's the hypocrisy he wielded against so many people, communist and fascist alike.
>>14812706
His Jungian and mythological stuff isn't that bad. It's interesting to listen to, and clearly there is something to it.
I think it's because he's one of the rare few that practices this exegetical operation in the public eye.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 02:52:36 2020 No.14812807 >>14812220 He always had the position that SSRIs were good and useful, he said it in one of the lectures on his channel from before he got famous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:00:12 2020 No.14812835 >>14809855 Getting addicted to prescription medication isn’t a character failing, it’s biological. He took a medication, had a bad reaction to it, and is getting off it. What’s the big deal?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:01:27 2020 No.14812841 I think a lot of us realized from the start that he was a charlatan who saw his chance to peddle some books and earn an easy buck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:05:46 2020 No.14812859 >>14811658 >does that mean his comments...[are] now suspect? No. His comments would be suspect even were he otherwise the most pious man on earth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:13:51 2020 No.14812885 >>14812841 >I think a lot of us realized Oh no, /lit/ was all the way up Peterson's ass.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:17:38 2020 No.14812895 >>14812835 Yahweh struck him down.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:17:47 2020 No.14812899

>But, he disintegrated completely. Everything that he wrote and advised is suspect now - clearly, it doesn't work. Perhaps it was just a big cope, a product of a sick mind, faulty and dangerous. The best thing for psychologically struggling people would be to stay away from his teachings as far as possible. Who knows how much harm he has caused?

What a shit argument. You can't derive any value on his advice solely on the man's state himself. Judge the words on their own terms. You're going to a diploma mill with this frail thinking, how the fuck do you get by anywhere but a gender studies class?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:23:27 2020 No.14812918 >>14812675 The vices & problems he speaks about are ones w/ which he is experiencing? What a shock.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:24:35 2020 No.14812922 >>14812899 >muh formalism

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:29:15 2020 No.14812934 >>14812899 Wash your penis, faggot. Peterson skipped a day and ended up a vegetable in some Siberian gulag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:29:51 2020 No.14812936 >>14809855 https://youtube.com/watch?v=maXXTXIgpu8

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:30:57 2020 No.14812937 >>14812936 stop posting your gay videos faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 03:59:26 2020 No.14812996 >>14812885 Literally the opposite was true. Every time some newfag tried to start a thread worshiping him, he was shot down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:03:08 2020 No.14813004 There is a point where the man is divorced from his image that he becomes legend. No longer a man that bleeds, cries, farts, and dies but an idea to be distorted, corrupted, and inspired by.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:08:38 2020 No.14813017

>>14809855
I'm hardly a fan of his, but a lot of people came forward and thanked him for helping them turn their life around, so it does work. Besides, what's this trend where people try to stain his name and put a stint on him just because he needed help dealing with his wife's illness and death? You people are fucking pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:12:49 2020 No.14813032 File: 132 KB, 1242x1387, 1580950393567.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14809855 >Man falling victim to the very thing he tried to warn people about. I swear that I read this in a book somewhere...

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Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:16:48 2020 No.14813044

>>14813017
>for helping them turn their life around, so it does work
You do know that people thank random streamers and youtubers for saving their life as well, right? "I was depressed, and watching your cooking videos saved my life!" Just because they say it, doesn't make it true. People are emotional beings who bond even with people they don't know.
>he needed help dealing with his wife's illness and death?
He got hooked on pills before that, plus what sort of an excuse is that? It just makes it worse, his wife needed support, and not a drugged out zombie.
People make their own decisions, and Peterson decided to be a sleazy merchant, selling happiness and success. You know why he never admitting believing in God? Because then people would brand him as a cult leader.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:33:42 2020 No.14813073

>>14811658
>Rush Limbaugh was addicted to pills, does that mean his comments on the economy, politics, pop culture, Hollywood, Russia, Islam, China, or anything else "is now suspect"?
Perhaps not to an extreme degree depending on the context but honestly yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:37:11 2020 No.14813077 "Hey, don't you want to be a man, so you don't fall apart at your father's funeral and others can depend on you? Know how to be a real man? BENZOS, BUCKO. BUCKETS OF THEM."

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Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:40:18 2020 No.14813085

>>14811524
>I think its cruel to attack him for struggling
I think we're just responding in kind. Peterson shamelessly pathologized political and religious beliefs, using people's personal weaknesses to attack their belief systems. This is a cheap trick that a licensed therapist should know not to do as part of professional ethics, but he chose to make a living out of it. His entire argument against everything he doesn't like is "you're too weak to handle real life without your collectivist ideology", but now we find out he is too weak to handle life without pills. Poetic justice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:41:57 2020 No.14813089 >>14811501 >/lit/ wishes they could make the complex ontological problems into practical psychological ones You mean like every pseud who read Jung once? No thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:43:57 2020 No.14813097 >>14812936 Classic gymcel

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:46:10 2020 No.14813102 >>14811545 Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” - John 18:38 It depends what your definition of truth is. - Jordan Peterson

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:46:43 2020 No.14813103 >>14813042 That opinion is terrible and stupid and I want the four seconds it took to read it back. Nobody on 4chan should care at all about anything that ever comes from that website. Fuck you for posting it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:49:00 2020 No.14813112 >>14812207 His daughter said he could not speak and could not walk without help. We don't actually know if he will recover, or to what extent. Benzos are a hell of a drug to withdraw from.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 04:57:56 2020 No.14813138

>>14812180
What Peterson wrote/said still holds true, how many people die from the same shit he just went through?

I bet people die from shit like this everyday.

He at least took his own advice and followed through with getting help. People shitting on him for taking care of his problems are genuinely stupid.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:15:06 2020 No.14813178

>>14813138
>What Peterson wrote/said still holds true
When will you realize that the man was nothing but a parasite? His every action had only one goal: making money. Being a professor wasn't paying enough, so he had various business ventures as well. But no, gotta start a patreon, get yt money, get instagram money, sell books, sell tickets, sell fucking rugs. The man preyed on the weak, and I'm sorry, but you were one of them.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:31:18 2020 No.14813228

>>14813178

Yeah, imagine that... A psychologist helping people who feel they are in need of help, what a fucking parasite.

Him making money on books and donations so he no longer needs to worry about his job is not something I find to be parasitic.

Why should he not get his message out? Whats wrong with uploading lectures that the viewers themselves wanted?

Be honest, you haven't actually read or head him at length, you just get your opinion of him from the media, maybe a random youtuber who shits on him a little bit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:37:12 2020 No.14813240 When was the tipping point when Peterson oficially reached lolcow status? I think it was at the carnivore diet thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:39:53 2020 No.14813246 >>14813228 >helping people No. >>14813240 >When was the tipping point when Peterson oficially reached lolcow status? His birth.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:46:03 2020 No.14813262 Just remember, when you set out to slay the dragon and rescue your father from the bottom of the ocean, keep your bottles of xanax and valium wrapped in plastic so those sUckers don't get wet. WET BENZOS ARE NOT GOOD, BUCKO.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:47:25 2020 No.14813267 Benzo addiction can happen to anyone

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 05:59:31 2020 No.14813311

>>14809855
>And now, in truly Biblical fashion, the Lord has struck him down. RIP
Remember when 'the Lord' used an earthquake in Mexico to flatten that church, killing thirty men, women and children while simaultaneously allowing hundreds of inmates to escape from a nearby prison?
Praise!
The real mystery is why would you shit on someone who's living values and having some success....oh right, you can't do either of those.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:04:36 2020 No.14813336

>>14813311
>The real mystery is why would you shit on someone who's living values and having some success....oh right, you can't do either of those.
This, I'd rather shit down. Fuck all the unsuccessful people.
>the Lord' used an earthquake in Mexico to flatten that church
> allowing hundreds of inmates to escape from a nearby prison
With how the cartels own the police, allowing gang members do literally whatever they want, I wonder who actually was in that prison. I mean, they literally hire police to do their killings. Mexico is pretty much Sodom and Gomorrah with the shit that's going down there.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:24:39 2020 No.14813404

>Look at how contrarian I am for allegedly disliking Peterson when he was popular, you sheep
You people are scum lmao. He was an interesting guy when he was popular on 4chan but not universally popular and making money out of it. He just ventured too far.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:31:01 2020 No.14813434 File: 9 KB, 160x208, Ray-Peat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14809855 Mental health is all biological energy and hormone function, of course crypto-idealist conceptions of "willing" yourself into better health do not work.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:34:13 2020 No.14813446

>>14809866
Same here.
I actually enjoyed his lectures on psychoanalytic method. If he stayed with that, that would be brilliant. He has a great way of articulating complex ideas and relating them to various contexts.
The politics and sales bullshit is inexcusable though.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:44:16 2020 No.14813481

Zizek absolutely destroyed Peterson before they even stepped on stage together when he talked previously about his hatred for "wisdom", which is just another word for sophistry that can make contradictory things sound equally plausible or "profound". This is exactly what Peterson does, he makes "wise" platitudes that appeal to lowest denominator sensibilities, people who don't have much resistance to bullshit that sympathises with their precarious social position, while also gently, sternly nudging them towards vague self-improvement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 06:56:14 2020 No.14813528 >>14813481 This. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIQp4KMwqwk

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:02:29 2020 No.14813549

>>14812669
>Even that guy who wrote that meditation book that gets posted around here apparently banged prostitutes behind his wife's back.
that one and the cope on the meditation community was great, they basically started saying that well enlightenment is just lobotomizing yourself to pain and it doesn't make you a good person in any way, or that actually banging 10 prostitutes behind your wife's back is ok because sex work is real work

still kind of like the guy and the book

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:03:26 2020 No.14813555 >>14812669 >>14813549 Who was this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:07:38 2020 No.14813572 >>14813481 >Zizek absolutely destroyed Peterson I keep hearing that, but what i remember from the debate was mostly two guys agreeing with each other about foolishness of pursuit of happiness and necessity to find some other purpose.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:19:22 2020 No.14813612

Just remember folks that there are horrible people that did good things and very good people that didn't do anything. If someone comes up with a great idea on how to improve yourself, but that guy himself is a scumbag, how does that alter the idea itself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:27:46 2020 No.14813635 Lost all respect for him after this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT82V08nM1A

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:28:36 2020 No.14813641

>>14809855
Perhaps it was just a big cope, a product of a sick mind, faulty and dangerous. The best thing for psychologically struggling people would be to stay away from his teachings as far as possible.

I agree, but I think this applies to most forms of self-help teachings.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:29:25 2020 No.14813645

>>14813572
That's because Zizek was being polite and restraining himself because it wasn't "technically" a debate. He even says as much at one point when he gently teases Peterson for being a bit of an idiot, and Peterson doesn't even try to defend himself. Zizek is the sorta dude who likes to find points of convergence between himself and his opponent, anyway, and despite their vast disparity in intellectual rigour they do have quite a lot in common.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:30:21 2020 No.14813648 >>14813555 the author of The Mind Illuminated, he seems unironically a good guy

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:31:28 2020 No.14813657 File: 38 KB, 635x360, 1565228572742.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14813612 >If someone comes up with a great idea on how to improve yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:31:52 2020 No.14813658 >>14813645 Zizek is not a good debater, he is just more energetic, friendlier, and good at signalling how well read he is without saying much

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:35:37 2020 No.14813674

>>14813658
>Zizek is not a good debater
Well, yeah, because its as I said, he doesn't really want to debate, he wants to find kernels of truth that he and his opponent can agree on, despite the other pervasive differences in their opinions. Though that's not to say he isn't capable, if you've seen the video of him at a marxist forum responding to criticism of his attitudes towards blacks and immigrants you know he doesn't take any shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:40:17 2020 No.14813693 >>14813674 he still got cancelled never to be seen again

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:40:20 2020 No.14813694 I'm surprised by how much people absolutely hates the guy like he came into their homes and trashed it. It's pathetic.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:40:54 2020 No.14813695
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He got too big too fast. That's the only problem, if he would've just stuck to talking about Jung and psychology with self-help sprinkled in here and there and kept the politics to a minimum, no one would have a problem with him. Instead, he wrote "12 rules for life", went full self-help shill and started debating feminists on morning shows 24/7, got high on his fame and money and bought into his own bullshit. Throw some cancer in the family into that already unstable mess and you got present day Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:42:20 2020 No.14813701 >>14813674 >if you've seen the video of him at a marxist forum responding to criticism of his attitudes towards blacks and immigrants you know he doesn't take any shit sounds fun, source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:43:54 2020 No.14813706 >>14813695 I agree on the politics but he never would have become well known without the pronouns fiasco, which was completely justified. His opinions about Marx etc. are bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:43:55 2020 No.14813707 >>14810099 I like your hot take on modernity. Tell me more. Is there any way of escape?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:45:51 2020 No.14813711 >>14813694 It´s always fun to watch when someone who pridefuly moralized others, gets humiliated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:45:56 2020 No.14813712 >>14813695 This. Success destroys those undeserving of it

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:47:45 2020 No.14813717

>>14813706
>he never would have become well known without the pronouns fiasco
True, but he should've stuck to that instead of getting his farts collectively sniffed for years and then go debate Zizek without even knowing who he was. Instead of sticking with what he knew with an occasional JRE appearance here and there, he got high on his own supply and started believing he was some sort of saviour of western civilization. Dude should've stopped going on panel shows and stuck with his Bible series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:52:24 2020 No.14813730 File: 44 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One must admit it´s quite poetic how is his life resembling of those biblical stories, warning folks about improper behaviour, that he loved so much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:54:05 2020 No.14813733 >>14813717 >>14813717 For all that he had some amazing wins like the Kathy Numan video. Hindsight is 20/20. People can't be separated from their imperfections

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 07:55:34 2020 No.14813739 >>14813701 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tt8zpTwFSk

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:05:29 2020 No.14813775 >>14810099 I can't tell if this is schizoposting or Deleuzeposting. Or, are those two things one and the same?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:08:47 2020 No.14813785 File: 23 KB, 499x430, Like tears in the rain.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >invent carnivore diet >become vegetable Ironic

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:11:48 2020 No.14813796 >>14809855 How to be happy and glorify Capitalism at the same time? Choose one.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:15:07 2020 No.14813805

>>14809855

More to the point that dudebroism is a kind of autism. They only affirm the world inasmuch as it serves them well, and despair when it does not even more than the "weak", not because of wishful thinking but because of extreme intellectual disability.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:16:43 2020 No.14813814 >>14813694 I consider 4chan my home and with all the Peterson posting a couple of years back he basically did just that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:22:01 2020 No.14813829 I don’t trust anyone whose immediate, visceral reaction to Jordan Peterson upon being introduced wasn’t “I want to punch this cunt in the fucking face.”

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:26:26 2020 No.14813838 File: 1.40 MB, 1288x726, c8e5b69ec4e35d153b0b76c593c4b1e8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14812669 SOME of the pickup guys. Not only is it really hard though but you also need to balance it with spirituality and meaningful work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:28:13 2020 No.14813846 >>14813434 your mental health affects your hormones/neurotransmitters and subsequently your metabolism. nice try, jackass

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:31:21 2020 No.14813854 File: 474 KB, 649x939, 1582119575958.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14812669

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:32:20 2020 No.14813860 >>14813854 he got crucified though

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:55:36 2020 No.14813934 >>14811658 in a word: yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:58:35 2020 No.14813945 >>14810046 You should have referenced Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:59:20 2020 No.14813946 >>14813838 This but check out Roosh and become a Christian instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 08:59:49 2020 No.14813948 >>14813838 Fornicators should hang.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:00:51 2020 No.14813953 >>14812669 All men are fallen. The wisdom of this world is foolishness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:05:11 2020 No.14813964 >>14812675 Can’t belieb you don’t realize that’s photoshopped

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:19:55 2020 No.14814024
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>>14813707
Not the same anon, but I'm starting to think we have to push through it. Modernity is resistant to criticism in the same way that capitalism can commodify its own critique. Modernity can always reconfigure your critique in terms of nominalism, materialism and empiricism. Modernity can't be defeated, it can only be overcome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:21:05 2020 No.14814033 >>14814024 >Modernity can always reconfigure your critique in terms of nominalism, materialism and empiricism Absolutely correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:30:24 2020 No.14814075 >>14813948 You're never gonna be happy unless you can get laid and not be needy with women. You can literally have it all but if you're missing this you'll still be miserable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:31:42 2020 No.14814080 >>14814024 so in other words, it's up to the individual to adapt to modernity, and that trying rather to change modernity to cater to the individual is a pointless endeavour?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:32:08 2020 No.14814084 >>14813138 >What Peterson wrote/said still holds true Nah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:33:39 2020 No.14814092 >>14814075 Just get married bro. I never even think about this stuff anymore. If you find a good woman, you don't even need "game", you just need to be right with God. https://www.rooshv.com/game-is-for-fallen-women

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:36:29 2020 No.14814110 >>14814092 Well, yeah. But how are you gonna find a good woman if you can't even speak to one? Do game for like a few years then settle down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 09:39:17 2020 No.14814124 >>14814092 oh yeah, roosh v's new game concept "faith" is guarantee to work on christian women – that don't exist!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 10:36:16 2020 No.14814431 >>14813717 >he got high on his own supply and started believing he was some sort of saviour of western civilization. Sounds like your projecting unless you can actually site him behaving with such grandeur

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 10:51:16 2020 No.14814503

>>14809855
>But, he disintegrated completely. Everything that he wrote and advised is suspect now - clearly, it doesn't work. Perhaps it was just a big cope, a product of a sick mind, faulty and dangerous. The best thing for psychologically struggling people would be to stay away from his teachings as far as possible. Who knows how much harm he has caused?
Trash argument, obviously motivated by seething hatred. If he recovers and continues his work will you keep mocking him?

>>14809855
>Suddenly, he had all this authority. And he used it all in order to make as much money as possible. Why did this man need a patreon? Wasn't he making enough from his job, online services, youtube and merchandise? No, he needed to write a new book, and tour the world like a rock band.
You mean
>suddenly, he had all these opportunities, and he went as far as to make the most of them
Seethe more you fucking poorfag

>He rambled on endless topics to impressionable crowds, promoting himself and selling tickets, high on drugs.
Isnt it ironic that you're trying to justify your belief in the illegitimacy of his self-help content by publicly admitting you're own inability to judge information for yourself? Were you meant to be excluded from the folk of the "impressionable crowd"? Especially given the fact that most people write off what he says as lukewarm common sense?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 10:58:59 2020 No.14814549 >>14814080 No, I didn't say that at all. How an individual reacts to modernity is their own business.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 11:15:20 2020 No.14814630 >>14809855 >he had all this authority. I think you are vastly overestimating his influence. Even without the drug issues, he would have been forgotten within 10 years - he is, after all, only one of many self help gurus when it comes down to it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 11:20:25 2020 No.14814663 >>14811524 hes a nietzschean so he deserves it

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 11:23:33 2020 No.14814682 >>14810099 You write well, but because you don't punctuate, you honestly come across as more than a little schizophrenic. Turn down the woo woo somewhat. Not every noun requires a lesser used adjective; not every sentence needs to run on.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 11:29:52 2020 No.14814716

>>14810494
/lit/ actually reads lesser known authors from time to time. Peterson thumbs through whatever your likely to find under headings like "western canon" and so on. The biggest give away for me was when he revealed he hadn't ever read Capital and had only read the Communist manifesto once, years ago. This is from a man whose sole mission was to deconstruct and undermine what he termed "cultural" or "post-modern" Marxism. It is honestly ridiculous. I am also shocked that, as an experienced clinical psychologist with tenure at America's most prestigious institution, he could have allowed himself to become chemically dependent on benzodiazepines. It makes no sense. The only valid conclusion is that he is a charlatan or some sort of industry plant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 11:31:35 2020 No.14814726 >>14811361 Russia is one of the few places on earth where doctors can legally put you into a medically induced coma if you request it. It carries a great deal of risks, but some Russian therapists apparently think it can help with addiction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:05:36 2020 No.14814897 >>14813240 When he said, in all seriousness, that he was floored by a glass of apple vinegar for three weeks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:07:11 2020 No.14814904 >>14813434 "Willing" is itself a product of biology that can work positively on other products of biology such as mood.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:12:40 2020 No.14814942 >>14813085 >we're just responding in kind. Peterson shamelessly pathologized political and religious beliefs, Thanks for confirming that people disliking him are commies trannies and stormfags.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:18:41 2020 No.14814985

>>14814726
It sounds like he simply couldn't go through benzo withdrawal while being conscious. I know it's hell on earth but tapering under medical supervision is the universally used method and always considered the safest route. I don't know what he was thinking going to Russia to get it over with through a coma instead. Now he has permanent neurological damage and can barely talk or walk without assistance. Even going cold turkey and risking seizures sounds more pleasant than that

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:19:46 2020 No.14814989
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>>14814716
>This is from a man whose sole mission was to deconstruct and undermine what he termed "cultural" or "post-modern" Marxism.

If you're attacking Peterson for not reading people, then don't just immediately show how you barely read or listened to him, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:22:33 2020 No.14815000 >>14814985 I wonder who game him this advice to do something that reckless. I hope it wasn't his daughter.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:31:51 2020 No.14815035

>>14814989
What? One of his main objectives was to undermine the work of the "post-modernists." He never clearly defined who these people were or what they believed in, only that they were inexorably linked with Marxism. This is another one of his faults - he doesn't/didn't actually know what post-modernism was.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:32:53 2020 No.14815041 >>14814985 >is the universally used method and always considered the safest route True. But according to his daughter this simply didn't work with him so they had to try something drastic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:38:10 2020 No.14815080 >>14815041 >this simply didn't work with him Of course such a method doesn't agree with a junkie, they would rather continue running away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:42:51 2020 No.14815113 >>14815080 >Of course such a method doesn't agree with a junkie, they would rather continue running away. I think you're underestimating the sheer existential terror of Benzo withdrawal. Some people simply are not built to endure it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:43:20 2020 No.14815118
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>>14815035
>"sole mission" suddenly turned into "main objectives"
>claim he never defined them despite the fact that he has a fucking article on his site talking about just that.

For fuck sake, it's not even his idea, other people like Theodore Dalrymple said the same shit before him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:50:13 2020 No.14815140 >>14815118 >"sole mission" suddenly turned into "main objectives" >how dare this random poster make passing use of hyperbole on /lit/ - this makes me so angry!! lol autism

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:52:12 2020 No.14815149 >>14813814 So your roommates trashed the place with graffiti of a guy's face, and you hold that man responsible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:53:58 2020 No.14815159 >>14814503 Based

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:55:25 2020 No.14815169 >>14815140 1. Shift goalposts 2. Disregard argument and shitpost 3. ??? 4. Profit

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 12:57:51 2020 No.14815180

>>14813085
The reason I can't stand leftists is because theirs is no longer an economic program but one of half assed infantilist psychological normalisation. we will all be 'queer' in the future we will all be perpetually angry gender indistinct pink haired entities, we will 'binge' netflix and read teen vogue and reminisce about harry potter. These people are not revolutionaries but frail middle class conformist consumers who are at root deeply ashamed of themselves, desiring nothing more than an oedipal relationship with the institution, be it media, psychiatry, pop culture, or the university. To really understand Marx they would need to be immersed in the same 'dead white male' literate culture they decry. Peterson at least understands that psychological regimes are a field of political struggle, while leftists side with the 'neutral' institution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:00:01 2020 No.14815192 >>14815000 >>14815041 There's something very "off" about his daughter and I can't put my finger on what it is but I really don't think she had any business advising him on how to handle his withdrawal symptoms.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:03:40 2020 No.14815221
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>>14815180
>frail middle class conformist consumers
Yes. They're bourgeois. Feminism, Queerness, even anti-racism is the bourgeois infiltration of the 'left', and they can't see it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:08:15 2020 No.14815250 File: 377 KB, 2000x2000, 1542149136597.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14814942 >t. big-brained centrist who paid $2000 for a rug.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:11:32 2020 No.14815272 >>14814989 Why would we read someone who hasn't read the stuff he lectures about?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:14:14 2020 No.14815290 >>14815149 Not the same anon, but basically some of my roommates joined a cult and the cult leader turned them into people who are shit to live with.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:21:27 2020 No.14815327

>>14815221
the old left's mechanisms of integration and socialisation like mass parties and unions for the most part no longer exist. It's interesting to see how the early german SPD and early british socialists went out to the slums and disciplined the uprooted proletarians into good little bourgeoisie, reliable political subjects with family values, made them read Marx, Darwin and the writers of the french enlightenment. Today's leftists are a mere auxiliary wing of the liberal media academic establishment complex, they have given up the dream of creating a new world and a new culture instead adopting a risk model, where threats to liberal cosmopolitanism are omnipresent. You can trace certain strains in the new right(ie. paleoconservatism, to Lasch's critique of cultural liberalism, but now it is the right that has adopted the left wing identity politics mold demanding their intolerance is recognised by tolerant liberal institutions as just another equally valid identity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:23:41 2020 No.14815338 >>14813711 this is why I am always amused when leftists and queers talk ceaselessly about suffering from 'anxiety', lol why are literally all these people mentally ill? why do they think themselves fit to be moral authorities over normal people?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:33:09 2020 No.14815385 >>14813707 Read the ancient wisdom. The physicalist premise underpinning modernity is false.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:40:20 2020 No.14815416

>>14815180
It's fine if you can't stand leftists, but mixing psychology with politics is still unethical.
Also if you can't oppose someone's views on their merits, and have to resort to accusations of personal failings, then you have failed to refute their views. This can backfire tremendously as people start to suspect you have something to hide.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:46:26 2020 No.14815456

>>14815416
the character structure of the individual exists in a feedback loop with the political and economical order, erich fromm and the frankfurt school knew this, psychotherapy is not neutral but a crucial instrument of power and social control(see foucault laing szaz and the broader antipsychiatry movement of the 60s and 70s. Leftists lack historical awareness of how their own ideas developed. See Schmitt on technics and depolitization, psychiatrists and academics are today's priesthood, leftists have merely substituted them for older familial and ecclesiastical forms of authority.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:47:36 2020 No.14815463 >>14815192 >There's something very "off" about his daughter and I can't put my finger on what it is She has junkie eyes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:49:47 2020 No.14815475 >>14815221 >mfw I realize if Marx were alive today he would be Nazbol.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 13:56:31 2020 No.14815501 >>14815416 the rules of discourse are themselves a product of and subject to political contestation. I am aware Peterson is a midwit who traffics in the same hypocrisies, debased psychiatric cryptoreligious authority and all that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:02:17 2020 No.14815525 >>14814075 Cringe. What a hylic. You need some Brother Lawrence. https://ccel.org/ccel/lawrence/practice/practice.iii.iv.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:07:33 2020 No.14815551 >>14815272 Because then people can disregard every accusations you've made

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:08:19 2020 No.14815558 File: 65 KB, 650x487, b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14812669 >Is there anyone, ANYONE, that actually practices what they preach and are better for it?

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:11:11 2020 No.14815572

>>14815501
Peterson's 'Individualism' exists in a long tradition linked to american unitarianism and transcendentalism. So do american leftists and sjws, but they are blind to their own genealogy since they look at history through a purely therapeutic lens, the job of history as an institution is to recognize my 'authentic' identity(actually a mass product of consumer culture and psychiatry a mere state of injury and humilliation) everyone must be made to feel as humilliated and dependent as i do! I do think many lgbt people actively get off sexually at humiliation

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:15:17 2020 No.14815597

>>14815456
>psychotherapy is not neutral but a crucial instrument of power and social control
>psychiatrists and academics are today's priesthood, leftists have merely substituted them for older familial and ecclesiastical forms of authority
All the more reason not to accept political arguments based on psychotherapy.

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Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:22:02 2020 No.14815622

>>14815501
>the rules of discourse are themselves a product of and subject to political contestation
No, this is Peterson-tier "what is your definition of truth?" psychobabble. The discourse has to match the rigor of the subject being discussed and the expertise being claimed. If you are going to make appeals to science, even 'soft' social sciences like psychology, then you have to provide empirical evidence for your claims, because that is the standard on which science is based.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:23:19 2020 No.14815629 >>14815551 >You didn't read my book >I therefore dismiss all your accusations I hope you never get accused of a crime. You won't do well in court.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:24:47 2020 No.14815635 File: 65 KB, 481x482, hmm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14815629 >accuse him of x because of y >y is false >Nooo, I know what I'm talking about, listen to me! The judge would laugh in your face

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:26:39 2020 No.14815642 >>14815338 Yes, they are mentally ill. Some are waking up though, e.g. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51676020 It'll be fun once this spreads more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:37:24 2020 No.14815691 >>14815635 I will make this so simple maybe even you can understand. I am not claiming to be a Peterson expert. Peterson is, however, claiming expertise on the psychological motivations for Marxism. Peterson admits he has not read much Marx.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:40:14 2020 No.14815699

>>14815622
what about the replication crisis? credentialed proffesionals are a priesthood that is unaccountable by its own self professed standards.

>>14815642
'gender' is a theological concept and a sign of the human's increasing technologically enabled detachment from its biological and reproductive function. After the fall of the soviet union, leftist elites transfered their millenarian and chilliastic sentiments from the working class(who are now either bigots who deserve to OD on heroin or third world overpopulation useless eaters) to the elimination of sexual differences. Gender is a social construct, yet some people are born the wrong gender and masculinity is toxic, and this is all somehow justified by 'science'. this is what leftists mean by 'science'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:42:43 2020 No.14815712

>>14815691
>I am not claiming to be a Peterson expert.

The original claim I was disputing certainly seemed very certain >>14814716

>Peterson is, however, claiming expertise on the psychological motivations for Marxism. Peterson admits he has not read much Marx.
Yes, just like modern marxist. Why would he read Marx to talk about them. You don't need to read Mein Kampf to understand stormfag either.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 14:52:37 2020 No.14815762 >>14814503 It sounds like someone cleaned their room a little TOO hard. Chill out, bucko

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:19:29 2020 No.14815897 >>14815290 >Share a board with commies and nazis >complain about fucking peterson fag Hell, the anti-petersonites are much more vocal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:27:42 2020 No.14815935 >>14809855 he's been a clinical psychologist with 40 years of experience who's changed thousands of lives for the better, he clearly knows what he's talking about poor physical health does not in any way shape or form invalidate his ideas

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:34:50 2020 No.14815972 >>14815935 >poor physical health does not in any way shape or form invalidate his ideas No, that would be the content of his ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:41:09 2020 No.14816003 >>14815290 Absolutely delusional, and obsessed with self-victimization.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 15:50:38 2020 No.14816045

>>14812669
Hegel had a funny quip about this. There was a common saying in France at the time that “no man is a hero to his valet,” to which Hegel remarked: “Not because the one is not a hero, but because the other is a valet.”

People are heroes for what they objectively do, not because they have no idiosyncrasies or peculiarities that make their company displeasing, or because they personally fail after having done what they set out to achieve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:10:34 2020 No.14816131 >>14809855 Peterson is coping incarnate, I know what I'm talking about: I used to be one of his early self-improvement followers.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:18:28 2020 No.14816161

>>14815699
>what about the replication crisis? credentialed proffesionals are a priesthood that is unaccountable by its own self professed standards.
If you claim that your field of expertise is a science, then it must be judged by empirical standards. If you claim it is part of the humanities, then it can be judged purely on aesthetic grounds, but cannot claim objectivity. If it pertains to metaphysics, then an absolute truth standard applies and you have the burden of proof to demonstrate that your claims are true in all of all possible worlds.
If you don't accept any of these standards, then your field cannot be classified among them and must develop its own independent standard of rigor. Of course, no one is obliged to take this new standard seriously until the new field of study has made significant contributions to human life.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:26:44 2020 No.14816203

>>14815712
>The original claim I was disputing certainly seemed very certain
That's a different anon, but his point about Peterson claiming to deconstruct Marxism is apparent from his media appearances. Peterson frequently claims to know why people subscribe to particular political views based on their psychological problems.
>Yes, just like modern marxist. Why would he read Marx to talk about them. You don't need to read Mein Kampf to understand stormfag either.
Those are psueds. To be a real Communist or Nazi, you would obviously have to read Marx or Hitler respectively. Peterson, however, is not accusing them of being pseuds, but of having psychological problems which map onto these ideologies. This claim also requires you to have read Marx and Hitler, which he apparently has not done.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:27:46 2020 No.14816209 >>14812669 No because preaching to large crowds in search of their validation is not the foundation of a good life

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:36:54 2020 No.14816259 >>14815897 >Share a board with commies and nazis >Peterson makes them even worse Says a lot more about him than me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:38:06 2020 No.14816265 >>14816003 Sounds like you joined the cult.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:39:36 2020 No.14816268 >>14816131 Glad you got out of the cult. Do you have any advice for people who are still in?

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:47:14 2020 No.14816312
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>>14809855
not really, i can still appreciate the message he put out, even if he does succumb to his own sadness.
jordan peterson helped me reevaluate my own life, i stopped carrying such wasteful malicious beliefs with me.
even if he couldn't continue to fight on any further, I'd like to believe that if even one person carries his beliefs with them that he was successful all along.
his life wasn't pointless, even if he inly changed a small group of people, he achieved the goal of improving the world against all the odds.
he was successful either way.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 16:50:08 2020 No.14816327

>>14816268
In my case what mostly helped is my knowledge of Marxism, I don't claim to be a scholar but I knew enough to know that something was off about Peterson's theories. To be fair: a lot of his life advice makes a lot of sense when you're a 20-something years old guy who grew up with no father and who's completely unable to cope with life.

That being said, it quickly became clear to me how he uses that self-help thing as a Trojan Horse for his conservative ideology, his quick rise in popularity turned him into a some obsessed egomaniac.

Honestly, I wouldn't try to turn people away from Peterson, if you see value in his teachings, go for it, he may not be the perfect answer but it's something. Just don't take every he says at face value.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:01:54 2020 No.14816689 >>14813042 >you can spot them because they read

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:02:17 2020 No.14816691

>>14816203
>Peterson frequently claims to know why people subscribe to particuliar political views
Where. Most of the time he talk about how the left is chaos and innovation and how the rigth is order and stagnation. Those are far from being particular political views.
>those are pseud
Yes and that's why they are pomo-marxist. Just go read his explanation about this shit. He is mostly talking about people in the academic universe which he probably has dealt a lot with and which is a much better way to evaluate them than to read almost century old-book that probably less than half of those pomo-marxists have read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:14:40 2020 No.14816763 Embrace cascade failure, commit philosophical suicide, become a well-spoken agent of chemistry

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:24:38 2020 No.14816810 >>14815762 My room is messy as shit and you sound female

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:34:15 2020 No.14816873 >>14809855 he's a psychologist; of course he is a hack

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:41:26 2020 No.14816904 >>14814985 what the fuck. i thought people were memeing about him being braindead. how are benzos legal if they have such severe withdrawal side effects that you're willing to go comatose?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:50:51 2020 No.14816952 >>14811361 I'm gonna give you just one name: Dugin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:08:11 2020 No.14817030 >>14813555 Marcus Aurelius.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:50:41 2020 No.14817230 File: 16 KB, 262x276, the nose knows.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14816904 >how are benzos legal if they have such severe withdrawal side effects that you're willing to go comatose? it's unknowable

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:31:48 2020 No.14817378 File: 3.21 MB, 4944x7416, Anti-Tech Revolution Tech Hell Poster.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14809855 JBP was always just another part of the spectacle. Daily reminder that Kaczynski is right and the most important thinker to read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:36:31 2020 No.14817395 >>14811658 rush wasn't selling you self help bullshit

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 21:37:12 2020 No.14817639

most Peterson haters just don´t get it

he never said he was perfect, he always said he struggled, that he was prone to depression, etc.

if he says "clean your room" it's not because his room is perfect, but a mess. He cleaned it and felt better, so he gives that advice.

People have falls and setbacks, he always said that. He said he had setbacks all his life.

He is just human. He never presented himself as a super human person.

Most people complaining here will never acchieve 1% of what he acchieved

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 21:45:09 2020 No.14817663 >>14817639 The point is that his advice didn't solve his own problems, the same problems that other people have and to whom he's given that same advice. You can't propose a solution, adhere to it yourself, fail, and then expect the solution to stand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 21:46:38 2020 No.14817668 >>14817663 Compare to people like Gabor Mate who followed his own advice and can confidently say his life is better for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:08:42 2020 No.14817746 >>14812885 what are you talking about? he and anyone who tried shilling him would get eviscerated every thread. it's one of the few times lit has been right about something in the last couple of years

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:13:24 2020 No.14817763

Subtle ad hominems.
>Man discovers cancer treatment
>Helps a lot of patients
>Gets cancer
>Not the kind his treatment helps
>Dies from cancer
>Imbeciles: LOLOL I KNEW HIS TREATMENT WAS SHIT
I don't even like this guy but I expected more from some of you anonymous posters

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:14:33 2020 No.14817766 >>14814985 >Now he has permanent neurological damage and can barely talk or walk without assistance. Wait is this confirmed?

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:17:44 2020 No.14817774

>>14809855
A lot of authors, thinkers, philosophers do not live up to their own teachings, or have some moral failing or another. However, it's not really a good argument against what they say. His psychological advice are probably technically sound, and he is clearly an expert when it comes to Jung and other psychologists.

I think where he really fucked up, or where I felt most betrayed, was with his biblical lectures. He very clearly waddled into it knowing, like every Christian Rock band, that there is some serious cash to be made. This guy is a grifter extraordinaire and has never missed any opportunity to capitalize on his 15 minutes (see: the $2,000 carpet and, even worse, "The Peterson Fellowship" at the Acton school of business). He sold impressionable young men, Christians, etc. "The Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories" which reduces Christianity to the mere material. It become clear to me that Peterson does not believe in anything. It's all symbols and hierarchical games to him.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:52:43 2020 No.14817893

I'm more interested in his academic tech record. How can this midget be trusted to teach? Who judges his competence? What about his obvious subconscious daddy issues and instability?
And how the hell did people trust him in his private practice. Is everyone cut from the same cloth? Is the reflected institutional power so persuasive?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:54:16 2020 No.14817902 >>14811658 Ryan holiday? Dear lord

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 22:56:28 2020 No.14817914

>>14817766
His daughter says it herself in this update video on his channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTwEFa5NW2k

She also says he's "on the mend" though and that he will provide the next update himself so I'm sure we'll see him again someday. But he'll never be the same, that's for sure.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:45:03 2020 No.14818126

>>14815041
>drastic
>in the year 2020
>le rich dude
give me a fucking break. the man is an absolute retard who fell for a medical meme at the hands of his new age Insta daughter. a truly Dosoeveskyean fall, but let’s not kid ourselves, this is what Jordan wanted all along. After all, he’s too much of a pussy to commit suicide and too much of a raging narcissist to just fade away into obscurity.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:47:41 2020 No.14818141

>>14815113
Again, been there, done that, and severally less self-righteous, intellectually equipped people have done it. He’s just a raging faggot and you’re all a bunch of inexperienced basement dwelling incels who have zero lock on how register hilarious this all is. He could’ve just went to AA like the rest of us, but no he had to fly to fucking Russia for “muh epochal personal mystic journey” and look where it got him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:49:54 2020 No.14818152 >>14813042 The alt right is obsessed with books, but they only post in stack threads

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:50:12 2020 No.14818156 >>14817639 1/10 bait friendo

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:53:50 2020 No.14818171 >>14817914 Where are you getting this stuff about him being unable to talk or walk? She just says there’s damage. That could mean anything.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:00:23 2020 No.14818191

>>14817668
This doesn't surprise me. Gabor Mate's advice has been a lot more helpful for me than Jordan Peterson's. Following JBP's I just ended up feeling guilty all the time. I might have been doing more with my life but the quality of my life seemed to decrease.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:10:59 2020 No.14818240 >>14818191 >>14817668 What's a good starting point for getting into Gabor Mate's work?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:17:55 2020 No.14818275 >>14809855 Every time one of these threads shows up, I Google him to verify. Fuck you for whatever masculine-intuition/feminine-sensory bullshit I start getting targetted with

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:26:33 2020 No.14818325 >>14813178 how dare someone make money and become successful, they're supposed to slowly drown in mediocrity like me

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:33:57 2020 No.14818369

>>14818240
In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts. Gabor Mate is a medical doctor, not a philosopher. He doesn't try to judge right or wrong, but rather focuses on what is helpful and what isn't.

There's a lot of case studies about hard core addicts he met in his medical practice that boils down to "we all have to be nicer to addicts." If you don't feel like buying into that, it's fine to skim that part.

The really useful part is a framework to identify addictive behaviors within your life. Anything you do repeatedly for short term gratification that you know is bad in the long term is an addiction according to Mate. He proposes ways to identify what really is driving that addiction, what uncomfortable thoughts and memories would fill your head if you just let yourself idle instead of distracting yourself with your addictions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:35:05 2020 No.14818373 >>14818369 And once identified does he provide any useful methods for alleviating these addictions?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:40:43 2020 No.14818404

>>14814716
SUPPOSEDLY, his benzo "addiction" is something a little stranger than that - he was on the benzos in the first place as a treatment to some kind of alleged reaction to food (this REEKS of his daughter's corrupting influence).

From there, the drugs apparently had what is called a "paradoxical" effect on Peterson; i.e. they didn't calm him as intended, but instead rendered him highly agitated.

Unfortunately we have a pretty limited view into all of this because everything we hear is coming through his daughter, who I frankly do not trust, and/or Russian doctors. The very fact he's in Russia is extremely disturbing to me in the first place, and the reasons his daughter gives us for this relocation are highly dubious.

Unfortunately I really don't think this is a case of someone getting what he deserves, but rather a case of someone placing his trust in the wrong people. He's spent so much of his career looking at sociopaths, he apparently doesn't recognize how perfectly sane (but deluded) people can hurt you, too.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:59:03 2020 No.14818471

>>14818373
Depends on what was the cause, right? Loneliness is probably the #1 cause of serious drug addiction, and if that's the case for you, you need to work with someone who can advocate for you (therapist, social worker, psychiatrist, etc.) to find a sense of belonging for you. It could be reconnecting with family (if that's an option), it could be committing to a community of recovering addicts, it could be going back to school if you're a young person.

Mate himself talks about his own addiction to work, and how it was driven by his need to feel needed, which was itself caused by persistent feeling in his childhood that the world did not want him. He has been able to break from it by committing himself to his wife and children and making it a point to make effort every day have close and meaningful relationship with them.

The important takeaway is that the addict himself is frequently oblivious to root cause of his addiction and thinks only about the tools of his addiction. "If only I could kick heroin, meth, shopping, Xbox, etc." Addicts think this because they can't bear to face the real cause, the trauma, discomfort, etc. because to large extent, the cycle of feeling guilty about their addiction, scouring for their next fix, having withdrawal symptoms, is better than revisiting their trauma.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:09:20 2020 No.14818501 >>14818471 Thanks for taking the time to answer, I appreciate it. I'm not sure I can kick my own addiction, honestly (it's not to drugs at least so I won't die from it) but I'll give his book a read anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:16:28 2020 No.14818519 File: 43 KB, 200x275, 200px-Walt_Whitman,_age_28,_1848.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14815572 >a long tradition linked to american unitarianism and transcendentalism. Far too long, and far too gay.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:31:02 2020 No.14818730

>>14818501
You might want to look up articles about the psychedelics clinical trials that have been going on for a while now. Using magic mushrooms might not be helpful for you specifically, but the new discoveries about how they work point to new ways to think about behavioral loop or addictions (the cognitive over-rigidity is at the heart of all this). Even Jordan Peterson himself talked very highly about the current efforts to use psychedelics to treat depression, alcoholism, gambling disorders, etc. on a few of his online lectures.

The key researchers in this arena are Roland Griffith, Robin Carhartt-Harris, and Stephen Ross. You can read coverage about their research in media or go to Google Scholar and Sci Hub to read their papers yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:48:28 2020 No.14818774 >>14813178 Modern society equates success with money

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:52:25 2020 No.14818781 >>14809855 >This man had the gall to be a man that wanted what's best for his fellow man And for that, I respect him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:06:45 2020 No.14818811 File: 653 KB, 1772x1772, Wes Watson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14812669

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:22:23 2020 No.14819014 >>14816952 i think i remember seeing a greenpost about this or at least a full run down on their connection. any one care to share please?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:25:48 2020 No.14819023 >>14812706 I still love Peterson. The inhuman fuckwits celebrating over his collapse are why they should never, ever have any power. They are evil incarnate and I mean that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:39:42 2020 No.14819166 >>14818781 What's best is for you to give me your money, and go wash your penis

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:28:11 2020 No.14819224 >>14817663 His advice is not about becoming a superhuman that never has a setback (that's unrealistic). Having this health problem he is procedding exactly as the advices. Name a system of thought inmune to human frailty. protip: you can´t

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:35:34 2020 No.14819229 >>14815169 1. latch onto an irrelevant little imperfection in the choice of words a poster makes 2. disregard argument and shitpost 3. ??? 4. retard

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:41:31 2020 No.14819238

Surprisingly the people celebrating the hardest are not the leftists and liberals who considered him a political enemy, but rather apolitical people who are not where they want to be in life. You guys are glad he failed because you are angry that he ever tried. You are mad at him for trying to open the door to something better than what we have now, you don't like it when the other crabs try to leave the bucket. He attempted the impossible task that has plagued humanity for all of time: to make people better, happier, more virtuous, to reduce suffering. It is no wonder he failed, the job is too enormous for anyone, but it is not to his discredit that he tried and failed, it is to YOUR discredit that you celebrate his failure. He is noble for having tried and he did far less harm in his attempt than most others do. I wish him well and hope some good will yet come of this situation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:54:20 2020 No.14819263 >>14811658 >does that mean his comments on the economy, politics, pop culture, Hollywood, Russia, Islam, China, or anything else "is now suspect"? While he is trash, he at least doesn’t shit on people’s addiction and use that as character assassination

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:09:44 2020 No.14819300

>>14816691
>Where
Watch any of his interviews.
>He is mostly talking about people in the academic universe
If that is true, then it's just a definitional retreat, because he does not make that clear in public appearances. He talks about 'social justice' the 'alt-right' and so on.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:12:59 2020 No.14819309

>>14816691
>Where. Most of the time he talk about how the left is chaos and innovation and how the rigth is order and stagnation. Those are far from being particular political views.
Nigga he talked about Pomo-marxists all the time. Even if that stupid debate he was explicitly referencing the Communist Manifesto and the people who read and follow it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:14:07 2020 No.14819314 >>14817763 Not a good analogy. Peterson's problem is exactly the kind his self-help treatment claims to help.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:16:18 2020 No.14819323

>>14818171
>He’s still taking anti-seizure medication, and he can’t type or walk steadily yet. Still, this is a vast and rapid improvement. Last week he couldn’t sit up without help. The week before that he couldn’t lift an arm or speak.

This is literally a quote from the video. It's less than three minutes long I'm not sure how you missed this.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:17:39 2020 No.14819330

>>14819300
>watch any of his interview
I did, which is why I'm asking you this.
>he does not maje that clear in public appearances
He said several times that most of it is derived from academic pushing their narrative. Did you actually watch any of his shit?

>social justice and alt-right
Yes, not marxist and fascists

>>14819309
Yes and those aren't just normal marxists, as he said himself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:18:27 2020 No.14819332 >>14816689 Report all of your professors to the SPLC.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:18:49 2020 No.14819333

>>14813085
>His entire argument against everything he doesn't like is "you're too weak to handle real life without your collectivist ideology", but now we find out he is too weak to handle life without pills. Poetic justice.
How's are those things even correlated?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:20:42 2020 No.14819340 >>14818325 >they're supposed to slowly drown in mediocrity like me If their product or service is mediocre, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:21:24 2020 No.14819343 >>14813645 >he was just pretending to be retarded!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:22:00 2020 No.14819346 >>14816810 >Defending Peterson this hard while being such a failure you can’t even take on board the one piece of advice that requires minimal effort to achieve I feel sorry for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:22:33 2020 No.14819348 >>14819330 >Yes and those aren't just normal marxists, as he said himself. Where and when? Remember that he debated an actual Marxist about Marxism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:22:50 2020 No.14819349 >>14819340 >he thinks quality always determine success >he thinks JP is mediocre

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:27:24 2020 No.14819358

>>14819348
>where and when
Well geez I don't know.
Maybe here
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/philosophy/postmodernism-definition-and-critique-with-a-few-comments-on-its-relationship-with-marxism/
Just a though.

>he debated an actual Marxist about Marxism
Pretty sure it was about happiness and Zizek isn't a Marxist.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:31:09 2020 No.14819364

>>14819330
>Yes, not marxist and fascists
He makes repeated references to Marxism and Fascism. He has uploaded lectures to youtube where he claims to understand Hitler's motivations. He regularly refers to his opponents as neo-marxists, cultural-marxists or post-modernists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:33:35 2020 No.14819370 >>14819333 They show us that his individualist ideology and cult of personality could not save him from the very problems that he criticizes others for not being able to face without a collectivist ideology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:33:55 2020 No.14819372 >>14819348 >Where and when? Remember that he debated an actual Marxist about Marxism. On the same debate with Zizek he makes it clear as day what he means when he talks about the pomo neomarxists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:35:22 2020 No.14819374 >>14819349 >he thinks quality always determine success Never said that. I'm just glad when it does. >he thinks JP is mediocre Yes, now go wash your penis.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:37:27 2020 No.14819379

>>14819370
So a person taking meds for cancer treatment puts them on the same level as a bolshevik? What the fuck are you even talking about? Where did Peterson ever said that you can will yourself out of biological diseases? If anything he has always been a proponent of taking medication for psychological issues.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:46:25 2020 No.14819406

>>14813645
I honesty don’t know how could anyone call it a debate. Peterson starts with admitting he hasn’t read the basics of the ideology he’s going to (((debate))). At that point Zizek should’ve sniffed himself home in the knowledge that he didn’t waste any more of his time on a hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:47:46 2020 No.14819411 >>14819406 They weren't debating marxism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:47:57 2020 No.14819412 >>14819379 >Where did Peterson ever said that you can will yourself out of biological diseases? He didn't, but you made an analogy to cancer anyway. I'm fixing the analogy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:49:57 2020 No.14819421 >>14819379 He is not taking pills for cancer. He was taking them for psychological problems and was too weak not to get addicted to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:51:31 2020 No.14819427 >>14819406 >Zizek should’ve sniffed himself home in the knowledge that he didn’t waste any more of his time on a hack. Here's how it should have gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIQp4KMwqwk

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:52:31 2020 No.14819428 >>14819379 >If anything he has always been a proponent of taking medication for psychological issues. You don't say! And how!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:54:18 2020 No.14819431 >>14814942 You can suck my dick as an individual.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:55:12 2020 No.14819434

>>14819358
The validity of his claims aside. He is talking about pomos importing Marxist rhetoric not about marxists, normal or otherwise.

>Pretty sure it was about happiness and Zizek isn't a Marxist.
He pathologized readers of the manifesto and Marx himself. And yes you fucking moron Zizek is a Marxist.

>>14819372
Then why did he then asked Zizek why was he a Marxist? Surely he would at least recognize that Zizek is a true marxist instead of trying to undermine his identity as a marxist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:56:46 2020 No.14819440 >>14815035 He doesn’t know what Marxism is, either. Makes you wonder

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:57:33 2020 No.14819443

>>14819343
Did you even bother watching the debate?

Zizek straight up laughs at Peterson and calls him an idiot but Peterson doesn't even deny it, merely shuffles about awkwardly in his chair. He fully knew he was out of his depth, and Zizek called him out on it.

Also, criticising Zizek for "pretending to be retarded" is redundant when that's literally his discursive style (poop jokes, rape jokes, jokes about black penis, jokes about Montenegrins, etc..)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:02:19 2020 No.14819459 >>14819421 Are you one of those "psychological problems aren't real problems" type of person? And where did Peterson claim that only weak people get addicted to meds?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:04:04 2020 No.14819463

>>14819434
>Then why did he then asked Zizek why was he a Marxist? Surely he would at least recognize that Zizek is a true marxist instead of trying to undermine his identity as a marxist.
I don't remember Peterson ever saying that. What I do remember is him saying that Zizek is an interesting marxist especifically because he doesn't act like what Peterson calls a pomo neomarxist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:05:56 2020 No.14819470 >>14819463 Yea it was that part where he pestered Zizek to why not abandon the label Marxist and create his own label zizekian. Surely someone with clarity on what Marxism is will recognize one?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:09:24 2020 No.14819476

>>14819443
>Peterson didn't respond to an idiotic personal attack, that means he totally concedes to the attack!
I'm not even much of a fan of Peterson but I swear to god Zizek sycophants go out of their way to paint Zizek as some sort of amazing debater that's always on a completely different intellectual level than his opposition. It's a really uncanny phenomenon.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:10:13 2020 No.14819477

>>14815221
This. I’m a Leninist and I’m banned from most socialist forums because I call them out on being bourgeois, liberals and LARPers mistaking the ideology with fascism: red color edition.
Identity politics, queer theory and other idealist diarrhea are incompatible with Marxism, and this shouldn’t even be negotiable.
Man, I could go on an endless rant about this shit. The left has been dead for at least 20 years and what we see today is liberals eating the insides of its rotten corpse, making it twitch when they bite through a nerve.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:11:16 2020 No.14819481 >>14819470 That seems more a case of Peterson not knowing Zizek than him not knowing Marx, unless you're willing to claim Zizek is an OG marxist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:14:07 2020 No.14819489 >>14819481 >unless you're willing to claim Zizek is an OG marxist. I mean if you are going to debate someone about marxism and who constantly writes and talks about it, surely one can assume Zizek is one?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:14:23 2020 No.14819490

>>14819476
I'm not even claiming Zizek is that good, I'm saying that Peterson is simply that fucking bad, but because you're a moron who can only think in dichotomous terms I have to be a rabid fanboy for one or the other, right?

Also, aside from his awkward silence at being called an idiot, there are multiple instances of him being woefully unprepared (and even admitting as much during their conversation). You wanna debate marxism and the only source you read is the communist manifesto? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:15:10 2020 No.14819492 >>14819481 Mate he literally said he did not read Marx except for the manifesto.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:18:15 2020 No.14819504 >>14819490 See >>14819411

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:31:50 2020 No.14819547 >>14819481 It´s more of a case of autism about using no-no word in labeling oneself rather than having to do with actual substance.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:41:15 2020 No.14819586

>>14813434
>Mental health is all biological energy and hormone function
we outsource the task of keeping ourselves sane and functional. Isolated social animals always get weird if not always awfully sick.
Quit seeing everything as a mechanism you can press buttons on, just because you can describe it as such doesn't make it so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:46:38 2020 No.14819606 >>14819492 Some of Marx's best writing is journalism fucking up Southern politicians before the Civil War, when he was organizing boycotts of slave produced cotton. Living values, not just shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:52:15 2020 No.14819633 >>14813085 >His entire argument against everything he doesn't like is "you're too weak to handle real life without your collectivist ideology" Except, no, it's not. Nice strawman though, sweeping negation/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:19:02 2020 No.14819742 >>14819459 No, psychological problems are very real problems, which is why it is so dangerous to follow a pseud who says he can fix them, but cannot fix himself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:22:46 2020 No.14819762 >>14819633 Except yes it is in all his public appearances. Maybe he has some deeper explanation in his books, but I'm not going to read someone who behaves the way he does in public.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:23:53 2020 No.14819767 >>14813085 >Peterson shamelessly pathologized political and religious beliefs, using people's personal weaknesses to attack their belief systems Imagine being a leftist and saying this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:25:45 2020 No.14819775 >>14819767 Imagine thinking the person who said this is a leftist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:27:44 2020 No.14819783 >>14819775 Ok tranny

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:29:45 2020 No.14819786 >>14809855 you people are mad that you resemble the latter of his statements

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:33:27 2020 No.14819803 >>14819762 Why make such a lie, that can easily be proven wrong. Just for exemple ge didn't say that in the infamous 4channel interview.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:35:14 2020 No.14819808 >>14819364 Yes that's my point

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:55:42 2020 No.14819877 >>14819783 Ok commie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:02:50 2020 No.14819912 you see, when you g down to slay the dragon and rescue your father from the bottom of the ocean, don't forget your bottle of 2mg xanax tablets. How are you gonna wield that sword? BENZOS, BUCKO. BUCKETS OF THEM/

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:04:42 2020 No.14819924

>>14809855

Yeah, dude, we're all human.

No matter what you do, no matter what you achieve, you're still going to get old, weak, and stupid, then die. Does that mean you shouldn't do anything at all, you shouldn't live by any rules, you shouldn't strive to rise above all the things going against you, if only for a brief while?

One of his core tenants he preached too is no matter how together you are, things are going to come along and sweep you off your feet. Just when you think things are great, life has a habit of smacking you the fuck down. And it's not the terrible events that happen to you that define you, it's how you react to them.

The book isn't closed on what happens to him next, so we'll see. But either way, it doesn't mean what he preached isn't valid. According to his style of thought, there was only one perfect person ever, or maybe none, and life isn't a game of constant winning and achievement, it's more about just knowing how to get up and dust yourself off after the storm blew your house down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:04:53 2020 No.14819926 >>14819803 Why make such an accusation, when anyone with access to youtube can see you are lying.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:06:12 2020 No.14819934

>>14810099
>I like the meat diet

You guys realize he never really advocated for an all meat diet for everyone. He had some very unique health problems that lead him to trying an all meat diet, and it helped him. That's about all he said about it. He didn't say every single person on earth needs to eat all meat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:06:13 2020 No.14819935 >>14819926 Alrigth then tell disprove the exemple I gave. If you can't excuse yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:07:02 2020 No.14819939 >>14819808 Then you have to concede that he doesn't understand what Marxism and Fascism actually are. This means he also doesn't understand the genealogy of ideas leading from those ideologies to the people he is criticizing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:12:07 2020 No.14819958 >>14816312 Could you expand on this? What beliefs of yours did he change and why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:15:29 2020 No.14819973 >>14815180 Do you really think right wingers don't do pretty much all of this? You're mostly describing modern western culture, not leftism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:15:48 2020 No.14819974 >>14819939 Why? You just need to look at what those people did and said to know their motivation. No need to be a theoric expert. >muh genealogy Start with the cro-magnon.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:16:38 2020 No.14819977

>>14819935
24:30-25:30 of the interview. I won't be replying to you again, as you've already wasted enough of my time finding the exact minute of the interview. Everyone with access to youtube can see you are the one consistently lying here without me giving more examples.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:21:11 2020 No.14819995

>>14819973
>Do you really think right wingers don't do pretty much all of this?
Not the same anon, but yes right wingers absolutely do all of this.
>You're mostly describing modern western culture, not leftism.
Unfortunately, if you try to get out of a modern value structure, you will be lumped in with the right wingers. People will even call you far-right or extreme-right.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:25:37 2020 No.14820014

>>14819995
I read an essay by some extreme faggot saying that mysticism was crypto-fascism because it involved retreating from the political front and focusing on other stuff, which he equated to complacent support of the status quo. These people are the most annoying, slimy, braindead, myopic fucking retards ever to exist. Literal religious zealots who have been convinced they're not religious but that their heaven is some politically actionable goal. Christ they're so fucking annoying.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:29:48 2020 No.14820029

>>14819974
>You just need to look at what those people did and said
You need to know a person's vocabulary to understand what they say. The modern SJW may not have read much, but they have absorbed a combination of Marxism, critical theory and postmodernism through their education and social circle.
>muh genealogy
>Start with the cro-magnon.
That would be difficult, as they did not leave much in the way of writing or art for us to study. Starting with the preclassical cultures actually does make sense though. If you read about the Mesopotamian cults, for example, it does give insight into the Jewish revulsion to idolatry, and the subsequent iconoclastic character of much Abrahamic religion to this day.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:54:55 2020 No.14820121

>>14819504
They were debating happiness in the different contexts of marxism and capitalism. If you're showing up with a full knowledge of the latter but only a passing familiarity with the most basic polemical literature of the former, then you're setting yourself up for failure.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 11:56:41 2020 No.14820465
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>>14819977
You are absolutely retarded or deaf holy shit. Why answer me if it's to shoot yourself in foot. He never say that egalitarian are too weak to handle reality in this segment. Did you think I wouldn't check?

What the fuck went through your head, anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 12:17:20 2020 No.14820572 >>14809855 You think you're righteous by writing all that but it only shows that you're obsessive over things that nobody else cares about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 12:37:23 2020 No.14820693 >>14820572 > things that nobody else cares about. >304 replies omitted >he makes it 305

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:22:29 2020 No.14821459 >>14813953 >Peterstein's advice is bullshit >therefore we need to worship jewish deities No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:25:47 2020 No.14821479 Even Peterson's end is a contradiction; destroyed by ignoring what he preached while falling for doing what he preached.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:28:34 2020 No.14821489 >>14821479 >remember to take your meds bucko

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:31:32 2020 No.14821502 >>14811658 Rush Limbaugh and Michelangelo never wrote "12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos" just to turn their own lives into chaos after suffering an overdose of one of the antidotes.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:33:15 2020 No.14821512

>>14813044
>You do know that people thank random streamers and youtubers for saving their life as well, right? "I was depressed, and watching your cooking videos saved my life!" Just because they say it, doesn't make it true. People are emotional beings who bond even with people they don't know.

can you post examples?

>He got hooked on pills before that
Can you source me on that? all i know he was a heavy smoker

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:35:52 2020 No.14821526 >>14816045 This doesn't work if what you "objectively do" is in the realm of self help - and then you fail to properly help yourself. It shows that what you have done is vaporous at best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:40:13 2020 No.14821552 >>14812885 I can't stand /pol/fags shitting the board, but even them called Peterson a snake oil salesman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:41:17 2020 No.14821559 >>14812214 The overdose wasn't enough?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:04:57 2020 No.14821675 >>14813228 Fuck off /lit/ and go wash your penis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:18:17 2020 No.14821986 >>14821552 >but even them called Peterson a snake oil salesman. t.falseflagging polfag Back to your favorite reddit board. >>14821559 >terrible events can and will ruin your life Nah

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 18:49:14 2020 No.14822487

>>14818404
>From there, the drugs apparently had what is called a "paradoxical" effect on Peterson; i.e. they didn't calm him as intended, but instead rendered him highly agitated.
All of this is him dancing around taking responsibility for being an addict. If he publicly admitted any of this was his own fault, it would look terrible for his brand. He has to trick all of his retarded worshippers that he's a victim of our spooky post-modern society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:24:14 2020 No.14822629 >>14820465 He literally compares trannies to Maoists (because they are all collectivists and muh based individualism.) It's you, not the other anon who just shot yourself in the foot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:26:52 2020 No.14822642 >>14822487 >If he publicly admitted any of this was his own fault, it would look terrible for his brand. Only to his retarded fanboys. Most people will have more respect for someone who can admit their faults, but for him that somehow isn't an option.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:39:51 2020 No.14822702 >>14810099 Dude you have some kind of rhythm. Reading that was almost musical. The phrase "mental illness booms" dropped in the middle of a phat run on sentence was positively concussive. Good shit.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:45:07 2020 No.14822724

>>14814716
I like to think that the dearth of respectable right-wing public intellectuals brought an unmanageable amount of pressure on Peterson. He is a psychologist and a boomer-ass professor. He would have made a comfortable living doing some bits of research and teaching undergrad while occasionally writing letters to the editor of his local paper. Unfortunately for him and the rest of the world, the edgy idiots and conservatards of the internet grabbed him by his lapels and shoved him into a massive cultural spotlight that he was just not spiritually equipped to occupy.

The pressure to be JORDAN B. PETERSON, DESTROYER OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER probably just got to him.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:16:42 2020 No.14822869

>>14815180
>The reason I can't stand leftists is because theirs is no longer an economic program but one of half assed infantilist psychological normalisation. we will all be 'queer' in the future we will all be perpetually angry gender indistinct pink haired entities, we will 'binge' netflix and read teen vogue and reminisce about harry potter.
Let think for a minute. Do you think people who push the progressivist movment are people who read Marx? Let's go a little further, don't you think that the progressivist movment is an ally of the Capital? It's 2020, and most still don't understand. I understood it in 2015. I wonder how many year it will take for people to realize this. Probably 10-15 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:22:54 2020 No.14822896 >>14820465 lol you the retard here

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:25:45 2020 No.14822911

>>14818141
>he had to fly to fucking Russia
The guy had to go to Russia a country that was State socialism (but he thinks it was communism lol) from 1917 to 1991. It's not far fetch to say that he was cured by people who inherited the knowledge of curing addiction from the USSR era. An other contradiction for Mister Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:30:24 2020 No.14822935 >>14822911 >inherited the knowledge of curing addiction from the USSR Yes, it would be ironic. Do they actually cure it though? From what I heard it sounds like they just put you in a coma to spare you the withdrawals.

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