/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14807666]

What are some good intermediate/Advanced meditation books?
I've been meditating for arround 2 years (not consistently) and read some basic books (e.g; meditation in plain english, beyond mediation in plain english)

[Anonymous No.14807675]

Pic related gave me an incredible boost in my sessions, no unnecessary chit chat, just providing a few really strong methods
Highly recommend

[Anonymous No.14808132]

[Anonymous No.14808139]

>>14807666
Meditation is a meme, enjoy mindfucking yourself into permanent psychosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpIvU6ny_M

[Anonymous No.14808204]

>>14808139
this guy is a mega retard catering to secular retards craving popsci

[Anonymous No.14808208]

>>14807675
kundalini is wrong meditation

[Anonymous No.14808223]

>>14808139
cringe material

[Anonymous No.14808296]

>>14808139
Isn't the symbol at the start the pedophile signal?

[Anonymous No.14808330]

>>14808132
yeah this one
you probably can reach stream-entry just with this book

[Anonymous No.14808339]

>>14807666
>Muh spirituality
Go fuck off with your eastern philosophic insights

[Anonymous No.14808358]

Try finding a school and then start reading books about that. Personally, I've followed zen for a while and liked that ok. But when I found taoist meditation, the difference was amazing because it opened me up in a way that zen never did before.

[Anonymous No.14808367]

>>14808139
this is standard conservo-right wing culture here

ie its fucking dumb and the russians will kill us with it

[Anonymous No.14808497]

>>14808132
The only book you need op.
>>14808330
At stage 8 there are is a "Witness" practice aimed to induce no-self insight. But you need a very advanced concentration for this.

[Anonymous No.14808910]

>>14808132
>>14808330
>>14808497
Is this book just a rehash of some other eastern text (in which case, please let me know which one) or is this the best book on the 9-10 stage model of meditation thing?

[Anonymous No.14808939]

>>14808339
Not all of eastern philosophy is spiritual you Anglo ape

[Anonymous No.14808954]

>>14808358
As a zen master and daoist I’ve found that what the zen is for the self (there is one, that combination of skandhas shit is retarded) the dao is for nature in general. When one incorporates the mindset of Zazen in his life he is useful like the bowl that is empty. When the trackless goes about, a path is made when walked on. Zen Buddhism and daoism are only speaking of the same things. When one is enlightened they will see into infinity, and know all.

[Anonymous No.14808992]

>>14808954
Oh great master! What distinguishes a Zen master from just a Zen practitioner?

[Anonymous No.14809050]

>>14808992
currently I am wearing a shirt of 100% cotton.

[Anonymous No.14809078]

>>14808910
The stages are taken from Asanga afaik, but the instructions are completely original with stuff like peripheral awarness, types of dullness etc.

[Anonymous No.14809345]

>>14808910
the guy is about insight practice, so some mix of theravada and tibetan mediation, then he goes full on Mahasi for insight.

It is not good, but nobody is skilled at mediation nowadays.

[Anonymous No.14809349]

>>14808954
zen is hinduism and so wrong view

[Anonymous No.14809388]

>>14808954
Thanks for the comment. Yeah the philosophy of zen is > taoism but I have to say that the taoist meditation is so much better. It's like watching movies in color when you've only seen them in black and white your whole life, just my 2 cents

[Anonymous No.14809487]

>>14809349
Theravada is just Hindu Brahminism but now the laypeople actually have to financially support the Brahmins completely while being given the Noble Lie by the Brahmins(monks) about merit making and these muckfarmer plebs getting to enjoy various heavens even though it flies in the face of anatta.
>life long paid for meditation retreats and borderline object of worship for me, dogmatic life denying moralism coupled with the daily breaking of these precepts just to feed me/live and noble lie for thee.

[Anonymous No.14809508]

I was genuinely surprised how meditation quickly and effectively reduced my anxiety attacks. No fucking joke, I am not esoteric at all but God knows how it worked. Sadly I just stopped after a week or two, because I always used to do it before bed and skipped on it when I was too tired, got too sloppy etc. The positive effect was most definitely there and it showed after the second or third time, but I never really managed to do it for long.

[Anonymous No.14809771]

>>14809508
Undisciplined. Shameful.

[Anonymous No.14809823]

>>14809487
This dudes youtube channel is good

[Anonymous No.14809917]

>>14809823
Yeah its pretty nice, except when he teaches lay people. His specific teachings to lay people amounts to nothing but strict moralism. He even advises all lay people to celibacy.

[Anonymous No.14810005]

>>14809078
It's amusing to me that /lit/ Buddhists shun Asanga and never talk about him and when forced to they say that his teachings go against the Pali Canon and are practically heresy but then they praise a book (nevermind that it was written by a fake guru sex-addict) based on Asanga's stages as the best meditation guide ever

[Anonymous No.14810259]

>>14809050
I hope you're comfortable.

[Anonymous No.14810440]

>>14810005
It's literally one guy. At least I've never read any particular hatred toward Asanga on /lit/. Most discussion about Buddhism is generally pali supremacy or Nagarjuna.

Why would people have anything against Asanga?

[Anonymous No.14810545]

>>14808132
The writer of this book is a redditor and cheated on his wife with prostitutes after writing this book. He stopped only when he got caught. Avoid

[Anonymous No.14810569]

>>14810545
Post attainments

[Anonymous No.14810594]

>>14810545
You are discouraging anons from the only book that has instructions beyond "return to the breath, let it come let it be, and wait patiently for first jhana or A&P".

[Anonymous No.14810596]

>>14810569
>>14810594
Because those are the only instructions one needs.

[Anonymous No.14810598]

>>14810545
Meditation doesn't necessarily make you a good person.

[Anonymous No.14810610]

>>14810598
The author of the book claimed precisely otherwise.

[Anonymous No.14810619]

>>14810594
That sounds like enough instruction to me.

[Anonymous No.14810621]

>>14810596
Yeah, if you are a neet with infinite free time living near a retreat center with a teacher

[Anonymous No.14810634]

>>14810594
how about this?

[Anonymous No.14810636]

>>14810621
You don't need a retreat center nor a teacher.

[Anonymous No.14810659]

>>14810545
Such is human nature.

[Anonymous No.14810683]

>>14810659
Then he shouldn't have made the claims he made.

[Anonymous No.14810705]

>>14810683
Even if that claim was made, it doesn't disprove his teachings.

[Anonymous No.14810712]

>>14810705
It does.
Yates claimed his teachings lead to awakening, he claimed several attainments, he claimed awakening.
He is not awakaned, he is a liar, his teachings don't lead to awakening.

[Anonymous No.14810721]

>>14810712
You are naive if you believe that awakening will stop your desires.

[Anonymous No.14810729]

>>14810721
"Desires" aren't "yours" and "you" have no need to follow them if you are awakened.
This is assuming awakening doesn't stop your desires, which it does

[Anonymous No.14810738]

>>14810729
There are plenty of people claiming they reached awakening at /r/TheMindIlluminated/. Are they all wrong?

[Anonymous No.14810739]

Anything by Saint Teresa of Ávila

>>14808339
>eastern philosophic insights
>eastern
I take it you don't know a literal Roman emperor wrote a book called meditations

[Anonymous No.14810751]

>>14810738
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14810755]

>>14810739
The book's original title has to be translated has "To myself"
The western/eastern distinction is meaningless, though

[Anonymous No.14810767]

>>14810738
TMI mentiones the 4 stages of enlightenment model, but I think that Culadas explicitly equates enlightenment with Insight into no-self. Btw sense desire ends with 3rd path I think

[Anonymous No.14810801]

>>14810729
dude even Theravada says you can straight up kill people after you've entered the stream

[Anonymous No.14810820]

>>14810801
Cheating on your wife is worse than killing people.
There's nothing wrong with killing people in buddhism

[Anonymous No.14810825]

>>14810801
>>14810820
Being a redditor is worse than both.

[Anonymous No.14810826]

>>14810820
>There's nothing wrong with killing people in buddhism
Except the first and probably most important precept.

[Anonymous No.14810827]

>>14810825
I agree.

[Anonymous No.14810869]

>>14810820
>/r/shit4channersays

[Anonymous No.14810880]

>>14810826
Ignorant redditor
>>14810869
Ignorant redditor

[Anonymous No.14810890]

>>14810880
>redditor
Is that supposed to mean something?

[Anonymous No.14810893]

>>14810890
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14810906]

>>14808132
I haven't read TMI myself, but I've heard that it puts too much emphasis into the stages of meditation, which, paradoxically, goes against the whole idea of being non-judgmental, and being okay with the present moment. Can anyone confirm this?

[Anonymous No.14810908]

>>14810893
Share the meaning with us.

[Anonymous No.14810945]

dude let’s strip meditation of all its religious trappings that make people uncomfortable and require radical spiritual change and turn it into a cope that we can commercialize and sell to western rubes lmao

[Anonymous No.14810953]

>>14810945
This has been happening ever since a bunch of Jews started pushing Zen on hippies 60 years ago.

[Anonymous No.14810962]

>>14810906
I don't see how it's a problem. Teaching in stages is simply very effective, it's the whole rationale for it. You could be as easily judgemntal without the stages-model, you'd just have 2 stages: enlightenment and non-enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.14810966]

>>14810906
Yes, some people complain about that. On the other hand breaking meditation into stages helps immensely in recognizing where you are and what you should be doing at the moment.

[Anonymous No.14810994]

I would not recommend learning meditation from a book. You can enhance your meditation experience with reading, but instructions beyond basics ought to be pointed out by a living teacher in a valid tradition.

The reason for this is that meditation - especially intermediate/advanced meditation - is not just a stress reduction exercise, but a spiritually potent method for accomplishing any number of supernatural goals. But spirituality is bankrupt if it does not have a direct, living connection to the divine, and the only way that is found is through a teacher who has inherited that connection (they don't necessarily need to have experienced the divine connection themselves, merely to carry a lineage of the blessing from someone who did).

If you're content with basic meditation, your basic books will do fine. If you want intermediate/advanced tactics, find a teacher.

[Anonymous No.14811042]

I found Mindfulness by Joseph Goldstein to be useful/interesting.

[Anonymous No.14811049]

>>14811042
>(((Goldstein)))
Imagine, the world is full of excellent treaties on meditation from a wide range of people from Buddhist societies and you choose to have a Jew interpret it for you. Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.14811058]

[Anonymous No.14811272]

>>14810994
>living connection to the divine
nice meme

[Anonymous No.14811336]

>>14811049
Based. Although trying to find a Jew-free Buddhist society or book these days is increasingly difficult. Pic related is good