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[Anonymous No.14783956]

>Al-Ghazali

Cringe. The guy freely used Hadiths grades as bogus, like "the ink of the scholar is worth more than the blood of the martyr". He wanted to feel better about being a nerd instead of a warrior. Read Chad volcel Ibn Taymiyyah, who was taken to court by his slave taken in jihad because he refused to have sex with her

>Nasr
Extremely cringe. Ultra secularist and perennialist who thinks stoning is bad. Read based Maududi, a powerful scholar who theorized that reactionary Islam would be the next world revolution after Marxism failed

Also check out My Life With the Taliban if you like war memoirs

[Anonymous No.14783994]

>>14783956
the irony of that picture escaped me for far too long.

[Anonymous No.14783999]

>>14783956
Man, what do Muslims even want? I mean you come here, the first thing you want to do is change everything. I mean I get maybe turning back the clock a bit, but we've got it set for decades, you've got it set for centuries.

[Anonymous No.14784020]

It's going to be the Muslims and the Catholics who duke it out over the fate of the planet, the rest of us are just bystanders.

[Anonymous No.14784024]

>>14783956
i want things to go back to 60's sometimes too, but I can't live in the past. These are the people I've got to work with, this is my flock.

[Anonymous No.14784028]

>>14784020
seriously, protestants sold their damn soul on live TV.

[Anonymous No.14784039]

>>14784020
catholics have no fighting spirit. they have numbers. but they aren't fighters anymore, sorry to break it to you. the real fight is going to be between neoliberalism and everyone else including but not limited to islam

[Anonymous No.14784071]

>>14784039
i think the irony of Neo-Liberalism is that in practice it is about preserving classical values without the benefit of a modern context.

"This worked in the very near past so it must therefore apply to what is going on now"

[Anonymous No.14784082]

>>14784071
we are insisting upon the principle of equality, instead of the practice of equality. We insist that all are of equal merit instead of the idea that all are entitled to meritorious opportunity.

Everyone should be given a chance to excel and succeed.

[Anonymous No.14784087]

>>14784039
>catholics have no fighting spirit. they have numbers. but they aren't fighters anymore, sorry to break it to you.

It's not the 20th Century any more, Anon.

[Anonymous No.14784096]

>>14784082
You know, i feel like i had my chance, and I blew it. I didn't recognize my enemies and my cause suffered for it. But that shouldn't prevent other aspirants from seeking.

[Anonymous No.14784109]

>>14784020
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZwnJ1cE1s

[Anonymous No.14784117]

>>14783999
Yes. We will liberate you from liberalism.

[Anonymous No.14784269]

>>14784087
How many men has he killed?

[Anonymous No.14784274]

>>14784269
How many Africans have converted from Islam to Christianity? We'll take that continent from you one baptism at a time.

[Anonymous No.14784278]

>Al-Ghazali
a disgusting zindiq like the rest of his ilk, may the soil lie light upon him

[Anonymous No.14784300]

>>14784274
Well looking at North Africa, the trend is the reverse. In fact throughout Africa the trend is Islam is growing faster than Christianity. Also unlike you we kill apostates.

[Anonymous No.14784311]

>>14783999
Check out the film Young Ahmed (2019). It does a good job exploring the psyche of the muzzie. Anyways, please don't lump all MErs with muzzies. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.14784328]

>>14784311
Taliban Country is better

[Anonymous No.14784347]

>>14784328
I disagree. There's a difference between a muzzie being radicalized in a peaceful European country versus using tactics of fear to fight off Amerimutts. The former is bad, the latter is a necessity to protect one's country. If it weren't Islam, they would use other means to protect their country from intervention. However, bringing that resentment to innocent civilians in a country they migrate to is the problem. That's why Young Ahmed is more interesting.

[Anonymous No.14784362]

>>14784347
Young Ahmed is fiction. So no it's not.

By the way, the Charlie Hedbo shooter did nothing wrong. France is a filthy, blasphemous land and a rogue state since the French Revolution. If you don't recognize God, you are not entitled to sovereignty. The French tried to impose secularism on us (pic related, Algeria in the 1950's). "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind."

إن شاء الله

[Anonymous No.14784371]

>>14784362
All you're going to do is make Europeans get angry and resort to cleansing their lands in order to protect their Christian and pre-Abrahamic aspects of their cultures. You deserve it, honestly. The issue is non-Muslims may be lumped up with you.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. The Europeans are not asking much, but you keep trying to impose your ways onto them. It is not right, and the more behave like this, the more likely it becomes that Mecca may be nuked.
>By the way, the Charlie Hedbo shooter did nothing wrong
Yes, what he did is wrong. Just ignore whatever pisses you off. You don't have to kill people over it.

[Anonymous No.14784388]

>>14784362
>If you don't recognize God, you are not entitled to sovereignty
The concept of God was initially created to ground moral dualism. There are many ways one can go about grounding a moral dualism. Likewise, even if one's metaphysics has certain wholes, the important thing is the moral dualism.
If you cannot oblige following basic concepts of goodness, such as respecting others' boundaries/freedom, not giving into feelings of vengeance, not raping, not harming innocents over trivial matters (e.g., depiction of Muhammad), or whatever, then it's you who doesn't deserve to exist.
Good and evil is more important than God, since the concept of free-will logically necessitates a degree of independence of the features of good and evil. You should make life simple and privilege the good over the evil. Harming others, outside of self-defense, is evil, period.

[Anonymous No.14784393]

>>14784300
The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church. We'll win, in the end. Nobody converts to your religion, and your birthrates aren't sustainable. And of course, we have Christ Himself.

Also eventually we'll pry the Arab World open to Jesuit missionaries. It's only a matter of time before we force our way into Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE. Why are you allowed to come into our countries, but we're not allowed to come into yours? That will change, in our lifetimes.

[Anonymous No.14784395]

>>14784388
>wholes
holes*

[Anonymous No.14784397]

>>14784371
Wallahi you have tried to impose your way of life on us. You partioned us. You bomb us. Now that you are find you cannot subjugate us so easily, you say we must respect your sovereignty? This is only because you have become weak. If you could reproduce and fight surely you would occupy us as you did a few decades ago. You tried to inflict your filthy values on us. But you have become soft. Complacent. Your men are scared of dying. Your women are scared of having children.

[Anonymous No.14784406]

>>14784388
>If you cannot oblige following basic concepts of goodness, such as respecting others' boundaries/freedom,
Please. You have never respected such. From Rome to the French in Algeria to America in Iraq. You are just out of breath and trying to turn your weakness into a virtue

[Anonymous No.14784408]

>>14784397
Yielding to feelings of vengeance is not what a man of God would do. There are many things in life one can feel slighted by, but a man of god knows not to take the pain personally and instead embrace forgiveness and do his best to be Good. Yes, there are many jingoist Westerners, but there are also many kind ones. The proper course of action is to set aside your feelings of vengeance and look forward with Love rather than encouraging hatred over trivial things like depiction of Muhammad.
Just be respectful and kind to others. Never harm others outside of self-defense. Why do you act like this is hard?

[Anonymous No.14784410]

>>14784028
Protestants are conservative/traditional in the Americas, whereas Catholics are seen as the spiritually weak ones. It is the opposite in Europe though. Catholicism has been infilitrated for quite some time now. Protestants have the advantage of decentralization.

[Anonymous No.14784411]

>>14784397
Based. As an Orthodox Christian, I fully support you guys wiping out the natural consequence of Roman Papist degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.14784413]

>>14784406
The average European and American is not involved in policy decision-making. Even voting doesn't mean much. Must people want to focus on their own lives and not get further involved in interventionist wars. If you want interventionist wars to end, there are more civilized ways to go about this. Giving into feelings of vengeance is not the noble way. I know this may be easier said than done, but I recommend meditation.

[Anonymous No.14784422]

>>14784393
What? You have spent the colonialist era in our countries. No one cares about your church, you are nothing, you are too frightened by your own government. You can't ban abortion or homosexuality because you respect liberalism and democracy. You are afraid to die. Otherwise you would be doing more about your own lands

[Anonymous No.14784426]

>>14784422
Oh, ye of little faith.

[Anonymous No.14784428]

>>14784408
We will never take it lightly when you mock our Prophet, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam. That magazine depicted Jesus, alayhe salam, being sodomized, and you were to cowardly to act. We aren't

[Anonymous No.14784431]

>>14784428
You are a fucking Wahhabist subhuman.

[Anonymous No.14784432]

>>14784413
The only way to end them is by winning. Not by liberal dialoguing

[Anonymous No.14784440]

>>14784431
Wallahi I do not even read him. This is not his invention. It is from the Prophet, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam, who said men who die in defense of their honor or his are martyrs

[Anonymous No.14784441]

>>14784411
Your Church is a graveyard that has spent the last 500 years rotting in Greece, the Balkans, and Russia. Bartholomew has no power and no moral authority, Kirill is a stooge for Putin, and you are in schism over Ukraine. You didn't even manage to not have a sex-abuse crisis. We'll vacuum you up at the Third Council of Nicaea five years from now. Never come at us over our problems because yours are worse, you're just better at hiding them because your liturgy is more elaborate and more ornate. We'll get you, the Copts, and probably the Anglicans too, and then, THEN we'll deal with Islam. All united, just like old times.

[Anonymous No.14784445]

>>14784408
>>14784426
You don't understand Islam and Muslim culture. Revenge is perfectly acceptable and they have a different conception of nobility. It is not noble to take abuse from other people. You forget that their prophet was a successful warlord; not the type to turn the other cheek.

I understand where he is coming from. However, I (and presumably you) will not make it easy for him to get his revenge.

[Anonymous No.14784453]

>>14784411
You think we bear any better feelings toward you after Bosnia? After your secularist crusade in Syria? We have some friendship in Palestine

[Anonymous No.14784456]

>>14784441
*infallibly kisses nigger feet while leading a clown mass*
OMG SO MUCH THIS!
DEUS VULT!!!

[Anonymous No.14784463]

>>14784441
>>14784456

I am converting to Catholicism, bros.

[Anonymous No.14784466]

>>14784445
I agree, this is why I wish Iran remained Zoroastrian or Manichaeist, at least. I am not particularly fond of Christianity, but I admit it's better than Judaism and Islam. Islam cannot be secularized because there is an innate desire to reconnect to one's religious founder. Muhammad was, indeed, a savage warlord, yes, and there is really no disputing that fact. It's kind of unfortunate reality because if Muhammad weren't batshit insane, the religion wouldn't have had this problem.
Granted, I would advise you to be equally, if not more, careful of the Jews. While Muslims seem to be directly confrontational and violent, Jews are much more subtle and subversive, which makes them more difficult to deal with.

[Anonymous No.14784467]

>>14784445
To be honest, when I'm not ANGRY, I'd rather talk to them and convert them than kill them. Nobody deserves to go to Hell, not even jihadists. Hell is awful and should not be wished on anyone.

In an ideal world we could break their power structures nonviolently and then just preach the Gospel to them. I think there are lots of Muslims who would love to learn about Christ. They're mostly born into the faith in an entirely Muslim environment, they don't get to hear the Truth, except when it's twisted by their upbringing. I don't hold it against them for having the attitudes they have. I should probably pray for them, that things go well for them.

[Anonymous No.14784474]

>>14784466
>Islam cannot be secularized
Is this somehow supposed to be a bad thing about Islam?

[Anonymous No.14784478]

>>14784467
Are you okay with Manichaeists? I think Mani made more sense than St. Augustine.

[Anonymous No.14784485]

>>14784474
Well, you know, if the religion is prone to being violent and warlike, you kind of want it to secularize or at least tone down. You really need to chill and drink some wine or something.

[Anonymous No.14784494]

>>14784466
>NOOOOO, conquering and having slaves is INSANE!!

How was he worse than Romans?

[Anonymous No.14784499]

>>14784494
Well, you know, most saints throughout history have discouraged conquering and have slaves. It's just not a good thing to do.

[Anonymous No.14784501]

>>14784485
Secularism is prone to being violent and warlike

[Anonymous No.14784503]

>>14784478
I'll pray for you too. Here's a hint: Manicheanism is wrong and Augustine is right.

[Anonymous No.14784507]

>>14784485
>Well, you know, if the religion is prone to being violent and warlike, you kind of want it to secularize or at least tone down. You really need to chill and drink some wine or something.

[Anonymous No.14784509]

>>14784499
Augustine (who said slavery was divine punishment for the slave) and Aquinas said prostitution should be legal to keep men tame. I don't have much regard for your saints.

[Anonymous No.14784513]

>>14784503
Well, you're not going to get me that far because I know St. Augustine was wrong. In fact, his whole philosophy was made out of ressentiment over not becoming an Elect.
Regardless, we share in common ground in regards to Islam's disposition towards violence.

[Anonymous No.14784514]

>>14784478
>I think Mani made more sense than St. Augustine
lel, the Manichean Aphthonius of Alexandria literally died from getting BTFO in a public debate with an Arian. Probably the only time in history such a thing has happened.

[Anonymous No.14784516]

>>14784501
Nobody who really knows God is violent, the only exception I can think of is muslims who think wifebeating is condoned.

[Anonymous No.14784517]

>>14784507
I mean, I'm not beyond using violence for self-defense or to purge unsavory ideologies like Islam and Judaism. When you know an ideology encourages either violence or subversion, it's better to eliminate immediately, forcefully if necessary.

[Anonymous No.14784526]

>>14784513
It's fine if we disagree. You're free to believe whatever you want. I am just hoping that during your cleansing of Muslim filth, you broaden what you consider acceptable ideologies. Living side-by-side with a Gnostic and Buddhist is easier than a Muslim, don't you agree?
Also, please do not conflate race with religious identification. I will help you in euthanizing or shooting down Muslims so long as it is not based purely on race.

[Anonymous No.14784530]

>>14784514
It's fine if we disagree. You're free to believe whatever you want. I am just hoping that during your cleansing of Muslim filth, you broaden what you consider acceptable ideologies. Living side-by-side with a Gnostic and Buddhist is easier than a Muslim, don't you agree?
Also, please do not conflate race with religious identification. I will help you in euthanizing or shooting down Muslims so long as it is not based purely on race.

[Anonymous No.14784531]

>>14784526
>Gnostic and Buddhist
So atheist subhumans? Those should be purged before Muslims in any sane worldview.

[Anonymous No.14784538]

>>14784531
Alright, you're acting no better than the Mudslime. You think Pisslam is better than Gnostics and Buddhism because past Catholic enmities? I guess Protestants have a point with their criticisms of certain trends in Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.14784541]

>>14784516
Certainly we condone it, but we condone beating men too. A man can beat his wife for major transgressions (say, drinking, or listening to Madonna) according to the the penal rubrics, that I with a stick, but not in the face or uncovered skin. He must use only his forearm and not leave bruising or bleeding. Now for these transgressions a man should also be beaten but by another man and with back uncovered as per Sharia.

[Anonymous No.14784585]

>>14784538
>Catholics
Those fall under atheism too though.

[Anonymous No.14784600]

>>14784585
Wait, you're the Orthodox Christian? I thought Orthodox were more mystical. You guys have a vehement hatred of Gnosticism and non-Abrahamic faiths too? I can understand the desire to purge Islam and Judaism, but I think you'd make more enemies than you'd need to by targeting Dharmic, Gnostic, or other religions.

[Anonymous No.14784721]

>>14784600
>mysticism is pacifist

Please look up the Safavids. They were a Shia Sufi order that established Shia dominance in Persia by massacring all the Sunnis and bringing in Arab Sufi scholars

[Anonymous No.14784965]

>>14784517
>When you know an ideology encourages either violence or subversion, it's better to eliminate immediately, forcefully if necessary.
So yours included

[Anonymous No.14784977]

>>14784428
Mohammed was a nigger, and niggers should hang from trees.
You can then follow your prophet's "sunna" and also hang from trees, niggers. All hail Brenton Tarrant!

[Anonymous No.14785004]

>>14784411
>>14784441
Cringe. I bet both of you don't even go to mass and LARP on the interwebz

[Anonymous No.14785672]

>>14785004
Not everyone is inauthentic

[Anonymous No.14785739]

>>14783956
>who was taken to court by his slave taken in jihad because he refused to have sex with her
Damn, women really are evil, aren't they?

[Anonymous No.14785854]

>>14785739
A concubine is different from a wife but has certain rights. He actually had many concubines he enslaved in war and taught many women but he refused to have sex because he said getting attached to a woman turned men into slaves of the woman

[Anonymous No.14785862]

>>14784977
>all hail the kike stooge who never named the jew or shot bankers

[Anonymous No.14785946]

>>14785672
Yeah, hoping that an African who is openly for mass African immigration to Europe gets elected Pope because he'll let you kick non-Whites out of Europe and call a Crusade is "authentic".

[Anonymous No.14785999]

>>14785946
Sarah is anti-globalism

[Anonymous No.14786005]

>>14785946
I have no racial animosity towards whites. This may shock you but one of the most influential theorists of radical Islam (he was extremely literalist and believed Muslims should impose Sharia even on Dhimmi) was Ibn Hazm, who was born to Spanish parents who converted. He had a decisive impact on al-Shawakani, the original theorist of the modern Salafi movement. Indeed I embrace white Muslims as brothers, Chechnyns and Bosnians are two clear examples. It would be much better for you to convert and make Europe Muslim yourselves

[Anonymous No.14786681]

>>14785999
He's a nationalist?

[Anonymous No.14787551]

>>14784977
You are a nobody with no will or way

[Anonymous No.14788891]

>>14784530
Bugman

[Anonymous No.14789056]

>this thread

The rest of the 21st Century is going to be fucking insane, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.14789248]

>>14789056
We go hard

[Anonymous No.14790628]

>>14788891
How am I a bugman? I think Hepthalites were cool. They were like Buddhist barbarians.
>>14787551
Afghans will leave behind Islam in the future but still be hardcore.

[Anonymous No.14790689]

>>14784721
i think academic journals would be more interesting if they were only accepted on the basis of trial by combat.

[Anonymous No.14791000]

>>14790628
No they won't because the people for leaving it behind are pederasts the Islamists wipe the floor with

[Anonymous No.14791059]

>>14783956
>Read based Maududi, a powerful scholar who theorized that reactionary Islam would be the next world revolution after Marxism failed
In what book does he write about this? I've only heard of his tafsir.

[Anonymous No.14791630]

>>14791059
You haven't touched his theoretical works? Aw, man, you're in for a treat

[Anonymous No.14791942]

>>14784466
>. I am not particularly fond of Christianity, but I admit it's better than Judaism and Islam. Islam cannot be secularized
So Christianity is better because you can subjugate it?

[Anonymous No.14792006]

>>14784440
Heres some constructive criticism: go kill yourself, while i take a shit directly on the unflattering picture of your god that I just drew. She a steamer

[Anonymous No.14792085]

>>14792006
You are a nobody and no woman will ever want to have your babies

[Anonymous No.14792385]

>>14790628
>Nothing is dearer to me than a frosty night in the company of an infantry of Muhajirun when we are to attack the disbelievers in the morning. Not even the night in which I was wedded to a new bride or received the glad tidings of the birth of a new child.

-Khalid ibn al Walid

[Anonymous No.14792900]

>>14784422
Based. Please destroy Europe.

[Anonymous No.14792925]

>>14791942
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14792955]

>>14784445
>I'm too cowardly to resist Shaytan from taking over my country but I will call this cowardice and the rise of liberalism "turning the other cheek"

Wallahi Christians invert noble values

[Anonymous No.14792981]

>>14792925
To Brave New World,no doubt

[Anonymous No.14793040]

>>14789056

>The rest of the 21st century will be religious people wasting science's time

it will be the weight of well-recorded evidence we need to convince other atheists that non-atheist people are sub-human barbarians who believe nothing in particular, change belief systems all the time and basically just wildly mutate like viruses. I always knew that we atheists would have to put the rest of you down .

[Anonymous No.14793067]

>>14793040
Atheists don't reproduce so we don't care what you think. Your women will be our concubines إن شاء الله

[Anonymous No.14793941]

>>14784441
>and THEN

It will be too late, you had massive numerical superiority for hundreds of years since the Spanish. You just recently list that and it's getting worse. Now you be will deal with Islam when your church is the most tolerant and non agressive it's ever been?

[Anonymous No.14794347]

>>14793941
We have Christ and you don't.

Also, check the adherence rates in Egypt and other parts of North Africa. We're not the only ones dealing with apostates.

[Anonymous No.14794585]

>>14794347
Egypt has a secular dictatorship that literally tortures and kills Muslims who are too open in practice, the only Muslim school not underground is al-Azhar and that is because the Grand Imam is very regimist and secularist. We actually fought back there multiple times like we are in Syria. These states and secularized militariies were established by colonialists, rest assured we will never forget what you inflicted on us

Jesus, alayhe salam, is our Messiah as well, we believe he will return to be the final Khalifa and lead us in jihad against the Antichrist who will be worshipped by the Jews

[Anonymous No.14794659]

Do you ever stop and think sometimes, what if these religions were true? What if the creator of the universe and transcendent ground of all being was a guy who liked smashing humans together like dolls playing war? And all there was to life was picking a book, and if you choose the right one you get a garden where you have sex forever?

It would just be really funny if that's how the universe was.

[Anonymous No.14794704]

>>14794659
Only Islam has Tawhid

[Anonymous No.14795009]

>>14794347
>We have Christ
Aren't you a Carholic who submits to a literal idol-worshipper? I don't think Christ (pbuh) would approve such behaviour.

[Anonymous No.14795043]

>>14794347
>We have Christ and you don't.
Ok, now this is just cope.