/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14778740]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.14778745]

>>14778740
Idk I don’t argue with racists.

[Anonymous No.14778748]

DESPITE

[Anonymous No.14778754]

>>14778740
Racists are always right and 100% justified. So I don't see this book as offering anything really.

[Anonymous No.14778756]

>>14778754
Huh, I guess that means whites really are evil.

[Anonymous No.14778762]

>>14778756
Cant one have a nuanced racism?

Also, yah, whites are literally the devil.

[Anonymous No.14778763]

>>14778740
actually how do you argue with a racist? for example, I really hate fat people. if a fatty tried to explain why it's healthy to be fat, no matter what argument he brought out I would probably just continue to ask him how he's able to wipe properly. how can a minority actually argue with a guy who firmly believes black people to be inferior? should he just beat the shit out of the white guy?

[Anonymous No.14778766]

I wouldn't be racist if non-whites weren't violent and stupid

[Anonymous No.14778773]

>>14778740
>arguing with someone who isn't
Should've just spent that time reading something good.

[Anonymous No.14778774]

>>14778740
Racists have a stubborn tendency to be utter dumbfucks. Arguing with them is largely a fruitless endeavor (although I still do it for shits and giggles on occasion).

[Anonymous No.14778778]

>>14778740
You really need to read a book to argue with them because they are too smart (racists have higher IQs)

[Anonymous No.14778785]

>>14778763
an appeal to common values, without resentment, assertions of moral superiority or victimhood are why the civil rights movement worked (in the sense that it actually made some people less racist)

[Anonymous No.14778795]

>>14778766
violence and stupidity isn't an inherently non-white thing

[Anonymous No.14778847]

>>14778762
I'm not sure if it's easier or harder for racism to have nuance if it's ALL true.

[Anonymous No.14778851]

>>14778785
The problem is, the Civil Rights Movement obviously didn't work on these fuckers.

[Anonymous No.14778927]

The hard biological determinist types of racists are ultimately nihilistic to the point where that meaningful discourse with them is impossible, but cynicism towards race relations leading one to be a little tribalistic is more than understandable in this day and age.

[Anonymous No.14778943]

>>14778740
you don't argue with racists, you just turn yourself into one.

[Anonymous No.14779004]

Lmao you're never going to have an argument that makes me stop hating niggers. Its like trying to argue the sky isn't blue or the sun doesn't rise in the east. I mean, you can, but you'd be an idiot to try. I became a racist by personal experience and observing a simple thing called reality. The idea that you're going to redefine my life for me (and reality in general) is a laughable notation at best.

So come at me with everything you've got, fools, I'd love to watch you try ;^)

[Anonymous No.14779025]

>>14778763
You don't argue at all, or anyway, the only reason you should ever argue with anyone is if you need a hit of self-righteousness. The best thing is to "show don't tell," that is, demonstrate your position through your actions. The way that plays out in the real world will be more convincing than any argument.

[Anonymous No.14779051]

>>14779004
Translation: you have a sub-100 IQ.

[Anonymous No.14779052]

>>14778785
That might work for someone who has a rational view of race, but it doesn't work for someone who's racism is derived from personal experience. How are you supposed to convince a person to drop his racist views when he is raised and lives around niggers who act like niggers?

[Anonymous No.14779059]

>>14779052
They need to grow up and get over it.

[Anonymous No.14779090]

>>14779059
That would imply we would be able to look at reality objectively (which we can't) and come to correct observations when it comes to race (which is impossible). The conclusions he draws from his own experiences are not invalidated just because they don't conform to the "right" way of thinking, especially when he has similar experiences over and over again. The whole thing is subjective.

[Anonymous No.14779116]

>>14779090
Subjectivity also isn't a get out of jail free card. If you recognize the role of subjectivity in your understanding of the world, that should make you less inclined to just go along with the obvious generalizations of your own experience. You should realize that the variety of experiences out there means you should put more work into walking in others' shoes, rather than going with the first thing that comes to your mind.

[Anonymous No.14779466]

>>14779059
You know what anon, youre right, I never thought about it until you said that. Grown up, wow. You could be the next Plato. Amazing!

[Anonymous No.14779488]

>>14778740
This is how arguments with racists usually goes on 4chan
on /b/, they'll disregard the studies i cite as propaganda because it had one Jewish person performing it
on /mu/, they'll cal me a Jew or Chapofag or something
on /lit/, they usually cite their own anecdotes and opinions as proofs of some race's inferiority
The most frustrating thing about arguing with them is how they refuse to believe that there could be any other reason for race difference than genetics.

[Anonymous No.14779490]

>>14778740
niggers

[Anonymous No.14779515]

>>14779488
t.you

[Anonymous No.14779553]

Arguing against the truth is an uphill battle and it's why "anti-racists" don't engage with arguments. If you want to convince somebody to stop being racist you need sophistry. You need to trick them or make them submit.

[Anonymous No.14779682]

>>14778740
I just skimmed through and i'm not impressed. He basically keeps saying "while it is true x and y, z is just bad and a consequence of z.
>While it is true that some of the pioneers of anthropology had scientific principles at heart, the othering of people in potential or actual colonies has the effect of permitting subjugation. It is far easier to sell the case for occupation and enslavement if you are persuaded that the indigenous people are different, have different origins, and are qualitatively inferior to colonists.
Part 2 starts with the following:
>When all you’ve ever known is privilege, equality feels like oppression. White nationalists marching in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017 felt compelled to march carrying tiki torches (a Polynesian technology) chanting ‘Jews will not replace us!’ The following day, among civil unrest and violence between various factions of racists and anti-racist protestors, thirty-two-year-old Heather Heyer was murdered by a white supremacist.
Woah dude, it's hypocritical of whitey to use an invention made by polynesisans. It's just this level of discussion throughout the book.
Part 3 (called black power btw) has the only discussion in the book involving actual numbers and it's about some bong celebrity who found out he was distantly related to some king, but how most Euros have a high chance to be related to a king if you go back far enough. Meh, I bet alt-rights would admit to being distantly related to Genghis Khan so I don't really see what this adds to the discussion. 1/?

[Anonymous No.14779689]

>>14779025
>you are a kuffar allahu akbhar
Now what? You can't argue anymore you are dead

[Anonymous No.14779693]

>>14778740
oh god. to think rutherford was once a promising scientist. now he turns out bait like this. what a disappointment

[Anonymous No.14779698]

>>14779051
Wow this post convinced me. Thanks, anon, I really do see how we are all equal now

[Anonymous No.14779703]

>>14778740
Bullshit book

[Anonymous No.14779708]

Friendly reminder that viewing niggers as inferior is not racist, because it's a fact.

[Anonymous No.14779712]

>>14779698
>we are all equal now
Not quite. You are many notches below, as it were.

[Anonymous No.14779717]

>>14779682
In part 4 we get to the spicy discussion on IQ and while he says:
>It is often said that this is a taboo subject, and that honest discussions around race, intelligence and genetics are the preserve of brave crusaders who refuse to kowtow to intellectual censorship born of denying reality. A cliché that is bandied around often asserts that scientists ‘sacrifice truth at the altar of political correctness’. I don’t recognise this picture, and it seems often to be conjured by people casting themselves in this aggrandising heretical light – truth seekers versus those who pervert scientific purity. The mainstream press and online niches foment this polarisation, frequently conflating ideas via glib phrases that serve to nurture this conflict – ‘virtue signalling’, the term ‘snowflakes’ and meaningless slogans such as ‘facts don’t care about feelings’ – all designed to evoke a sense that there is a culture war between a side that seeks only to reveal the hidden truth, and one that wishes to suppress it.
is pretty reasonable I suppose, interesting jab at the Shapiros of the world, but only a few paragraphs later we get:
>In a 2018 documentary, Watson, by then old and infirm, indicated that he hadn’t changed his mind, despite publicly apologising in 2007 for those very same comments. It is a shame that a life punctuated by truly great scientific achievement should end under the shadow of ignorant self-imposed ostracism. In 2019, Watson’s lab at Cold Spring Harbour removed all of his remaining titles and his portrait, as did other labs around the world. The platform he had earned though epoch-defining research had been eroded by his repeated expression of scientifically ignorant and straightforwardly racist views.
>Q is a single number, but intelligence is not a single thing, and the genetic component to intelligence is most emphatically not a single gene. The most recent studies identify scores of genetic variants that correlate en masse with better results in cognitive tests.
Who is he debunking here? No one said IQ was a single gene, or that IQ doesn't have multiple components.
>I am unaware of strong evidence that success in business correlates with significantly above average intelligence.
Oh come on. "I've never seen it so it doesn't exist!"
>Medieval moneylending is not exactly rocket science and it’s definitely not medieval brain surgery.
got em
2/3

[Anonymous No.14779725]

>>14779682
>>14779717
Cute

[Anonymous No.14779734]

>>14778740
White people have committed more genocide than any other race. Fucking animals that have no morals or shame.

[Anonymous No.14779741]

>>14779734
therefore we replace them with ghetto nigs, islamic arabs and gypsies, those are full of morals and have shame

[Anonymous No.14779747]

Im pretty racist but Ifk why you would want to argue with one, modern race diacourse is pure cancer and no one ever comes out a winner. There are so many forms of "racism" that the term racist can be applied to just about anyone

[Anonymous No.14779750]

>>14779682
>frequently conflating ideas via glib phrases that serve to nurture this conflict
How ironic.
>IQ is a single number, but intelligence is not a single thing, and the genetic component to intelligence is most emphatically not a single gene. The most recent studies identify scores of genetic variants that correlate en masse with better results in cognitive tests.
Rutherford is weird, he can apparently read the writing on the wall, but not comprehend the implications.

[Anonymous No.14779756]

>>14779734
>what is asia
>what is history

[Anonymous No.14779757]

>>14779750
Very weird

[Anonymous No.14779779]

>>14778774
Blacks are over represented in almost all types of crimes, and this stems from having lower cognitive abilities than their white hosts. Convince me otherwise.

[Anonymous No.14779782]

>>14779717
His conclusion is this:
1) Human variation is real: local adaptations in our evolutionary past account for a lot of the physical differences we see in living populations, but certainly not all.
2) The dominance of skin colour as a racial classifier is based on historical pseudoscience primarily invented during the years of European empire-building and colonial expansion.
3) The primary physical characteristics of race are not representative of overall similarities or difference between people and populations.
We see broad geographical clustering of people and populations on the basis of sampled genetic markers, but the borders are fuzzy and continuous.
4) Concepts of racial purity are ahistorical and pseudoscientific. People move and reproduce with great vigour, and admixture between different and previously separate populations is the norm. That is why humans are so successful.
5) Genetic differences between populations do not account for differences in academic, intellectual, musical or sporting performance between those populations.
6) Race is a social construct. This does not mean it is invalid or unimportant. Humans are social animals, and the way we perceive each other is of paramount importance. But it does mean that the colloquial use of race is a taxonomy that is not supported by our understanding of fundamental biology, meaning genetics and evolution.
I take issue with 2 and 6. 2 is a strawman, alt-righters will happily tell you that they think race is more than skin colour and at this point they'recompletely lack the ambition of old school empire builders. Perhaps he's just complaining that people use lay terminology?
I agree with the first half of 3, that physical characterisitcs don't really mean much, but I don't agree that human evolution is a perfect continuum. It's just a limitation of being in the physical word that all things are ultimately discrete.I don't agree with 6 because race is not 100% a social construct so the way he asserts that is not correct. I mean his whole book is based on the idea that race has some grounding in the real world.
>The following people have helped me formulate my ideas either directly by peer reviewing earlier drafts, or simply through their work, and I am grateful to each of of them. The work is theirs, any errors are mine: David Lammy
If it's the same David Lammy I'm thinking of this book was just a massive waste of time.

[Anonymous No.14779791]

>>14779116
>You should realize that the variety of experiences out there means you should put more work into walking in others' shoes
This, you should really try and understand why racists might feel the way that they do

[Anonymous No.14779802]

>>14779779
Males in general are over-represented even worse. Ready to die?

[Anonymous No.14779806]

>>14778927
Biological determinism isn't even good biology.

[Anonymous No.14779812]

>>14779791
Why are you racist?

[Anonymous No.14779823]

>>14779782
1) he thinks physical adaptations to local environments spared the brain
2) The whole point of racism is that the difference it is not skin deep, but spotting a certain gene pool, while a layman method, is generally reliable.
3) continuum fallacy.
4) Homogeneous populations do better than heterogeneous ones. the only seeming exceptions are places where the ruling class is homogeneous ruling over a diverse underclass.
5) Simply wrong. there are as many black swimming gold medalists as their are white track medalists.
6) whatabouttism. We make policy using social constructs very day, that race is treated as the exception is the point.

Remember kids, the only reason they teach you anti-racism is because a population with race riots is hard to control.

[Anonymous No.14779829]

>>14779779
Lower intelligence is not enough to expalain black crime. Blacks actually commit more crime than equally intelligent whites. There appears to be an aggression/cultural factor.
>>14779802
Every society accepts that 90%+ of those in prison will be male, but when the disparity is racial it suddenly becomes a great injustice that must be equalised.

[Anonymous No.14779835]

>>14779812
I'm not, I just completely understand why people are. Not from the kneejerk-type racist rhetoric though, but the rational middle class-type racist. I don't slight them for their feelings, and I am especially tickled when minority group A expresses to me their disdain for minority group B. It's hilarious when they say it about each other.

[Anonymous No.14779840]

I honestly dont really care about IQ but i do believe white girls are the most attractive. Thats far more important than anything else.

[Anonymous No.14779856]

>>14779782
Cant point 4 basically be used to justify empires though?

[Anonymous No.14779859]

>>14779840
10/10/7

[Anonymous No.14779862]

>>14779840
Marry fuck kill

[Anonymous No.14779867]

>>14779052
I would ask why they continue to subject themselves to such suffering. And if they are racists surrounded by minorities or whathaveyou, why they dont just leave to a more appealing part of city, county,state nation, or world?

[Anonymous No.14779869]

>>14779867
Easier said than done, but yeah is white flight inherently bad though?

[Anonymous No.14779891]

>>14779869
You are saying its easier to live amongst " scum " than to realize every racist ideal?
interesting.
its like you arent really racist, but really a helpless bitch that needs a hug.

[Anonymous No.14779897]

>>14779782
>People move and reproduce with great vigour, and admixture between different and previously separate populations is the norm. That is why humans are so successful.
I see this point made but they usually brush over what 'admixture' means - if it's significant enough to be detected by genetic analysis of ancient DNA then it was probably a large scale invasion and then enslavement/rape of the female population, or taking them as wives to the detriment on the males. These events are important, as it's usually a technologically superior population expanding into a weak population, thus spreading technology plus their genes (which may have allowed them to develop the technology), but as we've had drilled into us:colonialism is utterly evil and a stain upon the white race, even if it allowed for the creation of mestizos and spread modern european technology across the globe.

[Anonymous No.14779909]

>>14779488
Not racist, but you sound like a faggot
>/b/
>/mu/
you're definitely a faggot

[Anonymous No.14779917]

Why doesn't niggers just move back to Africa if white men are so evil and horrible? I'm sure mud huts and malaria is far preferable.

[Anonymous No.14779923]

>>14779917
Why would they leave their homes?

[Anonymous No.14779950]

>>14779867
and then once they moved you would REEEEE about white flight and demand access to their new neighborhood

[Anonymous No.14779982]

Just discuss the history of minorities. Like no shit they are poor since in America they were enslaved. When freed, they were still ostracized and forced into slums.
But most racists do not support it because they believe it, they develop the feeling of superiority because they feel weak in our increasingly distant world. So do not argue with them, you are trying to dismantle ego.

[Anonymous No.14779989]

>>14778740
>no oxford comma
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.14779994]

>>14778740
IF YOU HAVE TO

[Anonymous No.14780013]

>>14779982
This sort of reductionism doesn't work because we can actually look at and compare different black populations throughout the world. Even if it was only American blacks who were stupid and was entirely their material circumstances, so what? You're in almost complete agreement with the "racist" that blacks are retarded.

[Anonymous No.14780014]

>>14778778
That's true, just look at >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.14780016]

>>14779982
I don't give a fuck about their history. I care about whether I can live near them and not have my house robbed.

[Anonymous No.14780023]

>>14779982
Most American blacks are descended from Nigerians who arrived well after the end of slavery.

[Anonymous No.14780032]

>>14779982
>they're just dumb animals that can't take responsibility for their own actions because white people were mean to their ancestors
Wow racist much?

[Anonymous No.14780047]

>>14779891
>haha the entire corporate-government institutional system tries to railroad you if you're racist what a bitch
So this is the power of anti-racism

[Anonymous No.14780054]

>>14779923
Idk that's what's being asked. Niggers sit in africa and complain about whitey then they leave their homes to come here, where white people live, to complain about whitey. Why would they come here if they hate white people? Why dont they go back?

[Anonymous No.14780055]

Leftists don't like arguing with racists because it's impossible to honestly believe that blacks aren't retarded. When push comes to shove, they can only different reasons for why they're retarded This is very painful for them because it goes against their underlying assumptions of equality. There's a little demon in the back of their head telling them that if people are different, then maybe they should be treated differently and they do everything they can to silence that voice. In a way I actually feel bad for them because they can't be honest.

[Anonymous No.14780057]

>>14779867
>>14779891
Saying this is disingenuous, because anti-racists want to force whites to live around blacks. If you would just let whites form their own communities, groups, schools, etc. they would do so -- but you don't think that should be allowed do you?

[Anonymous No.14780067]

It's only racism if it's unwarranted. Disliking niggers is warranted, and as such it does not make you a racist.

[Anonymous No.14780068]

>>14779717
>intelligence is not a single thing
So the guy believes intelligence works the same as Nazis thought it did. The intelligence as singular property is something that found acceptance in Great Britain and the US and empirical data backs it up. To put it simply, IQ is imperfect and relative measurement of brains processing power, all brains have some kind of tilt to them but in general all the different functions correlate with each other, as in - in aggregate people who repeat the reverse of a string of numbers very well will also do well in repeating the pattern of these blocks you do on IQ tests as well as other subtests. That's how you can have a dyslexia despite scoring above average on the subtest that predicts it - if it's still significantly lower than the other subtests and thus indicates some kind of dysfunction. The degree of correlation between the subtests is often called g, and the supporters of multi-factoral intelligence have never provided empirical evidence proving their theories.

[Anonymous No.14780071]

>>14780055
This, notice how nobody can actually prove the points of racists wrong, just blame their points on nebulous concepts like "society"

[Anonymous No.14780075]

>>14780071
Well, we do live in a society, after all

[Anonymous No.14780082]

>>14780057
But whites for the most part do have their own communities, schools, and so on. They just aren't explicitly called that.

[Anonymous No.14780084]

>>14780032
White people are the majority of people that are in positions of power. Just because they were freed, then got civil rights doesn't mean blacks were at an equal position as whites. They still had to depend on the open-mindedness of white entrepreneurs for jobs. It's like they had to start off from scratch. I don't think 150 years is enough to get over the amount of persecution that they suffer but that's my opinion.

[Anonymous No.14780085]

>>14780082
They can generally only do that if they can afford to move to certain areas, and there's no way to keep said communities that way due to government regulations, hence the continual white flight. Also the government can just settle a bunch of Somalians or some shit in your town and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.14780090]

>>14780067
That's not very nice you know.. why can't you just be nice anon?

[Anonymous No.14780092]

>>14780084
Are they a fucking hivemind or are they individual humans? It's their responsibility to obey the laws and behave in a civilized manner. If they won't do so, then why would I want to live around them? Why would I risk the safety of myself and my family? I don't owe them anything and neither do you.

[Anonymous No.14780099]

>>14780084
Why is the black crime rate and educational achievement worse right now than it was during the Jim Crow era?

[Anonymous No.14780101]

If niggers are human, why do they act like beasts?

[Anonymous No.14780103]

>>14780092
I'm saying that no matter how much you believe in individual will, you can't deny that people are somewhat a product of their environment.

[Anonymous No.14780106]

>>14780099
A whole generation of mentally and emotionally stunted crack babies just reached adulthood

[Anonymous No.14780109]

>>14780103
Then I'm the product of growing up around feral criminal blacks and as such I don't want to ever live around them. Is that fine with you then? I didn't have a choice, you see.

[Anonymous No.14780112]

>>14780106
The negative trend started in the 60's, well before crack came onto the scene.

[Anonymous No.14780113]

>>14780099
Inequality has become worse.

[Anonymous No.14780115]

>>14780113
In what way?

[Anonymous No.14780126]

>>14780109
It's not fine with me that people resort to crime to protest against their conditions just like it's not fine with me that you remain prejudiced because of yours. Most blacks just live normal lives.

[Anonymous No.14780127]

>>14778740
I heard him plug his book on the radio, and it was so bad that he probably turned a few people racist. He just accepted all the facts about race differences, but did a few definitional retreats and created a strawman /pol/ack to knock down. Finished with an angry little coda about how science is on MY side, NOT yours (as if science takes sides.)
The only way I'll ever read his work again is if he agrees to a debate with an esoteric hyper-racist like pic related. That would at least have entertainment value.

[Anonymous No.14780128]

>>14780101
Because they're less fortunate than you, they didn't have the same advantages that you had (good education, upbringing, etc.)
Have some compassion

[Anonymous No.14780135]

>>14780126
The fact that you think they're engaged in "protest against their conditions" tells me you've never lived around lower class blacks once in your entire life. Stop morally pontificating about shit you know nothing about, you sheltered faggot.

[Anonymous No.14780139]

>>14780128
I'll be very compassionate if one ever breaks into my house. Hopefully if I tell them I'm not a racist and have sympathy for their economic concerns they won't murder me.

[Anonymous No.14780140]

>>14780127
kek

[Anonymous No.14780151]

>>14780128
They should do what unfortunate white people do. Kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.14780152]

>>14780128
From what I've seen the "racists" have much more compassion than anyone on the left. They're the ones who want to give blacks an education more suited to their nature, while people like you insist that they go to our schools and learn to act white. Then you wonder why they act like savages.

[Anonymous No.14780155]

>>14780135
I meant that's how that culture started.

[Anonymous No.14780159]

>>14780155
I
don't
give
a
fuck
how it started. I care about what living around them means for my material safety. Get that through your head you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.14780160]

>>14780155
Did they have better conditions during Jim Crow?

[Anonymous No.14780169]

>>14780160
They had no voice, so they learned to be subservient to white persecution as it was the only way to make a living.

[Anonymous No.14780173]

>>14780159
What about low class whites?

[Anonymous No.14780174]

>>14780169
Stop dodging the question.

[Anonymous No.14780179]

>>14780169
During that era they committed less crime and did better in school and had better employment figures. "deadbeat dads" were practically unheard of so by any reasonable measure they were much more happier. You're making the argument that we should go back to persecution for their sake.

[Anonymous No.14780185]

>>14780126
No poor nigs are stealing to protest shit you stupid white faggot, what sheltered 90%+ white suburb did you grow up in to think this shit? Come grow up in urban New Jersey and then tell me darkies give a shit about your critical race theory bullshit. They steal shit because they want your money without having to be a wagie for it

[Anonymous No.14780193]

>>14780174
I'm not dodging. Conditions weren't better, they just didn't realize that they could do something about it.

[Anonymous No.14780204]

>>14780193

[Anonymous No.14780214]

>>14780179
"No generally valid principle of legislation can be based on happiness."
I'm not making that argument.

[Anonymous No.14780215]

>>14780159
Where do you live?

[Anonymous No.14780218]

>>14780204
anime

[Anonymous No.14780221]

>>14780214
Why do you want black people to be miserable then?

[Anonymous No.14780222]

>>14780218
seethe

[Anonymous No.14780228]

>>14780221
So they can have the same rights. I don't think there were any black CEOs before Jim Crow. Black kids can dream more now.

[Anonymous No.14780245]

>>14780228
Who said anything about them not having opportunity and dreams? I want segregated schooling so they can have an education more suited to their nature and temperament. This will make them a happier people but you want to make them miserable so they can dream. Tell me, do you think black people today feel like the world is open to them? From the surveys I've seen they feel more persecuted and discriminated against. Liberal policies have failed.

[Anonymous No.14780257]

>>14780228
>I don't think there were any black CEOs before Jim Crow.
100 black people owning their own small shop is better than 1 black CEO. That is, if your goal is actually equal rights and not just tokenism.

[Anonymous No.14780288]

>>14780257
I don't agree with your idea of equality. I don't think depriving people of their rights is justified by a few people owning shops.

[Anonymous No.14780293]

>>14780257
Tokenism is more important, the world should appear to be one of those diverse corporate stock photos regardless of what it's actually like. Appearance is all that matters, I dont care if black people are happier or richer or better off

[Anonymous No.14780296]

>>14780245
What is their nature?

[Anonymous No.14780303]

>>14780288
I dont agree with you're idea of equality. I dont think making people worse off is justified by a handful of people being billionaires.

[Anonymous No.14780304]

>>14780296
A nature is what something is. Black people are what they are, they have a distinct cultural attitudes and temperaments, and thus educational needs.

[Anonymous No.14780314]

>>14780245
I have never seen someone so dumb they argued that segregated schools are good for blacks. Just call them niggers and stop pretending there is any just reasons for racist policies.

[Anonymous No.14780320]

>>14780304
Obviously I meant "describe their nature" rather than "what does nature mean." What are those cultural attitudes and temperaments, and what kind of education would suit them?

[Anonymous No.14780321]

>>14780314
Studies have shown that teaching save speakers in the dialect does have improved results, but that's the only reason I could think of.

[Anonymous No.14780322]

>>14779025
>the only reason you should ever argue with anyone is if you need a hit of self-righteousness
socrates BTFO

[Anonymous No.14780323]

>>14778785
You must always be extremely skeptical when leftists tell you about the past, they have a tendancy to spin false narratives about the bottom up nature of their causes.

[Anonymous No.14780332]

>>14780314
>retarded liberals assblasted that they're anti-science

[Anonymous No.14780337]

>>14780303
Why is your idea of happiness so important to you?

[Anonymous No.14780341]

>>14780321
And male students do better with male teachers, but historically segregated schooling creates a culturally privileged group. By trying to undermine development of minority populations you hurt the economic growth of the nation they reside.

[Anonymous No.14780344]

>>14780320
An education emphasizing crime prevention and productive behavior and attitudes would be a start. Don't pull a Sargon of Akkad and pretend black people don't have a distinct culture.

[Anonymous No.14780345]

>>14779982
Literally why the fuck do you think every human race has the EXACT same average genetic potential? How can you see how insane this is? Why do you think that you can take up a position of pure critique.

[Anonymous No.14780346]

>>14780314
They had less drug use, more educational achievement, and less crime during Jim Crow. The only ones ignoring reality here are liberals.

[Anonymous No.14780348]

>>14780332
>believing studies that are unscientific due to their intentions to prove eugenics

[Anonymous No.14780356]

>>14779840
why don't you post an actually attractive redhead?

[Anonymous No.14780357]

>>14780346
Studies show that kids raised by homosexual couples are happier. So we should pass legislation that in adoption waiting lists, gay couples should have priority, right?

[Anonymous No.14780358]

>>14780345
You realize that our genealogy concerning race is barely a separation between people?
But also do not be blinded to how even people of your own race in impoverished areas reflect what you deem exceptional in blacks.

[Anonymous No.14780361]

>>14779802

net positive of not having black people vs. net negative of not having any men at all

[Anonymous No.14780365]

>>14779488
>on /b/, they'll disregard the studies i cite as propaganda because it had one Jewish person performing it
Ever tried citing a study that didn't have a Jew performing it?

[Anonymous No.14780370]

>>14780358
No, you're trying to dodge the point by playing with definitions, i'm not interested in that dishonesty.
What you believe is absolutely insane.

[Anonymous No.14780380]

>>14780370
You misread what I said I suppose, but I will concede that there is a degree of hereditary intelligence. However, why would it be in anyway tied to skin color? Surely you have met families of your own race that vary in average iq of the household, so how do you feel it is fair to deem the entirety of a race as inferior in intelligence?

[Anonymous No.14780384]

>>14779488
I don't believe that race has much to do with genetics beyond the most superficial levels, none of which are absolute. I also think there are plenty of reasons to align with one historically and socially determined group over another and that our common humanity isn't more valuable than other identities developed over time.

[Anonymous No.14780385]

I just wanna know the exact amount of time that has to pass before you can't blame your failings on your ancestors' oppression anymore, because even jews are allowed to use genetically passed down trauma from the holocaust as an excuse, but if a white person said muslims today have to pay for barbary/ottoman white slavery and treat white ppl nicer they'd never be taken seriously, so there has to be some kind of official time limit on this shit

[Anonymous No.14780386]

>>14780357
If they did show that, sure, but they don't. I know because I actually do follow studies of that nature. Every single meta study shows mixed results.

[Anonymous No.14780391]

>>14780385
White people are in a position of global power so what reasons would they have to complain? Systems from history have placed them in a position of advantage, their ancestors ensured their privilege.

[Anonymous No.14780392]

>>14780214
>"No generally valid principle of legislation can be based on happiness."
What the hell is the point of law if not the general flourishing of society? Can you name a single law that doesn't have that intended purpose? If you can it would be widely considered unjust because the purpose of law is happiness. You liberals are confused as fuck.

[Anonymous No.14780398]

>>14780391
thousands of years of persecution ensured Jewish privilege across time it seems

[Anonymous No.14780400]

>>14780386
You really think that it would be okay to give one group priority over another?

[Anonymous No.14780403]

>>14780392
"No one can compel me to be happy in accordance with his conception of the welfare of others." Those are quotes by Immanuel Kant. Not everyone has the same idea of happiness.

[Anonymous No.14780413]

>>14780392
>What the hell is the point of law if not the general flourishing of society?
Is that the same as increasing the the maximum happiness? Christ, I've never met a leftist that doesn't expose themself as a utilitarian underneath all of the rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.14780414]

>>14780400
Yes, absolutely. If you're looking for a babysitter and a sex offender applies for the job, would you not rule him out automatically? This would be you discriminating and giving one group of people priority over another. It can be a wise policy.

>>14780403
I agree that different people have different ideas of happiness. This is why I advocate segregation.

[Anonymous No.14780418]

>>14780293
Are you actually evil, or just trolling?

[Anonymous No.14780422]

>>14779734

White people dont exist

[Anonymous No.14780425]

>>14780414
Criminal records and sexual orientation aren't an equally valid criteria.

[Anonymous No.14780426]

>>14780391

>(((White people)))

Right cos nothing says 'ruling the world' like being told by governments, multicorporations, banks, media etc. that you have no culture, that you're going to be bred out (see: Joe Biden, SNL et. al.) and that this is a good or humorous thing, and that you deserve to have your bank accounts/public health care (see: NHS)/university position/children (see: family in Rotherham, of all places, that were members of UKIP) all taken away from you for fighting for your own existence.

By your own retarded social-studies-professor-invented definition of 'racism = power + prejudice', antisemitism shouldn't be seen as so bad as jews have so much institutional power. Plus the KKK can't be racist because they're just a loose, tiny bunch of powerless rednecks.

[Anonymous No.14780429]

>>14780288
I said equal rights, not equality. I don't believe in racial equality precisely because it leads to people making life shit for a whole group of people and then justifying it with one CEO or celebrity.

[Anonymous No.14780431]

>>14778740
Uses specious arguments like the kafkatrap.

[Anonymous No.14780432]

>>14780425
I agree, which is why I didn't say they were the same.

[Anonymous No.14780433]

>>14779779
Maybe it's because of socio economic factors stemming from remnants of slavery, systematic racism and living in a shithole country with low social mobility compared to wealthy nations in Europe.

[Anonymous No.14780434]

>>14779779
>white hosts
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14780437]

>>14780433
Isn't there little correlation between economic standings and likelihood of criminal behavior?

[Anonymous No.14780440]

>>14780433
If this is the case then why did black people commit less crime, consume less drugs, and performed better in education during the Jim Crow era?

[Anonymous No.14780443]

>>14780432
But you did compare them. Because someone likes people of the same sex, they should be given priority over another group?

[Anonymous No.14780444]

>>14779488
This guy is right
There is no science or logic that concludes racism as good
It is mostly a tribalistic feeling, or a way to feel better about yourself.
Like most Trump supporters think this way:
>I might be a poor white man working 70 hours a day in a dead end minimum wage job
>at least I aint a nigger

[Anonymous No.14780445]

>>14780429
But you believe in equal rights?

[Anonymous No.14780450]

>>14780443
I literally did not compare them to gay people. I gave an example where giving priority over one group of people can be a smart policy and I used sex offenders as an example.

The studies about gay parenting are mixed at best, so I don't give a definite answer for them. Generally though, if as a group they're more likely to use drugs, contract disease, commit domestic violence, I'm in favor of discriminating against them when it comes to adoption. Nature tends to give children a mother and a father and I'm not willing to experiment with the lives of children by placing them into homes with two fathers or two mothers.

[Anonymous No.14780452]

>>14780444
nice get

[Anonymous No.14780454]

>>14779488
You have to admit, races are intrinsically different.

[Anonymous No.14780455]

>>14780444
Still haven't answered this:
>>14780384
Why should "humanity" take place over any other identity developed over time?
Also the belief that science can prove anything to be "good" is absolutely absurd to begin with.

[Anonymous No.14780459]

>>14780314
>I have never seen someone so dumb they argued that segregated schools are good for blacks.
Not just better for blacks, better for everyone. Segregation by ability can also produce better outcomes. The more similar the students are to each other, the more you can tailor the environment to suit their needs.o
>inb4 they need to meet people of diverse backgrounds
You can interact with anyone you like at social clubs or sporting events. School should be about maximizing individual ability.

[Anonymous No.14780460]

[Anonymous No.14780474]

>>14780429
Exactly! People should have equal political rights, but they are not and never will be identical.

[Anonymous No.14780490]

>>14778740
You have to admit, it takes a simple mind to accept studies about crime rates and iq scores as truism and not look deep into what might be the reason behind them except genetic differences.

[Anonymous No.14780501]

>>14780455
Being proud of your race is embarrassing and acts as a veil obscuring your vision of the world.
You can have more in common with a black man who is your neighbor, than a white man living in another country.
Find identity outside ideology, or you will just be a product of other men's actions and be turned in whatever direction the environment tells you to.
Look into things and apply your critical thinking. Question why you hate certain people, and if hate is justified?
Like Bertrand Russell said, love is wise and hatred is foolish.

[Anonymous No.14780503]

>>14779682
>stick on fire is polynesian tech
Lmfao

[Anonymous No.14780508]

>>14780445
To be precise, I believe in equal moral weight. Given that people are different, they require very unequal treatment to maximize their welfare.

[Anonymous No.14780509]

>>14780501
Seems loving people who hate you is the most foolish

[Anonymous No.14780511]

>>14780450
I agree with not giving sex offenders baby sitting jobs. Do you think it would be smarter to look into a person's individual history or look into what people of his race are more likely to do?

[Anonymous No.14780513]

>>14780490
>imagine believing studies and not doing a study
What?

[Anonymous No.14780520]

>>14780509
You have the assumption that all people of one race hates you. You're feeling unloved.
Where did you get this assumption? The media? Some ideology? Your environment?
You had one bad experience with a person of color and now you fear all of them, as you judge all men based on the actions of one who hurt you?

[Anonymous No.14780529]

>>14780460
Ah yes, ol' reliable. "I didn't profit from slavery. So why are you getting mad at me about it?" Honestly I'm astonished by white people who think history began in the 1970s. America has never been "post-racial." What a typical whiteboy cope.

[Anonymous No.14780530]

>>14780440
At least here, where I am, there is vastly more criminal activity than there was before heroin was introduced to the lower classes.

[Anonymous No.14780533]

>>14780513
brainlet
He said, you take a study like IQ and conclude
>blacks have low intelligence!
while ignoring the fact that black children are more likely to live in poverty, be understimulated intellectually and a hip hop culture perpetrated by media doesnt support young kids reading, especially in black neighborhoods where the cycle of negative social life continues.

[Anonymous No.14780539]

>>14778740
I hate having to dumb myself down so I don't argue with racists.

[Anonymous No.14780543]

>Well, holy moley, me oh my
>You're the apple of my eye
>Girl, I've never loved one like you

PAY REPARATION

[Anonymous No.14780547]

>>14780437
>>14780440
Highly unequal societies tend to be more riddled with crime, corruption and social negativity.
This is all brought on by class differences, which the racists completely dismiss in their retarded analysis, that is literally skin deep only.
Look at trailer parks or in European nations where they also deal with class society and the crime and negative social spiral that exists.
Racism is a distraction from the real shit, that is class consciousness, and how socio economic differences are the cause of most corrupted societies.

[Anonymous No.14780548]

>>14780511
It can be, but not necessarily. If you're in business, time is money. The time you spend interviewing people is time spent not making any money. In cases like that it can be more efficient to rule out broad categories of people that are prone to criminality or other anti-social traits. It's possible that they could be missing out on some really great employees, but that's a personal decision for the businessman to make and not you. There will always be people who are willing to sacrifice the efficiency they could gain from discriminating against broad categories in order to find better employees and consequently have a more efficient business.

[Anonymous No.14780554]

>>14780547
I don't buy it because there is less crime among the poorest whites than there is against middle class blacks.

[Anonymous No.14780558]

>>14780533
No, he said
>it takes a simple mind to accept studies about crime rates and iq scores
Then he said
>and not look deep into what might be the reason
Even though he just admitted studies found the reason

[Anonymous No.14780568]

>>14780548
K

[Anonymous No.14780573]

>>14780501
>You can have more in common with a black man who is your neighbor, than a white man living in another country.
I don't know if this is true. The cultural and aesthetic sensibilities that historically tie whites together give me a greater feeling commonality with that white person than the black one. The jazz and hip hop aesthetics are alienating to all non-blacks who haven't allowed the global media system to divorce them from everything beyond immediate consumption. It's not that I hate anyone ( and I really don't, I'm not just saying it) it's that I genuinely believe that given our current economic and technological context the contest for one culture or system of aesthetics to flourish rather than another is a zero-sum game. I have no pride in whiteness, it's that within whiteness is the only place I and other whites are capable of living without feeling a constant sense of alienation.

And while it isn't exactly relevant to the conversation, you might want to be careful when invoking Schopenhauer in these types of conversations.

[Anonymous No.14780576]

>>14780348
>the veracity of a study is determined by the political correctness of its findings
Your proving my point lad

[Anonymous No.14780577]

>>14780554
Thats a lie. The biggest indicator of whether or not you will be the target of random violence is if youre a lower class male under 30 and a minority.
Getting an education, a stable job and moving out of the lower class will inhibit you from many of the negative consequences of lower class life.
The bigger the lower class in a society, the more civil unrest, crime and corruption there will be. This also depends however on how the lower class is treated, which the current capitalist ideology of shaming the lower class for their own situation is working.
Its your own fault that you are poor, even though most people are born into it or have been unjustly fucked by the world.
Also minority individuals in USA has been fighting against a culture that is heavily race fixated as the American one. Even in porn you can see the obsession of race, that has been plaguing ever since "birth of a nation" and the justificaton of slave trade was producing propaganda.

[Anonymous No.14780578]

>>14780529
I don't think most people think America is post racial.

[Anonymous No.14780582]

I honestly find sand niggers to be worse than niggers. But I don't live in murrica, so that might explain it.

[Anonymous No.14780588]

>>14780558
Is this bait or are you actually this retarded?
Correlation was proved, but the conclusion is not "blacks as a race are dumber", because there are more differences between white and black people than skin tone. Look at socio economic factors and you will see a direct link between lower economic wealth and IQ.

[Anonymous No.14780591]

>>14780547
This is untrue. Inequality is not apparently associated with crime (at least the most easily detectable crime, murder), either temporally within a country (more inequality over time does not lead to a rise in murder), or between countries.
You can only make this appear true if you are selective in the nations which you analyse.

[Anonymous No.14780603]

>>14780577
Our system doesnt shame the poor it shames whites, it's not the 80s anymore grandpa. You people need to realize that your cold war talking points are dated and fuck and you sound backwards and out of touch

[Anonymous No.14780604]

>>14780577
What is the lie? Lower class minorities surround themselves with other lower class minorities, who are disproportional more likely to commit violence. Is it a wonder they're more likely to be victims? Either way I don't see the relevance to what I said. Middle class blacks commit more crime than lower class whites. In fact, blacks commit disproportionately more crime in all income brackets. You call it a lie but you can't refute it. You can only pretend it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.14780613]

It's ironic that political correctness and SJWs is what made me dislike minorities.

[Anonymous No.14780617]

>>14780588
>because there are more differences between white and black people than skin tone.
Who in history has ever argued that the only difference between white and black people is skin tone? I mean other than people with the exact political views you share, lol.

[Anonymous No.14780632]

>>14780588
>>14780454

[Anonymous No.14780638]

>>14780617
Leftists actually believe that race is skin deep, it's pretty embarrassing. That's really the source of the disagreement, if race is more than skin deep the the entire concept of racial equality is pretty useless

[Anonymous No.14780644]

>>14780591
Not murder, but violent encounters.
A scuffle or a fight is more likely to happen in lower class areas, and violence is more apparent in societies with a bigger lower class. If we take 2 seconds to think about why, we could quickly imagine that frustration, anger and a lack of dealing with emotions in a healthy way could be the source of greater anger in lower class citizens. Also by being lower class and therefore less educated in general, reading and using words and logic to resolve conflicts are less developed skills than in middle and high classes.
Many points can be made, and none of them are race related, except for the unjust way a certain race can be treated and therefore instill in them a general fear or frustration for their surroundings.
>>14780603
>whites are shamed in USA
Keep watching your anti feminist pseud intellectuals if you believe this to be the case.
In the USA, whiteness is the majority and because of nationalism and race identity that plagues USA, you have been led to believe that your identity (race) is under attack. Separate yourself from the label "white" when thinking critically and see that its not about race, but class differences spurred on by material conditions that drive the workings of the world.
The billionaires telling you to be afraid of the latino or black man, instead of uniting and overthrowing the tyranny of the oligarchs.

[Anonymous No.14780660]

>>14779750
IQ IS NOT JUST A SINGLE NUMBER
LITERALLY LEARN HOW A FUCKING IQ TEST IS ADMINISTERED YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING IDIOTS, IT IS MADE UP OF LITERALLY PAGES OF OTHER FUCKING NUMBERS FROM OTHER SUBTESTS!
FUCK I HATE THESE PEOPLE SO MUCH

[Anonymous No.14780663]

>nuanced racism

how is this thread even still alive

[Anonymous No.14780669]

>>14780644
>The billionaires telling you to be afraid of the latino or black man
No it's my self-preservation instinct telling me to be afraid of them, since they're prone to violence and crime. It's not made up. Source: lived around them my entire life.

[Anonymous No.14780670]

>>14780644
>antifeminist pseudo intellectuals
The fuck are you even talking about you boomer. How is your generation so brainwashed by the elites to misdirect the cause of your problems away from them? Like the people screwing you over are so obvious and all you can do is sit here and regurgitate a 150 year old analysis of the economy of 150 years ago.

[Anonymous No.14780675]

>>14780638
>Leftists
Anyone that doesn't subscribe to the pseudoscience of racism is of the leftism?
You're creating a false dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.14780682]

>>14780660
>author has a PhD in genetics
>doesn't know how IQ tests work
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14780689]

>>14780613
>reactionary thinking (or lack there of)

>>14780617
>>14780638
Race is skin deep, thats how its a social construct. There can be more variation between "white people" of different countries than a black and white man in the same one.
And your argument is based on the fact that we should treat all of humanity as if its a hierarchy. This is the base of your argument and this is where we disagree. Human life has inherent value as we are conscious beings, and should all have the opportunity to live a wonderful life.
Youre arguing for a totalitarian state where the basis of human life's value is bound to skin tone. It's highly unlikely you would think this way if you weren't deeply swallowing the ideology you have been exposed to, and if it was reversed and you were the one at the bottom of the hierarchy. The funny part is that you are, for right now the hierarchy is not on skin tone or ethnicity, but material wealth. Capitalism is a class system, and youre blinded to think in terms of race instead of in terms of class. It's literally what the ideology of the status quo wants you to, neoliberalism wants you to think class differences are a lie, and its all about race and identity politics. Doesnt matter if youre for or against it, youre still playing your part and living in ideology fixating your gaze on everything but the obvious class system that is all around us.

[Anonymous No.14780690]

>>14780115
Uh... it just has, ok

[Anonymous No.14780697]

>>14780682
He's a fucking idiot, geneticists will never have to even look at an IQ test. I've met some extremely stupid geneticists. They really are the niggers of biologists. Far too many, get far too much money, and they're far too stupid.

[Anonymous No.14780704]

>>14780675
Reread my post and try again please. I didnt qualify skin deep thinking with leftism I qualified leftism with skin deep thinking

[Anonymous No.14780708]

>>14780689
>Human life has inherent value
I see no reason to read beyond this.

[Anonymous No.14780716]

>>14780704
Are you trying to trick me?

[Anonymous No.14780719]

>>14780689
This fallacy has already been addressed here >>14780454

[Anonymous No.14780722]

>>14780689
>Gives marxist analysis
>"it's your ideology fixating your gaze"

[Anonymous No.14780728]

>>14780644
>Not murder, but violent encounters.
Impossible to compare between states, due to different criteria and recording methods. Murder is generally a decent proxy for the overall level of violence in a society.
>violence is more apparent in societies with a bigger lower class.
Yes, people who are violent tend not to be employed or stay in further education, but the point is wealth inequality, i.e. a large or small gap in wealth between the richest and the poorest, does not predict violence.
>Many points can be made, and none of them are race related, except for the unjust way a certain race can be treated and therefore instill in them a general fear or frustration for their surroundings.
Actually race is an important confounder. Poverty and education (or intelligence) are NOT sufficient to explain the violence of African Americans.

[Anonymous No.14780729]

>>14780716
No you're just a midwit which is why you believe the crap you believe in the first place

[Anonymous No.14780731]

>>14778740
https://discord.gg/X5uk75G

[Anonymous No.14780733]

>>14780670
Please tell me this is bait.
If you want to rebel against the elites, you should read Marxist theory as it is centered around critique of capitalism, which is the status quo of society today.
Are you this brainwashed that you will defend the rights of billionaires and corporations, just because they say "black man bad, feminism bad" and hand you some retarded youtube videos handpicking awkward protestors and cringe moments?
That is literally all reactionary arguments, hand picking some frustrated college teens, putting them on display and then dismissing 150 years woth of theory thats been developed by some of the brightest minds in Academia.
Get off the internet and dont get your opinions from fucking 4chan.

[Anonymous No.14780735]

>>14780731
begone tranny

[Anonymous No.14780736]

Being mixed race made me realize that the left is right, I tried to be open minded with right wing "race realists", but you can't argue against people who have an obsessive hatred of you over genetics, it's almost like dealing with schizophrenics. Racial purity spiralling is the death of the alt right, and good riddance

[Anonymous No.14780743]

>>14780722
>being gullible and swallowing the ideology youre born into without critical thought
>instead of researching literature, academia and critically thinking, which leads you to appreciate marxist analysis that is relevant, because the status quo is neoliberalism and capitalism, which the biggest critique ever made of is by Karl Marx

[Anonymous No.14780749]

>>14780743
Which ideology is that, hypocrite?

[Anonymous No.14780750]

>>14780733
>read theory
Unironically haven't been participating in this debate on either side but you guys really are absolute pussies, always reading and never willing to go and actually use force to improve the world.

[Anonymous No.14780754]

>>14778740
Race divisions have served an important purpose for the few with power.

[Anonymous No.14780755]

>>14780728
Incarcerated for what? Smoking weed?
This doesnt pertain to violence at all, and correct me if im wrong, but does that graph only show one day? April 1? Not a year long sample or anything? If that is true, then that is highly misleading.

[Anonymous No.14780763]

>>14780733
I've read Marxist theory from Marx to Frankfurt stooges like Benjamin and Marcuse. I think you have a very juvenile view of the world reminiscent of someone who sat down and watched a 10 min video on Marx. You literally cant make any argument that actually applies to the 21st century, you're stuck trying to yammer on about muh 2 class racially homogeneous society as if we all still work in factories.

[Anonymous No.14780764]

>>14778763
>should he just beat the shit out of the white guy?
he’d be proving him right that minorities are inherently prone to violence, so no.

[Anonymous No.14780772]

>>14780733
What billionaire is saying "BLACK MAN BAD" wtf are you talking about

[Anonymous No.14780775]

>>14780749
Think of all the things you "know" and why you know them or how you were taught them.
Try and pick one and ask, if you came to this conclusion on your own through critical thinking or if it is something you hold as true, because you were told it is true.
For example the current capitalist ideology will have you believe that "hard work pays off, everyone can be rich!"
Which if you think about, is not true. Not everyone can be rich, and not all hard workers get rich. Therefore there must be more to what makes someone rich than the tenacity of their work. Then you start to look into it and see the amount of passive income that rich individuals have, and are born into. Then you see lower class people working 2 jobs and still not making enough money to improve their standing in society. Now you're starting to question the ideology you have been spoonfed by all your life, and thinking critically.

[Anonymous No.14780791]

>>14780775
Right but rich niggers commit more crime than rich whites

[Anonymous No.14780794]

>>14780733
Please tell me this is bait.
If you want to rebel against the elites, you should read Moldbug theory as it is centered around critique of progressivism, which is the status quo of society today.
Are you this brainwashed that you will defend the rights of billionaires and corporations, just because they say "white man bad, family bad" and hand you some retarded youtube videos handpicking awkward boomers and cringe moments?
That is literally all progressive arguments, hand picking some frustrated hwhite males, putting them on display and then dismissing 1500 years worth of practice thats been destroyed by some of the brightest minds in Academia.
Get off the internet and dont get your opinions from fucking twitter.

[Anonymous No.14780798]

>>14780763
If you really had read all that theory, you would know why it is still relevant today. The status quo is capitalism under neoliberalism, and so the biggest and most influential critique of that system must also be relevant. That is Marx and Engels critique. Some of their theories are not relevant today, but many theories have been developed and worked upon their work, like the Frankfurt school and Thomas Piketty is also just one economist developing Marx into the 21st century. Many philosophers and people in academia develop critical theory which is the result of developing Marxist theory.
It is true however that inequality is keeping us in a class society, especially in USA where the 1% protests were a clear sign of frustration among average americans over the distribution of wealth.

[Anonymous No.14780799]

>>14780529
Still, there is literally no quality about them that makes their advancement desirable, let alone enough to justify the state of perpetual flagellation you want, nor is there anything on Earth that can make the pride they show in having development cheap, disposable culture any more tolerable.

[Anonymous No.14780800]

>>14780794
>Get off the internet and dont get your opinions from fucking twitter
Lol right back at you

[Anonymous No.14780801]

>>14780775
Answer the question, what is my ideology?

[Anonymous No.14780802]

>>14780733
>>14780794
kino

[Anonymous No.14780808]

>>14780791
how is that proof that race is the cause

[Anonymous No.14780814]

>>14780755
It's a survey of those incarcerated (in prison) at that point in time.
I'm sorry you have trouble reading the graph.
I understand why you have your views now.
I hope you get better.

[Anonymous No.14780831]

>>14780733
Billionaires are literally more sympathetic to “Marxism good” than “black man bad, feminism bad” you deranged lunatic.

[Anonymous No.14780832]

>>14780794
Nice bait.
If you genuinely listen to Moldbug shit and are into neo reactionary stuff I cant convince you of anything else. You and I differ on major points on what human life is and how it should be valued, and I dont see a post on a japanese inspired anime board pulling you out of this.
Especially not after your mock post like that. Moldbug is advocating for the elites, but if you didnt catch onto this, youre too far gone into the neoreactionary mindset and probably think marxism and jews are some conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.14780834]

>>14780798
You haven't made a single valid observation about 21st century capitalism yet. Where are all of the Fortune 500 companies trying to oppress African Americans and women? Name me a single one that doesnt put minorities, women, and gays on a pedestal with preferential hiring programs and interest group support. Unironically the best criticism of contemporary capitalism comes from people like Curtis Yarvin and Nick Land.

[Anonymous No.14780839]

>>14780729
What do I believe, anon?

[Anonymous No.14780842]

Hip hop really cucked black american culture desu. Part of the reason I dont "like" them.

[Anonymous No.14780845]

>>14780808
it’s proof that muh socioeconomic status isn’t the cause (most common leftoid cope)

[Anonymous No.14780851]

>>14780834
> Unironically the best criticism of contemporary capitalism comes from people like Curtis Yarvin and Nick Land
Based retard
Thanks for the kek

[Anonymous No.14780855]

>>14780851

[Anonymous No.14780857]

>>14780831
Just because Marxism has a foothold in the institutions used by the elite for selection and justification of their existence doesn't mean that Marxism isn't has lost its edge, man.

[Anonymous No.14780858]

>>14780808
Nigs commit more crime at all social strata. Therefore it seems extremely unlikely that class is a sufficient explanation.
It's kind of weird how the obvious answer can stare you in the face but you have to resort to a gymnastic routine to come up with why it couldn't possibly be that nature didn't make all races identically.

[Anonymous No.14780867]

>>14780857
You know it has, don't be naive.
When giant business and billionaires are using Marxist thought as marketing that should be a bit of a wake up call.

[Anonymous No.14780878]

>>14780857
It implies that it has retard, the farthest we currently get is some slightly higher progressive tax rates. MUH CLASS war is a fantasy now

[Anonymous No.14780880]

There's nothing wrong with being black, as long as you're black far away from me.

[Anonymous No.14780882]

>>14780851
>hasnt made any arguments
>regurgitates YouTube-tier summaries and then accuses everyone else of only watching YouTube
>tells people to read more but cant actually use what hes read to say anything interesting or novel
>"THERES NO POINT IN TALKING BECAUSE WE BELIEVE DIFFERENT THINGS HAHA"
gross

[Anonymous No.14780886]

>>14780857
Yes it does

[Anonymous No.14780888]

>>14780867
Theyre not though
Theyre using neoliberalism, which is what you faggots dont understand
All this race, sexuality and gender is literally a distraction from the true struggle of class consciousness
It doesnt matter if youre a gay, black woman, if you live in poverty and cant afford medicine you will die like a dog, and it wont matter what color or what sexuality you had
USA has deified currency as ruler supreme, and market mechanisms has become accepted as natural law
This is the ideology that faggots like you are caught up in, and it doesnt change whether youre for or against it, youre still playing the game distracting you and keeping you docile

[Anonymous No.14780893]

>>14779891
you argue like a woman

[Anonymous No.14780897]

>>14780832
>My father is Jewish, at least racially.
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/06/why-i-am-not-anti-semite/
Do your homework, Mr
>question the ideology you have been spoonfed by all your life

[Anonymous No.14780901]

>>14779717
> I don’t recognise this picture
Another “I don’t see it so it doesn’t exist”.
>>14779717
> meaningless slogans such as “facts don’t care about feelings”
How is it meaningless just because you don’t like it?

[Anonymous No.14780902]

>>14780882
>refuses to engage my arguments
>reduction to the absurd
brainlet

[Anonymous No.14780911]

>>14780867
>>14780878
>>14780886
Congrats, on being unable to detect sarcasm, autists. The fact that they guy brought up Picketty should have made him realizes that it's been fully embraced by the elite.

[Anonymous No.14780912]

>>14780888
>they're using neoliberalism
No, neoliberalism is using them retard. This is evidenced by the fact that were fsrther than ever from the magical workers revolution and closer than ever to end of history consoomerism

[Anonymous No.14780913]

>>14780901
The green parts are quoting OPs book.

[Anonymous No.14780918]

>>14780911
I literally didn't read any of the posts itt including the one he replied to

[Anonymous No.14780922]

>>14780902
What arguments? Quote me any observation you've made on the policies of 21st century finance capitalism

[Anonymous No.14780925]

>>14780155
no it’s not. stop pretending like you know what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous No.14780927]

>>14780901
Never go full retard, anon.

[Anonymous No.14780929]

>>14780888
I understand this perfectly well, but you probably are also aware that capitalism absorbs other ideologies and converts them into products. I'm saying it's done this with socialism itself.

[Anonymous No.14780932]

>>14780897
I am not sure what youre trying to say with this?
What constitutes elite for you? The ones currently in power? Because those are big corporations and billionaires, fucking you in the ass with their lobbyism everyday.
The ideology I grew up in is heavily influenced by capitalism and what I am arguing for is incredibly edgy to most, because theyre caught in the Overton window of politics. Its normal to shun anything seen as different, but most people shun something without understanding it because it is not normal. You even see people being socialist, but having no idea what Marxist theory is, and dont have any reason to refute it other than "its too extreme".

[Anonymous No.14780936]

>>14780929
This
>read theory
Is literally no better or no different to fashion trends.

[Anonymous No.14780940]

>>14780929
Yes exactly. Hence >>14780932
My point about socialism being born like this, or the position of the social democrat.
Capitalism has been accepted almost like a natural fact, or a system that is self evident, which is absurd and a result of ideology, It's like peasants thinking they cannot live without a king.

>>14780922
https://www.forbes.com/sites/camilomaldonado/2019/10/10/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less-taxes-than-the-working-class-in-2018/#377a8e183128

The elite is getting tax cuts.

[Anonymous No.14780947]

yikes

[Anonymous No.14780949]

Socialism has always been a bougie idealist ideology, why the fuck would it be any different now

[Anonymous No.14780953]

>>14780932
>Implies Moldbug believes in Jewish conspiracies
>Gets BTFO
Careful with your edge btw.

[Anonymous No.14780957]

What's the evidence FOR equality?

[Anonymous No.14780960]

>>14780913
>>14780927
I was shitting on the book retards

[Anonymous No.14780971]

>>14780953
He is a fascist instead of a nazist. I dont think thats much better.

[Anonymous No.14780973]

>>14780940
Millions of people got tax cuts, I got tax cuts and I dont own any means of production I'm nothing but a wagie. Marx says that capitalism can only exist because of upheld by the liberal government, so giving the government less money to work with logically is anti-capitalist since it has less resources to uphold capitalism and protect the bourgeoisie, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

[Anonymous No.14780975]

>>14780973
>Marx says that capitalism can only exist because of upheld by the liberal government
Did he really? Because that’s not too smart.

[Anonymous No.14780994]

>>14780975
Yes, Marxists in general believe that capitalism is enforced by the bourgeoisie-controlled government. When you get down to it libertarians and Marxists de facto want the same exact thing they're both just too autistic and retarded to realize it.

[Anonymous No.14781247]

>>14778740
I know how
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pilpul

[Anonymous No.14781262]

>>14780380
You should always treat people as individuals, however there are average group differences in things such as intelligence, temperament, and time-preference that play in to general life outcomes. If you ignore these differences--differences that will likely persist, then you need to continually blame any variation on some externality X (X = racist white people, systemic racism, privilege). This is problematic because society is spending money on the wrong things, such as all this re-education on racism and privilege. This money could be spent better elsewhere.

Intelligence != humanity. The left has created a cult around intelligence on today's society, when intellect is only one aspect of life.

It is not "tied to skin color". They are adaptions from migrations to northern climates. Lighter skin allows for more Vitamin D absorption. Intelligence, abstract thinking, low time-preference are likely born out of the planning and foresight needed to survive in cold climates. Those who could not ration/save food and resources such as wood, likely did not survive.

[Anonymous No.14781280]

>>14781262
If I use my thumb a lot will my children be born with strong thumbs?

[Anonymous No.14781289]

I've been to Europe, Asia, and Africa, the homeland of whites, Asians, and blacks, and I would rank them in every metric in that order. Nothing anyone says will change my mind that European society, as cultivated by Europeans is superior to African society, cultivated by Africans.

[Anonymous No.14781299]

>>14781262
Over the course of thousands of years, assuming you breed with similar individuals, absolutely.
Look at people whos ancestors have lived at high altitudes for thousands, even tens of thousands of years. Their hearts and lungs are larger than other humans (up to 25%!) due to the low oxygen content of their environment.

[Anonymous No.14781304]

>>14781280
Only if you use it to finger your asshole.

[Anonymous No.14781314]

Just dont like em

[Anonymous No.14781316]

>>14781289
yes and having white skin means absolutely nothing in relation to that culture. Stop taking pride in other peoples accomplishments because of a delusional connection to some race.

[Anonymous No.14781322]

>>14778740
There is literally nothing wrong with racism.

[Anonymous No.14781330]

>>14780975
It's obvious that capitalism requires some kind of state apparatus to guarantee capital. Otherwise it would be difficult to "own" anything you couldn't keep in your house, and capital accumulation would be impossible.

The question of whether how much to tax the rich is beside the point for a revolutionary ideology, but presumably if you wanted to slow capital accumulated you would tax the rich more, and if you wanted to accelerate it, less.

[Anonymous No.14781342]

Racist here. Why would you even try and argue with people like me? 99% of racists aren't running around assaulting other races or calling people niggers on the street. And when you do see this shit the person doing it is either mentally ill or provoked into doing so. Unless you're an autist most of the population is motivated by self preservation not ideology. And in this society where racism is the ultimate evil we keep to ourselves as to not destroy our lives. But it'll never be enough for schlomo or you buttgoys. Even the thought must be punished.

[Anonymous No.14781366]

This thread reeks of leftism. The races should be segregated with the state being composed of 50% black and white Americans.

[Anonymous No.14781393]

>>14781366
>blacks are 10% of the country
>they deserve 50% of the power
You're the leftist here

[Anonymous No.14781412]

>>14781366
there should be 0% blacks in everything.

[Anonymous No.14781424]

>White beta cucks who had every female in their family lusting after black cock itt
LMAO white bois can't deal with jamal pounding their sisters into oblivion on a daily basis

[Anonymous No.14781428]

>>14781424
>mutts law: the post

[Anonymous No.14781447]

>>14781316
>having white skin means absolutely nothing in relation to that culture
Thank you for agreeing that race is more than just skin deep

[Anonymous No.14781454]

>>14781316
You're right it's a TOTAL coincidence! There has to be another explanation... right? So, what is it?

[Anonymous No.14781466]

Why is it okay to think that 'Some whites have power, so all whites must have power', but not 'Some blacks are niggers, so all blacks must be niggers'?

[Anonymous No.14781532]

T*R*I*G*G*E*R*E*D

[Anonymous No.14781662]

>>14780140
Is he a brainlet?
Wtf is this gibberish and why does /lit/ praise him?

[Anonymous No.14781767]

>>14780365
Hmmm.... They are only 2% of the population, so it shouldn't be that difficult. Unless...

[Anonymous No.14781803]

>>14781330
>what are private police forces

[Anonymous No.14781875]

>>14778740
You can't argue with a racist if you stay within a midwit framework. Guys like AltHype can easily BTFO an anti-racist that resorts to pleb arguments like this book.

To argue against racism effectively you should take a post-humanist or trans-humanist stance, where you assume that people in general kinda suck and you set ubermensch as the ultimate goal.
But that kinda goes against the "compassion" narrative that anti-racists usually resort to (well, many anti-racists also resort to liberal economic arguments--and they probably have more power than the "compassion" camp Tbh).

[Anonymous No.14782150]

>>14780221
Niggers should be dead under hard Apartheid legislation.

[Anonymous No.14782172]

>>14780344
No, just do the rational thing and exterminate them.

[Anonymous No.14782186]

>>14780358
No, niggers aren't human. Stop parroting debunked Hebrew shite from the 1950s.

[Anonymous No.14782189]

>>14781875
Too bad dogmatic anti-racism is a midwit take. Looks like you’re stuck.

[Anonymous No.14782195]

>>14781342
I just think racism, like transgenderism, is a mental illness.
There's literally no point trying to argue that it is daytime when a tranny or a racist already knows it is nighttime.

[Anonymous No.14782227]

>>14782150
>>14782172
Okay fed

[Anonymous No.14782230]

>>14778745
Underrated post

[Anonymous No.14782241]

>>14780520
Coloureds aren't people so stop referring to them as such. Non-whites are enemy aliens that contaminate the gene pool and therefore need to be either expelled or exterminated and no one wants to fuck you, you dysgenic spastic.

[Anonymous No.14782251]

>>14780529
We don't care about the cognitively defficient views of niggers. Niggers are against our racial and biological interests and it's white man to you, Sambo.

[Anonymous No.14782259]

>>14780547
No, that's literally incorrect. A massive cope for genetic undesirables.

[Anonymous No.14782280]

>>14779982
>Blacks are in a disadvantage because of american slavery
So Americans really think that human history started with them, huh? i thought this was a meme.

[Anonymous No.14782283]

>>14780675
>pseudoscience
Mongrel cope.

[Anonymous No.14782299]

>>14782283
Race theory is a pseudoscience. I've no idea why you would even think that a book on neuroscience would suffice as a refutation.

[Anonymous No.14782331]

>>14781316
You're a spastic. No one is taking pride in others achievements. Just advocating race preservation because the white race os the only race worth preserving.

[Anonymous No.14782332]

>>14778774
>

[Anonymous No.14782347]

>>14782331
Imagine actually believing this.

[Anonymous No.14782357]

>>14782299
No, race theory is empirically proven hard science and only coping mongrel spastics and other rejects would even try to deny it at this point. That book is a refutation because a large part of is about neurological race differences.

[Anonymous No.14782366]

>>14782347
>"Imagine having an IQ above my own midwit level of 90."-(You).

[Anonymous No.14782402]

>>14782357
Race >>14782357
>race theory is empirically proven hard science
Alright, I'll wait. Should be really easy to find very clear and concise proof of such a claim.

[Anonymous No.14782410]

>>14782366
Devastating comeback, mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.14782437]

>>14782410
>mongoloid
I thought you'd prefer those to whites, no? It'd be better to be a mongoloid than a negroid like you any day.

[Anonymous No.14782462]

>>14780501
Not true. I have much more in common with european exchange students than the nonwhites I've met from my own hometown.

[Anonymous No.14782488]

>>14780689
Race isnt skin deep though.

[Anonymous No.14782489]

>>14780444
That's because "good" is a value judgement you goof.

[Anonymous No.14782529]

Is there a guide for arguing with familialist and club-members? This weekend I had nothing to eat so I went into my neighbors house and tried to eat lunch there. His wife called the police on me because she doesn't know me. Then I tried to buy some food at Costco but they told me I have to have a membership to shop there. I would really appreciate some good arguments to use next time.

[Anonymous No.14782556]

>>14782410
Wow, ableist slurs. So much for the tolerant Left.

[Anonymous No.14782588]

>>14782488
Tell them that families and memberships are social constructs, and when they try to give you some shit about genetics or the importance of paying dues, just call them pseudoscientists and ask them for studies to back their claims up. If that fails, just appeal to authority and try to have their livelihoods destroyed.

[Anonymous No.14782598]

>>14781875
>dude what if we took a nigger and put a computer inside his head
Paradigm shattering

[Anonymous No.14782600]

>>14782529
Tell them that families and memberships are social constructs, and when they try to give you some shit about genetics or the importance of paying dues, just call them pseudoscientists and ask them for studies to back their claims up. If that fails, just appeal to authority and try to have their livelihoods destroyed.

[Anonymous No.14782646]

>>14781280
No

[Anonymous No.14782666]

>>14781280
If you’re an evolution-denialist and you sincerely think this is poking holes in his logic, you’re a goofball. I think the basic problem is that most people, from Creationists on down to educated progressives, don’t actually understand evolution. It’s hilarious.

[Anonymous No.14782706]

>>14781299
meant for >>14781280

[Anonymous No.14783042]

>>14780323
except the civil rights movement pre '65 was mainly a middle-class grassroots phenomenon that had little to do with what you probably mean by liberals

[Anonymous No.14783053]

>>14780323
>>14783042
you actually said leftists, which is even more off the mark

[Anonymous No.14783096]

>>14783042
>>14783053
Lmao, no. Rosa Parks went to the fucking Highlander Folk School. She was a committed leftist agitator. Revisionist history is a hell of a fucking thing, Civil Rights was absolutely pushed by leftists.

[Anonymous No.14783209]

>>14782195
Basic pattern recognition and survival instinct is mental illness? Holy fuck that is the stupidest shit I've heard all day

[Anonymous No.14783514]

>>14778745
/thread