/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14761894]

is it over for religion? I honestly can't argue with that, both are written by humans.

[Anonymous No.14761902]

>>14761894
Thankfully we don't have to justify our beliefs to dishonest bugmen.

[Anonymous No.14761920]

While the weak, gullible, stupid, and craven for power still exist, religion will continue to prosper.

[Anonymous No.14761942]

>>14761894
>Falling for the atheism meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yto4jXOOen8

[Anonymous No.14762064]

>>14761942
Literal thoughtless antmen. Even if the Earth has a small probability of forming, given that the universe is so big, the probability of an Earth-like planet forming tends to 1 (Borel-Cantelli).

[Anonymous No.14762095]

Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world's population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020,

Real surveys and statistics say atheism is on the decline worldwide. Sorry atheists but atheism is not on the rise nor is it winning. It's still the minority and a declining one at that.

The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.

This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.

Sources for the legion of whiny /Redditor/ fedoras that will no doubt show up it this thread:

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-unaffiliated/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
http://masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm

[Anonymous No.14762106]

>>14762095
<3

[Anonymous No.14762142]

>>14762095
That's to be expected, if you consider that
birthrate of atheists = low compared to other demographics
and
suicide rate of atheists = high compared to other demographics

[Anonymous No.14762153]

>>14762142
good riddance

[Anonymous No.14762154]

>>14762095
Thank you! Very cool!

[Anonymous No.14762158]

>>14761894
Why are Atheist arguments so weak?

[Anonymous No.14762172]

>>14762095
*government officials elects bishops completely independent of vatican*
truly Robespierrian

[Anonymous No.14762186]

Honestly there's a needless brother war between religious, non-religious, and in-between. Just get along and let others have their own believes. Another thing, a person can really dislike certain religious organizations without having anything against religion. For instance, I dislike the theological governments throughout both the middle ages through today, but am I myself a believer.

[Anonymous No.14762197]

>>14761894

[Anonymous No.14762219]

>>14762158
Because people are starting to realize that you can support scientific ideas and not be an atheist by default.

[Anonymous No.14762227]

>>14762186
80% of people on this board are NPCs. Doesn't matter whether you go to heaven or hell in the end for a lot of you because you didn't have a soul to begin with.

[Anonymous No.14762228]

Why does this board attract such a young crowd?

[Anonymous No.14762230]

Greetings brother.

[Anonymous No.14762250]

>>14762228
source?

[Anonymous No.14762263]

>>14762250
She was a tripfriend on /fa/ years ago but I've forgotten her name.

[Anonymous No.14762280]

>>14762172
Sounds more HRE to me.

[Anonymous No.14762295]

>>14762095
Makes sense when you consider brainlets from third-world countries are pumping out babies left and right. Then they will force their religion onto their children, continuing the vicious cycle.

The fact that people still believe in Abrahamic religions (or any for that matter) baffles me.

I guess that's what happens when you're low IQ.

[Anonymous No.14762335]

>>14762295
If you're so high IQ, why can't you reproduce and pass your genes on to them?

[Anonymous No.14762350]

>>14762295
What makes you think that atheism is a more intelligent and superior way of living? Are you really ok with it? I've noticed patterns with "atheists". For example a lot of them enjoy supernatural horror (of which a subconscious appeal is the idea of the afterlife). A lot of "atheists" also buy into transhumanist garbage - the dumb idea that in the near future humans will be able to upload their minds into computers and live forever as a result (the same afterlife promise offered by religion). I wouldn't say they're "perfectly fine" with it. Atheists still cry at the loss of loved ones and fear death itself. It seems like a miserable outlook if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.14762376]

>>14761894
>implying spider-man doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.14762396]

>>14761894
Lol

[Anonymous No.14762408]

>>14762335
What portion of high IQ people do you think there are, relative to the masses? If 80% of people are dumb and have 6 kids, and 20% are smart and have 8 kids, then the next generation will be 90% dumb.

Source: I am dumb.

[Anonymous No.14762471]

>>14762350
Yeah, everyone wants to live forever in paradise.

Transhumanism, no matter how distant, is a far better solution than just hoping you wake up in heaven when you die.

[Anonymous No.14762480]

>>14762408
All of it trickles down to the final conclusion: The ones that will produce heirs unto the Earth are the strong/thick-headed/happy, and that it's better to be this man than a miserable, allegedly enlightened loner atheist that will die out like a spark that produces no flame.

[Anonymous No.14762495]

Religion will have a comeback but in another way. Finally stemlords will find out enough about mysticism and enlightenment to give up on their physicalism and then people like Jung and Plato will become relevant again. Then people will either cling to their religion of choice or a new "religion" will be constructed that encompasses all. This will happen. I know it. Atheists and Scienticists will be viewed just as medieval priests are viewed today.

[Anonymous No.14762503]

not really relevant but apparently reddit has discovered gnosticism

[Anonymous No.14762511]

>>14762335
Never claimed to be. Just saying that religious belief is correlated with low IQ. That's all.

>>14762350
It's not so much a matter of being "more intelligent" or "superior". It has to do with rational thinking. If I say God exists, hardly anybody bats an eye. If I say leprechauns exist, people will laugh at me. What's the difference? Both examples have zero evidence for their existence, but for some reason one is accepted by a good portion of the world's population.

[Anonymous No.14762518]

from what I can tell, Religion can only survive through "atheistic" forms such as Jungian religion, or as moral/metaphysical frameworks without any supernatural elements.

[Anonymous No.14762526]

>>14762511
Because the universe and all its associated laws didn't create themselves.
Bam.
Atheism WRECKED.
*dabs*

[Anonymous No.14762527]

>>14762518
>Religion can only survive through "atheistic" forms
>atheistic
You mean secular?

[Anonymous No.14762540]

>>14762511
Have I met people that claim they have ever had personal experiences with "God"?
I'll let you know the answer to that: Yes.
Have I met people that claim they have ever so much as encountered a leprechaun?
I'll let you know the answer to that: No, and I lived in Boston a good part of my life, having known many an irish descendant.

[Anonymous No.14762594]

>>14762064
>the probability of an Earth-like planet forming tends to 1
Right. Just like God intended.

[Anonymous No.14762603]

>>14762518
Metaphysical frameworks precede religion

[Anonymous No.14762622]

>>14762295
So it turns out high IQ is an evolutionary dead end. Lamo how will atheists ever recover.

[Anonymous No.14762628]

>>14762603
Based.

[Anonymous No.14762660]

>>14762142
Thats the magic of any ideology that is discouraging of family, gender-roles, etc. Its self correcting within a generation.

[Anonymous No.14762674]

>>14762186
I see religious leadership as positive to a society. The corruption in governments stems from man and his misuse of religion for his own benefit, not from the religion itself. But perhaps we are saying the same thing.

[Anonymous No.14762690]

>>14761894
It's over for everyone who kept reading books after the Middle Ages and embraced capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14762699]

>>14762526
>implying creation is possible or a creator is a given

[Anonymous No.14762714]

>>14762699
To suggest that there was no creation and everything simply "has been" takes as much faith as any religion. So whats your point?

[Anonymous No.14762762]

>>14762714
My point is just that: atheists are as close to the truth as theists are.

[Anonymous No.14762764]

>>14762762
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith

[Anonymous No.14762767]

>>14761894
https://discord.gg/nprb8hs

[Anonymous No.14762777]

>>14762764
You are a pompous theist who thinks he is right when he is no more right than any atheist.

[Anonymous No.14762830]

>>14762777
Lmao those digits

[Anonymous No.14762837]

>>14762777
Poetic irony

[Anonymous No.14762846]

>>14762527
No?
I mean non-supernatural religion. Religion not based on believing in anything science can't prove.

[Anonymous No.14762886]

>>14762603
Maybe, but my point is that any religion that is not justifiable by "science" will not survive much longer in the current state of western society.

[Anonymous No.14763245]

>>14762335
Friendly reminder that religious people in first world countries, aside from a few fringe cult-like groups have absolutely abysmal birthrates as well.

This is more a question of 1st/world vs 3rd/world, urban vs rural, etc than religious vs atheist.

[Anonymous No.14763265]

Imagine trying to argue religion on 4chan, like if any meaningful conversation will happen.

[Anonymous No.14763581]

>>14762228
retarded that the only thing keeping this image from being considered NSFW by 4channel jannies is a small pink triangle. Coomers rise down!

[Anonymous No.14763595]

>>14762503
Gnostics today are so retarded. they act like life is some JRPG

[Anonymous No.14763611]

How come atheists only ever attack Christianity and not anything else?

[Anonymous No.14763640]

So many religious idiots in this thread

[Anonymous No.14763662]

>>14763245
>citation needed
Religious people will always have more kids than the agnostic

[Anonymous No.14763669]

>>14763662
This is why schools *need* to be liberal. To help the spread of disease

[Anonymous No.14763670]

>>14761894
Have you ever actually encountered somebody claiming that the Bible is proof that God exists?

Do you even understand the meaning of the word "faith"? Are you illiterate?

[Anonymous No.14763689]

>>14762540
kek

[Anonymous No.14763821]

>>14762350
It may be a miserable outlook but that doesn't disprove atheism. I'm an atheist but I think that many ideals of religious people are worth following and if i could make the choice to believe once again in God, I would. I just can't force myself to believe in a supernatural entity.

[Anonymous No.14763841]

>>14762396
>>14762396
Can this guy do anything other than strawmen cartoons?

[Anonymous No.14763846]

>>14763841
He's not wrong.
Even the OG fedoratipper himself Dawkins called out nuAtheists+ for this.

[Anonymous No.14763867]

>>14763611
Because it's seen as the mainstream religion and is thus an acceptable target. Jews are too much of a minority plus antisemitism laws (regardless of your opinion on that), the people who are most likely to be Atheist are also likely to be Left and jerk off Islam for whatever reason, probably because it's anti-establishment in the West. Buddhism is the sort of trendy go-to religion, and Buddhists are so few in numbers in the West that it doesn't pay to attack them. Then you've got like Sikhs and Hindus which either don't exist in the West or nobody notices them.

Just my thoughts. If you had a more vocal Atheist presence in say, the Middle East, you'd likely see them attack whatever religion is the establishment. Up until the theocracy comes down on them.

[Anonymous No.14763907]

In more ways than not, religion is a profound part of society because it uses the human instinct to find yourself a community to share values.
Atheism is disrupt and more self sufficient, which requires a certain amount of not only intelligence but self awareness and confidence.
There are no community activities and relocatable stories to atheism. Thats why it doesn't grow despite the abundance of factual scientific knowledge available publicly.
It's not over. Maybe religions that require you to accept every word of the faith as law and fact will die out (Islam, Evangelism and Orthodox Judaism) but community focus story telling will not.

[Anonymous No.14763909]

>>14763841
What partisan webcomic isnt just beating the shit out of strawmen

[Anonymous No.14763918]

>>14762396
Wasnt pisschrist artist a catholic

[Anonymous No.14763930]

>>14761920
True. We'll always need religion to fight them.

[Anonymous No.14763941]

>>14763640
You tell 'em Shlomo.

[Anonymous No.14764128]

>>14763821
There's nothing miserable about the atheistic outlook. That's a Christian sentiment. The Christian outlook is far more miserable to an atheist.

[Anonymous No.14764188]

>>14763821
Do you believe other people are conscious? Because there is no evidence that they are either.

[Anonymous No.14764196]

>>14762846
So, secular.

[Anonymous No.14764225]

>>14762095
Based. Feels good to be in the majority, I hate weirdos. Being an atheist is a like being a grown ass man who wears a backpack or reads books about trains.

[Anonymous No.14764248]

>>14762495
I also think this will happen. Christianity will receive an infusion of the Bhagavad Gita and some Buddhism, and be reborn.

[Anonymous No.14764255]

>>14761894
Stupid comparission. Spiderman is plausible.

[Anonymous No.14764324]

>>14763907
Atheism is just the consequence of religion. Religion creates community values, which in turn cull the population and eventually produce people who are independent and comfortable enough to want to break away from it in order to feel their own individualism at its fullest potential. These individuals inspire everyone else, creating new religious feelings in the population, and then the cycle repeats.

[Anonymous No.14764903]

>>14762335
Posts photo of inbred survivalist.

[Anonymous No.14764929]

>>14762350
I don't understand atheists. If someone has a religious bone in their body why would you want to take that away from them? Imagine seeing the world like a small child where everything is enchanted and imbued with meaning. If atheistic materialism is true and everything is a chance abortion of impersonal chaotic processes then what does it matter what someone believes? Atheists are like immature children who delight in telling their younger siblings that Santa isn't real. It's only motivated by bitterness and resentment.

[Anonymous No.14764972]

>>14762335
The man in your picture isn't religious and has a ton of kids.

[Anonymous No.14764989]

>>14762335
>Louis "myths are just describing natural processes" Cachet
>not an atheist
lol

[Anonymous No.14765245]

Assuming that there is an infinity possibility of any occurance within the universe, it is absolutely within reason to say that spiderman exists. When people say infinite that literally means without any sort of limitation. If you say that some possibility is not actualized within the universe, then you are saying that there is a limit. So either the universe is finite, or spiderman exists.

Of course, if one says the universe is "indefinite" instead of infinite, then that is another story.

[Anonymous No.14765284]

>>14762158
because people don't become religious for rational reasons, therefore you can't argue it away

people are religious because they teach it to small children before their reason develops

[Anonymous No.14765337]

>>14764929
Most ardent atheists are disaffected Christians who have adopted a new religion. The logical position is agnosticism: neither faith nor atheism can be falsified. Historical arguments for the evils of religion are almost entirely spurious. The inquisition was a poltical action against jews whose malicious intent against the Christian majority was uncovered. Witch burning was actually quite rare and also had political motives.

[Anonymous No.14765372]

>>14763595
It's actually in reverse. You've just been playing so many videogames that you think reality is the imitator.

[Anonymous No.14765394]

It amazes me how much mental gymnastics atheists have to engage in to disprove something their subconsciousness knows is true.

The bible was written by dozens of different people over a span decades. The chances of them all having a mass hallucination of the same events are practically zero. But obviously occam's razor only applies when it's convenient for the atheist 'skeptics'

[Anonymous No.14765401]

>>14764903
It doesn't look like you know the meaning of that word.

[Anonymous No.14765410]

>>14765394
The bible makes flat out inaccurate statements such as Jews being enslaved in Egypt or domesticated camels being used in Palestine before they were actually brought there.

[Anonymous No.14765455]

>>14764972
He's pagan and has a ton of kids.
>>14764989
He has already distinguished himself from atheists in atleast one video.
source: my memory, thanks youtube censorship kikes
>>14764903
It doesn't look like you know the meaning of that word.

[Anonymous No.14765461]

>>14765455
>He's pagan and has a ton of kids.
"I am not religious in any way, but I have a pagan ideology and pagan values."

[Anonymous No.14765509]

>>14765461
>"Whatever you do a lot of in your life will manifest itself as a hand-me-down trait to your children if you choose to have them."
>other things that atheists would just laugh at.

[Anonymous No.14765558]

>>14763662
Imagine thinking american "conservatives" are not cringe as fuck

[Anonymous No.14765587]

>>14765558
It's kind of hard to cringe at them when their opposition are consistently pushing barriers and making themselves look more non-human.

[Anonymous No.14765588]

>>14761894
>Virtually all scholars who have investigated the history of the Christian movement find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain,[1][2][3] and standard historical criteria have aided in reconstructing his life
>However, scholars differ on the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the gospels
>Despite this, very few scholars have argued for non-historicity and have not succeeded due to abundance of evidence to the contrary

[Anonymous No.14765609]

>>14765394
>he thinks the bible is a collection of eyewitness accounts
OH NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.14765640]

>>14764196
That's not what secular means

[Anonymous No.14765660]

>>14765394

>a span of decades

Lmfao. Try centuries. The 'same events' are, you guessed it, the same stories.

[Anonymous No.14765726]

>>14765284
I became religious after being atheist most of my life. This happened when I realized materialism makes no sense, that the ancients knew that, that they were not stupid, and that therefore when they speak of a monadic God, I should listen.

[Anonymous No.14765731]

>>14765410
You seriously overestimate how many details of the ancient past we know. Even with the Greeks it's already sketchy, nevermind the Egyptians.

[Anonymous No.14765962]

>>14762064
Then since the universe is so big then the chance of God existing tends to 1?

[Anonymous No.14765986]

>>14763841
Yeah be funny and speak the truth unlike you

[Anonymous No.14766022]

>>14763670
I have seen pamphlets written by retard protestant weirdos that say that
1. A car has a creator
2. A car has an instruction manual
3. Life has an instruction manual (the Bible)
4. ergo, the universe has a creator
but those people are just retards and not even worth engaging with. They aren't serious.

[Anonymous No.14766116]

>>14762095
That the animalistic tendency to invent an explanation when something obvious is unavailable grows with 1) the natural population growing and 2) during times of social distortion, economic struggle, and/or strained international activity really doesn't prove anything about religious beliefs other than that low IQ simps desperately searching for answers will always take the easy way out and start making sweeping generalizations about the universe based on a positive serotonin reaction when they imagine there's a simple, convenient explanation for all this confusing stuff that also convenient hands them a generalized abdication of responsibility for their own lives.

[Anonymous No.14766128]

>>14763670
Ironically, the only actual evidence that the Christian faith is remotely accurate is the Christian Bible. Without it, you'd have nothing but vague feelings about the enormity of the universe, and you'd be calling it something else entirely.

[Anonymous No.14766258]

>>14766116
What the fuck, the materialist view of the world is the full abdication one, there is no free will there, and no metric by which to judge who is making better use of the atoms.

[Anonymous No.14766323]

>>14765962
not by the definition of god, no. god supposedly exists outside the universe

[Anonymous No.14766409]

>>14766128
Do the dozens of modern first-hand witnesses/testimonies count?

[Anonymous No.14767368]

>>14761894
The bible is not proof that God exists. It is proof of the Christian claim for God. It is what is called 'Special Revelation'. Paul points out in Romans that the evidence for God is all around us. This is called 'General Revelation' the study of which is Natural Theology. I much more sympathetic to someone not believing Jesus Christ is the Son of God (He is) than I am to atheism in general. The furthest you can get away from Christianity and still be somewhat coherent is Deism, but given enough time this leads into Theism which leads into Christianity.

[Anonymous No.14767460]

>>14765558
>cringe as fuck
>out breeding you
Ah bloo bloo

[Anonymous No.14767492]

>>14765394
Plenty of superstitions last decades, centuries, even millennia. For example: the belief in ghosts. That's not evidence of their validity, just evidence that no matter how high our consciousness climbs, it doesn't improve the general population's state of ignorance.

[Anonymous No.14767539]

I took a high dosage of mushrooms, and became god, and I'm still not braindead enough to be religious. I might get there soon if I keep this up though.

[Anonymous No.14767541]

>>14767368
How so? Can't you still be agnostic atheist or something? How is Deism the only somewhat coherent view, and how does it naturally progress to theism and Christ?

[Anonymous No.14767553]

[Anonymous No.14767697]

>>14764225
>Backpack on a grown ass man
Knock off this fucking astroturf ass meme off

[Anonymous No.14767714]

>>14762503
Didn't we solve the Gnosticism issue back in like the 5th century or whatever the heck?

[Anonymous No.14767733]

>>14767553
Based

[Anonymous No.14767734]

>>14765731
Cope

[Anonymous No.14767772]

>>14765588
what about that guy who said jesus was roman propaganda?

[Anonymous No.14767814]

>>14767772
I know who you're talking about. I ended up watching a video that debunked him, and it mostly boiled down to a matter of why would the Romans create a messiah who actively worked against their interests. It also posits that the guy was the only person in 2000 years to think that Jesus was Roman propaganda and try to make any proof of it, plus the matter of the successful conspiracy to cover it all up.

[Anonymous No.14767825]

>>14762095
Based fucking retard
Atheism is growing in absolute terms, but muslims breeding like rabbits, so atheists end up a smaller only on relative terms.
Atheism is growing in both relative and absolute terms in every civilized society, religion is dying off in every country that matters.
There's no huge surge of christianity in China, that's a meme spouted by Fenggang Yang, a known shill for christianity. In reality his predictions that he made almost a decade ago are nowhere near a reality in 2020

[Anonymous No.14767828]

>>14762095
People have been talking about China becoming majority Christian for almost 150 years at this point.
Every single 'missionary' group for the past 50 years has come out claiming that China is a decade away from being the most Christian nation on the planet, only for that to turn out to be nonsense. How many more times will people latch on to this delusion?

[Anonymous No.14767834]

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheists

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33

Daily reminder most philosophers are atheists

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

[Anonymous No.14767847]

>>14762095
>This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.

It is an undeniable fact that the countries under the Soviet sphere are far less religious than before. Regions like the baltic states, Czech Republic and East Germany are some of the least religious places on the planet, and Russia is irreversibly less religious than during imperial times. Get your pasta right you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.14767862]

>>14762335
Based

[Anonymous No.14767896]

>>14764929
>If someone has a religious bone in their body why would you want to take that away from them?
Because it's in my best interests to do so.
First, the more religious societies are, the more the masses discriminate atheists, so reducing religiosity is beneficial to me.
Second, religion is tightly correlated with backwardness; lack of education, poverty, low IQ, low GDP, lack of innovation, among many others, are correlated with religiosity, reducing it leads to a better society for me to inhabit.
Third, I value truth in itself; religion is intellectually bankrupt while metaphysical naturalism reigns triumphant among intellectual elites for a reason. I rather live in a society where people have epistemically sound beliefs.

[Anonymous No.14768169]

>>14767825
>religion is dying off in every country that matters
Keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous No.14768173]

>>14763918
>(((catholic)))
Small drops of water on the head doesn't change the eternal kike.
Read Mein Kampf to get the picture.

[Anonymous No.14768731]

FACT: Spider-Man saved more people in movies than G*d "did" in "real life"

[Anonymous No.14768745]

>>14768169
Read the Pew Research Center study yourself, brainlet. Religion is declining in the US and Europe.
The only places where religion is growing is third world shitholes.

>By 2050, four out of every 10 Christians in the world will live in sub-Saharan Africa.
This is the future of your religion lmao

[Anonymous No.14768759]

>>14768169
>This is the best response the dishonest manipulator of statistics can muster when his lies are exposed.
Yeah conversation is over, we can pack up. You've seen all there is to see here, folks.

[Anonymous No.14768774]

>>14768745
>>14768759
Religion, birthrates, morals have all been falling in the first world country. What do you faggots think the porchmonkey countries are going to do? Just sit there and breed while leaving the compfy developed countries to grow senile at their own lesiure?
>only in the countries that matter
Youve got nigger tier foresight.

[Anonymous No.14768833]

>>14768774
>morals have all been falling in the first world country.
Right, while muslim and sub-saharan countries are a leading example of morality, right?
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.14768909]

>everything about god and the universe is explained in a relatively small tome that often contradicts itself or offers pointlessly vague statements about important issues

[Anonymous No.14768926]

>>14762846
Unfortunately, they all believe in consciousness, which is something science cannot prove.

[Anonymous No.14768936]

>>14767553
Shit, now that's perceptive.

[Anonymous No.14768944]

>>14767896
> t. never heard of the hard problem of consciousness

[Anonymous No.14769260]

>>14767828
really? do you have source on that claim?

[Anonymous No.14769280]

is it over for your ego?

[Anonymous No.14769304]

>>14766409
No. Because they could be lying.

[Anonymous No.14769394]

>>14763930
based

[Anonymous No.14769622]

>>14768909

[Anonymous No.14769624]

>>14768944
Fuck off retard, I have been reading philosophy of mind since before you hit puberty

[Anonymous No.14769639]

>>14769304
*are

[Anonymous No.14769699]

Christianity is dying in the west, but other religions are still growing, especially the eastern ones and Islam.

[Anonymous No.14769767]

>>14769624
Are you claiming you know what consciousness is?

[Anonymous No.14769900]

>>14769767
Based retard

[Anonymous No.14769923]

>>14769900
> I read philosophy of mind
> I also have nothing to say

[Anonymous No.14769928]

>>14769923
Can you follow reply chains?

[Anonymous No.14769993]

>>14769928
Can you? You say metaphysical naturalism is the most clearly correct. I insinuate the hard problem of consciousness presents an insurmountable problem to it. You fall back to insults.

[Anonymous No.14770029]

>>14769993
I knew from your first posy you were the same retard that always claims the hard problem somehow defeats naturalism, without further elaboration or aegumentation.
Hint: It doesn't. Make a cogent case or fuck off.

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>>14764255
Walloping web-snapper dubs of truth!
>>14769280
>what is difference of words on on page and *reflective surface?*
>>14762186
It’s a shame humans adopted these hardline theologies that insisted theirs is the only “true” faith. Some claim that was inevitable though.

[Anonymous No.14770090]

>>14763662
And how many of their kids remain religious?

[Anonymous No.14770123]

>>14770029
It does because unless physics somehow explains what consciousness is, there will never be a solution to it, neuroscience is not fundamental. The physicalist accounts all seem to want to sidestep answering why there is awareness at all. I guess there is panpsychism, but that doesn't address how atoms would hypothetically generate consciousness. Then there is functionalism, which wants to argue the question is a linguistic mistake, but it's unclear to me how that is a naturalist explanation, at best it just says the naturalist take is one way of many to talk about mind. How do you reconcile naturalism with the hard problem of consciousness?

[Anonymous No.14770149]

>>14770123
How do I reconcile? That would imply there's a contradiction somewhere, which there isn't. A gap of knowledge does not entail any contradiction in naturalism.
Do you know David Chalmers himself is explicitly a naturalist?
The Hard Problem has been known for decades, and it has done little to undermine the dominance of naturalism.

By the way, how do YOU explain reality has a subjective ontology associated with it? It's your response something akin to "literally magic" like substance dualism?

[Anonymous No.14770272]

>>14770149
That's what I don't see, knowledge closing the gap. That would imply there are new physics hidden in the brain. Or panpsychism will turn out true, but that would practically be a religious revelation.

My own perception is that there is something beyond the material, and that the ancients actually knew a lot about this something beyond. Some Indian texts allude to Chalmer's position. I.e. the notion that you're not the doer of your actions is congruent with determinism, that what one actually is is the witness, the perceiver.

[Anonymous No.14770297]

>>14770272
>That's what I don't see, knowledge closing the gap.
I don’t either, I’m a new mysterian, and I don’t have any problem with that. So far, I don’t see that challenging my belief in naturalism, we don’t need to be omniscient to hold a worldview.

[Anonymous No.14770408]

>>14769260
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China#Mainland_China

[Anonymous No.14770448]

>>14770297
I will admit I have trouble discerning the difference between materialism and naturalism. Are you a materialist?

[Anonymous No.14770449]

>>14761942
Christians are this decade's fedoras

[Anonymous No.14770481]

>>14770448
A nonreductive physicalist, yes

[Anonymous No.14770603]

>>14770408
>protestant christians
who cares lol

[Anonymous No.14770613]

the spiderman proof looks a little flimsy.

[Anonymous No.14771750]

>>14768833
ignoring the entire arguement to focus on some vaugely related tertiary point and then declare yourself the winner is thot-tier problem solving

[Anonymous No.14771758]

>>14770090
Enough to remain above replacement level

[Anonymous No.14771775]

Because thinking such a complex universe came from nothing makes you smart

[Anonymous No.14771830]

>>14771750
What argument?
The Pew study does take immigration into account already, go eat shit.

[Anonymous No.14772404]

>>14771830
I believe his arguement was that the third world countries do matter

[Anonymous No.14772453]

>>14767825
The study you posted puts athiests at 3.1% of the US. Unaffiliated does not mean athiest.

[Anonymous No.14772455]

>>14772453
To put that into persepctive, there are more faggots in the US than actual athiests

[Anonymous No.14772456]

Notice how this entire thread is devoid of arguments.

[Anonymous No.14772496]

>>14771830