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14742837 No.14742837 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw latin americans stole magical realism from east europeans and turned it into milquetoast bourgeois garbage

>> No.14742858

What are some magical realism eastern yuro works?

>> No.14742862

>>14742837
>>tfw latin americans stole magical realism from east europeans and turned it into milquetoast bourgeois garbage
Explain yourself OP.

>> No.14742875

>>14742837
Eastern europeans have the shittiest literature of all time so good for them.

>> No.14742937

Kafka and Gogol

>> No.14742978

>>14742837
Calling anything outside of Latin American literature "magic realism", or using the expression "magic realism" instead of Fantastic Realism, should be grounds from permanent excommunication and exile.
Please refrain from saying such disgusting blasphemies. Leave the best literary genre ever conceived of to writers with heart, and leave depressive brainy pieces to eastern Europeans as God intended.

>> No.14743049

Latin American literature and theatre was completely dominated by left wing militants during the period when magical realism was a thing. The inferior quality comes mainly from the fact most authors were making political statements rather than expressing their creativity and skill when writing them.
It's the same reason why everything by Ayn Rand is shit-tier: she is too obsessed with getting her politics across to the reader and that betrays her own creativity.

>>14742858
Kafka's metamorphosis is the most obvious and well known one.

>> No.14743062

>>14743049
>Metamorphosis.
>Magical Realism
>Entire book is about everyone talking about the transformation at all times and the main character constantly freaking out about it.

It's honestly easier for me to put it under psychological horror than magic realism.

>> No.14743070

its called the fantastic and it doesn't use the same tropes at all. metaphors becoming real is only a magic realism thing, for example. sage this shitty thread.

>> No.14743107

>>14743062
Psychological horror would be the genre, magical realism the style.

>> No.14743145

>>14743107
Magical realism strictly doesn't have people acknowledging the "magic" as out of place and whatnot. You could say this might have influenced magic realism, but to say it IS magic realism is a bit of a stretch.

>> No.14743733

>>14742858
Eliade's fiction

>> No.14743746

>>14742875
this
>>14742937
>>14743049
you're a retard if you think Kafka is magic realism

>> No.14743779

>>14743746
shoo africa 2.0

>> No.14743811

>>14743746
Metamorphosis is identical in structure to "A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings." A supernatural occurrence takes place at the outset, and the rest of the story involves the quotidian ways in which people react and adapt to the creature. The only difference is that we have access to Gregor's interiority. Kafka invented magic realism. You are the true retard.

>> No.14745081

>>14743811
If Metamorphosis was magic realism Gregor would go about his day complaining how much harder it is to pass doors, and it would never be addressed, he would never be wondering why this happened, it wouldn't be a central point of conflict of the story.
You either never read latin american fantastic realism or you're just supremely inept at interpreting texts. Reading Gregor's story and reading some character in 100 years of solitude becoming part of a tree feel totally different in content, execution and style, but you're just focusing on the surface.
It's like saying Kafka stole from Aesops fables for using some fort of humanized animal.

>> No.14745126

>>14742837
what film

>> No.14745463

>>14742837
>Spics stole the one good thing about them
Makes sense.

>> No.14745485

>>14742837
No robamos nada.

>> No.14745491

>>14745081
Most if not all modern critics acknowledge Kafka's work as an example of magical realism. Just because it was written before the term was officially coined doesn't mean it isn't part of it you pedantic cunt.

>> No.14745737

>>14742837
>WE WUZ MAGIC REALISMS N SHIEET
>>14743049
>metamorphosis
>magic realism
haven't read a more retarded statement in years

>> No.14745773

>>14745491
>Most if not all modern critics acknowledge Kafka's work as an example of magical realism
because retarded anglo hipsters don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>> No.14746254

>>14743733
You’re a retard.
Eliade is shit-tier weird fiction. He tried to write like Theophile Gautier, but a century later. He is closer to Bierce than Gogol or Kafka.

>> No.14747543

>>14745081
>never read latin american fantastic realism
give some to read then

>> No.14747597

>>14742858
Gogol for sure

>> No.14747616

>>14747543
Pedro Páramo.

>> No.14747644

>>14745491
We should ban Kafka translations into English if this is the result

>> No.14747662

>>14743062
>magical realism means people don't talk or care about the magic
?

>> No.14747954

>>14747662
I'm not the anon you're replying.
It' more like not seem as something strange or questioned, just part of the daily life.

>> No.14747968

>>14743049
>completely dominated by left wing militants
What? Mario Vargas Llosa is right wing.

>> No.14747973

>>14742837
Magical realism is just a pretentious term for low fantasy.

>> No.14747998

>>14747954
so then just about every fantasy book every written counts as magical realism? and Borges Aelph does not count because the character sees it as strange and questions it? just because something is unexpected in a story doesn't discount it from magical realism. it is more a relation between realism and "magic" than it is about the "magic" in the story being real. I am using scarequotes because magical realism is a bad name for it, at least in English. it would be much better understood as something like absurdist realism.

>> No.14748071

>>14747998
It's the daily life of normal people with some small touches of magic here and there.
Borges is different and his own thing.

>> No.14748093

>>14747973
Low fantasy is about fantasy worlds. Magical realism is about fantasy seeping into our world.

>> No.14748096

>>14747973
that's what those mutated demi-hispanics turned it into, but not what it needed to be in its original philosophical slav form

>> No.14748136
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>>14747662
That's why calling it "magical realism" (something that anglos seem to be pushing a lot) is bad. Let me give a definitive example so the anglos here can finally shut the fuck up.
A summary of 'La autopista del sul' (The southern highway), by Cortazar:
>A large traffic jam forms on a highway just south of Fontainebleu.
>People advance very slowly, sometimes coming to a full stop, for hours.
>Get down from cars, start building relationships with one another.
>It's been a full day of traffic jam at this point.
>People start trading goods like food and water.
>Days pass. Weeks pass. Traffic hasn't moved.
>Relationships have formed.
>"The girl from the Dauphine" and "The engineer from the Peugeot 404" get closer to one another.
>After a certain point in the text people are just called by their car names directly.
>Months pass. Seasons change. Food and water have to be rationed.
>Dauphine and 404 are very close to each other now.
>People pay immense attention to the smallest things like a moth landing on a windshield.
>A small community has effectively formed between the car owners.
>Many months later, the traffic jam moves.
>404's line starts moving fast, and he tries to change lines to catch up with Dauphine again. He never manages.
>Everyone is now moving at 30, 40, 50 mph, in the night, looking forward, and only forward.

If you honestly, from your heart of hearts, think this is the same as "MAN BECOMES BUG AAAAAH OH MY GOD BUGMAN", I honestly can't fathom how stupid you are.

>> No.14748154

>>14748071
Kafka, Gogol, and Borges are magical realism. if you think otherwise you either haven't read enough of the genre or you are one of those weird genre fags who will autistically draw lines between "influencers" and "influencees"
>Borges wasn't magical realism, magical realism is the people trying to write like Borges

>> No.14748156

>>14747973
How does it feel to have a single digit IQ? Does water taste different at that level?

>> No.14748219

>>14748136
A summary of 'Der Process' (The Trial), by Kafka:
>man is arrested on the morning of his thirtieth birthday
>he isn't imprisoned or told his crime
>he is told to visit the court on Sunday, without being told a time or a room
>after searching the courthouse, he finds the courtroom in the attic
>he is chastised for his tardiness
>complains about the agents that arrested them, walks in on them being flogged
>he asks for advice on his case and is pointed to the court painter
>a priest tells him an old parable, which has been interpreted by court officials for centuries
>is taken out in to a quarry and stabbed
>"Wie ein Hund!"
If you honestly, from your heart of hearts, think this is the same as "PEOPLE STUCK IN TRAFFIC AHHHH SOCIETY", I honestly can't fathom how stupid you are.

>> No.14748226

>>14748154
Not him. Borges is magic realism. Kafka and Gogol aren't.

>> No.14748248

>>14748219
The Trial ain't even fiction, that's just how russian courts were and still are.

>> No.14748252

>>14745491
>argument from authority fallacy
just... what a lemming

>> No.14748265

>>14748219
Do you consider 1984 to be magic realism too?

>> No.14748272

>>14748265
The Odyssey was magical realism too. It had witches, gods, nymphs, sirens and cyclops yet it was about a man just going back home.

>> No.14748286

>>14748272
What's the witches/gods/nymphs/sirens/severus snapes of the Cortazar short story?

>> No.14748458

Bruno Schulz and Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky share a lot with magical realist authors and predate all the latino ones that I know of, even Rulfo, the supposed original

>> No.14748674
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14748674

>>14748136
What a fucking hack. Is this was passes for a masterpiece these days? I only read classics and non-fiction novels and I often wonder if I'm missing out on things, thank you for showing me I'm not.
Imagine being such a mediocre writer you're unable to just come up with an enjoyable love plot in a convincing setting with it's own conflicts (a civil war, a natural catastrophe, an family feud) so you have to throw everything into this retarded backdrop of a traffic jam that doesn't move and all the brainlets jizz in their pants over oh how creative you are.

This is the literary equivalent of Duchamp's urinal. What an infantile DUDE DRUGS LMAO approach to writing.

>> No.14749039

>>14748674
If you don't even know what the word "novel" means, why are you acting like the vanguard of patrician taste?

>> No.14749071

>>14748674
>Comparing a novel to a short story.
>Comparing a summary of a short story you didn't read to classics and non-fiction novels you did read.
Why must Anglos do this.

>> No.14749439

Anon...