/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14734697]

>My first novel got picked up from the slush pile and is getting published by a small but reputed subsidiary of a major publishing house

We're all gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.14734699]

It's Amazon KDP, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.14734704]

>>14734697
You hit the jackpot of the literary slot machine. Good job.

[Anonymous No.14734711]

>>14734697
>i made it
>therefore we will all make it

[Anonymous No.14734714]

>>14734699
No.

Also, thanks to everyone on this board, it really helped me to improve my writing and get to know some amazing books / authors. You really motivated me to keep on writing and even though I don't visit /lit/ that much anymore, I will always remember you fondly as an important part of my development.

Good luck to everyone.

[Anonymous No.14734716]

>>14734711
What is this fallacy formally called? In statistics it'd be a generalization error.

[Anonymous No.14734718]

>>14734704
Thanks, Anon.

[Anonymous No.14734725]

>>14734711
>>14734716
Not saying everyone will make it. I just hope we all do. Wish you the best, guys.

[Anonymous No.14734726]

>>14734697
>>14734714

Based anon. I'm happy for you and wish you all the best.
Feel free to shill your book to me
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.14734730]

>>14734716
Survivors bias

[Anonymous No.14734738]

>>14734716
Basic ergo hoc.

[Anonymous No.14734743]

>>14734697
What's your novel about OP?

[Anonymous No.14734745]

>>14734714
thank us in the book faggot

[Anonymous No.14734777]

>>14734743
How we fool ourselves to justify the bad things we do.

[Anonymous No.14734781]

>>14734726
Thanks! Will do when it comes out.

>>14734745
I might.

[Anonymous No.14734784]

>>14734704
Reminder, midwits are opposed to low-odds-high-payout gambling analogies because they rate alternate investments as more profitable as their time-preference calculus does not take their age into account (hence view it as a waste relative to say investing in their 401k), whereas the intelligent person assigns years negative value for years beyond a certain age, and secondarily such an analogy does not fit into the just-world hypothesis as it subsumes merits, career advancement, etc, as a matter of luck rather than anything else. The fact that OP thanked you indicates that he is not a midwit.

[Anonymous No.14734797]

>>14734730
I think it's either this or Dunning-Kruger.

>>14734738
I assume you're referring to post hoc ergo propter hoc, but I'm not sure that applies here.

[Anonymous No.14734798]

>>14734777
Don't be all aloof with us you autofellating douche. Give us a couple sentence synopsis.

[Anonymous No.14734808]

>>14734784
But you're failing to take into account advances in medical technology that may make the purported diminishing returns due to age negligible and in fact the value may actually increase due to knowledge and wisdom gained from experience. Plus the purpose of a 401k is to support you precisely because you cannot work past a certain age. Because we're not inuits we need such safety measures.

[Anonymous No.14734819]

>>14734784

Ah yes, the old 'intelligent people save up'-meme. I think someone mentioned survivor's bias earlier.

[Anonymous No.14734856]

>>14734797
It's not Dunning-Kruger, that's people with no experience in a particular task believing that it is easy. It's a bias due to optimism about one's own performance.

>>14734697
Congrats anon on your publication

[Anonymous No.14734864]

>>14734856
iirc there's a converse to the Dunning-Kruger wrt to experts believing the task is easy, i.e a low estimation of their skills, believing that if they can do it, anyone can do it because its easy to them.

[Anonymous No.14734913]

>>14734697
Ignore the bitter losers here; you have achieved something worthwhile, well done.
Just a question: were you part of a review group? If so where did you find them?

[Anonymous No.14734917]

>>14734725
You literally said we're all going to make it in your op post

[Anonymous No.14734930]

>>14734808
>ut you're failing to take into account advances in medical technology that may make the purported diminishing returns due to age negligible
Nothing has been shown to reverse aging. Even the best agents we have hardly put a dent in it from KLOTHO inducers, MAO-b inhibitors, IGF-1 inhibitors, fasting, etc, even combined are not sufficient to offset the inevitable. The brain decays starts at age 30 and it is only downhill from there. Externally, you become unsightly and disgusting. There isn't any sense in sacrificing from your quality of life now in prime in order to live out your so-called golden years, which aren't guaranteed, in progressive and ever worsening decay, where all your loved ones around you die. Life is a terminal disease and not even gene modification is going to prolong it significantly.
>Plus the purpose of a 401k is to support you precisely because you cannot work past a certain age. Because we're not inuits we need such safety measures.
Pure midwitry. I'd rather opt for euthanasia than have sacrificed my entire life for saving some meager reserve to live out my twilight years out of bleak necessity, in which I am too decrypted of a condition to to work. The extermination centers in Solyent Green is more humane than what you have proposed. No thank you. The ultra slim chance of acquiring wealth in youth is more appealing than the guarantee of having saved for it for a very limited future whose years and quality are going to be poor, miserable and unhappy anyways.

[Anonymous No.14734935]

>>14734864

Yes, I believe it's called the 'Just go talk to her bro you just need to be more confident'-effect

[Anonymous No.14734961]

>>14734913
I'm not the OP but we have a small review group going. If you email fourlitreview at yandex dot com I will add you. We actually have a published author with us and he has greatly helped me see what I was doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.14734967]

Goddamn you retards are bitter. You can't even congratulate a fellow anon who worked hard enough to make it.

[Anonymous No.14734970]

>>14734697
I fucking hate you, anon. If I can't get published, no one should. I hope you get cancer, piece of shit

[Anonymous No.14734972]

>>14734967
See >>14734704 + >>14734711 + >>14734784

[Anonymous No.14734973]

>>14734970
Just keep writing. I bet Anon formerly sucked too.

[Anonymous No.14734983]

>>14734930
I'm not talking about reversing aging, I'm talking about curing common age-related illnesses that cause the diminishing return, like Alzheimers, dementia, heart disease, cancer, joint problems, autoimmune diseases etc. Tremendous progress has been made in all of those areas in the last 20 years, tremendous progress will likely continue to be made in the next 20.

If you plan on killing yourself past age 60 (or whatever arbitrary figure you've chosen) more power to you. However, plenty of people have made significant contributions to art, sciences and humanity in their twilight years, plenty more live fulfilling lives providing guidance and mentorship to the younger generation and to their loved ones.

While there must be an age where a person naturally desires death and is ready for it, I don't think 60 is it. And I think that age will steadily increase with the advent of better medical tech.

Also it is equally possible to enjoy your youth and save for retirement without having to risk it all on black swans. Taking on such short-sighted risk also prevents you from engaging in long term investments like starting a family.

[Anonymous No.14734988]

>>14734697
It's great to see you are getting published. I hope the rumors aren't true, for your sake, that only an average of 500 books get sold. It would give me hope that I may be able to make a living some day. Proud of you, fren.

[Anonymous No.14734991]

>>14734697
So how many copies do you want to sell, versus how many do you expect to sell? I hope you have a nice feminine-sounding pseud O'nym to trick blue haired whales into reading it, because no self-respecting hwhite man would buy lit published after 1955

[Greeks No.14734996]

>>14734697
Congratulations OP.
Also, reminder to either ignore, destroy, conquer, or cut out as much negativity or decay from your own and other peoples lifes as you can.

[Anonymous No.14735001]

>>14734983
>If you plan on killing yourself past age 60 (or whatever arbitrary figure you've chosen) more power to you.
I don't. Social security and public housing exists if I have nothing by then which I will subsist on until I die. Regardless, euthanasia is much more humane than this reality:
>purpose of a 401k is to support you precisely because you cannot work past a certain age.

[Anonymous No.14735005]

>>14734697
I haven't even started writing my first novel and I'm turning 27 this month
Never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.14735021]

>>14735001
So not only are you a hypocrite, you're a parasite. No wonder you have such a bleak vision of your own future.

[Anonymous No.14735036]

>>14734697
based anon

[Anonymous No.14735040]

>>14735005
All great authors have been published before the age of 25. Have a great day!

[Anonymous No.14735043]

>>14735021
not him but you sound like a naive faggot. There's absolutely no point in living past 35

[Anonymous No.14735044]

>>14735040

[Anonymous No.14735053]

>>14735043
I always forget that /lit/ is comprised mostly of edgy socially maladjusted college students. Carry on.

[Anonymous No.14735058]

>>14735021
Sounds like you're the one coping with a idealized just-world view, and having all your ducks in a row, thinking everything is going to be just peachy and fine in your late years, and have absolutely no retort other than appeals to hypocrisy (brainlet argument) and a piss-poor ad hominem (muh parasite).

[Anonymous No.14735061]

>>14735053
whatever, grandpa. keep dragging yourself through old age, mediocrity and slow physical and mental decline while true Chads like myself create something amazing in their 20s and kick the bucket at 30

[Anonymous No.14735069]

>first book got approved for publication earlier this week
>thinking of creating a thread to share with /lit/
>OP does this
congratulations you fucking faggot this was my time to shine

[Anonymous No.14735075]

>>14735069
>lying on the internet

[Anonymous No.14735076]

>>14735069
Congrats! What's your book about?

[Anonymous No.14735078]

>>14735069
A challenger appears!

[Anonymous No.14735082]

>>14735058
just stfu Last Man, this isn't the world for you. piss off already

[Anonymous No.14735087]

>>14735082
Looks like I struck a nerve.

[Anonymous No.14735089]

>>14735087
no, you're just lame and cringe, old man.

[Anonymous No.14735092]

>>14735089
Read again, I'm not the retirementfag.

[Anonymous No.14735093]

>>14734697

Congratulations OP, well done.

[Anonymous No.14735097]

>>14735092
oh well fuck the other fag probably wont be able to read my comment through his jam jar old man glasses anyway
LOL

[Anonymous No.14735107]

>>14735053
The thing I don't like nowadays is that this website has become domain of the eternal, shameless newfag. Any data mining thread is chock full of people openly parading being 18-to-22 years old. These are the people you argue with. Glorified children. It's better to just sidle up offside in a rocking chair and watch them throw rocks at each other, because there's no generalized maturation of discourse possible here. You just accept that they're going to be repeating arguments you've seen for 10 years and more with no graduation whatsoever, full of all the pomp and swagger of someone who is convinced they already knew it all by the time they were 16, and get your osteoporotic wife to help apply the Bengay to your lower back so you can watch "the game," because this is unfortunately our "game," in comfort.

[Anonymous No.14735108]

>>14735075
>
>>14735076
unironically about incest on a boat
it's still being revised by them though but I hope they don't make me change much
>>14735078
kek

[Anonymous No.14735109]

>>14734973
You should neck yourself, just like OP. I'm never gonna make it, so I'll just make it my life's mission to ruin shit for other people. OP doesn't deserve his success, if you ever get published, just know that I fucking hate your work and that everyone who reads what you publish and enjoys it is retarded. Fucking faggot, kys

[Anonymous No.14735112]

>>14735108
Yeah, editing can be a real heart breaker.
That premise sounds interesting though. Are you a stylist? Plotfag? Postmodernist? What are we talkin about here

[Anonymous No.14735113]

>>14735107
>blablabla muh young people bad
ok boomer, aren't you supposed to be playing bingo or some shit

[Anonymous No.14735114]

>>14735109
You absolute faggot I really hope your life improves and that you find someone who loves you unconditionally and to whom you can reciprocate that love with all your heart.

[Anonymous No.14735115]

>>14735109
Sounds like you've given up on life. Why don't you go and drop a toaster in the bathtub and stop raining on people's parades you damn killjoy

[Anonymous No.14735118]

>>14735109
it's literally not hard to get published nowadays
create a few short stories and submit them to publishing houses that will read them, it's the easiest way, even if you aren't remotely talented you have a shot at being published
i'm not memeing, it's not hard at all, every landwhale gets published nowadays

[Anonymous No.14735122]

>>14735118
But I don't even like short stories

[Anonymous No.14735123]

>>14735118
This. I bet most of the whiners on this thread haven't even attempted more than a couple of times.
It's all about playing the numbers and developing your skill.

[Anonymous No.14735125]

>>14735114
STOP BEING NICE TO ME YOU FUCKING KEK I COME HERE TO GET INTO ARGUMENTS AND LAUGH AT OTHER PEOPLES MISFORTUNES THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES MY LIFE EVEN REMOTELY WORTH LIVING

[Anonymous No.14735129]

>>14735118
The problem is I can't even match the level of the authors published in these mags. Also most houses now require you to submit through an agent. I don't know of any popular ones that take private submissions.

[Anonymous No.14735130]

>>14735118
>every landwhale gets published nowadays
That's the point, this only works for women and nogs. No one wants to publish white men
>>14735115
no u

[Anonymous No.14735137]

>>14735125
Before you posted anything I already knew your name. You are called my brother.

[Anonymous No.14735154]

>>14735097
kek

[Anonymous No.14735173]

>>14734697
What was your writing schedule like anon? How did you keep yourself motivated?

[Anonymous No.14735177]

>>14735137
you're really starting to push it anon

[Anonymous No.14735250]

>>14734697
Do you have a throwaway email I can order the book from?

[Anonymous No.14735319]

>>14734913
OP here, used to publish excerpts in review threads. Was never in a review group.

[Anonymous No.14735357]

>>14735319
Nice, that's a great achievement.

[Anonymous No.14735381]

>>14734730
>Survivors bias
no this is not even a fallacy or follows the form of what>>14734711 exposed, althought it could be applied if somebody saw op making it and then he could think that everyone who wants makes it.
>>14734730
>ergo hoc
this does not even exist. it is called cum hoc ergo propter hoc, also know as propter hoc. And not related at all. That means false causation infered form correlation. There is not even a correlation here, retard.
>>14734797
>Dunning-Kruger.
that is retard feeling they know better. (like you)

LMAO the averge IQ itt is like 60. The correct answer is faulty generalization as >>14734716
said. No wonder people who doubth what they think are allways more correct than retards who affirm without having a clue.

[Anonymous No.14735405]

>>14735381
>the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."

It goes both ways.

[Anonymous No.14735417]

>>14735405
So does your mom eh

[Anonymous No.14735426]

>>14735405
too bad op never said it was easy. and still does not follow the form of his fallacy, although i see what you meant. your IQ stimation got to 90. keep trying

[Anonymous No.14735432]

>>14735426
I don't think you do.

[Anonymous No.14735431]

>>14735112
I will post more about the work as soon as I get some confirmations bro, as it stands I'm still not 100% sure because it still hasn't gotten past the editing process and I'm anxious

[Anonymous No.14735437]

>>14735113
I only play Diablo 2 (2000)

[Anonymous No.14735442]

>>14735431
Alright, good luck. If you are already one step in that is a good sign though.

[Anonymous No.14735450]

>>14735437
Based choice

[Anonymous No.14735572]

>>14734697
So what's the advance?

[Anonymous No.14735603]

>>14735040
It's like you've never even heard of the great J. K. Rowling.

[Anonymous No.14735619]

>>14735040
William Gaddis published his debut at 33.

[Anonymous No.14735625]

>>14735572
$50k

[Anonymous No.14735645]

>>14735625
Damn, not too bad. Congratz. Bet I could live for two years on it not counting taxes.

How many agents did you query? How many responded with requests? How long did the journey from getting an agent to a publisher take? Any big revisions during it? Any unexpected lessons on the way?

[Anonymous No.14735679]

>>14735040
Wallace Stevens, America's poet of the 20th century, published @44

[Anonymous No.14735685]

>>14735058
>user has left chat
BTFO

[Anonymous No.14735775]

>>14734697
no, it doesn't seem like we will anon, i'm proud of you though

[Anonymous No.14735847]

>>14735107
This post made me recheck my attitude thanks

[Anonymous No.14735979]

>>14735381
Cringe

[Anonymous No.14736594]

>>14735078
Budokai Announcer is the best DB/DBZ character

[Anonymous No.14736608]

>>14734697
Can you give me a referral to any literary agents or publishers?
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.14736799]

>tfw still not published
OP thread is pretty shit but can you tell me what kind of "writer's resume" you had? did you have to publish shitty poems and shorts before an agent would look at you?

[Anonymous No.14737231]

>>14735040
>published
fag what does being published have to do with it. what matters is writing it.

[Anonymous No.14737245]

>>14735040
Thomas Pynchon was 26

[Anonymous No.14737319]

>>14735572
advances make no difference since they're taken out of the profits

[Anonymous No.14737371]

>>14737319
They make a world of difference if you're starving and you dont have a penny to your name you fucking retard. You belong in a labor camp.

[Anonymous No.14737384]

>>14737371
lmao imagine looking at writing as a way to feed yourself you bum this isn't 19th century aristocracy it's /lit/

[Anonymous No.14737385]

>>14737319
>having it this well off
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.14737400]

some small questions for the editor before I submit
how many works in each category are being selected this issue?
how many works have you received in the previous issues, and how many are you expecting to receive now for this one?
are submissions /lit/ exclusive or do you advertise the journal somewhere else?

[Anonymous No.14737407]

>>14735040
Joyce published Dubliners at 34, but really it’s like what >>14737231 said, it matters how long he was writing before then. Apparently Gaddis lost a lot of his rough drafts and notebooks while traveling in Europe during his twenties and didn’t really get down to carving out the Recognitions until a few years before he published it (he says in an interview that he kept leading publishers on with samples for more advance money, but who knows for sure). Beckett didn’t publish More Pricks than Kicks and Murphy until he was 28 and 32, and he considered nearly everything he wrote before to be beneath him.

[Anonymous No.14737442]

>>14737384
Yep. This one is going into forced labor for the rest of his life.

[Anonymous No.14737448]

>>14737442
t. romantic "struggling" "writer"

[Anonymous No.14737456]

>>14737448
>struggling
Only thing you got right, urbanite.

[Anonymous No.14737468]

>>14737456
get a job bum

[Anonymous No.14738357]

>>14736799
>>tfw still not published
The stacies in the publishing industry keep rejecting me as well

[Anonymous No.14738377]

>>14734697
Congratulations, OP. I hope to join you as a published author some day.

[Anonymous No.14738426]

>>14734704
He didn't hit the jackpot at all, he just got a ticket. Publishing means fuckall unless you start shilling and moving copies. You need to move thousands of copies per year just to be able to write full time, and even then you're going to end up taking editing gigs for the first few years for petty cash.

[Anonymous No.14738437]

>>14736799
You don't need to do that shit if you have a hook and you pitch to the right agent anyways.

[Anonymous No.14738503]

>>14738426
Well getting a ticket is something I've been trying for a decade lol

[Anonymous No.14738523]

>>14738503
Keep writing books and keep submitting to new agents. Someday you will break through. If you really want to publish, make a YouTube account where you review books and amass a following.

[Anonymous No.14738541]

>>14738523
Yeah I'll keep submitting, but less frequently. The publishing industry is a shell of its former self anyway.

[Anonymous No.14738554]

>>14738541
You can just as easily pay for a developmental editor, a proofreader, and publish it yourself. You then send free copies out to literally every major booktuber. If your book is good, they will pitch it to their audience.

[Anonymous No.14738583]

>>14738554
Printing for self-publishing costs a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.14738593]

>>14738554
>>14738583
Plus there's a stigma against physical books nowadays as well

[Anonymous No.14738622]

>>14738583
Then don't.

[Anonymous No.14738631]

>>14738622
I can't afford it anyway lol

[Anonymous No.14738649]

>>14738631
Getting a supply chain moving is actually cheaper than paying a developmental editor and proofreader.
I guess keep submitting, or find a job and go at it from the other end.

[Anonymous No.14738656]

>>14738649
Yeah I don't need a developmental editor or proofreader. I have both of those skills.

The publishing industry would just rather publish "Cat Detective" or "Manifesto of a Childless Middle-Aged Woman"

[Anonymous No.14738694]

>>14738656
>Yeah I don't need a developmental editor or proofreader. I have both of those skills.
No you don't. If you do enough sweeps, you'll probably pick up most of your grammar hang ups, but you can't edit your own book. A publishing house will edit your book, in fact an agent sells it to an editor in most scenarios.

[Anonymous No.14738709]

>>14737384
For me it'd be less of feeding myself but about the freedom to work on a sequels in peace.

>>14737468
Why would anyone waste time making money for some rich fuck if you can spend the time on writing?

>>14738554
Why would they bother with some random if they have actually published writers giving them moneys for reviews? If you want ytubers to shill for you, you have to establish yourself in the community first; and at that point, you'd have a following which would bug the others to review your stuff either way.

It's a stupid chicken and hen scenario and in an ideal world, the publishers would do they part, but from what I read, unless the advance is north of 100k, they don't bother too much.

>>14738656
Well, it is an industry after all. If your stuff doesn't sound like it's going to sell well, why would they spend money on it?

[Anonymous No.14738712]

>>14738694
>you can't edit your own book

[Anonymous No.14738752]

>>14738709
>Well, it is an industry after all
It's a circus run by clowns.

[Anonymous No.14738776]

>>14738752
Well, that's what you get when you commodify art but given the alternatives, you might as well suck it up and play by the rules. Or spam Amazon and blogs with selfpublished stuff.

[Anonymous No.14738795]

>>14738776
The issue is that art is not being commodified. In fact, the only way to get your writing commodified is to NOT make art.

[Anonymous No.14738799]

>>14738709
>Why would they bother with some random if they have actually published writers giving them moneys for reviews?
1. Merit. 2. BTers are more willing to go through garbage to find the new hotness.
The process is simple: you subscribe to every BT channel and you fucking work them with comments. Your approach is that of putting out resumes, or a teenage girl trying to make it Hollywood, aka get ready to discard your dignity. Manipulation pays in spades too.

[Anonymous No.14738822]

>>14738712
You can draft it and make edits, but that's not what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.14738833]

>>14738799
Damn, actually sucking dicks to buy ads sounds more dignified tbqh.

[Anonymous No.14738889]

>>14738833
You could always just write as a hobby. You don't have to do it as a career to write books.

[Anonymous No.14739075]

>>14734930
There was this video by a YouTube channel called Veritasium. Reversing aging is possible.

[Anonymous No.14740103]

>>14739075
ok

[Anonymous No.14741473]

>>14734714
i expect a paypal transaction faggot

[Anonymous No.14741562]

>>14734970
Take this as a compliment OP

[Anonymous No.14742688]

>>14734714
me too anon, email [e-mail] if you remember to when it gets published

[Anonymous No.14742701]

>>14734714
Congrats fren. Im going to make it too.