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recommend some stoic philosophy books.

>> No.14728066

Try Pierre Hadot's Philosophy as a Way of Life and A New Stoicism by Lawrence C. Becker.

>> No.14728079

seneca, epistles

>> No.14728082

Don't. It's a meme philosophy for normalfags and redditors.

>> No.14728146

Buy the Meditations, read the first third like 5 times, then flip a coin to choose between Seneca and Epictetus

>> No.14728177

>>14728082
normalfags don't have any philosophy

>> No.14728211

>>14728177
i just live and let live brah

>> No.14728248

WE'RE GOING BACK IN TIME, MORTY! WE'RE GOING TO MEET MARCUS AURELIUS, MORTY! HE INVENTED STOICISM, MORTY! SEX IS JUST FRICTION AGAINST A BIT OF GUT, MORTY!

>> No.14728955

>>14728042
Absolutely hilarious. JUST

>> No.14728961

>>14728042
Seneca, Letters to a Friend.
But why don't you just read Plato? Everything said in stoicism is said there but a thousand times better.

>> No.14728966

>>14728042
Sadler deserves this, he failed his son as a father by being a typical castrated fake Catholic liberal. Imagine studying philosophy your whole life and still rolling over like an indoctrinated bitch tool of academia when your son decides he wants to be a clitty man.

>> No.14728985

>>14728042
Man, I kinda feel bad for Sadler. His only son turned out to be a filthy degenerate and he has to play along or else he'll get eaten alive by SJWs. Sometimes, not often, but sometimes I'm glad that I'm not a person of public interest

>> No.14729015

Epictetus
Seneca the Younger
Marcus Aurelius
Zeno of Citium

>> No.14729023

>>14728966
>>14728985
He claims he used to be a Nietzschean when he was younger. I wonder what he was like in those days. Would he have put up with this?

>> No.14729036

>>14728042
Did he not read the rationalists? He did not think about this rationally nor logically.

>> No.14729041

>>14728042
>Primary
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations (trans. Robin Hard)
Epictetus - Discourses, Fragments, Handbook (trans. Robin Hard)
Seneca - Letters on Ethics (trans. A. A. Long)
>Secondary
Pierre Hadot - Philosophy as a Way of Life
Pierre Hadot - The Inner Citadel
A. A. Long - Epictetus: A Stoic and Socratic Guide to Life
John Sellars - Stoicism

>> No.14729052

>>14729041
Also regarding the volume of Seneca letters I recommended, it's part of a broader complete works set published by the University of Chicago and does not contain every relevant letter that he wrote. So look into the other volumes as well.

>> No.14729056
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>>14729041
>Every author of primary source is trans
Fucking pottery

>> No.14729068

>>14728985
Sadler himself is a degenerate, we just don't see it directly. He's always on Twitter going off about capitalism, immigration and drumptity drumpf. He's the typical Democrat Catholic who isn't really Catholic at all.

>> No.14729078

>>14728042
I am sceptical about those books. Why even read contemporary stoic beginner selfhelp when epictetus already have done that for us in a more meaningful way? We even have cheat sheets from Arrian and Marcus and if you still need inspiration there is seneca or even cynicism, cicero, boethius...

>> No.14729081

>>14728177
They do. The I DONT GIVE A FUCK or Live Love Laugh or Everything is pointless bruh or Dude weed and similar

>> No.14729087

>>14728177
They're essentially hedonists

>> No.14729089

>>14729068
Yes but he wasn't always that way. He was a self-described "Nietzschean" which probably means at one point he would have hated all the faggotry his life has become.

>> No.14729106
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>>14729056

>> No.14729117

I'm studying stoicism now and I would recommend starting with Cicero. You don't have to read all of his dialogues but at minimum you need On the Ends or On Moral Ends. The stoics themselves can be read in any order. I think Seneca's treatises like On Anger are more profitable than his letters which have a more practical than theoretical nature. Don't forget Musonius Rufus.

Above all forget everything you think know about stoicism. A lot of people here have some very stupid ideas of what it is.

>> No.14729201

>>14728042
I'm reading The Practicing Stoic rn
it's really good
just don't read the ryan holiday's ones, they're awful and retarded

>> No.14729224

>>14729087
Stop misusing that word.

>> No.14729460

>>14729224
Essentially, retard. I didn't say they were capital H Hedonists

>> No.14729489

>>14729460
What is the essence of hedonism?

>> No.14729522
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14729522

This modernized bit of Epictetus's Enchiridion's a brief, good intro.

ideonautics.net/manual2 (dot) htm

Emperor's Handbook's the most readable Aurelius translation I've found.

>> No.14729535

>>14729489
Seeking good feelings, avoiding bad ones. There's a ton of different ways the basic concept can be applied, high vs low time preference, what your favorite good feeling is, etc. Just like back in the day Epicurus had his own version that entailed peaceful gardening or whatever

>> No.14729553

>>14729535
The essence of hedonism is that pleasure is ultimate good. What the fuck are you talking about high and low time preference for? That's irrelevant. Feelings are tangential at best.

>> No.14729567

The works of Seneca are probably the best. Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar has some good depictions of it in action.

>> No.14729597

>>14729087
They're too concerned with what each other think to do that right.

>> No.14729707

Who is this guy

>> No.14729728

>>14729707
An adjunct professor for 20 years.

>> No.14729759

>>14729728
Why should I care about him

>> No.14729765

It's nice knowing that the university system eats its own.

>> No.14729766

>>14729759
I don't care what you care about

>> No.14729775

>>14729766
The essence of sociopathy.

>> No.14729793

>>14728966
>>14728985
We told you dumbfucks not to flood the ecosystem with endocrine disruptors. Now it's time to reap the whirlwind - enjoy!

>> No.14729808

>>14729775
It literally isn't

>> No.14729850
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14729850

The Rambler, No. 32. The vanity of stoicism. The necessity of patience.

>> No.14729856

>>14729766
Don't be mean I'm fragile

>> No.14729882

>>14729856
How was I being mean? All I said is that what you care about doesn't matter to me. I'm not interested in convincing you to care about anything.

>> No.14729954

>>14729882
All I want is to be your friend. Why do you keep pushing me away?

>> No.14730101

>>14729553
Pleasure is good feelings dude, the same as suffering is bad feelings. Do you have actual autism or something?
>>14729597
The pleasure they favor is social approval/status

>> No.14730134

>>14730101
Which is why I said feelings are tangential. Don't be stupid.

>> No.14730144

>>14728042
>>14725215

>> No.14730208

>>14730101
>The pleasure they favor is social approval/status
if we're getting that abstract then every motive is pleasure.

>> No.14730746

>>14728066
THIS
Read anything you want from Hadot. Great philosopher. Immensely underrated.

>> No.14730909

>>14728042
please don't

>> No.14730920

>>14729068
He is one of those Benevolent Catholics, the current pope is one too. But the secret is already out that Catholics don't have any convictions other than molesting little kids.

>> No.14730944

>>14730208
it's pretty much a tautology that all motives have to be in some way 'the good feeling'

>> No.14731565

>>14728042
you can start by throwing it in the trash

>> No.14732061

>>14729068
But real Catholics are anti-capitalist. Chesterton, Belloc, Day, Leo XIII, Benedict XVI, the list goes on.

>> No.14732087

>>14732061
If you define capitalism as evil men doing evil stuff, sure. Market economics has not been condemned. That's fucking stupid.

>> No.14732177

>>14732087
Systems themselves can be deleterious to human spiritual and material dignity. You may as well say that no social or political system can be rejected since their faults always involve ‘evil men doing evil stuff’. Capitalism is also not synonymous with trade in general, but is a techno-economic situation specific to modernity.

>> No.14732211

>>14732177
Oh piss off. Who said anything about trade or systems? You don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.14732220

>>14732211
Not very Catholic language!

>> No.14732240

>>14729081
Philosophy requires awareness and reflection. Just call it a culture-given (rather economy-given) ideology.

>> No.14732251

>>14730208
>>14730944
The way your brain works makes things you like doing synonymous with being motivated. 'Pleasure' is too abstract and localised for talking about this.

>> No.14732385
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14732385

Why is he so angry?

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14732456

>>14728966
>>14729023
>>14729793

Its literally a fake tweet.

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>>14732385
>>14732456
Read this thread.
https://mobile.twitter.com/randombot_alpha/status/1136734865204948993

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14732566

Old man yells at cloud