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1471586 No.1471586 [Reply] [Original]

Would you accept Zizek as your philosopher King and absolute authority ?

>> No.1471589

Did he cut a hole in his jeans or is that fucker shitting right into his pants?

Disgusting.

>> No.1471700
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>>1471589
Is he wearing anything, or is he naked in the bed in this picture?

>> No.1471703

>Zizek
>Philosopher

nope.jpg

He is a sociologist

>> No.1471707
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>>1471703
He's a philosopher, sociologist, film critic, former politician...

None of those things are mutually exclusive.

>> No.1471710

>>1471700
He is wearing the bed sheets, not naked.
For a philosophy thread you just failed you check your definition of clothing.

>> No.1471713

oh man, he is so edgy talking about toilets and shit

that is really what I hope to be doing when I get my PhD

talking about toilets and communism and making people lol

>> No.1471716
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>>1471710
But does nudity require a lack of clothes, or merely the belief of a lack of clothes? Am I not naked in your fantathies?

>> No.1471727

>>1471586
Nope. He is a philosopher and a Marxist. IMO, anyone with a college education who is still a Communist in the 21st Century is too brainwashed or stupid to be trusted alone with a pair of scissors.

>> No.1471750

He eesch a neo-Lacanian schoschial crrritic ent pheeloschopherrr.

>> No.1471770

TBH I'd be frightened, how ever much I like him and marxism, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't hesitate to execute dissidents. I guess if I didn't oppose him or the party I'd make it pretty far, being a dedicated marxist. So yes I would accept because I'd probably gain by it and I'd just turn a blind eye to the insane shit he does.
If the system prevails I'll keep my dedication, if I see it imploding I'll join the bandwagon as fast as I can and write very critical novels and go into history as a hero opposing the system.

>> No.1471776

>>1471770
see
>>1471727
Communism in general (including marxism, maoism, blah, blah, blah) is the most discredited philosophical/economic/political theory ever

>> No.1471794

>>1471776
>marxism.... is the most discredited philosophical/economic/political theory ever

^^^ has either never read Marx, or has no comprehension of the last 2.5 years of economic history.

>> No.1471818

>>1471776
Flawless argument comrade.

>> No.1471920
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>>1471818
>>1471776
>>1471770
>>1471727

Marxism <---/---> Comunism

You can be a marxist without being a goddam stalinist. Do you people really think that marxist school of thought is old fashioned or dissaproved, only because the USSR fell down? What about Antonio Gramsci, Perry Anderson, E. P Thompson or David Harvey? Have you ever heard of the Frankfurt School?
I dare you to read some Immanuel Wallerstein, motherfuckers. Sure it will make you think and change your mind about the global capitalism...

BTW I don't like Zizek because he's full of lacanian bullshit, but that's another story.

>> No.1471923

>>1471794
Ooooh, an economic downturn trumps 100 years of failed experiements in Communism? The total economic collapse of every Communist state that did not adopt Capitalistic elements, regardless of global economic trends, is negated by a recession brought on by demographic shift?
Brilliant.
The rapid descent of every Communist government into a totalitarian dictatorship of thuggish kleptocratic oligarchs is a coincidence to be brushed aside because of I don't know?
The utter failure of Communist philosophies to produce any original content that is not mere self-reflexive contemplation is an affirmation of it?
Get a grip. Any political/economic ideology that kills more people than the Nazis is an utter failure, regardless of how smart it makes you feel.

>> No.1471936

>>1471920
>I dare you to read some Immanuel Wallerstein, motherfuckers.
Not who you are talking to, but will do, thanks.
And I'm a libertarian, so you get a marxist karma point for that, I guess.

>> No.1471937

>>1471920
*yawn*
Yeah, and what is the result of real-world application of these theoreticians (whom I have, yes, read)?
Failure. Unless you consider Hofstadter and his 'I don't to primary research' approach to history a success. Habermas' work is, in the end, fatuous and ineffectual (as admitted by his own followers, in the end).
BTW - I am a Distributist, not a Capitalist, but (again) any fool who still thinks Communism in any of its forms is viable after the USSR, PRC, RNK, Khmer rouge, etc., etc., etc. is beneath comtempt

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>>1471923
>Any political/economic ideology that kills more people than the Nazis is an utter failure, regardless of how smart it makes you feel.

Godwin, we've got Godwin here...

>> No.1471950

>>1471942
OK, how about "kills more people that total battle deaths from WWII"

>> No.1471957

>>1471920
Love you, man. Wallerstein is genius.
>>1471936
Check out "The Rise and Future Demise of the World Capitalist System" in Comparative Studies in Society and History Vol 16, No 4. It's only 30 pages, and will blow your fucking mind if you let it. From 1974, at that.

>> No.1471965

>>1471937
I wonder what all those governments have in common besides being communist? Oh right, they were autocratic dictatorships with little if any worker control.

>> No.1471970

>>1471713
This, but non-jokingly.

>> No.1471973

>>1471937
Of course you've to be mad about those totalitarian regimes.
The problem is when shitty media and shitty intellectuals identify marxism with "zomg evil communism". It just kills any way of thinking critically about the current capitalist disasters. I'm european and I'm tired about our stupid socialist governments who acted the same way as the right in economic matters. Now we are stucked in a shitstorm and nobody knows how to get out...

>> No.1471975

Capitalism is coming up against inherent stresses, not caused by the capitalism part but caused by the failure to have a global free market with a single set of rules. We do need to change something, either economically or socio-politically - but that doesn't mean that any existing idea is necessarily the answer. We need to come up with something new.

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>>1471586

Never.

Already took Wittgenstein for that role.

>> No.1471999

>>1471985
I do Zizek incredibly interesting, but I have to second this man. Wittgenstein is the true philosopher king.

>> No.1472003

>>1471999
But Wittgenstein doesn't have any good jokes. I love Zizek's allegories...

>> No.1472017
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>>1472003

If you want a philosopher with really good jokes, go for John Searle. He's funny and his work is clearer than a thousand thinkers.

But I also like the allegories of Zizek xD!

>> No.1472093

>>1471965
Isn't it weird how that happened to EVERY SINGLE Communist nation? Its almost as if the theory doesn't work in the real World <tm>

>> No.1472106

>>1471975
I would counter that Capitalism is running into moral stressors as predicted by Communist theory but that Communism isn't the answer. In both laissez faire Capitalism and Communism moral actions are supposed to spring forth from the politico-economic system favored by the theory. In reality, economics and politics are not sciences unto themselves but merely sub-sets of ethics - this is why the attempts at Communism fail as do 'pure' Capitalism; the theories start from a false premise.
This is why I am a Distributist; start with ethics and economics takes care of itself.

>> No.1472246

>>1472106
What? Nothing else?