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Is he right?

>> No.14707738

>>14707730
i mean, who else was gonna read it

>> No.14707746

No, it's really good. Lots of non-whites agree. Only American Negroes are bitter about it, partly understandably, but it's a tad immature of an attitude.

>> No.14707747

shakespeare, milton, and chaucer are just european forcememes. the only reason you literally can't think of other top writers in these genres is white men's shenanigans to repress others.

>> No.14707749

>>14707730
>he

>> No.14707753

>>14707730
East Asians tended to like our stuff a lot, even to this day.

>> No.14707756

>>14707753
And coincidentally they hate niggers too

>> No.14707769

>>14707756
weird coincidence

>> No.14707773

>>14707730
Why are they so bitter?

>> No.14707781
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14707781

>>14707773
They have enough self-awareness to realize they are inferior beings but not enough self-awareness to humbly admit it to themselves, thus resulting in the typically Afro-American neurosis.

>> No.14707782

Are people like this actually real? I mean beyond the virtue signaling and cuckery, is this the type of person he is when he heads to bed at night?

>> No.14707786

>>14707730
Let's pretend that there's classic lit produced by white men that only speaks to white men... what does that have to do with its greatness?

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>>14707782

>> No.14707797

>>14707788
Is he black or latino (or mix)? Because I've noticed that latino Americans are especially obsessed with superhero films. It's like a religion for them.

>> No.14707798

>>14707730

The missing component is that, on balance, white men are better than other people and therefore their opinions are of greater value. Once you understand that, the complaint is void. One has to ignore this to take that thing's view.

>> No.14707804

>>14707788
desu his analysis is probably 100% spot on because you have to be retarded or a child to miss the insanely ham-fisted simplistic moralization in marvel movies

>> No.14707816

>>14707797
>latino
It's latinx, you fucking tool of the systemic white supremacist establishment that we call the USA

>> No.14707823
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14707823

>Non-white men did not produce great art and literature, non-white men produced art and literature that spoke to other non-white men, so they all just collectively agreed amongst themselves that it was great.

>A lot of it ain't great.

>> No.14707826

>>14707816
Unironically suicidate.

>> No.14707837

>>14707816
the irony is that blacks and "latinx" are like the most american of all. they are the biggest consumers of american pop culture, the most obsessed with the latest trends, and the ones that use the most idiosyncratically american slang. blacks and latinos are american imperialism on steroids, and the more they take over the country the more the country will veer towards ruthless imperialism.

>> No.14707838

>>14707782

Idk but I recently moved from Europe to a big, liberal Canadian city and some of the shit I hear is just beyond parody.

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>>14707730
Does he consider Borges, Cortazar, Neruda or Lezama Lima to be white?

>> No.14707855

There are parts of the "Western canon" that are definitely overrated (overly verbose Victorian serial novels bug the crap out of me, personally), but this guy is an idiot. You knew that already, though. He probably thinks of great art and literature as being propaganda of old white men which need to be replaced to get with the times, which is ironically pretty racist considering what massive contributions non-Westerners have made to the "global canon" of great literature and other arts. Not even including the Chinese, Japanese, post-colonial Latin Americans, and Indians...
>Epic of Manas
>Nine Cloud Dream
>Olonkho
>Egyptian Book of the Dead
>rock-hewn Lalibela churches of Ethiopian and the Ethiopian Christian literature
>Igbo-Ukwu bronze artifacts of Nigeria
>Gamelan orchestras and Wayang shadow puppet theatre in the East Indies
I could go on about all of the wonderful things in the world that complement the "Western canon." Ironically, this man is probably a Western chauvinist who holds his uniquely Western values over others' heads.

>> No.14707858

>>14707730
He's seems racist.

>> No.14707860

>>14707730
no

>> No.14707862

>>14707846
He would probably classify them as pseudo-scientific paranormal phenomena, and call you a schizo for believing those authors exist, because the possibility of things existing outside the burger white-black spectrum is too much for him to comprehend.

>> No.14707863

>>14707837
Stop the bigotry, please. "Blacks" and "latinos" are seriously offensive terms. It's "people of color" and "latinx". Thank you .

>> No.14707864

>>14707846
Weren't all those guys criollos? Borges definitely was a criollo IIRC.

>> No.14707865

>>14707858
You can't be racist against white people.

>> No.14707869

>>14707855
The hilarious part is that you can ask them what great pieces of art or literature were made by non-white men and they'll be clueless about how to respond

>> No.14707876

>>14707738
kek

>> No.14707880

>>14707846
He doesn't know them, or probably never saw a picture of them. Skin color is everything for this kind of people, it define them.
Video related: https://youtu.be/juQLifY4l_0

>> No.14707882

>>14707865
Unironically this. Racism=power+prejudice.

>> No.14707887

>>14707804
That’s why these types of people do this shitty low culture analysis. They get to consume a shallow product but then turn around and pretend it’s actually a useful intellectual exercise.

>> No.14707891

>>14707863
He said latinx you fucking retard

>> No.14707901

What I find funny about this is that basically every culture acknowledges the artistic merit of other cultures (whites appreciate asian literature, the japanese really like dostoevsky, etc. ), except for niggers. Nobody acknowledges them because there's nothing to acknowledge.

All in all, the question here is not white vs non-white, but nigger vs non-nigger literature.

>> No.14707904

>>14707891
>retard
That's ableist.

>> No.14707908

>>14707891
>retard
The proper term is pos (people of stupid)

>> No.14707909

>>14707904
Good

>> No.14707915

>>14707891
He put latinx in quotes and then used latino instead. Stop the racism and ableism, please.

>> No.14707917

>>14707901
I hope one day there world will band together against the nigger menace. Honestly, no one likes them.

>> No.14707918

>>14707865
He is racist against nonwhite people of the world because he is lording over them with his distinctly Western value system.

>> No.14707926

>>14707918
based duginist

>> No.14707929

I'M GONNA SAY IT
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>>14707730
There's no such thing as white supremacy. Only non-white cope.

>> No.14707935

>>14707865
Funny, saying "You can't be racist against white people." Is creating more racists than it is weeding them out

>> No.14707947

>White privilege is not benefiting from being white, but not being disadvantaged due to being white.

How do you refute this?

>> No.14707961

I fucking hate Americans and your blood-cult bullshit. Shut the fuck up, every one of you.

>> No.14707973
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>>14707947
By stating that in-group preference is purely natural and normal and that them trying to force others against their natural inclinations is a refutation of multiculturalism.

>> No.14707978

>>14707865
>>14707882
lying is a sin boys

>> No.14707980

>>14707961
>t. jealous PoC

>> No.14707986

>>14707980
His anti-bloodcult stance is pretty anti-semitic.

>> No.14707993

>>14707730
Also, our technology is only so advanced because we just collectively agreed among ourselves that it's advanced.

Wattle-and-daub housing is as good, if not better, than space travel.

>> No.14708031

>>14707823
>Non-white men did not produce art and literature, non-white men claimed art and literature that belonged to white men, so they all just collectively agreed amongst themselves that it was theirs.

>none of it is theirs

Fixed

>> No.14708137

>>14707882
Also murder = power + unlawful homicide. White people cannot be the victims of murder. They can be killed, which is bad, but not on the same level as murder. A PoC, however, doesn't have the institutional power to commit murder against a white person, because white people have the privilege to utilize systems of oppression against marginalized folx to benefit the furtherfication of their own systemic notions of "whiteness" against a whole backdrop of historical and economic otherness and ostracization of blackness in the context of "unemancipation" and capitalistic imperialism over black bodies. You cannot deny this.

>> No.14708168

>>14707993
African shamans were exploring space thousands of years before whites, through their spirit journeys in the astral realm

>> No.14708174

>>14708168
Go back to space

>> No.14708181

>>14708137
This is exactly right. Who are you quoting?

>> No.14708183

>>14707781
Did freud really say this?

>> No.14708196

>>14708181
I'm quoting my melanin. It vibrates on a divine frequency of pure, unadulterated blackness.

>> No.14708205

>>14708183
no lmao. i have no idea what if anything he said about blacks. wouldn’t surprise me if he said some “racist” things though

>> No.14708206

>>14708196
Are you a fellow electric alkaline brother by chance?

>> No.14708226

>>14708206
I'm known to feast on lightning, yes.

>> No.14708288

>>14707730
The only thing I agree on is, racist are low iq. Inb4 infographics stating racial iq disparities proving my point.

>> No.14708303

>>14708288
Then explain why chinks, japs, and gooks are so goddamned racist.

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>>14708137
>As a person of color I am a brain dead mule who can only serve the whiteman under this system and I take no responsibility for my actions because I don't have any power

Firstly that is not the definition of murder you schizoid.

Second as a PoC I can deny everything you said.

Third your shortcomings are your own, not the whites fault.

Cope harder.

>> No.14708337

>>14707865
Just in case you aren't trying to bait.

"Black men did not produce great art and literature, black men produced art and literature that spoke to other black men, so they all just collectively agreed amongst themselves that it was great.

A lot of it ain't that great."

Thoughts?

>> No.14708343

>>14707730
Forgoing a lengthy discussion on the history of whiteness, this guy should read "A Room of One's Own." It's not that white men all agreed to elevate their work over the works of others; they were the only ones with the means to do the work. Some of it's great, some of it's not, and that which is not great is probably largely forgotten. His claim potentially gains greater purchase when we consider the modern era, but women and people of color have produced great works alongside the great and mediocre works of white men. And yeah, white men are still privileged within the publishing industry (again, forgoing a lengthy conversation on whiteness), for reasons intrinsic and extrinsic to that industry, and this is a fine argument to make, but his is a far broader argument that I think the medium has precluded all chance of nuance within. Short answer: he's not quite right, but he's not quite wrong either.

>> No.14708352

>>14708343
Don't be a wishy washy faggot.

>> No.14708353

>>14708288
Niggers are the most racist, so there may be some truth to that.

>> No.14708354

>>14708337
Literally every culture/race within the last 10,000 years could fit that narrative. Its bait.

>> No.14708359

>>14707738
keking hard.

>> No.14708360

>>14708354
Ahem, this is an American website dedicated to discussing Japanese art.

>> No.14708371

>>14707862
>white-black spectrum
The burger continuum is black / not-black. All historical expansions of whiteness can be understood within this framework, and not within a white / black one.

>> No.14708387

>>14707935
I don't think it's creating them, but it certainly is drawing out a lot of previously unconscious racism.

>> No.14708393

>>14707973
>in-group preference is purely natural and normal
That's an argument, not a statement of fact. How do you substantiate this argument?

>> No.14708397

>>14707747
>only knows Anglo writers

And Englishman posted this hoping to bait but merely outed himself instead.

>> No.14708404

>>14708387
Can you explain this? Not bullying, just curious as to why you think this.

>> No.14708405

>>14708352
I just don't think Twitter is a good medium for arguments that require greater nuance than a few hundred characters. Sure, a "thread" can be created, but at that point, the author may as well stop teasing the audience and move to Medium (or actually get published).

>> No.14708415

>>14707887
I don't think its even that.

They think of themselves as intellectuals, therefore anything they enjoy is an intellectual pursuit.

>> No.14708416

>>14708387
No it's literally creating them. White people are raised to be incapable of even thinking racist thoughts, but this constant barrage of hostility against whites makes them start thinking of themselves as a group and feeling resentful towards other races, which for some people leads to reading about racial disparities.

>> No.14708419

>>14707738
fpbp

>> No.14708438

>>14708387
Everyone has innate racial consciousness because everyone that has not been indoctrinated against it innately understands that their individual fortunes are at least somewhat tied to the fortunes of their race. If you realize a whole or large enough percentage of a racial group is directing animosity towards yours, self preservation kicks in.

>> No.14708440

>>14708404
I think everyone (and I mean everyone, not every white person) has racist thoughts, whether these are known or unknown to the thinker. We grew up in a racist culture with a racist history. When white privilege entered mainstream discourse, it illuminated for some how they unwittingly took part in an uneven system, but others reacted to the idea of privilege with revulsion, and in response, they've increasingly driven unconscious, unbidden, historically contingent thoughts into consciousness, owning them as they own the original "slight."

>> No.14708444

>>14708416
What a lot of liberals fail to understand is that toleration is a two way street. It doesn't work when only one group is expected to play nice. If they were less hypocritical and stupid, they wouldn't encourage the kind of racial demagoguery that drives young people into the arms of the far right. They have only themselves to blame for the resurgence of hate groups.

>> No.14708447

>>14707816
latinx is such an ugly word, why would you wish to be associated with it?

>> No.14708448

>>14708416
Unconscious doesn't mean incapable. Racist thinking is probably impossible to fully curtail (excepting an entirely new history separate from the one we are beholden to).

>> No.14708461

>>14708440
I'm going to be honest here, if "white supremacy" were real, why would I want to dismantle it? Why would I want to do away with a system that benefits me?

>> No.14708462

>>14708393
>How do you substantiate this argument?
By demonstrating a wide spectrum of this behavior across many cultures.

>> No.14708468

>>14708438
This narrative you're pushing (and I'm not saying it's wrong) is historically contingent, not intrinsic to interactions between outgroups. Well, we don't know that it's intrinsic because there's no way to test whether it is. Any test would always already be influenced by our history.

>> No.14708471

>>14707738
We fucked up when we taught the white women to read and write

>> No.14708484

>>14708461
Altruism? Sure, for a particular set of goals or from a particular perspective, it makes little sense to dismantle a system of privilege. From others, it does.

>> No.14708485

>>14707797
> It's like a religion for them
Theyre a superstitious bunch.
Thank God the catholics found them first.

>> No.14708503

>>14708484
The way I see it, there's always going to be some sort of hierarchy. I don't think the "white race" is inherently superior, but when we get knocked off our perch it's not going to be the beginning of a new era of equality. Some other group will simply take over.

>> No.14708504

>>14707855
book of the dead isn't literature like a book by dickens, retard. it's a collection of rituals and spells that were only arranged into "one book" after thousands of years of modification of/ new entries.

>> No.14708510

>>14708440
And the "original slight" is the idea that "you can't be racist to white people because power+prejudice=racism"?

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14708512

>>14707730
What exactly is his argument? Who are these "white men" he's referring to? Who are they contrasted with? What historical period is he referring to, if any? What does he personally consider to be "great art"?
Statements like this have no actual substance, just outer fluff that evokes an emotional yes-man response in the unreflective.

>> No.14708517

>>14708503
I don't think that's an inevitability, but I certainly do think that it's possible. Hell, I suspect it's more likely.

>> No.14708518

>>14708512
bugs...easy on the diet pills

>> No.14708521

>>14708447
What gender-neutral alternative to Latino/Latina do you suggest?

Latin@?

Latinoa?

Purple Latinguin?

Latinzorf the Devourer?

∩▲■?

ƺ̚ѻҗ͆Ѿ۞֮?

̸͓͉̆̊щ˟̎̂ʧ˲˦̫̀ʉ̘ϡٔ؛عᴥ?

?

>> No.14708525

>>14708510
I'm sure that's an ongoing part of it, but here I was only referring to the voicing of the idea that certain white people could be privileged.

>> No.14708538

>>14708503
the thing is whites as a group are not on any sort of perch whatsoever, the very powerful are heavily white, sure, that's not the same thing. I hate to fucking say it, but this concept of whites as an oppressive class reeks of misapplied Marxian thinking. Whatever you think about Marx' analysis of power, his economic classes were actually plausible real structural elements, in a way that races simply are not. Not even in the slave era would that have actually worked.

>> No.14708542

>>14708512
That's why these emotional twitter statements are so effective at riling people up. They have no concrete meaning aside from the reader's emotional response.

>> No.14708555

>>14708538
Agreed, but powerful whites will and have used race to consolidate a base of support that it may not otherwise control. This happened in the Southern United States, and it's happening now. Shifting the conversation to economic classes could remove this particular bulwark from the powerful and heavily white, but such a narrative building task will be an unending one.

>> No.14708556

>>14708521
whats wrong with latino/latina?

>> No.14708560

>>14708521
Follow based Llosa's advice and don't be a retard. There isn't, and there will never be a language-neutral alternative to that word, or any other, in the Spanish language.
Why would you try to so vehemently colonize and destroy a language you don't even speak? Why does American culture ruin every single individual tainted by it, regardless of race?

>> No.14708563

>>14708556
They're binary terms. We know now that gender isn't binary.

>> No.14708569

>>14708555
What powerful whites do you see doing this now? White racial consciousness is quasi-fucking-illegal in the West.

>> No.14708580

>>14708542
this. Rationally responding means you have white rage, and that you are an active proponent of "the oppressive system." Not responding means you agree or submit. Agreeing gives you an outlet to cope with the fact that you personally (and most likely culturally) have contributed nothing important to the world.

>> No.14708582

>>14708440
I internally judge everyone based on their race, age, sexual orientation, height, weight, smell, clothing style, hair style, whether or not they have piercings or tattoos, and, if i choose to get to know them well enough, their taste in literature (if any), music, political leaning, diet, and recreational activities.
Not judging your surroundings, and those moving and existing within it, is dangerously naive. Just because you judge whether or not someone is a potential threat doesn't mean you have to hurt them or take away their "rights". In my experience, "whites" have no privilege.

>> No.14708585

>>14708560
Brown Spanish speaking Americans invented the term Latinx in the early 2,000s. You can't give credit to white Anglos. They didn't do shit to contribute.

>> No.14708608

>>14708560
That term was invented and popularized by Latins, mainly tranny tumblr-using chicanos, living in America

>> No.14708619

>>14708563
Define "know"

>> No.14708629

>>14708580
Well a sweeping statement like OP is irrational and illogical. It lacks purpose and reason, and is thus unreasonable. Unreasonable opinions don't warrant a rational, logical, or otherwise reasonable response. Responding irrationally (emotionally) is exactly what is sought and expected. So simply calling im any number of racial slurs would thus be more in line with that line of thinking than a well thought out discussion, and I for one would expect no more or less, providing it's done from an anonymous account of course.

>> No.14708631

>>14708619
Provable scientific fact, you double posting namefag

>> No.14708656

>>14708585
>>14708608
I specifically referred to American culture because,
1. you can't pretend the source of all of this isn't the anglosphere and,
2. I was specifically referring to the fact the kind of retard that began popularizing this word (and takes pride in being latino, at all) is usually the second/third generation of Central/North American latinos that not only have been entirely indoctrinated in every level by American culture, most of them can't even speak Spanish properly in the first place. Chicano isn't that far off from being a mexican equivalent of nigger, but said dumb chicanos didn't even know enough Spanish to realize that in the first place.
This is all on you, whitey, and your never-ending greed culminating in cultural appropriation only for the sake of easier marketing. Don't pretend otherwise.

>> No.14708665

>>14708619
It's been proven that gender isn't a simplistic binary. It actually exists as a hyper-spheroid in 4 dimensional space.

>> No.14708670

>>14708555
The point being if you want to engage in Marxism tie it to class not race. There is nothing more substantial and real in modern burgerland than networth. Uniting the lower class under the banner of love for anyone poor and hate for anyone at a certain level of wealth is way fucking easier than the cat herding of racism. Marxism is one good meme campaign from reality. Racism is going nowhere and its victories create division not unification. That's why it is encouraged.

All the meme campaign has to accomplish is baby steps. Never mention Marx or stupid tankie imagery. You don't even need to meme rich people bad. Those are all implicit and flow naturally. You have to meme that being poor is an exclusive status and to bully and exclude rich kids. Investment class rich, not doctor level rich. You're associating the imagery of companionship with class and isolation with the ruling class. Then you start a feedback loop because the upper class are already isolated.

Being back feudal imagery of ivory tower princesses shit away from the sun and fun loving peasants sharing life together at the pub.

>> No.14708677

>>14708447
I like la tinks. It makes me think of lots of cute little French Tinkerbells.

>> No.14708679

>>14708665
Can confirm. I've been to the 4th dimension and witnessed the gender spheroid with my third eye.

>> No.14708682

>>14708656
Tepid take. Fuck off and practice your writing

>> No.14708686

A lot of EVERYTHING ain't that great

>> No.14708687

>>14708679
>jazz's urethral ball

>> No.14708693

>>14708205
>>14708183
Freud is a kike, he only speaks for the kike agenda which is genocide of europeans by race mixing, so he probably wouldn't say anything like that

>>14708665
actually it's a tetramegahedronix thats most easily mapped to 6 dimensions
at least thats what this jew said before I set his head on fire and watched him choke on flames and doused his children in concentrated acid

>> No.14708695

>>14708656
>The term Latinx emerged from American Spanish in the early 21st century,[8] and was reportedly first used online in 2004.[9] The term has gained popularity in social media, and is mostly used by community activists and in higher education settings by students, faculty, staff, and some administrators who seek to advocate for individuals living on the borderlines of gender identity.[10]

>Salinas and Lozano (2017) stated that the term is influenced by Mexican indigenous communities that have a third gender role, such as Juchitán de Zaragoza, Oaxaca (see also: Gender system § Juchitán, Oaxaca, Mexico).[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx

>Latinx is used generally as a gender-neutral term for Latin Americans, but it has been especially embraced by members of Latin LGBTQ communities as a word to identify themselves as people of Latin descent possessing a gender identity outside the male/female binary.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx

>> No.14708699

>>14708631
>Extra True 100% Verified Correct Idea(tm) Copyright 2020 Judaism

>> No.14708726

>>14708569
Trump does it, but it's not like American politicians haven't long dealt in white racial animosity. Hell, it was full spectrum up until the last decade, and the "centrist democrats" still talk in less-than coded language about placating white people. White racial consciousness is hardly illegal. It's just that the white consciousness espoused by white nationalists et al. fails to consider the full history of the race. If they did, and if the supremacists came fully into their power, what would follow would be a Balkanization and a restriction of whiteness, where most people who currently think they're white wouldn't make the cut, including many current proponents of a white ethnostate. Instead, these would be cast out of their promised land.

>> No.14708734

>>14708682
I barely practice English nowadays, and to be frank, I really don't care. Cute way to avoid conceiving any sort of counterargument, by the way.
If you happen to think having a bunch of culturally integrated, 100% anglo fucks in anything but skin color pushing for language neutrality in tongues that have been expressively rich in their own idiosyncrasies for decades isn't expressively cultural colonialism in its biggest form then I don't know what to tell you.
No one that actually speaks Spanish, outside grossly indoctrinated individuals uses the term either way.
>>14708695
Ah, yes, a bunch of gringo academics pushing for their skewed and incredibly out-of-touch politics are bullshitting justification. What else is new?
Do any of them have a Nobel prize in their hands? Because Vargas Llosa does, and he scoffs at the very idea.

>> No.14708741

>>14708726
What the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.14708753

>>14708734
>every Latinx has to accept the term for it to be a Latinx originated term
cope

>> No.14708755

>>14708726
Buddy I mean like 'let's roll back affirmative action' white racial consciousness. Literally not on the table

>> No.14708763

>>14708734
>cultural colonialism
You sound like just the sort of person who uses the term latinx. I also detect a lot of hostility towards white people. How were you wronged by the whites, mijita?

>> No.14708775

>>14708753
>It's totally not the fault of our profit-driven culture with all its individualistic drivel, it doesn't count because they're brown!1
no u
>>14708763
I don't hate white people. I hate their culture.

>> No.14708783

>>14707738
NIGGERS BTFO

>> No.14708784

>>14708775
Your culture has those people too. You can't wish them onto us. They're yours.

>> No.14708795

>>14708582
White people have historically contingent privilege. You don't judge a white person on their race, for instance, even if you judge them in other ways. In effect, they don't have a mark against them in the race category. But privilege is systemic, so even though I may be ostracized for my skin, hair, and eye color by various people in Hawaii, that ostracism means little systemically. This is sort of why I don't like the "you can't be racist against white people" claim. In my mind, you certainly can judge a white person for being white, but that judgement does little when the judge has next to no real political or juridical power. Individual acts of violence borne out of racial animosity can still occur, leading even to my death, but those acts don't exist in a compendium of violent acts I've experienced. Nor are they sanctioned. Privilege, I find, is an oft misrepresented idea.

That said, I don't disagree with your statement. I question the utility of always judging everyone against some kind of threat rubric, but whatever. And I might look askance at equating whole social groups with threat, but women can do this to men and be quite empirically sound doing so. But you're correct, judging a threat and removing someone's rights are different tasks, but that claim doesn't lead logically to "'whites'" have no privilege.

>> No.14708796

>>14708784
Yes, it does, due to globalism. Not the point.
Those people are yours. They live there. They've integrated into your culture. They're a product of your society.

>> No.14708797

>>14708775
German culture? French culture? Canadian culture? Scottish culture? American culture? Polish culture? Greek culture? Dutch culture? Which white culture do you hate? Do you see how you're being intellectually dishonest and you really just don't like white people?

>> No.14708802

>>14708796
Oh, I'm not American though. Never been there.

>> No.14708819

>>14708797
American culture. The frenchies are pretty unbased, too, but they at least did more than enough to make up for it.
>>14708802
Cool. Fine. They're a product of American culture. I thought that was tacit considering I basically spelled it out a number of times.
Why are you so afraid of criticism, even of a culture that's not yours?

>> No.14708821

>>14708670
I disagree that Marxism is a possibility in our particular historical moment, but yes, if you're going to organize your thinking in a Marxist manner, then you should consider class and not race. However, race presents a particularly poignant problem for Marxism. A Marxist would consider an African American millionaire or even billionaire an enemy of class dissolution, and rightly so, but said African American can and will be judged by juridical powers as lowly as a destitute member of his race. In effect, race supersedes class, at least in America. This is part of the reason why I think Marxism will never take greater-than-meme hold in America. Too many white Americans believe, rightly or wrongly, that race is too important to forget amid class struggle.

>> No.14708828

>>14708755
That occurred through SCOTUS action in the academy. The jurisprudence is set. All it takes is a claimant with standing to overturn it elsewhere.

>> No.14708832

>>14708741
If you think that you're white, you're probably very mistaken.

>> No.14708836

>>14708819
So you don't hate white culture. You hate white American culture and people. Do you realize that the world considers Spain white?

>> No.14708838

>>14707797
Mexican here. I hate capeshit.

>> No.14708839

>>14708821
>but said African American can and will be judged by juridical powers as lowly as a destitute member of his race.
Yeah that's why OJ went to jail right. What the fuck are you talking about. The law is basically ignoring huge amounts of violent crime because following through would have 'disparate impact'

>> No.14708842

>>14708797
You named a whole heap of people who aren't white.

>> No.14708848

>>14708839
OJ is one guy. Feel free to keep going, but one case isn't going to support your counterclaim.

>> No.14708850

>>14708521
Latinos is gender neutral already. Heard of this little thing called the Spanish language? Look it up.

>> No.14708856

>>14708836
Yeah, I'll agree I worded that poorly. Nothing else to say there, except an apology.

>> No.14708857

>>14708848
You never even justified your claim to begin with, you just asserted it. Money matters way, way more than race in the judicial system, that is not controversial. And again look at what is happening right fucking now in NYC, that's entirely based on actual policing having disparate impact

>> No.14708861

>>14708848
Why has NYC introduced the no bail system? Is it to save white people from jail time?

>> No.14708871

>>14708819
You only told me once that "Those people are yours." I took that to mean you thought I was American. That's all I was responding to when I said I'm not American. There's nothing more to read into that.

Brown latinx people originated the term. Brown latinx people from your side of the Atlantic. This isn't coming from an emotional place, but a factual one. You don't have to like it. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't come from your people.

>> No.14708876

>>14708850
Then why did they feel the need to create a gender neutral term? I don't speak Spanish, so I wouldn't know.

>> No.14708880

>>14708856
How do you feel about black and latinx American culture? Surely you hate them as well and yourself as better.

>> No.14708889

>>14707855
This so much. I find most post modernists to just be trite crypto-modernists and chauvinists of their own western virtues. As the critique of wetsern culture is largely itself a western phenomina of antithesis, instead of simply trying to agrigate knowledge. I can almost never connect with these types as they have to self flanderize.

>> No.14708932

>>14708871
I'll try being more honest.
I would clearly have an issue with the term regardless of its origin, but my only argument is that said origin is not of any Latin American culture. It's expressly 100% gringo, or at least its source is found on third-wave feminism, which in itself can be said to be a consequence of the gringo's special brand of consumerism.
It's a product of American society. That's all my point is, and you can freely research that yourself (if you want the closest thing you'll get to a solid source, you can start by skimming over the putrid ideas turned into equally disgusting words of Gloria E. Anzaldúa, a woman that can neither speak nor write proper Spanish despite her having her entire idea of self ride over that fact).
I'm of the belief that culture shapes the individual in ways race, by itself, is unable of. I don't consider these people to be anything but petty gringos.

>>14708880
They're all byproducts of the same melting pot.

>> No.14708949

>>14708440
>>14708582
I thinks its easy, natural and right, to order ideas in the realm of generalities or abstract, and particulars.

The only fault is when they are not completely devided.

>>14708795
Pretty much agreed. though I find the term privlege an aggregated, and in itself abstract one. skin color, or more accurately, the perception of class (not specifically economic) difference (i say this as race is an agrigated term, that is skin color plus bodily traits, plus historic perception of a general group) is definitly one of the most proment aspects of immediate judgement. In americ for example, the "averege joe" is seen as white and male, the narritive center. I think in-group and out-group or some other word would be more apropriate then privlege since it implies advantage and a specific optimal, which is only a strong correlative traite rather than a definitive one. probably would make people less adverse to it too.

>> No.14708950

>>14708932
Spaniards don't realize they're not white, do they?

>> No.14708952

>>14707730
This guy is a racist, and the worst thing is that he is convinced that he is fighting against racism.
Everything is fucked up.

[...] did not produce great art and literature, [...] produce art and literature that spoke to other [...], so they all just collectively agreed amongst themselves that it was great.
A lot of it ain't that great.

You can fill it with anything you want.

>> No.14708954

>>14707730
he's right but only because great literature has not been written yet by anyone

>> No.14708955

>>14708932
The way you use gringo is basically when we call you a spic or wetback. So if you're OK with me shitting all over 'spic culture' as long as its not a racial thing then great

>> No.14708961

>>14708795
>, that ostracism means little systemically.
Except in university applications, applying to jobs, and the way the media treats everything you do.

>> No.14708987

>>14708961
You're clearly not American.

>> No.14708999

>>14708987
are you denying the existence of legally sanctioned discrimination against whites and asians in favor of latinos and blacks in universities and the workplace? Not to mention the absolute media shitshow if a white man ever kills a black guy for supposedly racist reasons, while nobody ever hears about blacks kidnapping and torturing and murdering white teenagers and children for explicitly racial reasons.

Is that the America we're talking about you disgusting lying snake?

>> No.14709017

>>14708999
Czech'd.
Sorry, didn't read the post you were responding to and assumed you were
doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing.

>> No.14709025

>>14707756
And coincidentally they're failing to reproduce too.

>> No.14709041

>>14708876
Latino is for men
Latina is for women

The idea that you have to be one or the other is offensive to a certain breed of liberal.

>> No.14709082

>>14708999
I remember reading about a case where a black college athlete was convicted of gang-raping a white girl, pissing on her, and videotaping the outrage. The motive? Revenge for slavery. People in the media complained, they actually complained, that his sentence was too harsh.

Oh, and of course they had a black pastor in the courtroom saying the rapist was a good boy and all that.

>> No.14709133

>>14708629
but statements like these are useful and aren't used anonymously in politics. Whites have been completely demoralized into voting against their racial interests because of how effective statements like these are

>> No.14709136

>>14708726
>White racial consciousness is hardly illegal.
are you ok?

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kinda, I wouldn't say "a lot of it" but some of it for sure
>>14707738
indians, chinese, mediterraneans, egyptians, the previously developed african nations (the ones that sold the slaves)
>>14707756
they hate everyone, retard. Pics related, it's how the japs used to depict whites before they got bombed into submission

>> No.14709176

>>14708504
It's not a novel like Dickens wrote, but it's still literature. A lot of Chinese literature is exactly like that.

>> No.14709353

I'm a woman and these people's minds are intellectually raped. They can only view the world through white is bad, man is bad, white man IS VERY BAD.

They lose all appreciation for works of art because of the race and gender of the creator. They do this to everything, but the irony is they are the ones who are the destroyers of art and literature.

I've seen people complain historical depictions of Jesus are racist because he looks too white. Classic painting of Africa and Asia, yes, racist, because white man bad.

They're ruining musicals. They made an ear-screeching version of Oklahoma last year with a black lead and it was turned into a reflection on "whiteness", gun violence, misogyny, and "settler colonialism. They complain the musical Carousel is "misogynistic". The King and I is of course "orientalist" and Yul Brynner, a man born in Asia of partial Asian descent, was too white to be Thai and this is an example of "white-washing".

Great works of literature are of course too white. Classical music is too white.

Pander to them and they destroy you. Point out the recent examples of Barnes and Noble being shamed for black book covers or the vitriol directed to the white woman who wrote the pro-migrant Mexican book.

These people are cultural vultures and will destroy anything they touch while never creating anything noteworthy of their own.

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>>14707738

>> No.14709413

>>14707961
Same
All of the things they produce is complete non sense garbage that conquer and degrades other cultures in the world

>> No.14709416

>>14707901
I like black music

>> No.14709419

>>14707738
fpbp

>> No.14709450

>>14708288
>low iq
i though low iq people were considere good people since they are unable to do evil? wasn't the 90 to 110 the evil people?

>> No.14709746

>>14707730
Partly yes but it's much more about class than ethnicities or gender.

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>>14707753
>East Asians tended to like our stuff a lot, even to this day.
i noticed the same thing. all the people i know irl that are into classical music, opera, literature, greek philosophy ect are asians. the fellow whites i know irl are bugman consumers that are into nerd or black culture.

>> No.14709945

>>14707816
Hispano American here, latinx sounds fucking horrible and goes against the Spanish language. Please refrein to use that cringe-speak.

>> No.14709951

>>14708521
>>14708563
Suxk my dick and use just Latin then.

>> No.14709999

>>14708693
Based Mahmoud doing the jobs no one else wants to!

>> No.14710030

>>14708828
Nigger get the fuck out of here. You are so fucking dishonest it's ridiculous. Pretty much every fucking application I go for in stem positions coming out of college has some sort of clause where it says "Women, minority gender and minority background candidates preferred" aka fuck white men, and there's not a fucking thing I can do about it because the courts are fucking rigged against white people actually being able to advocate in their interests. There have been dozens of affirmative action admissions cases with white claimants and the only one that has gotten any traction is the one with Asians suing Harvard despite the school having the same fucking admissions strategy for whites for decades now.

>> No.14710044

>>14708832
You have no fucking clue what the hell you're talking about. Fucking Vanguard America accepted anyone who was "over 80% white" and didn't require any fucking genetic testing. There probably will be some sort of balkanization of America because it quite frankly has very little reason to stay together, but if you think that the 100% Bavarian phenotype thing matters to modern white nationalists beyond being a joke you're fucking retarded.

>> No.14710067

>>14709746
Oh shut the fuck up you bourgeois faggot. Go suck some more academic cock with your "well ACHSHUALLY" bullshit. Nobody fucking cares about your bullshit "class antagonism" nonsense (not that anyone actually gives a fuck about gender or ethnic bullshit either). I'll start believing that black/latino people actually give a fuck about representation in literature when black/latino people start fucking actually reading more than whatever is required for their coursework.

>> No.14710069

>>14710030
>aka fuck white men
Outside of the majority of them already occupying the best positions?

>> No.14710084

>>14710067
>when black/latino people start fucking actually reading more than whatever is required for their coursework
Are you really going to pretend most whites do that?

>> No.14710096

>>14710069
You've never been to a fucking engineering/technology company have you? The only white men there are in their 60s. Everyone younger than that is either Asian (East or Subcontinental) or a woman. Even if your assumption was true, who the fuck cares that's not grounds to openly racially discriminate in your fucking practice. The young white men coming out of stem schools today have fucking nothing to gain from the fact that there was a different culture surrounding race 20-40 years ago when most of these people you're talking about were hired.

>> No.14710111

>>14710084
A fuck ton more white people do than blacks/Latinos. I know more Latinos who have literally never read a book as an adult than the other way around and I fucking married into a very culturally latino castizo family. Go to a fucking book club at a random liberal book store, it's always whites and asians. These white women read more black authors than fucking black people.

>> No.14710156

>>14710111
Next you'll be saying drugged up housewives are to blame for midwit culture.

>> No.14710220

>>14710096
>Everyone younger than that is either Asian (East or Subcontinental) or a woman.
Not in the relevant positions.
>The young white men coming out of stem schools today have fucking nothing to gain from the fact that there was a different culture surrounding race 20-40 years ago when most of these people you're talking about were hired.
And they still have a much better chance to get hired, it's just less guaranteed anymore. Though I generally don't know too many people who have any struggles to get tired for tech or engineering. If you're somewhat competent and not a total sperg, the jobs are thrown at you.

>>14710111
>I know more Latinos who have literally never read a book as an adult than the other way around
If you talk about the general population, obviously. They tend to be more poor and poor people rarely read outside of Jews and East Asians. In college it's pretty balanced, at least based on my experience and from my friends. No clue whether there are actual statistics.

>> No.14710257

>>14708585
Black, white, Central American mestizo/Indio/criollo, Asian, it doesn’t matter. They’re all American. American Blacks are not satisfied with that, they want to be THE blacks. They want to represent Africa, South America, and European Blacks. Fifth generation latinos want to speak for Costan Ricans, Peruvians, Mexicans and Brazilians. Minnesota-born Pajeets want to lecture actual Indians on Indianess. American culture is the real blight of the world.

>> No.14710337

>>14710069
Jesus Christ. Bringing others down to attain positions is not justice, it is racial pettiness.

>> No.14710381

>>14710337
It's less about bringing anyone down and more about trying to create an even playing field when the shit is stacked about everyone else. A white male boss surrounded by other white males in his work and private life is simply much more likely to hire another white male due the familiarity; before even touching different stereotypes.
That'd lead to more white males in positions of power who'd push more white men in such position, further establishing the mess, which is going to be tricky to solve without external help because that's how our dumbass brains tend to work.

It's not like it's some evil white male trait, good luck getting hired at a Chinese restaurant as a non chink.

>> No.14710540

>>14710220
There are actual statistics done by PIAAC. Their last report was in 2017 and both the highlights and full report are available for free on their website. The average college graduate black American reads at a similar level to white 9th graders. The average black adult in general reads at a level similar to white 5th graders. There are plenty of intelligent and capable black/brown individuals at colleges and professional associations, but average differences really matter when you're talking about proportion of the population that is capable out outlier accomplishments.

>> No.14710547

>>14710220
You are completely out of touch with reality. Both through explicit legal coercion and through corporate culture, women and ethnic foreigners are more likely to be hired all other things being equal.

>> No.14710636

>>14710540
Are there any numbers outside of Burgerstan? Would be pretty interesting to see whether the culture has a significant effect.

>>14710547
The only fields that have more women and ethnic foreigners tend to be low wage horror shows. Check the numbers at any company where people actually want to work, even when they inflate their stats of minorities by including crappy positions, it is in no way balanced when it comes to gender. With ethnicities it's a bit more representative of the population and skiving towards AZNs to be fair but women are utterly fucked in any scenario.

https://www.apple.com/diversity/
https://diversity.google/annual-report/

>> No.14710657

>>14710381
Immigration and diversity is a fuckinh mistake

>> No.14710672

>>14707846
Borges was whiter than the majority of /pol/. The rest are a mixture of several things.

>> No.14710684

>>14708876
Because trannys get offended when there's no "gender neutral" bullshit in a language.

>> No.14710688

>>14710381
The problem that arises is that people lament this so-called "systematic racism" -- though, it tends to only be in one direction -- and the "solution" to this is... systematic racism, i.e. placing the onus on race in hiring to "solve" the "issue" of racial-based hiring.

>> No.14710985

>>14710636
If there are numbers outside of America it would probably be by country. I would imagine that actual African ethnicity would be significantly more important than anything easily attributable to the environmental portions of culture. For example if you surveyed Igbo Nigerians in England you're probably going to get much higher literacy scaling with education than Yoruba/Bantu Nigerians in France or something like that. The problem of racialized separation and real results in countries without large historical descendent of African slave populations is that they tend to be self-selecting for the proportion of a population capable of modern migration than a true "average" approximate for the genetic group.

>> No.14711133

>>14707863
No they aren’t.

>> No.14711141

No, this dumb virtue signaling twitter buffoon is not right.

>> No.14711161

>>14707730
From now on if I see this kind of shit I’m just going to respond “please stop being racist” if they try to say that bullshit of racism being power and prejudice then I’ll just say the same thing.

>> No.14711277

>>14707863
Real niggas hate the term pock.

>> No.14711355

>>14710636
You realize the site that you linked for apple literally says that 53% of new hires in the last five years have been women or ethnic minorities. You're literally saying that the only fields where new hires tend to be women and ethnic foreigners tend to be horror shows while linking a well paying high benefits tech company that a majority of their hires are women and ethnic minorities.

>> No.14711452

>>14707869

Go do it then. You have his Twitter handle, what’s stopping you? Own him.

>> No.14711463

>>14711355
>53% of new hires in the last five years have been women or ethnic minorities
The 53% is for underrepresented ethnic minorities, which also affects the number of hired Asians not just whites.
The number for new women is still 38% and BOTH numbers are for all positions in the company, so probably more latino cleaning ladies or negros for the cafeteria.

In the TECH sector only, it's 23-77 females and 49-35-26 for whites, asians, rest. Leadership is even more white.

>> No.14711477

>>14711161
if they say the whole "racism is prejudice plus power" say "Rather than blaming a black person for shouting racist obscenities at a white person, you blame the white person? nice victim blaming"

>> No.14711482

>>14707882
Who hold the power in a scenario when a black man throws obscenities at a white man? If you say the white person, you're victim blaming.

>> No.14711591

>>14711463
Yeah, and only 1 in 15 Electrical Engineering or Computer Science majors are women yet they still make up 23% of tech employees. If you look at enrolled computer science and electrical engineering majors among non-asian minorities you'll see that they're over represented in the tech sector of apple as well.

>> No.14711919

>>14711591
>and only 1 in 15 Electrical Engineering or Computer Science majors are women yet they still make up 23% of tech employees
And most were employed before anyone cared about diversity, so it's not like they benefited from shit. Imagine how dedicated they had to be to go for a dickfest major.

>you'll see that they're over represented in the tech sector
They are generally over-represented in universities too. Partly due stereotypes, partly due culture obsessing over education.

>> No.14711946

>>14708693
based

>> No.14711972

>>14709161
depicted whites as jews kek

>> No.14712172

>>14707738
dare i say based and rpilled

>> No.14712202

>>14707738
/thread

>> No.14712221

>>14708838
Our people are dead my friend, it's all over. Just survive.

>> No.14712235

>>14710381
>trying to create an even playing field
by ltierally fucking discriminating against white and asian men? That is creating an 'even playing field'? You're a fucking liar

also the nepotism you're saying exists is precisely what nobody is allowed to say about Jews. If it applies to whites then it applies to Jews as well.

>> No.14712268

>>14708795
>White people have historically contingent privilege.
By "white" do you mean European? And if so, do you mean "all Europeans"? By "historically" do you mean "all of history" or are you referring to a period in specific? And where else on this planet, historically, has this been the case? Are you aware that this planet has other continents other than Europe and America?

>You don't judge a white person on their race, for instance
Yes I do. For instance, if they're white and over the age of 50, chances are I won't appreciate anything they have to say.

>real political or juridical power
In no way shape or form does political theatrics play a role in my daily life. I don't watch television or frequent /pol/.

>I question the utility of always judging everyone against some kind of threat rubric
I consider it a primary natural instinct.

>I might look askance at equating whole social groups with threat, but women can do this to men and be quite empirically sound doing so.

This is my point. It's not very probably that I'll be hassled by a group of women, but males aged from 17-35 are a much higher potential thread. Depending on if they're in a large group is another potential threat. Their style of clothing, largely based on economic standing, is also a potential threat.

>> No.14712288

>>14708795
>women can do this to men
Depends on their races. Black women can't do it to asian men because they commit more crime.

>> No.14712309

>>14707730
Do people like this want to pretend that all the literature from before the 20th century doesn't exist

>> No.14712354

>>14708838
No nigga he means ch*canos

>> No.14712399

>>14711919
You're retarded. That 23% comes from Apple's new hire data in 2018. 23% of tech new hires at apple in 2018 were women despite less than 7% of electrical engineering or computer science/engineering students being women. That is a massively disproportionate hiring rate relative to the field unless women just tend to be 3x as competent within the field as their male counterparts and can be very easily attributable to the direct efforts to benefit the hiring prospects of women in tech at the expense of their male competition.

>> No.14712411

>>14709161
>indians, chinese, mediterraneans, egyptians, the previously developed african nations (the ones that sold the slaves)
Why would they read literature by people they're not even aware exist and don't speak their languages?

>> No.14712506

>>14712354
fuck off nigger

>> No.14712588

>>14707753
>our stuff

>> No.14712865

>>14707738
oh shit

>> No.14713119

>>14708857
>Money matters way, way more than race in the judicial system
And certain races are in inherently better positions to have that money readily available due to historical and prejudicial factors that can tie into race.