/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14693433]

Traditionalist conservatives like Roger Scruton are the only groups of people I see still talking about things like literature and art in the modern day. Why are they the only group of people who do? I follow a lot of people on twitter and the tradcon people are posting pages and having discussions about literature, art, philosophy, urbanism etc. while everyone else is just posting memes and one liner woke leftist tweets. I'm a leftist myself but it's sad to see the state we are in. How can we change this?

[Anonymous No.14693528]

>>14693433
Stop using twitter.

[Anonymous No.14693544]

>>14693528
What do I use

[Anonymous No.14693611]

They are not. It is just a self-selection effect. Examples are people like Terry Eagleton.

[Anonymous No.14693633]

>>14693611
Picking out people means nothing when you're talking about the entire group.

[Anonymous No.14693669]

>>14693433
This society doesn't allow for art.
This society doesn't allow for an understanding of art.
The problems and solutions all stem from these basic facts.

[Anonymous No.14693819]

>>14693544
Read books

[Anonymous No.14693833]

>>14693819
Everyone needs community

[Anonymous No.14693841]

>>14693433
Traditionalism is the only ideology which cares about beauty, because beauty it's something that links us with the Divine.

[Anonymous No.14693845]

Read actual aesthetics and philosophy of art. It is usually neutral and not affliated with any particular political view. Even Scruton's has feature of that. Try E.G Collingwood, Arthur Danto, Nelson Goodman, Kant.

[Anonymous No.14693864]

>>14693845
Again that's meaningless when we are talking about how the common leftist is today which is uncultured.

[Anonymous No.14693933]

>>14693864

We can't assume just because trads focus on old art they actually understand art or aesthetics. Much less make actual arguments for what is good art or what is art.They just have a focus on the political connotations of it. If you will the superficial social understanding of it.

[Anonymous No.14693945]

>>14693933
>We can't assume just because trads focus on old art they actually understand art or aesthetics. Much less make actual arguments for what is good art or what is art.They just have a focus on the political connotations of it. If you will the superficial social understanding of it.
I mean they have conversations about it and talk about works of aesthetic philosophy so I have no reason to believe otherwise unless you know something I don't.

[Anonymous No.14693949]

>>14693845
>E.G Collingwood, Arthur Danto, Nelson Goodman, Kant.
No.

[Anonymous No.14693968]

Marxists are some of the biggest critics of art under capitalism

[Anonymous No.14693994]

>>14693968
Not today

[Anonymous No.14694000]

>>14693994
Why? What's changed. Mark Fisher is more recent

[Anonymous No.14694019]

>>14694000
No idea what changed but the common leftist today is uncultured.

[Anonymous No.14694023]

>>14693968
(((Marxists))) being the (((critics))) is how (((art))) became this way

[Anonymous No.14694037]

>>14694019
That's probably because you group liberals in with leftists

>>14694023
Marxism is the polar opposite of post modernism you dumb paranoid schizo

[Anonymous No.14694074]

>>14694037
>Marxism is the polar opposite of post modernism you dumb paranoid schizo
As Wolfe goes over in the books the people who are the cause of the decline of art are all socialists. He does the same in Bauhaus where he talks about how all those ugly buildings architects were making was because it was anti-bourgeois architecture

[Anonymous No.14694082]

>>14694037
>That's probably because you group liberals in with leftists
I'm not. I already told you I'm a leftist myself if you read the op

[Anonymous No.14694111]

>>14694082
Then who are these common leftists you are talking about. Can you name some of them

>>14694074
Bauhaus wasn't a marxist movement. Can you name some of these people that ruined art

[Anonymous No.14694116]

>>14694074
This assumes a normative concept of art already. The question is why should we see it as decline? Why is Brutalism not a positive movement or just neutral? There is a lot of metaphysics of art assumed in that statement.

[Anonymous No.14694151]

>>14694116
>This assumes a normative concept of art already. The question is why should we see it as decline? Why is Brutalism not a positive movement or just neutral? There is a lot of metaphysics of art assumed in that statement.
You just showed yourself to be one of them lol thanks for proving me right

[Anonymous No.14694182]

>>14694111
I follow hundreds of them on twitter from every group imaginable. All of them are the same.

>Bauhaus wasn't a marxist movement. Can you name some of these people that ruined art
Read the book. It's academic approved and goes over the entire movement.

[Anonymous No.14694238]

>>14694182
>I follow hundreds of them on twitter
literally why

[Anonymous No.14694248]

>>14694238
I'm a leftist I like to keep updates on the community

[Anonymous No.14694251]

WTF bros, I thought you told me traditionalists wanted to save art

[Anonymous No.14694276]

>>14694238
Leftism exists mostly on twitter now

[Anonymous No.14694298]

>>14694248
Fans of something aren't always the best representation of a thing. There are a million different brands of "leftism" as well and a lot of them hate each other

[Anonymous No.14694300]

>>14694251
Not the same Traditionalists retard

[Anonymous No.14694304]

>>14694300
Not the same leftist retard.

[Anonymous No.14694306]

>>14694298
I told you I follow all of them.

[Anonymous No.14694312]

>>14694304
what

[Anonymous No.14694322]

>>14694306
Try Jacques Ranciere's The Politics of Aesthetics. It is an example of contemporary post-marxist leftist aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.14694328]

>>14694322
How many times do I have to tell you I'm talking about the entire movement as a whole. Just because there are some professors who are cultured doesn't mean the majority of leftists are. They aren't.

[Anonymous No.14694333]

>>14694312
If you can group all the left into one view then Traditionalists can also be grouped into one

[Anonymous No.14694351]

>>14694333
I'm not grouping them all into one I'm saying every single group individually is uncultured and unless you can provide me with a large group of leftists that are cultured but I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.14694406]

Lots of people discuss art.

[Anonymous No.14694424]

Twitter is the modern agora