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[Anonymous No.14668310]

Has Christianity, dare I say it, been defeated?

[Anonymous No.14668321]

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father; through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And he was made flesh by the Holy Spirit from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; suffered, and was buried. On the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.
And He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and of His kingdom there shall be no end.

[Anonymous No.14668367]

>>14668310
Refuted by Guenon ex post facto

[Anonymous No.14668523]

No

[Anonymous No.14668534]

>>14668310
20 years from now the atheist left will be considered even more cringe than the guillotines of france. good chance they all end up in jail even .... society isn't going to tolerate this garbage like pumping kids full of hormones or chopping their genitalia up for long

[Anonymous No.14668562]

>>14668321
based

[Anonymous No.14668784]

For all intents and purposes, yes.
Not like deus vultures will ever admit to it.

[Anonymous No.14668993]

>>14668310
Christianity was defeated 200 years ago with the advent of historical criticism.

Ehrman's just bringing long held academic conclusions to the masses.

[Anonymous No.14669001]

>>14668993
This.

But it doesn’t matter. People will believe in whatever they want.

[Anonymous No.14669037]

Hahahahaha hahahahaha holy shit imagine being such a smooth brained square stacker that you think ‘apocolyptic prophet of the new millenium’ is a valid thesis even within the JEWed academic world of New Testament studies. I could critique new questers all fucking day but Ehrman was obliterated within a year and made irrelevant except as a pop science tier controversy peddler.

Aside from his decent text book and the one criticizing Jesus of Nazareth deniers his entire bibliography is nothing more than edginess for the sake of selling books to redditors.

I’m b it even meaning. This hack isn’t relevant in his own academic circle, which by the way, is nothing but Jews creating polemics against Christ under the guise of academic approach. The criteria They use are nothing more than cherry picking devices.

The proof of this is that there is more ‘historical evidence’ that Christ was seen after his death than that Caesar was murdered.

Is that proof that Christ rose from the dead? No. It shows how braindead you would be to take these people seriosuly because using their ‘criteria for historicity’ the entire Ancient history is forged not just the Christ they despise and hate.

[Anonymous No.14669184]

>>14668321
But will not Christ hand over the kingdom to the Father? How does Orthodoxy walk away from Paul's statement?

[Anonymous No.14669188]

>>14668310
>defeated
Define defeated

[Anonymous No.14669197]

>>14668310
Christianity has been defeated by prosperity. When the West collapses and/or makes Christianity illegal, expect a strong return to form.

[Anonymous No.14669198]

>>14668321
Absolutely blessed. ty anon.

[Anonymous No.14669210]

>>14668993
>believing in historical criticism which literally can't make up it's mind about anything and exclusively gets off on the novelty of 'groundbreaking new research which will force us to read these texts in a whole new light with entirely different conclusions!!!.'
Yeah, I'd really rather not

[Anonymous No.14669225]

Egghead

[Anonymous No.14669238]

>>14668310
Eyes betray despair. Not melancholy of enlightened or resignation of men out of time, rather, increasing noetic non-experience of being. nigga lives in hell.

[Anonymous No.14669356]

>>14669197
Made me think

[Anonymous No.14669364]

>>14668321
baste

[Anonymous No.14669580]

>>14669210
It's been pretty consistent with its portrait of the historical Jesus as an apocalyptic preacher who expected the end to come in his lifetime.

[Anonymous No.14669594]

>>14668993
God, imagine being a social scientist. I actually feel really bad for them.

[Anonymous No.14669598]

>>14668321
>>14669198
>>14669210
Signaling, in-group reinforcement, cope

[Anonymous No.14669606]

>>14669197
True. Too easy and cheap to get a dopamaine rush for the plebs to bother with anything higher thinking

[Anonymous No.14669617]

>>14669598
>in-group reinforcement
Based.

[Anonymous No.14669627]

>>14668321
>>14668562

[Anonymous No.14669816]

>>14668993
Literally not true nobody holds Erhmans views

[Anonymous No.14669824]

>>14668321
Based and bread pilled

>>14669598
Cringe and Reddit pilled

[Anonymous No.14669826]

>>14668321
say the other 3 creeds

[Anonymous No.14669882]

>>14669580
I'm referring to critical issues more than the interpretation of what the text says. (I realize that these can only be separated so far) The fact that my professors pass of their contradictory opinions on Q source, documentary hypothesis etc as factual and standard in the field really gets annoying after a while. I'd rather study ecclesiastical history and dogmatics but criticism is mandatory for my degree.

[Anonymous No.14669892]

>>14668310
Christianity is for faggots and has-beens. Real men are into skepticism and Bayesianism. If you're a Christian you're in the intellectual stone age. Because you're too much of a pussy to stare into the abyss of truth, you cling to pleasant lies.

[Anonymous No.14669897]

>>14668534
>if you're not a Christian you believe in tranny faggotry

Not true anon. You can believe in gender bimodalism as a scientific thinker. What, you let Bill Nye dictate what you think of scientists? You retard. You ignoramus. You buffoon.

[Anonymous No.14669905]

>>14669210
I have never met a Christian who actually knew anything about the development of the Christian church. Every one who tries to understand the history of Christianity ends up deconverted.

Cling to your faith, faggot. I know it's all you have, because you're short on arguments.

[Anonymous No.14669909]

I subscribed to this guys blog for a while while I was at moody and it was always a fun read. He doesn't take himself seriously and he doesnt have any vitrol for christianity, it actually seems like he "wishes" he could believe. It was his life and social circle for years and when he lost his faith he lost alot of his life.

[Anonymous No.14669913]

>>14669892
Pleasant lies like “nothing I do matters so I should just get to coom whenever I want and never suffer”? Pleasant lies like that FAGGOT?

[Anonymous No.14669918]

>>14669037
>The proof of this is that there is more ‘historical evidence’ that Christ was seen after his death than that Caesar was murdered.
>says this without a hunt of irony
>claims its manufactured academia to attack christianity

Wew lad, everything you believe is manufactured.

[Anonymous No.14669923]

>>14669824
Theres only one way to get bread spilled and it ain't through christianity

[Anonymous No.14669924]

>>14669905
Who gives a shit who you've met or not. Many of the great modern Church historians have been faithful Christians. Spend some time with people who aren't retards and you might learn something.

[Anonymous No.14669925]

>>14669598
based

[Anonymous No.14669929]

>>14669913
Cringe

Try reading a book for once nigger. One that's not just apologetics.

[Anonymous No.14669932]

>>14669598
you're a faggot. say something worth responding to

[Anonymous No.14669934]

>>14669924
Church historians who believe = dishonest manipulation of the facts.

[Anonymous No.14669940]

>>14669913
cringe

[Anonymous No.14669941]

>>14668310

Nope. Next comes the Christian revival because people are tired of fags and trannies and rap music proting violence, sex and murder. the silent conservative majority is true.
i know literal criminals turning from their ways because the world is getting so sick that being a bad guy is no longer a form of rebellion, becoming a christian is rebellion now.
my orthodox church is blowing up with anti fag, anti semite, pro family, pro trad value millenial and zoomers.

[Anonymous No.14669948]

>>14669941
>Nope. Next comes the Christian revival because people are tired of fags and trannies and rap music proting violence, sex and murder. the silent conservative majority is true.
Or a new wave of Nazism.

[Anonymous No.14669951]

>>14669941
>my orthodox church is blowing up with anti fag, anti semite, pro family, pro trad value millenial and zoomers.
Is that before or after you drink vodka and beat your wife, Ivan?

[Anonymous No.14669961]

>>14669905
you mean uyouve met a lot of former prots and papist who think it all started with the roman church and its grab for power. Any one who has an actual understanding ends up at an orthodox church

[Anonymous No.14669963]

>>14669941
>anti fag, anti semite, pro family, pro trad value
>implying that has anything to do with believing in a sky daddy and denying science
your christian revival is exactly as you described it - rebellious, contrarian and insincere COPE.

[Anonymous No.14669964]

>>14669934
If this is your idea of a dishonest manipulator, YOU ARE A HALFWIT

[Anonymous No.14669975]

>>14669951
Im actually a amerindian who didnt want to be a christian but studied dozens of religions, history and politics and ended up at an orthodox church/

[Anonymous No.14669977]

>>14669941
>my orthodox church is blowing up with anti fag, anti semite, pro family, pro trad value millenial and zoomers.
based

[Anonymous No.14669988]

>>14669963
we acknowledghe the truth of God's laws and see where atheism?secularism has taken society. The fact people revert to behaving like the pagans of the OT is enough for us to see there is a divine order that was gifted to us through God, his laws and then through Christ.

[Anonymous No.14669998]

>>14669988
the best part is that they already know it subconsciously.
>They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
the absolute cope coming from the antichristian faggots in this thread might as well prove our point

[Anonymous No.14670015]

>>14669964
Christianity is a religion of sneaks and liars. No Christian is ever fully honest about their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.14670019]

>>14669941
based and orthodox pilled

[Anonymous No.14670027]

>>14670015
Is this seriously the best argument you have
>reee I dont trust you, Christians are always sneaky reeee
C O P E

[Anonymous No.14670030]

>>14669998
>God is in my head whether I want him to be there or not
fuck this shit, get out of my brain until I'm ready, fucking fag. Fuck GOd why try in believe something that's not fucking there, I'm never going to really believe fuck you god fuck heaven fuck hell hope when I die it's just eternal unconscious oblivion. fuck your heaven and Jesus Christ, fuck ever thinking that you made this world, fuck trying to not think about you cause you're supposedly in my head ALL THE FUCKING TIME. fuck acid fuck weed fuck schizophrenia and bipolar fuck you

[Anonymous No.14670050]

>>14670027
Yeah you can be an obnoxious faggot all you want, but you'll never see a Christian "scholar" come to any conclusion which doubts the absolute veracity of the bible. That's because they're dishonest.

[Anonymous No.14670056]

>>14669975
Poo in the street and gang rape a woman then, Pajeet.

[Anonymous No.14670061]

>>14670050
>if the scholars don't constantly revise and contradict each other, they must be lying! It couldn't possible be that Christianity is true!
C O P E

[Anonymous No.14670069]

>>14670050
literally the highest ranking professor of history at one of the most prestigious universities in the world.
>oh but he couldn't be a 'real' scholar because the real scholars agree with me
you're a retard

[Anonymous No.14670071]

>>14670056
are you literally retarded? you equate amerindian to a pajeet? thats pants on head levels of retarded but I forgive you. I am a native american of the yaqui peoples.

[Anonymous No.14670079]

>>14670071
What do you think of Native Alaskan Orthodoxy?

[Anonymous No.14670089]

>>14670069
>argument from authority
die

[Anonymous No.14670098]

>>14670079
its based. The orthodox peacefully spread true religion unlike the history of papists and natives, not all papist converted amerindians forcefully though, but it happened. As far as i know the russians recognized the alaskan natives sovereignty.

[Anonymous No.14670099]

>>14670089
>Christians aren't real scholars
>Stop appealing to the research of scholars
which is it, genius

[Anonymous No.14670117]

>>14669892
>Christianity is for faggots and has-beens. Real men are into skepticism and Bayesianism. If you're a Christian you're in the intellectual stone age. Because you're too much of a pussy to stare into the abyss of truth, you cling to pleasant lies.

[Anonymous No.14670126]

>>14669892
Retroactively DEMOLISHED by Saint Thomas Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.14670139]

>>14669892
Cringe.
>>14670126
Based!

[Anonymous No.14670173]

>>14668993
>thinking history is an exact science
There is no unbiased history. All that remains is the faith on whom to believe.

[Anonymous No.14670174]

>>14669816
Name one of Ehrman's views that aren't mainstream.

[Anonymous No.14670229]

>>14668310
All that Ehrman proves is that ultra-literalist fundamentalist readings of the Bible are wrong. But if you're more nuanced in your approach, like any great Catholic or Protestant exegete is, then the Bible still stands.

[Anonymous No.14670354]

>>14670229
>But if you're more nuanced in your approach, like any great Catholic or Protestant exegete is, then the Bible still stands.
These are the people getting BTFO the most by Ehrman & co. though. The biggest accomplishment of historical criticism was discarding all the centuries of spiritualization & cope by those exegetes and uncovering the original meaning and context of the texts.

[Anonymous No.14670491]

>>14670061
>if the scholars don't constantly revise and contradict each other, they must be lying!
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14670520]

>>14670354
The original context only illumines the spiritual meaning more.

[Anonymous No.14670760]

>>14670520
Illuminate, yeah, but not exactly in a favorable light. For example, you can see the spiritualization of the Kingdom of God as a reaction to Jesus's prophecies failing to materialize.

[Anonymous No.14670813]

>>14670760
>For example, you can see the spiritualization of the Kingdom of God as a reaction to Jesus's prophecies failing to materialize
The Kingdom of God and the end of the world are two separate issues. Obviously the Kingdom of God is a spiritual reality (citizenship of Heaven, to be precise), which comes into fullness at the end of time. Jesus' prophecies don't make sense without the Kingdom also being a spiritual reality.

[Anonymous No.14670822]

>>14668310
>This family name is a patronymic surname based on a male ancestor's personal name, in this case of biblical origin. Ehrmann, Ehrman and Erman, derived from the noun Ehre, that is "honesty/honor", mean "man of honor/honesty" in German. As Jewish surnames, they are variants of the Hebrew Aaron/Aharon.

[Anonymous No.14670870]

>>14668321
Thank you anon, I needed this. My faith has been winding down.

[Anonymous No.14670905]

>>14670030
Let's talk, I'm here for you.

[Anonymous No.14671206]

>>14668993
>the advent of historical criticism.
100 years ago we people didn't believe in HOmer lmfao

[Anonymous No.14671223]

>>14670354
>The biggest accomplishment of historical criticism
historical criticism accomplished basically nothing from the apostolic point of view and is just a result of protestant dependence on scripture

[Anonymous No.14671260]

>>14668310
>same screwballs who thought Troy wasn't real want me to believe that Jesus isn't real

I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.14671265]

>>14671260

Ehrman wrote a book against Jesus mythicism, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.14671419]

>>14669913
>coom
why are christfags so obsessed with dudes ejaculating?

[Anonymous No.14671435]

>>14670229
This is always the New Atheist move. It reminds me when you go to some shithole country like Belgium and the liberals and conservatives get drunk and both argue about conspiracy theories instead of real politics.

[Anonymous No.14671439]

>>14668310
>>14668321
Ignorance can never be defeated.

[Anonymous No.14671574]

>>14670822
he was literally raised as an evangelical in the bible belt you retard

[Anonymous No.14671598]

>>14668310
Idk who that is but the answer is Yes, except for the majority of the species that still holds christian beliefs

The problem of religion is real. Christianity can guide us but it will never be a monopolizer of the divine insofar as the critical fields of multivaried academics continue to grow as they are currently.

[Anonymous No.14671842]

>>14669598
>Signaling, in-group reinforcement, cope

LOL

Daily reminder that Jesus is the silver bullet that kills Clown World

[JN !!vXXhA/qzhjm No.14671875]

>>14668310
>Has Christianity, dare I say it, been defeated?
I dunno LOL

[Anonymous No.14672118]

>>14671875
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.14672307]

>>14668321
I believe in the holy spirit, the holy Catholic church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the dead and the life everlasting

[Anonymous No.14672350]

>>14670491
>implying they don't
>implying it even matters that they have contradictions, as if their "findings" are above the accounts of the Bible

[Anonymous No.14672353]

>god is not real, because no proof

Have atheist ever come up with a different argument than this one?

[Anonymous No.14672356]

>>14668321
Amen.

[Anonymous No.14672364]

>>14668321
Amen.

[Anonymous No.14672379]

>>14668321
Amen.

[Anonymous No.14672612]

>>14668310
nobody cares about him besides muslim apologists

[Anonymous No.14672913]

>>14672350
>as if their "findings" are above the accounts of the Bible
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14673286]

>>14672353
This is a literature board, illiterates like you don’t belong here

[Anonymous No.14673307]

>>14668310
>this one guy who happens to fit atheist beliefs is better then all other biblical scholars.

[Anonymous No.14673479]

>>14673307
Have you read any other biblical scholars besides Ehrman? You'll hear the same things from most of them.

[Anonymous No.14673484]

>>14673479
gib examples pls

[Anonymous No.14673516]

>>14673484
Maurice Casey, Dale C. Allison, Paula Fredriksen, Robert J. Miller, E.P. Sanders

[Anonymous No.14673520]

>>14668321
Amen

[Anonymous No.14673522]

>>14668321
Amen

[Anonymous No.14673607]

>>14673516
Thanks

[Anonymous No.14674014]

>>14668321
Amen

[Anonymous No.14674369]

>>14668321
FPBP

[Anonymous No.14674437]

>>14669037
>jews are conspiring to disprove muh bible
Take your meds schizo. Irrelevant of what historians claim, the Bible doesn't even agree with itself, it's all over the place.

[Anonymous No.14674438]

Christianity refutes itself

[Anonymous No.14674530]

When Christianity is defeated the apocalypse happens.

[Anonymous No.14674534]

>>14673286
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.14674751]

>>14668321
this triggers the lapsed catholic.

[Anonymous No.14674760]

you can't refute love, my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[Anonymous No.14674804]

Christianity is as it always has been; an indiscriminately assimilating force by which to apprehend and conscribe the orders of the entire world under one stupid, ignorant, deceitful rule. It finds its basis in the corrupt spirit god of the cast-out desert semites, of which the rest of the semites were loathe to accept. it was because of the vanity and jealousy of this one desert god that these people found as oil to water an inability to adapt to their societies, unknowingly due to the corrupt secret inhuman practices of their elders. in all fairness, these people were as like unto any other, with bodies and desires and hopes and dreams, except all of it was ultimately fed upon by their god and reduced to nothing but the propagation of his name(s).now the system is rampant among the most prominent institution in the established world. we are all being made to reckon to this inferior god. But he is nothing more than a filtter. He will pass and with him everything he managed to catch in his brief moment of action. Go with him, if you must. I shouldn't like one such as you here.

[Anonymous No.14674982]

>>14674760
Christianity isn't about love, you post-liberal neo-anglican heretic.

[Anonymous No.14675031]

>>14671875
The Protestant reformation and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>14673286
He’s correct though, that line of reasoning leads to agnosticism, not to atheism.

[Anonymous No.14675050]

I go through the motions of church and prayer and take parts of christian doctrine seriously, because the positive atmosphere and energy created in those communities is not replicated anywhere else. I can't literally believe in God though.

I think ultimately what religions mostly get right and what fedora atheists mostly get wrong is the need for transcendence of ethical principles and epistemic humility in the face of a world that is far too complex for us to ever truly grasp.

When something happens in the world, religious people will say it's God, while if you are an egotistical type of atheist you might be tempted to think that just because there exists a rational explanation that it's somehow accessible or even comprehensible. The wiser religious people often end up more correct in dealing with complicated matters of societal and ethical organization because they carry a sense of aw that clears their mind of excessive and erroneous rationalizing.

[Anonymous No.14675107]

>>14675050
>that clears their mind of excessive and erroneous rationalizing
except when it comes to defending the Bible

[Anonymous No.14675262]

>>14675107
So? It's not like it's relevant whether the bible is correct or not in most worldly matters.

Christians still use modern technology, and go see doctors when their sick instead of relying first completely on God. And nobody follows the Bible to the letter anyway.

They tend to invoke God mostly in situations of great doubt and uncertainty, as a placeholder to humble one's mind and conserve mental resources for those problems they can solve. An atheist might attempt to use reason and logic when faced with doubt which is doomed to fail at some point because it presupposes that we are capable of reasoning about everything.

[Anonymous No.14675578]

>>14675050
>I go through the motions of church and prayer
>I can't literally believe in God though.
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.14676814]

>>14669918
im rolling my eyes man. You havn't got as ingle clue other than AHTEISM IS TRUe.

read afew books fag.

>>14674437
The bible was written over several decades acrosst he roman empire. No shit its not perfect. Hilariously if you had a half a fucking brain you'd realize this acutally makes it more likely to be true. But you are just some retard atheist.

ALso, i'm literally right on the Jews. Start with Paula Fredrickson and start digging through the big names in the field.

[Anonymous No.14676849]

>>14668321
Amen

[Anonymous No.14676967]

>>14671574
>raised as an evangelical in the bible belt
I though he was raised Methodist and later became a fundamentalist evangelical.

[Anonymous No.14677227]

>>14668321
Based, Amen.

[Anonymous No.14677479]

>>14676814
>The bible was written over several decades acrosst he roman empire. No shit its not perfect. Hilariously if you had a half a fucking brain you'd realize this acutally makes it more likely to be true.
No, it just makes it more likely for whatever few oral traditions were written down to have been massively distorted, and for the rest of the narrative to just have been plain made up out of thin air as each author saw fit.
Which makes it close to entirely worthless.

[Anonymous No.14677502]

>>14676814
And calling people Jews is not in any way, shape or form a refutation of the arguments they bring forward.
Anyway, the vast majority of Bible scholars are Christian, so not like it matters.

[Anonymous No.14677505]

>>14668310
Refuted exhaustively by Richard Carrier.

[Anonymous No.14677514]

Ehrman is a moron who believes in the historicity of Jesus.

[Anonymous No.14678089]

>>14668321
Amen

[Anonymous No.14679417]

>>14676814
Take your seroquel, sweetie.