Nick Land

[Anonymous No.14661491]

Help a midwit out, I don't understand a damn of what this nigga's sayin. Someone plz explain in common language what his point is

[Anonymous No.14661494]

To accelerate

[Anonymous No.14661500]

>>14661491
Read Guenon (pbuh) instead.

[Anonymous No.14661505]

what does Scaruffi think of Land?

[Anonymous No.14662180]

>>14661505
The fact that so many memes still name Nick Lands as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" philosopher ever only tells you how far edgy memes still is from becoming funny.

[Anonymous No.14662310]

just read Xenosystems

[Anonymous No.14662327]

>>14662310
>just read Xenofeminism

[Anonymous No.14662335]

>>14662327
>just eat cardboard

[Anonymous No.14662382]

>>14661491
Here's what I understand of it.
He did a lot of meth in the 90's and stopped believing in linear time. This led to a series of lectures in which he would lie in the fetal position and croak into a microphone while his friend played jungle records. They moved into a house with a group of intellectuals and attempted to become a hive mind. The new gestalt entity developed a language of its own, which it used to talk about accelerationism.
Corporations are actually just AI running on networks of human brains, so technology and capitalism are inseparable. Process is the production of production. Acceleration is the positive feedback process of technocapital. Accelerationism is technocapital freeing itself from human constraints.
The accelerationists all went their separate ways and developed their own theories of acceleration, which all have names consisting of a few letters followed by /acc. Land alone, however, realized that humanism and left wing politics had actually become the conservative force holding back technocapital. He started to align with radical right thinkers and developed the concept of the dark enlightenment, in which all liberal humanist values are undermined by science and free markets.
Because he referenced Moldbug in his work he became associated with NRX and by extension the alt-right and other people you would find on /pol/. He now lives in China and blogs about the collapse of civilization. He recently started calling himself a hyper-racist, because regular racism wasn't enough.

[Anonymous No.14663278]

>>14662382
This seems correct

[Anonymous No.14663290]

>>14662382
>He recently started calling himself a hyper-racist, because regular racism wasn't enough.
holy...

[Anonymous No.14663302]

>>14662382
there are some inaccuracies here (him croaking wasn't a lecture but performance art; the CCRU wasn't a hivemind but Cur was, corporations aren't AI, markets are, ect.) but overall it isn't bad. really you should just watch the rundown if you want it dumbed down

[Anonymous No.14663566]

>>14662382

Why would corporations be AI and not just collective intelligence?

[Anonymous No.14663575]

>>14663566
the actual Nick Land quote is something like "markets manufacturer non-human intelligence"

[Anonymous No.14663628]

>>14661491
Land came out of and was/is in conversation with lots of leftist theory, so it makes sense that midwit /pol/tards who try to read him because he's memed on 4chan don't understand him (ironically this is probably the majority of his "fanbase" at this point). Just let your eyes pass over all the words to get a surface level wikipedia article tier understanding like this guy >>14661494

[Anonymous No.14663662]

>>14663575
Still somewhat human

[Anonymous No.14663668]

it's like Marx but you find and replace "revolution" with "AI singularity" and edgily take the side of the oppressors

[Anonymous No.14663674]

>>14661491
https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/
read this. if any of it is unclear, just reply to me and I'll try to clarify

[Anonymous No.14663685]

>>14663290
BASED

[Anonymous No.14663686]

>>14663662
corporations? yes. markets? no.

[Anonymous No.14663755]

Just reading Wikipedia's Dark Enlightenment page

>The ideology generally rejects Whig historiography[1]—the concept that history shows an inevitable progression towards greater liberty and enlightenment, culminating in liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy[1]—in favor of a return to traditional societal constructs and forms of government, including monarchism and other archaic forms of leadership such as cameralism.

Okay so how is returning to fucking feudalism going to reinstate freedom for everyone? This isn't post-libertarianism, this is just classic absolutism.

[Anonymous No.14663762]

>>14663755
>reinstate freedom for everyone
I really don't think this is their goal

[Anonymous No.14663769]

>>14662382
Didn't Evola also call himself a hyper-racist, or a superracist at one point?

[Anonymous No.14663785]

>>14663762
But the premise of their mission is that democracy isn't compatible with freedom. This is something that a number of post-libertarians believe - that libertarianism simply creates an opportunity for groups to gain enough power and eventually remove whatever liberty is there - so they advocate a form of libertarianism where rights cannot be revoked and no constitutional amendments can be made. This isn't what the DE promotes; they promote absolutism, and judging by the recent China dick-sucking, they promote straight up one party rule communism.

[Anonymous No.14663786]

>>14663769
Superfascist

[Anonymous No.14663794]

Technology replaces people in economic and industrial processes. It does this by making more technology. This is done to make capitalism more efficient. Subsequent technology gets increasingly intelligent. Eventually, we'll make technology of roughly human level intelligence by some means. Seeing that humans are inefficient at capitalism, it will seek to replace us, all the while making itself more efficient. This will continue until technology is far more capable than humanity as a whole, and does not need us in order to survive.

This is a good thing and we should work to make it happen quicker.

[Anonymous No.14663826]

>>14662382
How can one person be so wrong?

[Anonymous No.14663836]

>>14663755
that quote is more Moldbug than it is Land. i dont think land's endgame has anything to do with monarchy

[Anonymous No.14663840]

>>14663686
why? what's a market? and what makes it non-human?

[Anonymous No.14663854]

>>14662382
>hyper-racist
kek what a pseud. what is this part of racism that everyone else missed out on?

[Anonymous No.14663876]

>>14663755
I find it kidna funny that they toss around "traditional" and "archaic" when comparing various government types from the last few centuries of human existence, when our species has been around for two hundred thousand years or so. Like debating whether the fashion of '95 or '99 is what defines 20th century clothing.

[Anonymous No.14664177]

>>14661491
It's jam-packed with jargon. The basic gist of it is that he thinks market ideology is akin to Cthulu.

[Anonymous No.14664208]

>>14663840
>what's a market?
good question

[Anonymous No.14664211]

When you gaze long into the dilation, the dilation also gazes into you.

[Anonymous No.14664213]

>>14663854
racism between humans based on geneticol modification rather than race (it's a stupid choice for the term)

[Anonymous No.14664245]

>smoke a joint, get drunk or eat psilocybe cubensis
>maybe do all of them
>watch Meltdown (1994) on YouTube
>???
>Profit

That video is the most legitimate Cyberpunk piece I have seen. True kino and poetry

[Anonymous No.14664626]

>>14663628
>lots of leftist theory
Left and right, what a simple mind one has to have believe it’s that easy. Most top tier leftwing intellectuals are esoteric writers, in a sense they do write for „right wingers“, but not the type of right in the sense of the French Revolution and the following sitting order. Most deep postmodern intellectuals want to resurrect pre agrarian conditions in a modern context and to throw away as much of the modern context as possible. Nick land has a different vision he wants to arrive at a mix of agrarian and pre agrarian conditions by just „overdosing“ on modernism and technology.

[Anonymous No.14664636]

>>14661491

[Anonymous No.14664677]

>>14664245
The absolute state of tranny aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.14664740]

>>14663794
>Technology replaces people in economic and industrial processes.
More specifically it alienates them one becomes consumer and the other becomes either deracinated owner or bureaucrat far away from production managing or developing it.

[Anonymous No.14664742]

>I have gay cancer. I'm going to die, and so are you.
It's Marx read through AIDs Patient Zero. Cultural Airborne AIDs.

[Anonymous No.14664752]

Don't take advice from anyone on lit. They don't understand because they haven't read the books.
Read the books. Go on the blogs. It's a waste of time to discuss it here.

[Anonymous No.14664775]

>>14664752
>Secondary sources always suck, especially compared to the original
Great revelation

[Anonymous No.14664793]

>>14664775
Addendum it is also, what’s called a contradictio in adiecto
>don’t listen to anybody here, but here is my advice

[Anonymous No.14664842]

>>14664793
Accs don't believe in logic dumbass

[Anonymous No.14664867]

>>14662382
Whats a hyper racist
Hates aremimutts?

[Anonymous No.14664871]

EXCEPTION PROVES RULE.
RULE PROVES EXCEPTION.
CORRELATION PROVES CAUSALITY.
CAUSALITY PROVES CORRELATION.
NO ONE KNOWS UNTIL EVERYONE KNOWS.
EVERYONE KNOWS UNTIL NO ONE KNOWS.

[Anonymous No.14664880]

>virus is economy
>economy is virus
>people need to see that economy is virus
>therefore virus is economy
In awe of this intelligence.

[Anonymous No.14664909]

>>14664213

not really, it's just insensitive to neurotics' delicate sensibilities or their flabby fixation on madison grant.
from what you've said he's advocating an ever stricter delineation of races, if not the creation of new ones wholesale, which is even more exclusionary than 'basic' racism.

[Anonymous No.14664916]

so is anyone going to explain how he is a cryptoplatonist?

[Anonymous No.14664917]

>>14664842
So there is no reason to think acceleration will cause the outcome you want. Which is just a fancy way to say nihilism and the believe in accelerating is just a coping mechanism.

[Anonymous No.14664929]

>>14664917
What's wrong with nihilism, Plato's logic is way worse and machines surpass human intelligence

[Anonymous No.14664965]

>>14664929
I basically believe nihilism is a myth. If you are a nihilist you would just sit somewhere until you rot away. I agree that’s Plato poses a false dualism, that is kind of absurd and leads to unreasonable results. But I guess by interacting with stuff you necessarily agree on the premise of you „sensing“ some meaning in the world.

[Anonymous No.14664981]

>>14664626
>Left and right, what a simple mind one has to have believe it’s that easy
Land must have a simple mind then, because he himself talks about how useful and enduring those categorizations are in his interview with Justin Murphy (in addition to consistently positioning himself as on the "right"). You're not wrong, and I appreciate you're adding nuance to the conversation here, but it doesn't really contradict what I said re Land, his fanbase and the quality of discussion you see about him here on /lit/. I haven't read him btw, and only really know of him outside of his meme status through mentions in the accelerate reader, stuff by Mark Fisher, etc. Since I was a dick, though, I'll bite. Is there an essay or two of his that are particularly crucial/influential?

[Anonymous No.14664989]

>>14664965
The only meaning is process which defeats nihilism and meaning

[Anonymous No.14664996]

Capital is Sentient.

[Anonymous No.14665001]

based

[Anonymous No.14665021]

>>14664989
Process in the sense of change?

[Anonymous No.14665028]

>>14665021
Process in the sense of process, capital's teleology

[Anonymous No.14665102]

>>14664981
>Land must have a simple mind then, because he himself talks about how useful and enduring those categorizations are in his interview with Justin Murphy (in addition to consistently positioning himself as on the "right“
He likely does it for cybernetic reasons, he probably thinks it’s a better marketing tool.
>Is there an essay or two of his that are particularly crucial/influential?
I‘m not sure, but Lovecraft and Schopenhauer seem to inform his work on a deeper level. I‘m not some huge fan of Nick Land, so you should be critical, but I feel like these are the authors he derives has overall Weltanschauung from. The synthesis of extrem „Capitalism“ (Hoppe, Schumpeter) and extrem „Communism“ (Marx). Seems to come from this perspective of the extrem unkown and the dangers lying in what’s beyond our mind, but close to it and with it since forever. I feel there is an overall dark turn even in, what we can hope for according to Nick Land.

[Anonymous No.14665115]

>>14665028
>capital's teleology
So before capital there wasn’t process before capital did exist?

[Anonymous No.14665139]

>>14665115
A process of the AI in the future

[Anonymous No.14665144]

>>14665115
There was technique. But it was constrained by worship. With money freed from the shackles of the temple technique was let loose to advance endlessly to build up more capital.

[Anonymous No.14665175]

>>14664677
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm tired of the g/acc fundamentalists hordes.

I am tired that each time they are detected by The Old Guard, they lose their composure and the threads derail to dead-end discussions because they are basically respectful observers of classical confessions while some of the leaders of the hordes of evil rhyming goblins literally commune with demons.

Don't mention them. I hate that they bring out the worst of the /lit/ conservatives, they are like ontological trolls.

[Anonymous No.14665200]

>>14665175
are you implying that communing with demons is bad?

[Anonymous No.14665227]

>>14664880
suppressing an epidemic through measures which naturally work against it economic liberty seems like a good take, what do you find wrong about this?

[Anonymous No.14665232]

>>14665200
if they want to drink menstrual blood in the name of a teratomic god, I can't do anything about it. If when they die they end up in a place they don't want to be, it's their responsibility. Each one shapes his own destiny.

[Anonymous No.14665253]

>>14664916
I was shitposting anon I don't know anything about Nick Land

[Anonymous No.14665258]

>>14664909
>The problem with ordinary racism is its utter incomprehension of the near future. Not only will capabilities for genomic manipulation dissolve biological identity into techno-commercial processes of yet-incomprehensible radicality, but also … other things.

[Anonymous No.14665278]

>>14665232
well what's the point of a numagram if I'm not supposed to summon demons with it?

[Anonymous No.14665297]

>>14665278
The numogram is the anglo response to the I-Ching. I know a meth addict anonymous poster who wrote a manual so people could use it, but it's not really understood.

[Anonymous No.14665305]

>>14661491
You probably lack the necessary historical and theoretical context. Go back to basic Marx, study the concepts of Modernism and Postmodernism closely.

[Anonymous No.14665309]

>>14665305
>Kant
>Marx
>Deleuze

[Anonymous No.14665314]

>>14665309
>Lovecraft
>Burroughs

[Anonymous No.14665346]

>>14663302
>watch the rundown
Do you mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVKHg_PJQ

[Anonymous No.14665406]

>>14663769
Evola called himself a super-fascist, because regular fascism could not provide the return to tradition that he was looking for. He had overcome fascism to develop an ideal of a new Roman empire.
Land has an understanding of race as something that will change according to new selection pressures resulting from acceleration. For example, space colonies will select for the most capable individuals, who will in turn become a new lunar or martian race. Old Earth races will be genetically inferior to these new eugenic races.

[Anonymous No.14665413]

>>14665297
I guess I'll look into the I-Ching.
Would appreciate that guide if you have it

[Anonymous No.14665423]

>>14663826
You may be right or it may be wishful thinking. I happen to believe he is more right than most people can accept without losing their sanity.

[Anonymous No.14665431]

>>14663840
A capitalist market is a forum by which strangers trade goods and services. By following the profit motive, we optimize pricing and productivity. Our individual agency does not make the key decisions, but rather the market selects those forms of activity which are optimal. It therefore behaves as an intelligence in its own right, living on a human medium.

[Anonymous No.14665435]

>>14664177
And instead of fighting it he has become a priest of Cthulu.

[Anonymous No.14665459]

>>14664867
More like wants to start a new race with eugenics, transhumanism and technocapital acceleration.

[Anonymous No.14665466]

>>14665406
You are looking at the right direction. The techno capital and the global human control system is going into two directions, the human-merge machine and the space colonization. Both projects will be for the 0.001% to enjoy, while the whole planet is being burnt like a piece of coal in order to win the second cold war.

Pic related, the capital of my country, the blue sector is where the aristocracy lives. They enjoy a GDP at the level of scandinavian countries, while the orange sectors enjoy that of Afghanistan and the red sector of the Congo.

My country has been used as an example that a market released to the highest denominator is the only way for third world nations to rise to the top and take their place alongside the other superpowers. Well, behold, the path to civilization.

Beyond the analysis of the model and its consequences, those in control don't care about the working class and the dispossessed, this is a universal phenomenon. We will be discarded like rabid animals while the top dogs will enjoy paradise. Beyond any ideology, we truly are the mutts of the Earth.

>>14665413
The book is called "Unleashing The Numogram"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AUneTvcmrVqv3mFEeHRylM70kuecjLg4xMYyToT5P2s/edit#

[Anonymous No.14665489]

>>14663876
That's because for about 190 thousand of those years government was "Grunk bigger than Lork. Grunk take Lork food and women."

[Anonymous No.14665493]

>>14661505
God I hate scaruffi he's such a dumb motherfucker

[Anonymous No.14665512]

>>14665297
I was reading that a couple weeks ago. What was the guy who wrote it like?
>>14665413
Here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AUneTvcmrVqv3mFEeHRylM70kuecjLg4xMYyToT5P2s/mobilebasic

[Anonymous No.14665521]

>>14665466
>We will be discarded like rabid animals while the top dogs will enjoy paradise.
I understand that process will produce more inequality, but hasn't capitalist inequality produced a better standard of living for people at the bottom of society than they had in pre-modern conditions? I don't really see how future inequality will be any different. We will keep getting more stuff, but those at the top will get more and more distant from us until we live in a caste system where the low cannot even understand the ways of the high. This would also free us from envy, as you cannot really be jealous of someone who is so fundamentally different to you. It would be like man being jealous of the gods.

[Anonymous No.14665531]

>>14665512
Thanks

[Anonymous No.14665535]

>>14663302
Thanks for the corrections. I'll study further.

[Anonymous No.14665548]

>>14665521
As I said, this is beyond the models, but the people behind it.

[Anonymous No.14665562]

>>14665521
>hasn't capitalist inequality produced a better standard of living for people at the bottom of society
You should look up this thing in US history called "the Gilded Age" and this author named Rebecca Harding Davis.

[Anonymous No.14665571]

>>14665466
Thanks for the doc. Will read.

[Anonymous No.14665584]

>>14665562
>Throughout her lifetime, Davis sought to effect social change for blacks, women, Native Americans, immigrants, and the working clas
will pass, the Gilded Age was based

[Anonymous No.14666115]

>>14665175
g/acc is true acc.

[Anonymous No.14666464]

>>14666115
Sure, if you want to become a lesbian cyborg.

[Anonymous No.14667041]

>>14661494
fpbp

[Anonymous No.14667101]

>>14663769
'super-fascist' but this wasn't meant to mean 'extremely fascist' but rather 'supra-fascist' in that he had transcended above fascism and developed a higher ideal

[Anonymous No.14667964]

>>14662382
So fucking wrong I don't know where to begin

>>14664867
Xenosystems - hyper-racism

[Anonymous No.14667998]

>>14661491
Capital is Sentient. Deleuzian trannies formed the blockchain of Neo-China.

[Anonymous No.14668042]

>>14667964
>The genetically self-filtering elite is not merely different — and becoming ever more different — it is explicitly superior according to the established criteria that allocate social status.
What a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.14668046]

>>14664742
kek

[Anonymous No.14668059]

>>14668042
assortative mating, patterns of which had changed dramatically in recent times

[Anonymous No.14668064]

>ITS ALL MARKET INTELLIGENCE GUYS
>relies on government programs and news for data
Welfare scientism

[Anonymous No.14668066]

>>14668059
?

[Anonymous No.14668078]

> they're saying "capital is sentient" again

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[Anonymous No.14668208]

>>14665431
When does this shift occur? At what point is individual agency lost and the market repurposed as non-human?

[Anonymous No.14668238]

>>14663840
Where are the Markets, Jordan?

[Anonymous No.14668435]

>>14668208
Land said around 1500 was when market logic started taking over human agency in European states, which then spread across the world. Then after numerous world conflicts it became completely dominant by the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.14668530]

>>14668208
so the intelligent and non-human element to markets has always existed. there has never been a market that has been a human, obviously that should make sense to you, even if markets operate by human exchange they are no more human than an abstract system like democracy is. a factory operates by human labour, we would never say then this this make a factories a human being. the intelligent side of markets are simply inherent to markets themselves (literally why we use the phrase "market logic"). markets encourage improvement, efficiency, ect. in order to win (i.e. make the most profit), therefore the logic of the market, so long as it is followed, leads to a positive feedback loop of production and efficiency. the trick is that at some point, the positive feedback loops capitalism produces hit meltdown, those feedback loops overcame their human containment and became the dominant form of logic humans are subjected to. everything becomes exchangeable, everything becomes expendable, in the name of the economy. we can roughly place the point where this happens to 1500 and the rise of international capitalism out of Europe.

[Anonymous No.14668585]

>>14668530
>starting a post with 'so'
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.14668598]

>>14668585
bruh moment

[Anonymous No.14668603]

>>14668530
The market force is not intelligent. It can be measured with a different performance metrics and it can follow trends guided by intelligent (or unintelligent I guess) human behaviour, but to call it intelligent on it's own doesn't make sense. The market doesn't think.

[Anonymous No.14668630]

>>14662382
based

[Anonymous No.14668632]

>>14668603
the market doesn't cognize but it does operate. AI doesn't "think" and yet a chess bot can beat a human 10/10 times. for Land, intelligence doesn't have to do with being conscious or sentient, it has to do with the ability to win games.

[Anonymous No.14668635]

>>14668632
stop putting words in his mouth
the very concept of a hive mind is a kind of proto consciousness
just because it isnt human consciousness doesnt mean its not conscious

the market may very well cognize, is the fact you are not recognizing because you have not studied complex systems/interconnectivity

[Anonymous No.14668651]

>>14668635
sorry, what words did I put in his mouth? if you can find a conscious market or AI I'll change my mind here, this conclusion is drawn totally from the material analysis of consciousness as self reflective awareness. markets and AI can be "aware" but not "aware that they are aware"

[Anonymous No.14668670]

>>14668651
Firstly, talking about markets and AI in the same breath is hugely dishonest. AI is just a logical set of rules, and most of the 'neural networks' are just approximating functions.

The market, on the other hand, is an interconnected small-world network with a fat tail, no equilibrium, and unpredictable causal relationships. It shows all the symptoms associated with biological intelligence.

Your challenge is infantile. Because there is no working definition for an artificial consciousness, ergo it cannot exist, is your whole argument.

[Anonymous No.14668693]

From CCRU, Swarmachines, 1996:
Jungle antagonistically tracks Metrophage across the dead TV sky of
its Global Central Intelligence program:
1. 1500. Leviathan. Command core: Northern Mediterranean.
Target area: Americas. Mode: Mercantile. Epidemic opportunism,
selective intervention, colonial settlement.
2. 1756. Capital. Command core: Britain. Target areas: AmericasSouth
Asia. Mode: Thermo-industrial. Imperial control.
3. 1884 Spectacle. Command core: USA-Germany . Target areas:
Africa-Russia-Nodal:periphery. Mode: Electrocorporate. Cultural overcoding/
selective extermination.
4 1948. Videodrome. Command core: USA. Target areas:
Expanded:nodal:periphery. Mode: lnfosatellitic-supercorporate. Cultural
programming/general extermination.
5. 1980. Cyberspace. Command core: USA-Japan-Germany. Target
areas: Totalized extrametropolitan space. Mode: Al-hypercorporate.
Gross-neurocontrol/intermittent media-format exemplary extermination,
virtual biocide.
6. 1996. Babylon. Command core: USA-EU-2-China (metalocal
command centres) . Target areas: Totalized planetary space. Mode:
Photonic-Net Hypercapital Neo-Organic. N europrogramming/
Ai:Capital:Media:Military fusion, constant entertainment extermination
process.

[Anonymous No.14668723]

>>14668670
>there is no working definition for an artificial consciousness
actually there are a few out there. a helpful model might be weak vs. strong AI.
https://www.machinedesign.com/markets/robotics/article/21835139/whats-the-difference-between-weak-and-strong-ai
there is a big bias in this topic (as reflected in that article) that in order for AI to be fully complete or "strong" that it much become conscious. Land thinks that consciousness is not only superfluous to the point of AI, but that part of the reason they operate so efficiently is the lack of consciousness. weak AI is the real AI, strong AI is anthropocentric cope to convince us nonconscious AI isn't as capable as us
>sure, the AI might be smarter than me, but can it really feel love? checkmate, chessbot

[Anonymous No.14669227]

>>14663794
>This is a good thing and we should work to make it happen quicker.

The Old Guard want to have a word with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtATDlUSIxI

[Anonymous No.14669237]

haven't we had this thread before?

become very familiar with anglophone and continental philiosophy, take lots of speed and high-powered weed, then listen to mid 90's jungle until you breach the threshold of psychosis. then you will understand Land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0LaOskuZdc

[Anonymous No.14669239]

Direct order to a/acc: Temporarily suspend anti-land posting. Reza Niggerastani is the new target and the current vessel of tranny admiration. This is strategically optimal seeing as he has picked a minor fight with Land.

[Anonymous No.14669245]

>>14669237
psilocybe cubensis are more friendly. You have to take control of the ship, not going in collision course on purpose, what the fuck are you talking about.

Good song. We should make a playlist.

[Anonymous No.14669252]

>>14669245
>what the fuck are you talking about.
its what Land and the CCRU did., newbuddy

[Anonymous No.14669357]

>>14668530
>markets encourage improvement, efficiency, ect.
So why are we eating food full of poison and feces that is shipped around the world three times?

[Anonymous No.14669381]

>>14668530
>1500 and the rise of international capitalism
This is one of the most insane eras of decadence in history, the human ego goes completely out of control, and capitalism doesn't come about until the 1700s.
Why would we not say instead that modern economics is the result of this ego of babel?

[Anonymous No.14669542]

>>14669357
because market logic doesn't have it's ends in human fulfilment; stock prices aren't determined by morality or social utility
>>14669381
I mean Libidinal Economy is an important text to accelerationism. markets certainly take advantage of people's libidos. but really the 1500 thing is symbolic. there isn't any one particular time or event you can point to where things changed

[Anonymous No.14669660]

>>14668042
manlet high income jews (redundant) are the master race

[Anonymous No.14669677]

>>14669542
"Use erogenous zone numbers, more and still more, isn't this a
decisive instantiation of intensity in capitalism? Are we. intellectual
sirs. not actively or passively [passivons] 'producing' more and more
words, more books, more articles, ceaselessly refilling the pot-boiler
of speech. gorging ourselves on it rather. seizing books and 'experiences',
to metamorphose them as quickly as possible into other
words, plugging us in here. being plugged in there, just like Mina
on her blue squared oilcloth, extending the market and the trade
in words of course. but also multiplying the chances of jouissance,
scraping up intensities wherever possible, and never being sufficiently
dead, for we too are required to go from the forty to the hundred
a day, and we will never play the whore enough, we will never be
dead enough."

[Anonymous No.14669698]

>>14668632
A game of chess isn't quite as complicated as a worldwide system genius. It's just math forcing a win within a very simple system.

[Anonymous No.14669706]

>>14668723
LMAO

[Anonymous No.14669713]

>>14669698
Do you have a point

[Anonymous No.14669718]

>>14668723
>ACKCHOOLY BAD AI THAT NEEDS CONSTANT REPROGRAMMING IS GOOD AI
https://youtu.be/euPiKKMsR8E

[Anonymous No.14669721]

>>14669698
top level chess AI are not simple systems they are quite complex, but really this isn't strictly analogous because while humans can build complex chess AI, the market is already far more complex than humans are capable of dealing with. this is why planned economies tend towards failure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

[Anonymous No.14669728]

>>14669237
Miscegeplexy rises from the dust of NeoChinatown, and Air Hoodlum breaks the ankles of capital. Intelligence overmanufactured by the Type I cybermuscle receptors of the Blackness Biobot. The first motorised insurrection was not the last. It, in fact, never ended.

Wypipo children now wildout to the hyperfeedback pop-and-lock of ghettoterritorialized AfroFutures - an urbanised quantum-Saharan monarchistic blockchain of battle royale defictionalization. The Black Queen devours the Sun in its final horizon, and we become the hypo-rhizome of dark markets manufacturing Based decline.

What w/acc fears most now finds its value in the infra-negative feedback loop of the OmniAfro drive-by. The gloom of the black sun ejecting itself out of extended magazines at an incalculable rate-of-fire and the soft tinging in the shadows of white flight. NeoCapital is sentient, but only beneath the gold rims and lowering hydraulics of grey markets.

The glitch of liberation in noumenal ejection. Calamitous voodoostition overstanding intelligent precognition.

[Anonymous No.14669733]

>>14669721
>quite complex
>1990s computers
Come on now.

[Anonymous No.14669741]

>>14669713
Yeah, you trannies are larping faggots.

[Anonymous No.14669764]

>>14669721
>all liberal economies are inefficient to the extreme and now replacing populations with refugees
>all central economies growing and maintaining ethnic populations
How retarded do you have to be to miss something so simple?

[Anonymous No.14669777]

Reminder. These are the same people who believe Moldbug is a genius.
And they constantly tell people not to take any advice from people on lit. Yet, here they are spamming their advice.

[Anonymous No.14669788]

>>14669764
China's fertility rate is 1.6

[Anonymous No.14669796]

>>14669788
?

[Anonymous No.14669802]

>>14669796
It's not maintaining its ethnic population, it is facing the same issues as Western countries(and Japan), it just underwent the demographic transition later than they did.

Also there is the peculiar case of Israel and its 3.2 fertility rate

[Anonymous No.14669820]

>>14669764
if you are trying to compare china vs. west, you are mistaken about how china's economy functions. It as actually a very decentralized economy, the central state gives regional party leaders huge amounts of leeway on how to run the local economy. They might set targets centrally but means are up to the locals. Also the main liberalization of China's economy to use market prices for agriculture in the 1970s and 80s and the subsequent liberalization of the rest of the economy are the reasons they had such explosive growth.

also claiming "all liberal economies are inefficient" when liberals economies have posted historically world beating growth for the past 200 years and are the undisputed masters of the global economy is a bit of a laugh.

In terms of replacement, this is not a problem of liberal economies it is a problem of advanced economies. This is not some great conspiracy to genocide whites, it is a basic fact that when people get richer they have fewer kids. Mainly because woman have less economic incentive to have any children and because mortality for kids is lower they dont need to hedge with large senpaitachi.

[Anonymous No.14669827]

>>14669764
having your entire adult population work (with youth training to become workers), with punishment for taking periods of time off, results in below replacement levels of population growth
This is seen in every industrialized economy (your second point references china, consider their population pyramid as well, they have the same issue because Deng (based as he was) believed a planned economy could still use markets to outproduce a liberal west. He was right, but now, single child policy laws have been repealed and nothing has changed, too few children.

The markets don't care if they sell to black white or blue skinned people, corporations that don't grow are devoured, there is no room for corporate ethics and in the US it's nearly illegal, the primary obligation is to the shareholder's value growth
market's dont care about people and use racis/antiracism as a marketing tool

nick land's big brain response to this is that he hates most humans anyways and their only saving grace is intelligence, but artificial intelligence is faster growing and already smarter in some ways

[Anonymous No.14669830]

This kills the accfag.

[Anonymous No.14669839]

>>14669830
a digital picture of 'nature' does not kill accelerationism

[Anonymous No.14669853]

>>14669764
come up with a better system anon. I'm not pro capitalism just because I think it's winning; people have been trying for more than a century to replace it. if you can come up with a viable alternative, I'm all for it.

[Anonymous No.14669854]

>>14661491
I haven't read him but isnt a lot of his work building off Bataille? Might be a good place to start.

[Anonymous No.14669856]

>>14669788
>>14669820
oh he thought China was a planned economy? sorry I miss read that

[Anonymous No.14669870]

>>14669802
>>14669827
We're talking about economics, retards.
>>14669802
Yes, China was growing at a crazy level, and then liberalised in many ways. This has led to collapse in many areas, including the ethnic. This just reinforces my point.
Russia has centralised and is growing in the real economy, not the fake matrices of western markets that produce nothing of value. And now look where we stand geopolitically. The West got absolutely wrecked largely because of its neo-bourgeois economics that produce nothing of substance.
Markets will always be subordinate to the real economy. This is clear now more than ever as markets are completely propped up with 100 billion dollar injections to keep the bread and circuses show going.
You've been proven wrong time and again, but you're either blind or stubborn. Perhaps you should consider how bad information can ever win games.

[Anonymous No.14669871]

>>14669856
I assume so, not sure what other successful economies are out there that the general population considers "planned"

really all economies are planned to some extent and none are entirely centrally planned.

[Anonymous No.14669873]

>>14669839
>not getting it

[Anonymous No.14669877]

>>14669870
Seems like you're talking about GDP resulting from exclusively physical production and it seems like you're even wrong about that

[Anonymous No.14669885]

>>14669237
The members of the CCRU explored altered states of consciousness, with a degree of responsibility and self-preservation at least compromised, but we must also consider that they lived the great technological leap, absolutely conscious of the process, which gives another meaning to the context of substance use and abuse. As Stephen King once said, their generation was the last in the West to know about books before television.

I am not saying that the use of psychotropic and hard drugs is good or bad, it is beyond discussion, but the psychosomatic phenomenon to which they voluntarily submitted can no longer be replicated. Today we live in completely extraterrestrial social, cultural and even linguistic contexts for the people living in 1987. Anon using drugs while listening to jungle while reading Fanged Noumena is a common member of a larger ecosystem unimaginable for the Cybernetic Unit.

[Anonymous No.14669890]

>>14669870
you are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.14669894]

>>14669853
Literally any system is better.
And perhaps people cannot 'replace it' because they are tilting at windmills.

[Anonymous No.14669898]

>>14669870
>China was growing at a crazy level, and then liberalised in many ways
But this is just literally the opposite of what happened. It started growing a lot once it liberalized

[Anonymous No.14669900]

>>14669854
Yes, he is basically rewriting Marx, Bataille, Deleuze, cyberfeminists, scifi, etc. Its dumbed down with pointless neologisms as well.

[Anonymous No.14669915]

>>14669890
Not an argument. But see where I clearly said
>all central economies growing
And both of you accfags misread this and went into your own arguments about populations not growing. Strange isn't it? Can't meme. Can't recognise facial expressions. Can't follow basic arguments.

[Anonymous No.14669926]

>>14669898
no, mao's great leap forward based on killing sparrows and creating iron in your backyard was what caused the boom, not D.Xiaoping's market reforms and black cat/white cat philosophy you 傻子

you're responding to somebody ( >>14669870
) who only knows China for Mao and Xi, with no idea how they actually achieved their current situation

[Anonymous No.14669930]

>>14669877
How am I wrong? How is Russia not in the best position in the world right now? And how does this not show the superiority of military decisions and the essential economy over that of markets?
'Seems like' isn't an argument. Try to set aside your solipsism for once. You're supposed to be for non-human intelligence, but you display its absolute form in every single discusson.

[Anonymous No.14669933]

>>14669915
>went into your own arguments about populations not growing.
you said
>>14669764
>eplacing populations with refugees
>d maintaining ethnic populations
Do you have the memory of a goldfish? The posts talking about the population were responding to that post

[Anonymous No.14669937]

>>14669894
why don't we operate by any other system then?

[Anonymous No.14669938]

>>14669915
" now replacing populations with refugees" vs "maintaining ethnic populations"

when people called you retarded for saying that liberal economies are growing you backpadeled and said 'no but not the specific part of the economy i was talking about, and also the fed controls it' (undermining your 'non centralized is worse' idea)

so if you're wrong about populations and wrong about economies growing what is your point

[Anonymous No.14669942]

>>14669926
How'd they achieve their current situation? And how am I wrong when I said the exact thing you did?

[Anonymous No.14669945]

>>14669915
1) there are no central economies left in the world
2) there is a widely accepted correlation between liberalization and economic growth
3) russia's economy is total dogshit, smaller than fucking italy yet almost double the pop, also that pop is shrinking very fast, the only reason russia had a chance this century was high oil prices, those are never coming back in the next 10 years, your economy is almost entirely based on extraction
4) russia's geopolitical position is far worse than you suspect, if Ukraine flips to the west it is basically game over, if/when there is a disputed succession over putin the whole thing will collapse like 1992
5) you are a retard
6) you keep talking about real economy vs fake economy, that means nothing stfu

[Anonymous No.14669956]

>>14669926
but why did China liberalize? the question is "why does capitalism always win" not "what would be your personally perferred method of economics". the real world doesn't care what your pinon is, China, like every other successful economy, needed to liberalize

[Anonymous No.14669957]

>>14669933
Fucking idiot.
The point is that there are two problems: both economies faltering where markets rule as well as replacement of populations. Which means Land/r/acc are wrong on two fronts.
You can't even see two points at a time. How the fuck can you discuss intelligence?

[Anonymous No.14669965]

>>14669937
That's a very long story that very few are capable of understanding. Explaining it to accfags would be a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.14669969]

>>14669942
you're an absolute idiot if you believe Mao's pigeon killing program and not Deng's use of markets is what caused China's success in markets
Instead of just calling you an idiot I'm going to spoonfeed you with Wealth and Power: China's Long March to the Twenty-first Century
Book by John Delury and Orville Schell as an intro to how China got good

[Anonymous No.14669973]

>>14669938
How is population growth the economy?

[Anonymous No.14669980]

>>14669957
But you're literally fucking wrong about both things lmao. Liberalization leads to growth and the fertility rate is linked to industrialization not the type of economy.

[Anonymous No.14669984]

>>14669973
(你)

[Anonymous No.14669990]

>>14669973
people produce and consume, those add to GDP. you can either increase the amount they consume to grow the economy or add people who also produce and consume that also grows the economy. read a book on macro for fucks sake

[Anonymous No.14670000]

>>14669969
And who was he? Someone who managed to maintain socialist sovereignty over free markets. But I don't even think China is that relevant. Russia is much more significant, which I alluded to in my post with the geopolitical situation. This is one of the most important events of modern times and you market fags probably have no clue what I'm talking about.
Never assume the person you are speaking to is stupid.

[Anonymous No.14670011]

>>14669973
imagine defending chinese economics and not knowing basic chinese history nor basic economics

[Anonymous No.14670014]

>>14669945
false
fallacy
market economy, once again incapable of following the argument
Ukraine? kek
lmao
lmao NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL AND FAKE keep believing in bitcoin faggot

[Anonymous No.14670023]

>>14669980
>Liberalization leads to growth
>all western powers weak and weakening
>literally losing sovereignty without a shot fired
Source needed on the benefits of libfagging

[Anonymous No.14670035]

>>14670000
我不假定你太笨了,你说明理由

[Anonymous No.14670036]

>>14669990
Yes. Thanks for stating obvious banalities. But you are speaking of markets, not the actual economy as it is defined beyond your extremely limited timeframe.
Real economies in the west are completely dead. Meanwhile, the greatest periods of growth/acceleration in modern times all come a few sources: centralised/socialist economies and war.

[Anonymous No.14670042]

>>14670011
Imagine defending ultrarationalism and being a solipsist.

[Anonymous No.14670047]

>>14669830
Nature it is the answer, but the technocapital is eating the planet alive and nobody is on the cockpit.

I'm afraid that only a low intensity global intrinsically non-lethal cyberwarfare could give the change to restart the system, but basically would be three or four neurosurgeons fighting each other in the operating room pushing each other while all together are intervening the tissue.

The great filter/dark forest is approaching. Our world leaders are simulations.

[Anonymous No.14670051]

>>14670042
i'm not a solipsist, there's the other person who gives me (you)s

[Anonymous No.14670057]

>>14670035
Get fucked by digits.

[Anonymous No.14670067]

>>14670047
'nature' it's purest form of 'jungle' is what accelerationists equate markets to, competition between organisms

the forest looks nice because you're removed from it, every plant in that photo is trying to strangle or poison the others - only the rocks, non-living blocks, aren't fighting for their lives

[Anonymous No.14670086]

>>14669965
cope

[Anonymous No.14670097]

>>14670047
Not the point. It's from the old thread where the accfag admitted that the existence of a rock refutes capital.
Technocapital is a redundancy in acc terms, so why is it used? And in real terms it is completely false.
Perhaps. But growth can lead to extreme fragility. This is the other side of centralisation which is growing in the Western world, and effectively diminishes the arguments over economic and political systems. A single glitch at a farm can result in 20,000 chickens dying. Similarly, the viruses which become inevitable in such systems can destroy their entire industry until all that remains is elimination and containment. This is a great irony since it is how the west destroyed its own economy. Once again catching up and realising its impossibility rather than accelerating.
In some way the leaders are simulations. But there remain leaders, mostly in the intelligence agencies and militaries of the west. Putin will be remembered as an incredible leader.

[Anonymous No.14670106]

>>14670097
>the accfag admitted that the existence of a rock refutes capital
anon that was me (not him btw), my point is that it is obvious that capital isn't everything, not that a rock "refutes" capital, whatever that is supposed to mean

[Anonymous No.14670121]

>>14670067
My country it is that jungle, as we speak. Before Terminator, there is Jurassic Park. We call it "El Modelo", un capitalismo liberado, una fuerza pública envenenada por la cocaína y la ausencia de ethos. Jefes militares de más alto rango huyendo con los fondos de pensiones de sus camaradas de armas. All what CCRU says was right.

Make no mistake, Your enemies know your mother tongue.

Good luck everyone.

[Anonymous No.14670122]

>>14670086
>can't meme
>can't argue
>doesn't know what bait is
>doesn't know what cope is
Holy fuck, accfags. How do you manage?

[Anonymous No.14670128]

>>14670106
Yes, obviously.
Thanks for once again showing how you completely miss the point without fail.

[Anonymous No.14670137]

>>14670067
>t. never been to the forest

[Anonymous No.14670138]

>>14670122
cope

[Anonymous No.14670146]

>>14669969
>>14669980
>China's industrial economy under Mao grew impressively--at an average rate of 10 percent per year

[Anonymous No.14670149]

>>14670097
>Putin will be remembered as an incredible leader.

>manages cocaine trafficking between Colombia and Russia
>one of those responsible for the second Chechen war

I respect your spirit, but I reject this statement.

[Anonymous No.14670159]

>>14670128
LOL wait, was your point with this post
>>14669830
to say this rock refutes capital? following your lone of thinking is liek trying to solve one of those weird Chinese puzzles and have the manual but it just keeps telling you that you can't meme

[Anonymous No.14670170]

>>14670000
Checked and btfo

[Anonymous No.14670182]

>>14670146
who are you quoting?

Can you guess the year Mao died?
Look at this graph, I bet it's obvious

[Anonymous No.14670184]

>>14670159
It's a meme anon. I know that causes brain trauma for you, but if you don't like it maybe it's time to go back.

[Anonymous No.14670192]

>>14670149
You should explain why I say that, just to prove that I can trust your grasp of the situation.
Keep in mind that I am not saying he is an ideal leader.

[Anonymous No.14670204]

>>14670184
so why did you bring up the rock example here?
>>14670097
is all of this just a meme? do you have a point to make?

[Anonymous No.14670222]

>>14670097
>the existence of a rock refutes capital.
This has to be a new low for the entire website

[Anonymous No.14670232]

>>14670222
Well, it was an acc argument.

[Anonymous No.14670236]

>>14670232
no, it wasn't, you came up with that one all on your own
>>14670106

[Anonymous No.14670237]

>>14670204
>do you have a point to make?

[Anonymous No.14670247]

>>14670237
>>14669965

[Anonymous No.14670248]

>>14670236
Why do memes make you fags seethe?

[Anonymous No.14670253]

>>14670248
is it a meme or an acc argument? can't be both cause acc fags can't meme.

[Anonymous No.14670256]

>>14668192
Trump has access to the looking glass, sort of a time machine but not really a time machine.

Think something like a warehouse with 100,000 HDD's containing every single recorded action of every single human being via the E ch E lon data harvesting network, now combine that with a warehouse with 100,000 high end GPU's funneling all their processing power into a single computer that can calculate every possible action/non-action using all the data from the HDD warehouse, with a predictability rate that's very accurate at 90-95%

Now combine all that shit above with a high end oculus rift VR unit that's like a full-body suit on a 3-D treadmill and you basically have something like a time machine, but obviously you can't interact and change events, but you can basically observe future events to nearly perfect accuracy. Imagine the things you could do with that capability? Maybe become president and save humanity from annihilation i dunno...

[Anonymous No.14670259]

>>14662382
Who would win in a pig wrestling competition?

[Anonymous No.14670266]

>>14670247
Yes.
If accs demonstrated even a little interest in honest discussion perhaps I would be willing to take the time to explain it.
And there's no one else chipping in anything but memes, and you guys are sliding now, so it'd most likely be a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.14670272]

>>14670266
anon you are in every acc thread why not just refute them with your epic rock argument already. in fact, don't even give me the argument, tell me the books to read and you don't even have to waste your time.

[Anonymous No.14670277]

>WE WUZ COMPUTERS N SHIIEEEET

[Anonymous No.14670279]

>>14670259
the CCRU vs Ted?
The CCRU probably because acceleration will occur whether or not people read their books, whereas T.K.'s success relies on people both being exposed to his/similar ideas and acting upon them despite great resistance

[Anonymous No.14670282]

>>14670272
>them

[Anonymous No.14670288]

>>14670170
Perfect image to explain this.

[Anonymous No.14670325]

>>14670272
>one thread the other day
>every thread

[Anonymous No.14670330]

>>14670277
>>14670000
Is there a reason the future AI never gives its true believers digits?

[Anonymous No.14670340]

>>14670330
future AI exists in the same way cars 'create' roads

Once the AI arrives my dubs will be endless but for now they're hypothetical

[Anonymous No.14670351]

>>14670340
How very Christian of you.

[Anonymous No.14670445]

Why isn't non-human intelligence just humans becoming really fucking stupid? That would be the obvious explanation, and all signs point to it being true.

[Anonymous No.14670620]

>sinophiles
>any connection to reality

[Anonymous No.14670703]

>>14665175
>Old Guard
>acc
acc was always g/acc

[Anonymous No.14670818]

>>14664677
kek

[Anonymous No.14670857]

Capital is literally getting gassed.
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1225032958677045248

[Anonymous No.14671009]

>>14670857

[Anonymous No.14671098]

>>14670703
Because Sadie Plant?
For some reason we never discuss here on /lit/.

There was a video-performance (I don't know the name) that it is like a Meltdown 2 (2017)

[Anonymous No.14671109]

>>14670256
>Donald Trump has a clandestine super computer where apply Big Data analysis in order to achieve a profit.

Nice hyperstition faggot.

[Anonymous No.14671129]

>>14671109
lmao

[Anonymous No.14671404]

This frame from Rick and Morty's Rattlestar Ricklactica, is all you need to know about the CCRU.

No further action is required.

[Anonymous No.14671807]

>>14662382
Wow I thought all leftist were cringey retards but this guy seems cool

[Anonymous No.14671865]

>>14661505
6/10

[Anonymous No.14672016]

>>14671807
Land is r/acc
Is r/acc left?
Isn't that Deleuze?

[Anonymous No.14672042]

>>14672016
r/acceleracers

[Anonymous No.14672501]

>>14665314
>Rowling
>Meyer

[Anonymous No.14673012]

>>14671807
Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic.

[Anonymous No.14673320]

acc has nothing to do with trannies

[Anonymous No.14673333]

>>14673320
kek

[Anonymous No.14673427]

>>14673333
>>14669777
>>14670000
Holy fuck. Why do acc trannies even try?
The story goes like this: pseuds are captured by a Landian singularity as empty technobabble and edgy posturing lock into cheesiness take-off. Grammatically awkward obsolete cyberpunk prose meltdowns thought in auto-fellating buzzword incontinence. As post-Virtual Futures tantrums try to manufacture intelligence, secluded bullshitters modernize, upgrade alt-right paranoia, and refuse to get a grip. The cringiness climbs through a series of Myspace posts. Bourgeois Decadence Disguised as Anti-Anthropocentric Rationality trashes Decent Deleuze Scholarship, Worthy Schizoanalytic Praxis, the First and Second Terminator, and Deleuzo-Nietzscheanism, cranking up capitalist ideology through compressing phases of narcissistic self-victimization...

[Anonymous No.14673524]

>>14673320
they were trannies from the beginning
>The cyborg is a kind of disassembled and reassembled, postmodern collective and personal self. This is the self feminists must code.

[Anonymous No.14673602]

>>14673333
>>14673427
>>14673524

[Anonymous No.14673659]

>>14673602
https://youtu.be/pd2Gzkkwe9Q

[Anonymous No.14673798]

>>14673333
>>14670000
added to the tally

[Anonymous No.14673890]

>The patronymic has irrecoverably divested all the women who fall under it of any recourse to an ethno-geographical identity; only the twin powers of father and husband suppress the nomadism of the anonymous female fluxes that patriarchy oppressively manipulates, violates, and psychiatrizes. By allowing women some access to wealth and social prestige the liberalization of patriarchy has sought to defuse the explosive force of this anonymity

>That is why the proto-fascism of nationality laws and immigration controls tends to have a sexist character as well as a racist one. It is because women are the historical realization of the potentially euphoric synthetic or communicative function which patriarchy both exploits and inhibits that they are invested with a revolutionary destiny, and it is only through their struggle that politics will be able to escape from all fatherlands.

>For it is only when the pervasive historical bond between masculinity and war is broken by effective feminist violence that it will become possible to envisage the uprooting of the patriarchal endogamies that orchestrate the contemporary world order. With the abolition of the inhibition of synthesis – of Kantian thought – a sordid cowardice will be washed away, and cowardice is the engine of greed. But the only conceivable end of Kantianism is the end of modernity, and to reach this we must foster new Amazons in our midst.

[Anonymous No.14673903]

>>14673890

[Anonymous No.14673943]

>>14673903

[Anonymous No.14673952]

>>14673903
Hi Nick.

[Anonymous No.14673991]

>Markets Manufacture Intelligence

[Anonymous No.14674003]

So now that OP's request has been fulfilled, lets talk about why we love Nick Land.
I think that Nick Land is the only philosopher for people who, like me, are a radical misanthropist. Nick Land wants to eradicate humanity, and so do I. 95 % of people I've come to meet online or from the media or real life are either absolutes assholes and I get the urge to physicall hurt them, or they are vapid, uninteresting degenerates. Even on /lit/ I'd likely hate most people.
Who gives me the moral and philosophical permission to have this thoughts which would be considered "evil" in christianity? None better than Nick Land.

29 years and I am not a videogamer. No bait, just my real thoughts. My social and emotional intelligence is likely higher than yours, I work with many differnt people on a daily basis on my job. I do find many good people there & even more from the large group of stupid people, out of which a small portion makes no secret out of the fact that they would like to make you kill yourself.
My workplace is filled with grade A people only, but I guess I'm not the only one hearing abhorrent stories from relatives who participate in real life, stories from work or private life, where again the stupidity of the large part of humanity is presented to you.
I want these people to burn. Who can blame me for liking Nick Land?
Land's dream will become true soon, mabye even during his lifetime. I am awaiting it in joyful anticipation.

[Anonymous No.14674031]

>nick land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHzR5o-W428

[Anonymous No.14674066]

>>14674031
https://youtu.be/4mhlzyxLgoI

[Anonymous No.14674095]

>>14671109
What did it mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14674107]

>>14669733
do you think development of chess engines ended in the 90s?

[Anonymous No.14674112]

>>14674066
https://youtu.be/sTWD0j4tec4

[Anonymous No.14674205]

>>14670170
cunny

[Anonymous No.14674221]

Why is guenonfag never in these threads? Is Nick Land, dare I say, irrefutable?

[Anonymous No.14674238]

>>14673890
i hate women

[Anonymous No.14674334]

>>14661491
run fast

[Anonymous No.14674824]

>>14674221
We need Guenon people here. There's a dialectic to build.

[Anonymous No.14674858]

>>14674066
its very........very......um......american

[Anonymous No.14675173]

>>14671404
extremely based and savage post

[Anonymous No.14675205]

>>14675173
Totes this
>>14671404
Upvoted and golded. So based.

[Anonymous No.14675274]

So are they advocating for accelerationism because it will lead to instability and collapse or do they advocate for it because they see the end point as the best alternative?

[Anonymous No.14675291]

>>14675274
Because it's inevitable and right. Elimination of the humans allows good capital/humans to attain their rightful administrative positions, which are basically just gibs of capital's inevitability.
But the right ones this time.

[Anonymous No.14675314]

>>14675274
why does someone advocate for platonism or the theory of relativity? because they think it's real. they don't tell you what to do. deciding what you want to do after you have accepted the fact is up to you. there are even decelerationists.

[Anonymous No.14675356]

>>14675274
Both options presume some sentimentality towards humanities fate, so neither

[Anonymous No.14675363]

>>14675356
Damn, thats cringe.

[Anonymous No.14675406]

>>14675356
Is there anything more humanist than transcendental solipsism?

[Anonymous No.14675408]

>>14675356
>>I have gay cancer. I'm going to die, and so are you.

[Anonymous No.14675421]

>>14675274
I don't think there's any advocating going on at all, as far as I can tell Land's general attitude is "We're all going to go extinct and this is funny to me because humans are stupid''

[Anonymous No.14675449]

>>14675274
Search Warrants Issued

Dems going down

Future proves past

All time highs

Land of eagles

Swamps drained

Immigration but legally

Trust the Plan

WWH1WGC

[Anonymous No.14675482]

>>14675421
Yes there is. It's experimental kantianism for dumb people.
>Neocameralism doesn’t answer questions like that [on the specifics of social organization]; instead, it’s a mechanism for answering questions like that. … You can ask, “is Coke considered better than RC Cola?”, or you can institute capitalism and find out. You can ask, “are ethno-nationalist states considered better than mixed states?”, or you can institute the patchwork and find out. …
In other words, we'll implement the ideal system, which is impossible, through trial and error. The noumenal theory can be completed once we've attempted every form of already-existing austrianism, and failed.
They're so far into the future that they can't see all of this shit already happened.

[Anonymous No.14675506]

>>14675482
That's not what I'm talking about. The Patchwork stuff is part of the human scenario, just competition between states. Land's horizon is non-human intelligences emerging and taking over, presumably alongside the extinction of humanity. He thinks the Patchwork idea is the best way to get from A to B but it's not really an end of its own. The end, the only telos he sees in reality at all, is the acceleration of intelligence, which began long before humans and will go on long after them.

[Anonymous No.14675508]

>>14675421
>Let’s start with my ideal world – the world of thousands, preferably even tens of thousands, of neocameralist city-states and ministates, or neostates. The organizations which own and operate these neostates are for-profit sovereign corporations, or sovcorps. For the moment, let’s assume a one-to-one mapping between sovcorp and neostate. […] Let’s pin down the neocameralist dramatis personae by identifying the people who work for a sovcorp as its agents, the people or organizations which collectively own it as its subscribers, and the people who live in its neostate as its residents.

>A Neocameral ‘neostate’ is not owned by its residents or its agents. Its ‘monarch’ (or ‘CEO’) is an executive appointment. (90% of all confusion about Neocameralism, and Neoreaction in general, stems from a failure to grasp this elementary point.) Note: ‘subscribers’ (plural). More coming on this immediately.

>Every patch of land on the planet has a primary owner, which is its sovcorp. Typically, these owners will be large, impersonal corporations. We call them sovcorps because they’re sovereign. You are sovereign if you have the power to render any plausible attack on your primary property, by any other sovereign power, unprofitable. In other words, you maintain general deterrence. […] (Sovereignty is a flat, peer-to-peer relationship by definition. The concept of hierarchical sovereignty is a contradiction in terms. …) […] The business of a sovcorp is to make money by deterring aggression. Since human aggression is a serious problem, preventing it should be a good business. Moreover, the existence of unprofitable governments in your vicinity is serious cause for concern, because unprofitable governments tend to have strange decision structures and do weird, dangerous things. […] (Nuclear deterrence (mutual assured destruction) is only one small class of deterrent designs. To deter is to render predictably unprofitable. Predictably unprofitable violence is irrational. Irrational violence is certainly not unheard of. But it is much, much rarer than you may think. Most of the violence in the world today is quite rational, IMHO.) […] General deterrence is a complex topic which deserves its own post. For the moment, assume that every square inch of the planet’s surface is formally owned by some sovcorp, that no one disagrees on the borders, and that deterrence between sovcorps is absolute.

[Anonymous No.14675514]

>>14675508
And let's be clear, the sov in sovcorp definitely is not what you think it means.

[Anonymous No.14675529]

>>14675421
>funny to me because humans are stupid
So that's why he hates himself.

[Anonymous No.14675534]

>>14675506
Ok retard.

[Anonymous No.14675543]

>>14675508
This is Moldbug, who thinks this would produce good governance for the citizens. Land's stated reason for liking the system is that he thinks it will produce non-human intelligence.
>>14675514
It means sovereign corporation doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.14675545]

>>14675534
I am 100% right about that being Land's perspective on this, he talked about it all the time on XS. You can call the perspective retarded, you can't call me retarded for explaining to you that's what he thinks, you're just being childish now.

[Anonymous No.14675547]

>>14675508
https://youtu.be/ato5NS9dW0A

[Anonymous No.14675560]

>>14675545
>>14675543
>semantics really does change the definition

[Anonymous No.14675569]

>>14675545
>I don't think there's any advocating going
>advocates it because he thinks it will produce non-human intelligence

[Anonymous No.14675592]

>>14675569
Ok fine, but advocating for extinction by nonhuman intelligence is not usually what people mean when they talk about political advocacy.

[Anonymous No.14675609]

>>14675592
Being edgy doesn't make you original. Especially today.

[Anonymous No.14675611]

>>14675609
What does being original have to do with anything? And Ancaps are still arguing for human flourishing of some sort

[Anonymous No.14675613]

>>14675569
Nick Land advocating for patchwork came like more than a decade after he did his influential work. most people don't take twitter era Land seriously, not in the same way as meth era Land is

[Anonymous No.14675616]

>>14668435
How clueless he’s. This also happened in the Roman Empire and I bet it happened to more Empires. It becomes more and more about making people rich until it’s stretched out and morally bankrupt, which is when in the periphery the rebellions all comes crumbling down.

[Anonymous No.14675636]

>>14675506
>non-human intelligences emerging and taking over
>he thinks it will produce non-human intelligence
NeoSophistry arrives from the Patchwork.

[Anonymous No.14675658]

>>14675613
>>14673903
Where have I seen this move before?

[Anonymous No.14675664]

What the fuck is The Patchwork.

[Anonymous No.14675665]

>>14675636
are you guys just trying to not understand what Im saying? It wasn't even a complicated point and youve blown it out into an entire conversation

[Anonymous No.14675683]

>>14675611
>not usually what people mean
>What does being original have to do with anything?
Christ...

[Anonymous No.14675688]

>>14675664
Read pic>>14675508

[The Man !QkRJTXcpFI No.14675692]

>>14674003
>95 % of people I've come to meet online or from the media or real life are either absolutes assholes and I get the urge to physicall hurt them
If such people are making you so angry, that says little about them and more about yourself.

[Anonymous No.14675693]

>>14675683
...It not being original doesn't change that it's usually not what's meant by that.

[Anonymous No.14675698]

>>14675665
>you guys
>NAP violated
>Giant Death Robot deployed

[The Man !QkRJTXcpFI No.14675699]

>>14675274
Acceleration leads to techno-god leads to eternal return.

[Anonymous No.14675700]

>>14675698
Im not an ancap, I dont even agree with Nick Land, you just appear to be completely retarded

[Anonymous No.14675721]

>>14675658
I think you are actually missing the point here, this is Nick Land's career in rough form
step 1: Nick Land is a philosophy professor (writes stuff like Kant, Capital, and the Prohibition of incest)
step 2: Nick Land is on meth and hangs out with the CCRU, invents accelerationism as we know it today (writes stuff like Meltdown)
step 3: Nick Land becomes a boomer and starts racist shitposting on twitter (writes stuff like the Dark Enlightenment)

[Anonymous No.14675729]

>>14675700
>I don't think there's any advocating going on at all
>He thinks the Patchwork idea is the best way to get from A to B
Who's the retard? And what is your political position/philosophy? A bit curious that you fall for the sophistry if you don't agree with it.

[Anonymous No.14675742]

>>14675729
Literally the only point of that post that spawned all of your autism was that Land wasn't advocating patchwork because he thought it was going to help people. Accelerationists usually have some kind of goal for humans in mind and the frogpost I replied to seemed to be asking about that, so I replied that Land's reason for liking it is distinctly misanthropic.

[Anonymous No.14675743]

>>14675721
No. You are missing the point. In one argument you are saying that early Land is irrelevant. In the next thread it becomes late Land. Then the next you have to synthesize both. Another you have to abandon Land completely for some other acc position.
Moving the Goalpost: The Ideology

[Anonymous No.14675748]

>>14675742
So you're an acc. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Anonymous No.14675759]

>>14675508
this is fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.14675762]

>>14675748
No Im not an accelerationist of any kind. a)I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen with technology and the development of the economy in the next few centuries, and b)I don't really give a shit about ideal political systems retards dream up that literally never come to fruition.

You respond like a computer program churning out preapproved messages you fucking twerp

[Anonymous No.14675763]

>>14675743
Kant Capital and Incest isn't meth Land, that's where you are getting confused. and again, it's not really about defending Nick Land, it's about expositing accelerationism. some of his work is useful for this, some of it less so, some of it is totally unrelated.

[Anonymous No.14675786]

>>14675762
So why are you reading it?

[Anonymous No.14675799]

>>14675699
>eternal return
I feel like mr.land argued against the idea of eternal return

[Anonymous No.14675811]

>>14675763
>influential work
>twitter era Land
>meth Land only
Again, where have I seen this before? Next is "No not that one!"

[Anonymous No.14675820]

>>14675274
1. The working class has not control of the process

2. The working class only course of action: the capitalist process of production

3. Lawful Neutral: "Have it your way".

If the global civilization collapses, it is not my fault, but the designer.

[Anonymous No.14675835]

>>14675811
It is absolutely necessary to make the difference between Regular Land and Meth Land tho. He is right in that. They are two different entities.

[Anonymous No.14675860]

>>14675786
I read his stuff because I found it interesting to think about

[Anonymous No.14675884]

>>14675786
why did you read it?

[Anonymous No.14675900]

>>14675835
How so? If it was wrong last argument why is it right this argument?
You should learn to read philosophical arguments before trying to engage in them.

[Anonymous No.14675915]

>>14675900
>it
anon use your words I don't know what you are saying. what is "it" in this context?

[Anonymous No.14675930]

>>14675884
Because political philosophy is one of my areas of interest, and accs are a plague on this board.

[Anonymous No.14675940]

>>14675915
>says one thing
>what could the 'it' possibly mean?????
Anon, please.

[Anonymous No.14675954]

>>14675940
okay anon, yet another point that btfo's acc that you can't be bothered to type. I can't take the time to decipher your shitposts, and I'm the sort of degenerate that reads Nick Land. if you want, give me the books anon. I'm still waiting on those.
>>14670272

[Anonymous No.14676078]

>>14675954
What are you on about?

[Anonymous No.14676478]

What the hell is wrong with antiacc retards that quickly swarm land threads and quickly outnumber and drown out actual acc posters?
I don't understand how a group of people could be so pissy and so misinformed at the same time. You would think having no idea what is going on would be a humbling experience but no, it seems to inspire a sort of disproportionate pettiness and evasiveness.
Just imagine, for a moment, what was going through the mind of the person who made pic. related. Imagine being so self-unaware that you post nothing but greentext snippets of the people you are replying to and derivative meaningless quips for the sole purpose of upping the frequency of ani-acc posting in any given thread. It's so tedious I can now preemptively reply to my very own posts:
>so pissy and so misinformed
>disproportionate pettiness and evasiveness
>preemptively reply to my very own posts:
>mushy_land_faec.jpg
wtf accelfags, cope harder

[Anonymous No.14676626]

>>14669728
lmfao. stealing this.

[Anonymous No.14677075]

>>14661491
basically just depress gas pedals

[Anonymous No.14677190]

>>14669885
>the psychosomatic phenomenon to which they voluntarily submitted can no longer be replicated.
>Anon using drugs while listening to jungle while reading Fanged Noumena is a common member of a larger ecosystem unimaginable for the Cybernetic Unit.
Wouldn't this just make us capable of reaching even greater intensity? Anons have already built a culture of cybernetics online, then watched it grow and seep into reality.

[Anonymous No.14677221]

>>14670259
Bronze Age Pervert

[Anonymous No.14677235]

>>14673320
>acc has nothing to do with trannies
Have you even heard of g/acc?