/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14641478]

>you are now remembering that time Thomas Aquinas destroyed an android his mentor Albertus Magnus built
wew lad that shit came out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.14641490]

Hello, dear sirs. May I have your attention for a moment?

[Anonymous No.14641538]

>>14641490
i dont know much about thomsim but i think what is being proposed there is that to consider something and to apprehend it are two different actions, aquinas sees the soul of a human being as being both their mind and body, all of these are in one form and substance, their own particular being, in fact he sees knowledge as grasping an objects being through apprehension of the senses, i see a cat and i apprehend that cats own particular being, it is a different being to every other being in the universe, i can know things because my mind has being ( myself ) as its measuring stick, i know the being of a cat in relation to my own being, gaining knowledge

[Anonymous No.14641554]

>>14641538
What did it have to do with cause and effect?

[Anonymous No.14641651]

>>14641554
i think it is because of his understanding of being, he isnt saying that god is the cause in the sense a finger knocks a domino, every being is an act and potency, it is at once what it is at that moment and yet a potential for something else, beause it is not truly actual in that it is a potency, it leads to the conclusion it has been affected by something else, i think this shows that necessarily that there must be something which is both essence and existence, essence being the form/act ( what something is and existence being what it is, aquinis arrives at cause and affect not from knowledge prior to his experience but from the principles of what he experiences

[Anonymous No.14641695]

>>14641651
Still, these are examples of cause and effect applied to things outside of the realm of ordinary experience.
> this shows that necessarily that there must be something
How could this not be something arrived at by a priori deduction? (notice the "necessarily").
>but from the principles of what he experiences
Could you clarify this part? I don't see how any of this could be seen in the realm of experience.

[Anonymous No.14641849]

>>14641490
Thank you for posting this Anon. I am reading Hume at the moment and had no idea what he was talking about. You have done me a great service.

[Anonymous No.14641888]

>>14641849
I'm glad it helped you. It's amazing how three sentences could be illuminating for seekers of truth (and devastating for the thomists).

[Anonymous No.14641907]

>>14641478
why would Magnus build such a tempting machine?

[Anonymous No.14641919]

>>14641490
Your picture is nonsense. If you have a point may has well put it on words.

[Anonymous No.14641931]

>>14641919
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume/

[Anonymous No.14642676]

>>14641490
He didn't disprove anything though.

[Anonymous No.14643846]

>>14641490
I never would have imagined that Hume was This much of a moron.

[Anonymous No.14643900]

>>14643846
>I never would have imagined that Hume was This much of a moron.
he was a naturalist, after all

[Anonymous No.14643985]

>>14641695
i think aquinas works from ordinary experience back to god never leaving his concept of being, evrything, say a cat,sound, smell colour is something as opposed to nothing, it is a being, its substance might be accidental like the pinkness of a flamingo and the sound from a trumpet, but none the less it is something, not to be confused with atoms or molecules which in themselves can only be thought of as individual beings, seeing a cat is grasp it by my senses by its being, in understand it in relation of my own being, gaining knowledge of it, i witness the its own particular form, which i understand to be within the category of cat, and that it is its own particular being which is its substance, this being is at once objective act and yet it is in motion, it is a potency for something else, say a fur coat, it is not absolute act/being and yet it is a being in that it exists, it is its own particular essence and yet as it is in motion it is being affected by something ( a necessary being) that isnt to be thought of like time or movement, time is just a reference point of a particular being, movement is just reference point of being in time, the being that affects the cat must exist and must be effecting every other being, aquinas elaborates much more on this and says we can only speak of it from analogy, one way is proportionality, a dog is faithful, a man is faithful, god is faithful but not in the same sense a man is, i hope my rant makes sense lol

[Anonymous No.14643999]

>>14641695
i recomend martin darcys books thomas aquinas if you would like to learn more

[Anonymous No.14644024]

>>14643985
also that wasn't proportionality that was proportion and attribution, proportionality is the cat not being absolute being but only a proportion of being, this isnt to say that god is a cat but he is entirely himself both existence and essence, unaffected

[Anonymous No.14644026]

>>14641490
>English philosophy
Good meme anon!

[Anonymous No.14644557]

>>14641490
Hume's greatest contribution to philosophy was in making everyone realize how retarded empiricism is.

[Anonymous No.14644730]

>>14641478
What are you talking about? Is this real?

[Anonymous No.14644888]

>>14644026
>hume
>english

[Anonymous No.14645126]

>>14644730
This, I think

[Anonymous No.14645159]

>>14641490
All Hume the empiricist did was show that Aquinas the empiricist was retarded by showing that the whole empiricist project is retarded.

[Anonymous No.14645264]

>>14645126
That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Holy shit, I'm crying.

[Anonymous No.14645293]

>>14645126
the past was excessively based

[Anonymous No.14645311]

Reminder that the idea of Aquinas being obese is Protestant propaganda, and that all the actual references to him from his own time make him out to be not fat, but big and robust. He was strong, probably bearmode.

[Anonymous No.14645736]

>>14645126
>ywn live during the middle ages

[Anonymous No.14645754]

>>14645126
>"I've done it....I have created an artificial being!"
>ON THE CONTRARY

[Anonymous No.14645798]

>>14645754
made me laugh

[Anonymous No.14645925]

>>14643985
Potency isn't real silly Thomist

[Anonymous No.14645979]

>>14645925
what about the growth of a organism or the education of a child in mathematics? heat from a fire and ill informed post from someone such as yourself?

[Anonymous No.14645989]

>>14645126
Based, Aquinas already knew the dangers of AI.

[Anonymous No.14646497]

>>14645126
Based as fuck.

[Anonymous No.14646743]

>>14645126
Seriously now? An android in that century? Who believes in this silly stuff?

[Anonymous No.14646752]

>>14646743
>Who believes in this silly stuff?
Yeah a we've got a real mystery here. I mean WHO COULD POSSIBLY BELIEVE in silly stuff?

[Anonymous No.14646759]

>>14646752
Haha, ikr
based fellow euphoric ledditfriend

[Anonymous No.14646800]

>>14645126
So... What was it? Did he just dress up one of his servants or something?

[Anonymous No.14646807]

>>14645126
I don't know how this hasn't been meme here before.

[Anonymous No.14646809]

>>14645979
I mean potency in the ontologically substantial way Thomists assert, nobody denies that change exists (Parmenides and guenonfag don't count)

[Anonymous No.14646829]

>>14645126
This is what Thomfags actually believe.

[Anonymous No.14646850]

>>14646829
Is it? The core of Thomism is the common sense, isn't it? This strikes me more as something an ockultist would believe.

[Anonymous No.14646915]

>>14646743
I mean, automatons and stuff. A lot of tinkerers did shit. Of course not to the modern notion of it, but clockwork plus occultisism might shed light on the rumor. I mean, homonculli were also a rumor.

[Anonymous No.14647750]

>>14641478
Based

[Anonymous No.14648780]

>>14645126
Holy based...

[Anonymous No.14648794]

>>14645126
>living, talking, does the housework for you
>probably cute, slender & flat-chested
>made out of wood, metal, wax and leather
Did it have extra cavities besides the mouth? Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.14649152]

>>14641478
Based

[Anonymous No.14649757]

>>14644888
>>14644026

hume spent his whole life trying not to be Scottish and spent thousands in todays money trying to be taught how to be English.