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All I do every day is think about how this guy could be wrong, but I can't do it. Modern life seems so absurd, I don't know how everyone is so okay with it.

>> No.14637746

I believe that Guenon was right after all. We should go back to the Middle Ages.

>> No.14637750

>>14637739
Where to start with anprim lit?

>> No.14637751
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>>14637739
yep. pretty much. i hope one day you will experience the awesome power of the WILDERNESS.

the tranquility. the adventure. the self-confidence and joy. the real freedom. knowing you are a free man. knowing that the earth will be around for generations and generations for your children and their young without filth and poison everywhere. but pure clean fresh WILDERNESS as far as the eye can see. the way humans have evolved to live for millions of years. the way the earth should always be.

>> No.14637755

>>14637750
"Technological Slavery"

And be very very skeptical of "Anprim" literature. Most of it is infiltrated with leftists, kooks, and charlatans.

>> No.14637768

>>14637751
>wilderness
>clean
Bad bait

>> No.14637773

>>14637739
Maybe the problem is that you are a special snowflake who just can't adapt yourself to new circumstance?

>> No.14637840

>>14637768
you have no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.14637841

>>14637840
Enlighten me

>> No.14637853

>>14637841
cleanliness as in the moral sense, as in "morally uncontaminated; pure; innocent."

also, there is a tendency in civilization to equate cleanliness with sterility. they are actually quite different. civilized modern people tend to want to eradicate things to clean them. whereas in primitive contexts more accommodation is sought with natural life-systems and processes to encourage healthy living. i meant the moral cleanliness of these processes.

>> No.14637860

>>14637853
So everything you said was a tautology? Cool

>> No.14637872

did you really think someone could think the wilderness was free from dirt???

>pure clean fresh

>> No.14637879

>>14637739
>>14637746
Why not just kill all humans, that's what I advocate. We're a fucked up aberration; no animal should have consciousness.

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>>14637739
>All I do every day is think about how this guy could be wrong, but I can't do it.
His collapse theory is retarded, for one thing. His explanation for the Fermi Paradox only makes sense if you assume that self-prop systems are somehow confined to Earth, or fierce competition and the disastrous long term consequences leading to their destruction happens faster than self-prop systems can spread. If self-prop systems are continuously expanding out into space, there's always going to be an uncolonized frontier that is untouched by any long-term consequences resulting from human-originated self-prop systems.

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/01/kaczynskis-collapse-theory.html

>> No.14637926

>>14637739
How could he be wrong with such a handsome face?
I wish I could give him a hug and that he would grab my cock and kiss me.

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>>14637853
>cleanliness as in the moral sense, as in "morally uncontaminated; pure; innocent."
Kek. Tell that to primitive tribes with massively high violence rates, animals that get hunted by lions and other predators, elephants that die of starvation when their last set of teeth fall out, or fish that freeze, suffocate, and starve when frozen in the Arctic/Antarctic.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/violence-is-reality/

>> No.14637937

>>14637739
So he made some good points. Have you ever compared that with how he attempted to achieve his goals? His inability to see the cause and effect relationship in his action has to be weighted against his writings. Modern life could have been anything. People who truly understood how change works steered us to here. He didn't understand how to implement change. If you understand the history and success of the status quo, you will understand influence and change.

>> No.14637946

>>14637935
ASS
Take your pedo theorists back to red-dit.

>> No.14637956

>>14637879
This. Even if Ted's revolution actually happened, industrial civilization would just return a few centuries later. Human extinction is the only solution.

>> No.14637961

>>14637919
haha! Are you really going to try to have your 2-bit economist "refute" one of the world's preeminent mathematicians and logicians.

Hanson's review is a non-review. there was no argument presented. Just ad hominem, and mischaracterization. Why would self-prop systems expand in one direction? Because you want them to??? they expand everywhere and anywhere were it's most efficient. So no, the theory doesn't "only make sense if they are confined to earth."

>> No.14637977

>>14637935
>elephants that die of starvation when their last set of teeth fall out
Yes, that's so much worse than humans who die when their last round of chemo fails.

>> No.14637978

>>14637935
Violence may well be pure and innocent. You haven't spent much time around children.

>> No.14638042

>>14637750
Industrial Society and it's Future. It's less than 100 pages.

>> No.14638044

When will you get off Ted's dick for a minute and take a breath? He's really not that brilliant. His contribution to technology studies is a mere footnote.

>> No.14638060

>>14638044
Sure man. Keep telling yourself that. Anti-Tech Revolution and Technological Slavery are without doubt the most groundbreaking and lucid works in the field. It shouldn't be surprising given his pedigree, hi background, his experience and his intensive focus and study in isolation.

>> No.14638410

>>14637739
Fuck off Alex.

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LEAVE SOCIETY

>> No.14639723

>>14637739

"...scientists and engineers constantly gamble with human welfare, and
we see today the effects of some of their lost gambles: ozone depletion,
the greenhouse effect, cancer-causing chemicals to which we cannot
avoid exposure, accumulating nuclear waste for which a sure method of
disposal has not yet been found, the crowding, noise, and pollution that
have followed industrialization, massive extinction of species, and so forth.
For the future, what will be the consequences of genetic engineering? Of
the development of superintelligent computers (if this occurs)? Of understanding
of the human brain and the resulting inevitable temptation to
“improve” it? No one knows.

...

Every major technical advance is also a social experiment. These experiments
are performed on the public by the scientists and by the corporations
and government agencies that pay for their research. These elite
groups get the fulfillment, the exhilaration, the sense of power involved in
bringing about technological progress, while the average man gets only
the consequences of their social experiments."

--FC to Scientific American

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>>14637739
Read Twilight of the Idols by Nietzsche. Philosophically speaking, Ted is very wrong. Whether you want to learn to embrace modern life or not is up to you and besides my point.

>> No.14640067

>>14639723
So basically, the chad producer vs virgin consumer COPE.

>> No.14640552

>>14640067
no you idiot. the social experiments will affect the "producers" and their children as well.

>> No.14642178

>>14637739
Fear of the absurd is a weakness.

>> No.14642999

>>14637746
Guenon is a coward who can't cope with change.

>> No.14643005

there are currently 3 (three) Ted threads all made by the same "we live in a society" cringelord.

maybe read a different fucking book you autist?

>> No.14643030

>>14642999
What? He was born into changed times. Going backwards or to something new is more of a change than the trajectory of our time.

>> No.14643060

>>14643030
>He was born into changed times
>Changed times
I want you to go meditate on that sentiment until you realize how amazingly retarded it is.

>> No.14643086

he was right about the problem but wrong about the cause.
humans weren't made to be atomized.
the most revolutionary technologies and concepts are all about efficiency,
which is generally achieved through consolidation and ease of use.

what is the internet? the instant transmission of information to any location via centralized networks.
what is a vehicle? something that transports people and things very quickly with no physical effort via centralized networks.

he is right that these systems/ideas,
and others like them, required the industrial revolution.
he is right that the material wealth they grant us does not outweigh the drawbacks that come with the concentration of power and resources required to produce them.

but the problem is not the technology itself,
it is the system that surrounds and facilitates it.
anprim is never going to happen.
not even in some sort of global apocalyptic scenario would it happen.
we aren't going to magically forget about this technology,
and we shouldn't anyways because the technology itself is fine.
the problem is how it is leveraged against us from inception to execution.

there needs to be a return to tribalism,
in the most literal sense: society governed by tribes.
we were not made to memorize hundreds of thousands of laws,
nor to live around millions of strangers, to eat meat without killing,
to recieve a constant stream of entertainment, to be comfortable.

for reference of generally how we should live, look to the amish,to the old believers,
chumbavilcas, pashtun, or any modern example of a society that is an isolated,
self-sustaining community. they have technology, but they also have their people,
their families, and their land. while all of these different tribal systems can vary greatly,
with their own unique customs and ways of life,
they are all still able to function equally successfully simply because they are tribal and that is all that is needed.
as long as the foundation is sound, you can really build anything on top of it and it will work.

and that is really the great thing about tribalism: it is simultaneously broad and defined.
any culture can be adapted to live within the tribal framework because every culture was originally tribal.
scaled up, different tribes could find allies in each other for the sake of defending their tribal lifestyles,
without having to get into the weeds about communism vs capitalism or similarly less fundamental ideas.
it really doesn't matter because again, it will function as long as it is based in tribalism.
when everyone knows your name, when you can trust the man to your left and right,
it doesn't matter what system you go with, it'll always work out. you don't need hard fast laws,
layers of beauracracy, or massive power structures when the members of your society are so deeply connected to one another.

>> No.14643119

>>14643060
>you can't refer to a prior point in a noun which someone wasn't born in