/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14610165]

Do you believe in "the Western canon"?

[Anonymous No.14610176]

At this point writers from other regions have made great contributions to literature. The name should be changed to the Global canon.

[Anonymous No.14610179]

>>14610176
Name 2 that aren't Japanese.

[Anonymous No.14610180]

>all degrees and varieties of white men
kys

[Anonymous No.14610186]

>all degrees and varieties of white men
Very based.

[Anonymous No.14610318]

>>14610165
Believe, meaning how one believes in the christian God+salvation+truthfulness of the Bible, or whether one believes that there are people who believe in the christian god etc.? The former gives a lot of space for debate, but the latter doesn't.

[Anonymous No.14611635]

>>14610165
Can someone give me all the names of these old white men?

[Anonymous No.14611651]

No. I believe in Cycles instead

[Anonymous No.14611669]

>>14611635
Homer, Vergil, Shakespeare, Milton, Joyce
Cervantes, Pessoa, Molière, Hugo, (((Proust)))
Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Dante, Machiavelli, Wordsworth (?)
Twain, Hemingway, Goethe, Schiller, Man

[Anonymous No.14611708]

>>14611669
That's Manzoni you fucking giga pleb gtfo

[Anonymous No.14611728]

>>14611669
Get a load of this dumbass

[Anonymous No.14611839]

>>14611669
Why the "(((Proust)))"?

[Anonymous No.14611867]

>>14611708
That's why I put the "(?)" because I was UNSURE, you colossal FAGGOT.
>>14611839
He had Jew blood.
>>14611728
Woah I'm sorry I didn't know your FAGGOT WOP AUTHOR.

[Anonymous No.14611887]

>>14611867
It's beyond me why ((())) means anti-semitism and/or white nationalism.

[Anonymous No.14611942]

>>14611887
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

[Anonymous No.14611953]

Canonicity as an idea is pretty bad, but typical. I would expect it to be clung to and justified for a while longer, especially as a reformed archive: 'we are expanding the canon' or 'we are increasing access to the canon' or some other reformist nonsense that enables the easily coherent view to perpetuate itself. In short views that understand the canon as compromised but do not interrogate its epistemic problems seem set to remain powerful (this is alongside the reactionary negation, which seeks simply to reclaim the immaterial 'losses' it takes from the liberal reformists.)

As for the authors I am sure they have or had things to say. I have maintained a good relationship with some of them and you wouldn't be wasting your time reading them. Its sophisticated small scale ideology and maybe a bit better than reading liberals or fascist mystics or whatever rosewater less sophisticated ideologues like myself wanna sell you.

[Anonymous No.14611972]

>>14611942
I'm familiar with how to google. I was saying that it's retarded that parentheses are somehow anti-semitic. I don't really know where I lie politically, if anything I'm socialist, but liberals are fucking dumb for just blindly accepting that such and such symbol means something racist/homophobic/anti-semitic/etc. We should all be fighting over meaning, not cowering in fear.

[Anonymous No.14613492]

>>14610179
there aren't even any japanese

[Anonymous No.14614550]

>>14610179
Borges, Garcia Marquez

[Anonymous No.14614555]

>>14610179
Name 2 that are japanese.

[Anonymous No.14614562]

>>14610165
Yes, because it’s real. And it’s also growing, the western cannon is constantly being revived and updated as works continue to be produced along side with works that have had no spot light being discovered. Now, if you’re asking if we agree with it, that’s a different question. Tho I love white girls, fuck white people. They’re great tho.

[Anonymous No.14614583]

>>14611972
It's a wide spread symbol for the "guys controlling". Elders of Zion and stuff.

[Anonymous No.14614586]

I believe that Alexander Dumas is, as they say, phenomenal

[Anonymous No.14614604]

There's at least 12 non-white writers in the pic, why are people so buttmad?

[Anonymous No.14614613]

>>14610165
It's the only canon there is. Everything else is scattered sparks, whereas Western civilziaton is a fire. Much of them didn't write with anything resembling a canon in their mind, but I suppose to first men to gather and plant seeds never though of making a thing called civilisation either.

Yes, I do.

[Anonymous No.14614619]

>>14610165
No, I reject your meta narrative

[Anonymous No.14614648]

>>14614619
Elaborate on why

[Anonymous No.14614657]

>>14614648
Some people I've never heard of decided for me that these authors and there texts are the right books for our arbitrary seance of civilization. What the fuck is 'the West' meant to mean anyways. It means what ever the person saying it means, and I don't see any reason why these authors should be the only held up in this way.

[Anonymous No.14614662]

I don’t, no

[Anonymous No.14614670]

>>14614657
The Literary Cannon is still growing as we continue to read through old news papers, magazines, and others readings that were published but were over looked because of the Canon. Yes, the Canon was biased, white driven, but with reason. They captured the voice, images and feelings of a developing country. The country that now holds the most power today. Though I would agree that it should be rearranged, I would not disagree with it because then you ruin the point of /lit/ and only limit yourself with how far you can go with a discussion.

[Anonymous No.14614680]

>>14614657
>Some people I've never heard of decided for me that these authors and these texts are not the right books for our supposedly arbitrary sense of civilization.
See I can critique your meta meta narritive, as it itself is a meta narritive, just one twice removed from honesty.

The western canon is such since it simply is meant to outline the most influention texts to better understand the predicate of as well as the current nature oof our immediate cultural zeitgeist. You just got out of intro to western thought with your hippy post modernist teacher, didnt you? You question for the sake of questioning instead of trying to understand why things are their in the first place.

[Anonymous No.14614832]

>>14610165
Fuck it, 404. I’m out

[Anonymous No.14614855]

>>14614680
shut up fag

[Anonymous No.14614973]

>>14611942
The fact that someone took the time to make this into a wikipedia article shows how dedicated the encyclopedia is

[Anonymous No.14615000]

>make canon for western culture
>people get mad because it's not a canon for global culture
????

[Anonymous No.14615092]

>>14610165
Yes. It serves as a strong literary foundation, a catalog of all those writers who have helped guide what has been the dominant cultural force of recent history. Of course, it shouldn't be seen as a restrictive list, and of course it should evolve over time (people pissed about Dead White Men need not apply), and some of the writers may be a little out of date; nevertheless, without it, we'd be reduced to groping our way through dubious best-of list from the likes of retailers and online bloggers.

[Anonymous No.14615112]

>>14614855
Good rebuttal.

[Anonymous No.14615256]

>>14614550
>not western

[Anonymous No.14615273]

>>14611972
That's just how symbols work though. It's true that the Left are way too hysterical about this stuff, leading to such idiocy as the OK sign and whatnot, but given their need to absolutely condemn and ostracize all far right stuff they don't really have a choice, if Nazis pick something up then the Left have to drop it.

[Anonymous No.14616107]

>>14611669
Dante is Italian

[Anonymous No.14616138]

>>14614670
>They captured the voice, images and feelings of a developing country. The country that now holds the most power today
Are you implying that the Western Canon is somehow American?

[Anonymous No.14616152]

>>14610165
daily reminder that this is what the people on /lit/ bitching about white people look like

[Anonymous No.14616160]

More or less - canons serve as a good guideline but should not take precedent over genuine reader interest. Good starting point.