/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14609325]

>And then, Ivan Ilyich died.

[Anonymous No.14609371]

>>14609325
>everyone except the simple servant was an asshole

[Anonymous No.14609376]

>"You did the crime, now do the punishment"

thanks Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.14609434]

>>14609371

Saddest part of the book desu for some ironic reason

[Anonymous No.14609442]

>>14609376
>If you want war, then you'd better prepare for peace

What did Tolstoy mean by this

[Anonymous No.14609447]

Spoilers retard

[Anonymous No.14609483]

>>14609442
Well, at some point the war is going to end and you'll need some kind of plan for after that

[Anonymous No.14609511]

>>14609447
>book is named "the death of ivan ilyich"
What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.14609571]

>>14609442
War has consequences.

>>14609447
You're probably baiting, but it's in the title, Anon.

[Anonymous No.14609604]

>that was the story of our prince Hamlet
>the most tragic man on this whole planet!

Why do people call Shakespeare the greatest English writer again?

[Anonymous No.14609647]

>>14609604
Knock it off Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.14609733]

As the men held a knife to his neck, Josef K muttered to himself, "well I guess they got the Judge's decision from the trial".

[Anonymous No.14609840]

>>14609371
>Asshole
No, they weren't. They treated Ivan in a perfectly normal way. He was a mediocre family man, and his family treats him accordingly. He was never particularly close to his colleagues either. Ivan lived an unremarkable life and died an unremarkable death. He would've treated any of the other characters in a similar fashion if they were the ones dying.

[Anonymous No.14610411]

>>14609840

>lives an unremarkable life and died an unremarkable death.

exactly the point.

[Anonymous No.14610427]

>>14610411
That's what I'm saying. None of the people in Ivan's life are acting in a particularly mean-spirited manner, so they don't deserve to be called assholes.

[Anonymous No.14610457]

>>14610427

Granted though, the servant is a proper lad.

[Anonymous No.14610661]

>>14610427

Sure they are, maybe you haven't read it. I think the point of the dynamic, the way it's written, though, is that even with all of his senior authority as an imperial magistrate, Ivan is unable to be treated in a way that people would consider to be dignified by those closest to him.

[Anonymous No.14610812]

>>14610457
>Missing the point

Isn't it implied that the servant kid leaves him too, and that his kindness had been a means to an end?

[Anonymous No.14610820]

>>14609733

N then he turnt into a bug lel

[Anonymous No.14610990]

>>14609442
One wonders if War and Peace had been highly acclaimed as it was had it been published under its original title "War, What Is It Good For?"

[Anonymous No.14612130]

>>14609840
But it has bittersweet ending

[Anonymous No.14612146]

>>14610990
Lol

[Anonymous No.14612182]

>>14610990

[Anonymous No.14612252]

>>14609840
>he thinks the Death of Ivan Ilyich is Stoner
redditors need to leave

[Anonymous No.14612261]

>>14610812
>Isn't it implied that the servant kid leaves him too, and that his kindness had been a means to an end?
No. What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.14612399]

>>14609840
I come back to /lit to see this? Great bait m8. Wrong book retard.

[Anonymous No.14612415]

>"Truly, this planet has become a Dune, soon to be a motion picture by the Dino De Laurentiis Corporation and Universal Studios."

Frank Herbert's dialogue was a little clunky at times.

[Anonymous No.14613190]

>*whistles* That's some catch, that Catch-22.
GODDAMMIT HELLER I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS SHIT

[Anonymous No.14613308]

>And that's how I learned to lighten up and realize life is God's big joke.

[Anonymous No.14613346]

>I guess the real The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women was the friends we made along the way
huh?

[Anonymous No.14613391]

>I guess my whole life was just an Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

[Anonymous No.14613563]

>So that's it, huh? We're some kinda The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring?

[Anonymous No.14613664]

>>14613391
>maybe the real Phenomenology of Spirit were the friends we made along the way

[Anonymous No.14614737]

>Sing to me, muse
>Of the man of twists and turns
>Who was driven off course, time and again
>After he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy
>And then made his way, on the Odyssey

Ugh is this guy serious

[Anonymous No.14615099]

>>14609733
lel

[Anonymous No.14615258]

>>14612130
Most of the "sweetness" is removed when you recall the first chapter is the last chronologically.