Lolita

[Anonymous No.14597809]

Is this a meme or is it truly one of the greatest American novels?

[Anonymous No.14597821]

>>14597809
Meme with ridiculously baroque prose that falls flat half way through.

[Anonymous No.14597837]

I thought it was brilliant, though not really focused on the “American” part. It seemed to lag a bit in the middle during the road trip section but other than that it’s one of the best 20th century novels ever imo.

[Anonymous No.14597843]

It's an astounding piece of writing.

But there are lots of equally amazing novels that don't center around a serial rapist and pedophile. Nabokov knew he was erasing a real-life victim's story when he wrote that book. It was intentional and orchestrated. The book feeds the fantasy of men who think Humbert Humbert is a hero, his actions can be justified, or his desire is normal. Don't fetishize it. Don't place it on a lone pedestal as though it attains a level of excellence that could never be matched.

Other American novels provide a similar level of writing without being prurient or exploitative.

[Anonymous No.14597861]

its absolutely fantastic. If you dislike it, you probably dislike language

[Anonymous No.14597864]

>>14597843
Buzz off moralfag

[Anonymous No.14597866]

>>14597843
Are you saying you think Nabokov had victims, young girls or a girl who he raped or groomed? Don’t you think that would have come out by now if it were true? I think he may have had an attraction but that he never acted on it.

[Anonymous No.14597931]

>>14597809
The trick to understanding the book is realizing that HH is a pseud first and a pedo second.

[The Prophet !!lwPyLS41HmK No.14597956]

>>14597843
He doesn't erase the "victim's" story, rather he represents the book from the perspective of an unreliable narrator. The key is to understand that HHs perspective is fundamentally one-sided because he has to excuse his own deviancy.

But then again women and girls are things designed for our sexual pleasure, not people, so who cares?

[Anonymous No.14597992]

>>14597843
lmao dilate more

[Anonymous No.14597996]

>>14597843
Sounds exactly like a student in ENG201 except you're at least willing to grant that Nabokov's prose is great.

[Anonymous No.14598031]

>>14597809
I heard he wanted to call it American Gothic. Can you imagine that book with that title? A book this good passes comparison, it just sort of stands apart unto itself forever

[Anonymous No.14598260]

>>14597866
>Are you saying you think Nabokov had victims,
No. I'm not saying anything of the sort. The subject of an older man and a young girl comes up enough in Nabokov's writing (outside of Lolita) shows that it's an idea he was interested in exploring. He returned to it more than once. I'm not suggesting that he was a pedophile or that his interest in the subject is immoral. Crime writers are interested in murder and kidnapping. We don't suspect them of being killers.

[Anonymous No.14598280]

>>14597956

Lolita is exploitative because Nabokov used a real girl's story as the basis for the book, lied about it, pressured other people into lying about it, and benefited from the girl's trauma and lived experience while erasing her story.

It has nothing to do with the literary device used to tell the story.

> women and girls are things designed for our sexual pleasure

stick to fleshlights so your sexual partners won't have to hear your weeping after you blow your load on their thigh

[Anonymous No.14598293]

>>14597996
I've read Lolita more than once and really enjoy it. It's a great book. It's a great story. It's great prose.

[Anonymous No.14598315]

>>14598280
>Lolita is exploitative because Nabokov used a real girl's story as the basis for the book, lied about it, pressured other people into lying about it, and benefited from the girl's trauma and lived experience while erasing her story.
Prove it

[Anonymous No.14598403]

>>14598315
>Prove it

[Anonymous No.14598466]

>>14598280
>lived experience
Found the faggot. I love how you always use the same buzzwoods like it's a tic.

[Anonymous No.14598578]

>>14597809
Unironically the best book ever written

[Anonymous No.14598608]

>>14597809
Why do thots like this book so much?

[Anonymous No.14598613]

>>14597843
>But there are lots of equally amazing novels that don't center around a serial rapist and pedophile
Like?

[Anonymous No.14598651]

>>14597809
it's a work of intense genius that has a trick to it that sadly is overshadowed by the tendency of fixation on its depiction of a deviant. the real key to the work is muffled by this, and i rarely hear anyone speak of what fundamentally makes the work astonishing. sadly, the furthest most plunge is into HH's likelihood of being an unreliable narrator, and leave it at that. thankfully, as those of my species succinctly proclaim, game recognize game.

[Anonymous No.14598664]

>>14598608
because they inevitably surface read and identify themselves with lolita and the men they see as abusers with HH, and at face value, they derive some comfort from the overt narrative, seeing it as a conduit to rationalize those abuser's acts, coming to sympathize with HH.

[The Prophet !!lwPyLS41HmK No.14598671]

>>14598280
I actually experience post nut clarity that makes me want to murder them, as is only appropriate

[Anonymous No.14598672]

>>14597843
this is so cringe

[Anonymous No.14598679]

>>14597843
imagine being this dumb and trying to read lolita

[Anonymous No.14598764]

>>14598651
what is the trick?

[Anonymous No.14598945]

>published in France by a Russian
>American

[Anonymous No.14599924]

>>14598608
They secretly want to be Lolita and like Humberts personality.

[Anonymous No.14600331]

>>14597809
meme

[Anonymous No.14600345]

>>14598578
I love your irony

[Anonymous No.14600376]

>>14597821
Agree with this. Its peak is the section about his young romance and the eventual sullying of it. It's never as good again after that, which is analogous to the character's life... so that's cool at least

[None !!toyzDfGl0vW No.14600394]

Funny thing is, Lolita was the corrupt one.

[Anonymous No.14600404]

>>14597809
Nabokov is Russian but it's a good book

[Anonymous No.14600407]

>>14597931
>The trick to understanding the book is realizing that HH
Agree, and since it's all written by HH the prose is pseud central, yet it seems to be nearly universally praised for its beautiful prose. Does that mean that professional and amateur critics are nearly universally pseud themselves, or at least lovers of the stylistically pseudo?

[Anonymous No.14600422]

>>14600407
The prose is certainly pseudy but it's executed with such incredible perfection that it's remarkable nonetheless. Salvador Dali did something similar with his unequaled technical perfection in creating juvenile surrealism.

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>>14597843
>durr le evil pedophile

Thanks for stopping by, Reddit.

[The Prophet !!lwPyLS41HmK No.14600821]

>>14598260
James Patterson besides being a terrible writer is most definitely a killer and child rapist

[Anonymous No.14601276]

>>14597843
>The book feeds the fantasy of men who think Humbert Humbert is a hero, his actions can be justified, or his desire is normal.
Nigga have you actually read the book or are you spewing th same vile bile your teach or prof vomited down your throat?

[Anonymous No.14601906]

Lolita is a moral critique of pedophilia and abuse in the same way that American Psycho is a moral critique of consumerism and violence

If you disagree with this point and can't back it up with critical analysis and close reading then your opinion is not valid

[Anonymous No.14602037]

>>14598280
>Lolita is exploitative because Nabokov used a real girl's story as the basis for the book, lied about it, pressured other people into lying about it, and benefited from the girl's trauma and lived experience while erasing her story.
Hahahaha based Nabokov, fuck that little slut she probably wished to be raped lmao

[Anonymous No.14602069]

IT'S A COMEDY. All the stuff about delectable prose is a smokescreen. If it doesn't make you laugh, don't read it.

[Anonymous No.14602090]

>>14602069
The ending where HH shoots and chases the other pedo is hilarious as fuck. One of the funniest things I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.14602121]

>>14602090
Yes, that is a hilarious though also slightly nightmarish scene.