/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14597406]

What did he read?

[Anonymous No.14597413]

>Reads Fight Club once

[Anonymous No.14597418]

Porn magazines

[Anonymous No.14597421]

>>14597406
Not much probably. Everything I've read about him indicates he was a savage. Just search "anarcho primitivism reading list" in the archive of you want to find stuff.

[Anonymous No.14597426]

>>14597406
There was a list that FBI made of the books he had in his cabin IIRC.

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[Anonymous No.14597432]

>>14597406
A while back an anon posted a picture of a document listing the books he had requested in prison. I don't have it anymore unfortunately. Maybe someone can find it.

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>>14597426
This

[Anonymous No.14597441]

>>14597430
Thank you, mothman

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14597454]

>>14597432
And here’s the rest
>>/lit/thread/13838498#p13839181

>>14597441
Not a moth nor a man

[Anonymous No.14597481]

>>14597430
>>14597434
>>14597454
>almost no philosophy
>trash and some fiction
Figures.

[Anonymous No.14597519]

>>14597481
You're such a genius. How can we ever hope to reach your level of understanding?

[Anonymous No.14597545]

>>14597481
brainlet?

[Anonymous No.14598047]

>>14597434
>Eastern Mysticism
Was Kaczinsky a Guenonian?

[Anonymous No.14598048]

>>14597406
I assume he read a lot of left-wing literature. The crux of his argument against "the industrial system" stems from a relentless drive for efficiency, which is a consequence not of the process of machanization in and of itself but a consequence of capitalism. I'm assuming he avoided left-wing language because he was active during the cold war and didn't want to be dismissed as a commie - which to be fair, he's certainly not.

[Anonymous No.14598286]

>>14597434
didnt know he speaks spanish

[Anonymous No.14598292]

>>14598286
In Anti-Tech Revolution he cites multiple Spanish authors and also some poets IIRC

[Anonymous No.14598395]

>>14598048
are you retarded. in his notebook he wrote about wanting to "kill a Communist"

[Anonymous No.14598405]

>>14598395
Why do math geniuses keep falling for idiotic propaganda? Von Neumann was a political retard

[Anonymous No.14598416]

>>14597519
Why does he attempt philosophy if he clearly didn't read much of it, and why do you defend him?

>>14597545
Yeah, seems like he was.

[Anonymous No.14598428]

>>14597545
He read a lot of history, but not a lot of theory. It's probably why he comes across as very intellectual but sometimes rigid and backwards in his evaluations.

[Anonymous No.14598430]

He read Ellul, quite a bit. This is well known. Next question.

[Anonymous No.14598446]

>>14598048
That's a ridiculous and false assumption. Ted didn't believe in either side of the political spectrum. He saw conservatives as money obsessed fat cats that oversaw the usage of the IS, but he dedicated an entire section of ISAIF to explaining why leftists are basically brain damaged.
Oddly, his writing has been in fashion with both the left and the right at different times. Which misses the point - he had not faith in any political system actually resisting IS.
The man was a math genius. His attempts at understanding history or humans was probably more than a little flawed, but his intelligence was probably far higher than 99 percent of the board (and of course I include myself in that estimate).

[Anonymous No.14598447]

>>14597430
>>14597434
>>14597454
Are these just the books found in his cabin after the raid? He certainly read a lot more than this throughout the rest of his life, and if I remember correctly he would get books from the library.

[Anonymous No.14598517]

>>14597481
What are the trash items on that list? Do enlighten us. Just because he didn't happen to have much philosophy on him, doesn't mean he never read philosophy either.

[Anonymous No.14598634]

>>14598430
He misunderstood Ellul though.

[Anonymous No.14598642]

>>14597406
Jaques Ellul

[Anonymous No.14598729]

>>14598292
>implying i read hack authors

yeah, nah..

[Anonymous No.14598749]

>>14598405
>Why do math geniuses keep falling for idiotic propaganda?
Equations are optimized at extrema

[Anonymous No.14598772]

Tao Lin

[Anonymous No.14598852]

>>14598729
Who are you quoting

[Anonymous No.14598900]

>>14598405
Von Neumann was based. commies are just jealous because the RAND corporation and DARPA are a more effective revolutionary force than they ever were. Counterinsurgency is the dialectical aufhebung of maoist guerrilla warfare. After reading Kojeve's lecture's on Hegel I have come to the conclusion that communism means nothing less and nothing more than an universal neohegelian state of right backed by full NATO-Israeli airspace dominance.

[Anonymous No.14599283]

>>14597406
don't remember where I heard/read this

[Anonymous No.14600544]

>>14598395
>>14598446
I never said he was a leftist or a communist. I just pointed out how his critique of "industrial society" aligns closely with left-wing criticism of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14601346]

>>14598405
good at math, creativity, and deductive reasoning,
bad at judgment and understanding people.

I don't mean to suggest its like a video game and they spent all their stats and they are mutually exclusive, just that geniuses tend to be hyper focused and not develop in other areas

this does not describe Ted at all though

[Anonymous No.14601365]

>>14598749
Stealing this thank you

[Anonymous No.14601420]

>>14599283
ive got it, read it a few times,
its legitmeately excellant, expecially elluls comparision between the western use of technology and the classical greek use of technology.

Ellul also talks about lonliness being a built in feature of industrial society, its clear to see ted basically copied most of his ideas from ellul. But unlike ellul (who was based), ted too the wrong approach imo.

[Anonymous No.14601425]

>>14598428
>backwards in his evaluations
can you be more specific?

All we usually get are a bunch of vague denouncements. I wonder if it has to do with all the propaganda or ideological opposition to him?

[Anonymous No.14601432]

>>14600544
then you haven't read it very carefully. it doesn't really "align" with marxist thought, unless you stretch the meaning of the word align to extremes. the central core of Kaczynski's thought is technological autonomy. the idea that the development of society and technology is beyond rational prediction and control and subject to forces of natural selection among competing systems.

[Anonymous No.14601438]

>>14601425
not op, but i get the feeling ted read a few specific authors like heidigger and ellul, and basically parroted their views because they fell in with his bias. Ted was extremely smart, but he was still a STEMlet, and had a poor conception of philiosophy.

I wonder if he read any schopenhaur, he might have been less violent, as he might have realized that running off to the forest isnt the only way to get rid of suffering, idk

[Anonymous No.14601439]

>>14598634
he goes beyond ellul. he doesn't "misunderstand" him.

[Anonymous No.14601453]

>>14598416
He's an originalist thinker. he's probably one of the world's foremost minds, especially when applied to complex system analysis. why on earth would he bother himself with outdated or irrational "philosophies" especially when he has far more personal insights and logical ability than most philosophers. He just needs the facts--history, science, statistics etc. No time for other people's faulty reasoning.

A lot of people find it very hard to comprehend just how brilliant he is (due to propaganda or ideological aversion).

I did read him saying that philosophy had so much bullshit in it, that it wasn't worth the time wading through all the bullshit to get to whatever few real insights there were. I have to completely agree with that assessment.

[Anonymous No.14601461]

>>14601438
I'm sorry, but this is all just nonsense. Have you ever given any thought to the possibility that he simply developed a system of thought based on facts?

[Anonymous No.14601468]

>>14598729
then how do you know they're a hack?

[Anonymous No.14601478]

>>14597406
>this thread
>is
>filled with
>brainlets!

[Anonymous No.14601483]

>>14601461
no, ive read most of elluls stuff, and teds manifesto, and honestly theres such similarity it cant be discounted.

plus ted said he was reading ellul when he was 21

[Anonymous No.14601498]

>>14601483
ok. but you can't just assume that ted "parroted" from ellul. if Ted felt the way he felt based on the facts, then he wrote the manifesto based on the facts, and ellul is similar. Ted even says that he felt great that someone else (ellul) felt very similar to him about the facts. You are attributing ((motive)) to ted when you imply it was simply "parroted" when have absolutely no evidence other than your propaganda conditioning.

And anyway, Kaczynski's books go far beyond Ellul, and are far more systematic and logically rigorous. it's absurd to talk about "parroting."

[Anonymous No.14601524]

>>14598416
academic pseuds btfo

[Anonymous No.14601528]

>>14597481
Field guides and edible plants books are based as hell. If you don't have them you're probably a fag.

[Anonymous No.14601534]

>>14601524
That quote is not from the manifesto. it is from Kaczynski's essay "The System's Neatest Trick" which is probably the most relevant essay to the culture wars--from Black Lives Matter to college campus craziness.

[Anonymous No.14601537]

>>14601461
He's a moralist, nothing is factual with him. He confirms his biases with language and that's it. Bottom line is that you can't just have some tech like he thought / wanted.

[Anonymous No.14601542]

>>14597441
>mothman
always cracks me up

[Anonymous No.14601549]

>>14601537
You're a liar or an idiot. I'm not quite sure. Anyway, I'm going to bed.

btw, if he is simply a "moralist" as you claim, then he's the most moral man alive.

[Anonymous No.14601568]

>>14597406

[Anonymous No.14601567]

>>14598048
half of the papers seized from his cabin pertain to the minnesota twin studies, which completely destroy the left's blank slate lies

[Anonymous No.14601576]

>>14601549
Most moral man alive means he won the Special Olympics. Not something I'd celebrate being desu

Also, I'm not "lying," just stating the reality of it. Industrialization was inevitable because it happened in our universe and not any other outcome happened. Cave drawings and fire and wooden spears were bound to result in advanced mechanization and reproduction. Why? Because humanity is curious and it is evil.

[Anonymous No.14601583]

>>14601534
That essay is based to hell and back

[Anonymous No.14601590]

>>14601568
That knight's armor and sword are forms of technology and the technological state of mankind during the medieval era also resulted in all kinds of suffering and torment for people. There is no state where suffering is completely absent, besides death.

[Anonymous No.14601600]

>>14601576
you're just regurgitating education and propaganda now.

"curiosity" as a motive of scientists (??!!) that is laughably naive. it's just plain absurd.

Your argument boils down to "it happened" therefore it is inevitable. But it's not inevitable in the sense that old age is inevitable, it's made possible due to to the activities of human beings subject to specific social forces.

I'd love to carry on this debate with you but I HAVE TO GO TO BED!!

[Anonymous No.14601610]

>>14601590

[Anonymous No.14601619]

>>14601583
but there is one that tops that, believe it or not. the essay "Letter to Dr. P.B. on the Motives of Scientists" in the latest edition of "Technological Slavery"

It completely blows apart the silly myth that scientists are just morally neutral agents trying to do the best for humanity.

[Anonymous No.14601621]

>>14601610
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.14601626]

>>14598416

You are a dense motherfucker probably paying at the ass for an “education”. How many philosophers did Socrates read? How could he have been smart if he didn’t know his 18th century continental philosophy...

[Anonymous No.14601629]

>>14601621
All of these arguments are addressed in the book Technological Slavery and the manifesto (which you've claimed to read).

[Anonymous No.14601632]

>>14601626
Why are Socrates and a man who lived thousands of years later with far more to read being held to the same standard?

[Anonymous No.14601634]

>>14601626
kek. this.

[Anonymous No.14601639]

>>14601629
No they aren't. Thinking man's lust for power can ever be sated is naive. We find solutions, things get easy, we get bored, we stir up trouble again. Rinse and repeat forever.

[Anonymous No.14601640]

>>14601632
jesus you're a fucking brainlet. is that why you hang out on /lit/ to feel smarter?

[Anonymous No.14601645]

>>14601640
Answer the fucking question, faggot. Why are you holding them to the same standard? What point are you even trying to make with that illogical fucking argument?

[Anonymous No.14601652]

>>14601639
already addressed. we don't think man's lust for power can be sated. (and we think that is a good thing) humans NEED power to live fulfilling lives. not power over other people, but power through nature (power over the meaningful circumstances of their lives)

it's not about modifying man or quelling his lust for power. it's about materially making it impossible for the industrial system to reform post collapse due to resource exhaustion and several other reasons.

jesus you really haven't read the books or you haven't understood them.

[Anonymous No.14601655]

>>14601645
I've already addressed this.>>14601453

facts > reasoning > argument

where does the need for other "philosophers" come in???

[Anonymous No.14601657]

>>14601645
So if he read the entire western canon and made stupid opinions that would be better?

[Anonymous No.14601664]

>>14601657
lol. this. 100% I love you bro. And on that note I'm going to bed.

[Anonymous No.14601665]

>>14601652
>not power over other people, but power through nature
Same thing. You really don't understand what lust for power means for humans, do you? As soon as nature is in control, it wants to overpower others too.

>resource exhaustion
We will clone or travel into space at that point. Or genocide billions and start again.

[Anonymous No.14601670]

>>14601665
Doesn't work that way. There are things you need to build up a civilization like low tech energy supplies (oil, coal). When you exhausted easily extracted supplies that took hundreds of millions of years to build up then blow yourself up, you can't just start over .... at least not for a really, really long time.

[Anonymous No.14601673]

>>14601665
>muh space
holy cope

[Anonymous No.14601677]

>>14601665
>Same thing. You really don't understand what lust for power means for humans, do you? As soon as nature is in control, it wants to overpower others too.
>makes no logical sense and completely misses the point

>We will clone or travel into space at that point. Or genocide billions and start again.
>completely misses the point.


"Bleep. Bloop. Bleep. Bloop. Elon Musk. Mars Colony. Existential Risk. Multi-Planet Species. A.I. Goal Alignment. Progress. Space Travel. Bleep Bloop"

[Anonymous No.14601680]

>>14601673
lolololol

[Anonymous No.14601722]

>>14601657
It would certainly be worth a lot more in the context of a discussion on his validity since we'd know he's not worked up on anything naive

[Anonymous No.14601740]

>>14601619
>"Letter to Dr. P.B. on the Motives of Scientists" in the latest edition of "Technological Slavery"
Is there a pdf of this somewhere?

[Anonymous No.14601761]

>>14601722
yeah, fuck this brainlet pseud. i bet he hasn't even read maya angelou or chinua achebe

[Anonymous No.14601782]

What would Ted think of the Corona virus?

[Anonymous No.14601787]

>>14601761
Pretending to miss the point doesn't make your case any more convincing champ

[Anonymous No.14601789]

yes our learned academics are the only serious thinkers. from hegel directly apprehending the mind of god to contemporary discussions on why being a eunuch is a good thing, it's all vital stuff

[Anonymous No.14601806]

>>14601639
>Thinking man's lust for power can ever be sated
his manifesto is 30 pages long and literally none of you retards even manage to read it before screeching about it, unbelievable

[Anonymous No.14601811]

>>14601722
>we'd know he's not worked up on anything naive
this is retarded. how would you "know" this? how would you know that the other philosophers weren't themselves naive or incorrect? because you choose to believe this???

[Anonymous No.14601814]

>>14598447
>get book from library
>go to your cabin in the woods so the library mafia will never find you
yeah, I think he's based

[Anonymous No.14601817]

>>14601806
The guy was a psycho nutbar who lived in the woods. Get a grip.

[Anonymous No.14601820]

>>14601740
You have to get the latest edition of "Technological Slavery" Here:

https://www.amazon.com/Technological-Slavery-Theodore-Kaczynski/dp/1944228012/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=technological+slavery&qid=1579943821&sr=8-1

[Anonymous No.14601826]

>>14601817
>psycho nutbar
BLEEP BLOOP BLEEP BLOOP bomber man bad psycho schizo killed people killing bad live in cabin crazy crazy to live in forest crazy crazy BLEEP BLOOP

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[Anonymous No.14601907]

>>14598047
yes he quit academic mathematics the moment he read Reign of Quantity and learned that spacetime is a scam

[Anonymous No.14601913]

>>14601432
this, >>14600544 is a retard to think that there is any overlap between Kaczynskian thought and leftist politics. Leftists are universally technooptimists and only want to change the sphere of distribution while maintaining industrial production based on division of labour. Ted was both anticap and anti-technology

[Anonymous No.14601941]

>>14597406

Doesn't matter.
Ted didn't write what he had learned he wrote what he knew.

[Anonymous No.14602106]

>>14597481
Logic and math is philosophy faggot kill yourself

[Anonymous No.14602112]

>>14598405
Politics. Logic. Math. Booked.

[Anonymous No.14602116]

>>14598428
Theory was in logic and discrete maths>>14598446

[Anonymous No.14602463]

>>14598749
>>14601365
>appropriating basic high school math to come up with completely unrelated metaphors for human events
Absolute garbage.

[Anonymous No.14602787]

>>14601670
Assuming resource exhaustion is really that serious of a threat to us right now and not fabricated bullshit / something we are centuries away from, we aren't that far from having alternative systems for many of the resources you're deeming near-exhausted anyway.

[Anonymous No.14602844]

>>14598048
An astoundingly idiotic post, a glaring example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You should do some introspection (if you are physically even possible to) about the idea, and I'm not being "4chan funny and just saying something edgy to shock people" that maybe you're an enormous fucking idiot. Really chew on that idea, I want you to screencap this post and print it out and tape it to your bathroom mirror and everyday you're shaving or brushing your teeth or whatever to REALLY think this through. I implore you to not reject this as trolling or a joke, I truly mean this.

Only someone with just a tiny bit of grey matter barely more than a brainstem could formulate such a monstrously moronic comment that a man of which the very crux of his argument that leftism can never actually address the problems of environmentalism and those answers have to come from a hard right place. Such a shocking display of dim-wittedness has lowered the IQ of everyone here. Have a good day and go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.14602930]

>>14598405
>Why do geniuses have different political views than me? Despite being objective geniuses in other things, it MUST BE that they're wrong about THIS AREA because I disagree with them. Of course this shouldn't be a sign that maybe through introspection realize that I'm wrong here. Nope, can't be. Being an NPC is wonderful.

[Anonymous No.14602972]

>>14598405
Because being a genius in a specialized field doesn't mean you'll be one in other specialized fields or especially in the field of all fields (i.e., philosophy).

[Anonymous No.14603121]

>>14597406
Jack London

[Anonymous No.14605011]

Bump

[Anonymous No.14605065]

>>14597430
>"companion to" book
Lel midwit

[Anonymous No.14605247]

>>14597430
>A Finnish grammar
>Cartas Finlandesas
BAAAAAAASED

[Anonymous No.14606364]

>>14602463
>Doesn't understand the difference between a metaphor and a joke
>Muh retarded high schoolers