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[Anonymous No.14593603]

100 Seconds To Midnight Edition
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[Anonymous No.14593617]

nominations and voting for the last short read end tonight. island of dr moreau in the lead w/ 4 votes. next month back to novels

[Anonymous No.14593623]

second for branderhag a fak and discord suck

[Anonymous No.14593639]

What's the official /lit/-approved stance on Sheckley? (Fantasy midwits need not respond)

[Anonymous No.14593643]

>>14593639
He's dead bro

[Anonymous No.14593646]

>>14593639
The only thing I've particularly liked from him is One Man's Poison. I've read several of his short works. I may look at some of this novels sometime.

[Anonymous No.14593699]

>>14593603
How would you describe a pre-apocalyptic book?

[Anonymous No.14593713]

>>14593699
probably something like Forge of God, where you know the earth is fucked and can't do anything about it

[Anonymous No.14593787]

Let's hear your worldbuilding / fantasy novel concept. Don't hold back; you neither have the talent nor the willpower to ever put it to words, let alone obtain a publishing deal.

[Anonymous No.14593809]

>>14593699
An significant part of the book takes place before an apocalyptic event.

[Anonymous No.14593852]

Discord suck

[Anonymous No.14593853]

>>14593787
I’m gonna write it next year after I finish reading my 17 writing books that I started reading this year (2 and a half books down) while doing cardio at the gym, then I’m gonna read a few novels that have been on my bucket list, and once I’m done with all that I’ll start in 2021. I completely do not care about publishing, as I’m putting it online for free.

Just talking about it is no fun, and I find it gives a false sense of accomplishment and deflates my own excitement. Plus revealing it slowly throughout the story is way more compelling than just stating it outright. Self sabotage is a thing!

[Anonymous No.14593861]

>>14593713
>>14593809
Like Seveneves?

[Anonymous No.14593869]

>>14593787
There are women who exhibit feline qualities.
I'm still working on the rest.

[Anonymous No.14593882]

>>14593787
English is actually an agglutinative language related to Finnish but oppressed by Latin-centric nihilists. It's a lost dialect left over from the days of the Ancient Finnish Empire. Anglos are an engineered race designed by both the best and cruellest Finnish engineers and scientists and visionaries to, in the future (modern history), wreak havoc upon the world in retribution for the oppression of the Finnic races throughout history as they foresaw their demise and lessened innate power.

[Anonymous No.14593910]

>>14593869
I'd read it.

[Anonymous No.14593912]

>>14593787
Dubstep space battles

Having foursomes with three clones with red white and blue hair names Carrie, Terry, and Marie

In atmosphere battles between space pirates where the captain has to climb on top of the bow of a space ship and manually direct fire as their equipment is down

Really silly quotes

A girl hiding her penis in her bikini and trying to sneak into a joint

[Anonymous No.14593990]

>>14593787
> you neither have the talent nor the willpower to ever put it to words
Wrong!

"Idealistic and full of hope, Jak Barnswallow grows weary of wasting his youth on his father's farm. He wants to make a difference in the world. He wants to be a hero.

Welcome to Genesis, a continent on the brink of a genocidal war. Two powerful nations stand at each others' throats, both with rigid ideologies that demand the annihilation of the other. In the middle stands beautiful Chateau Cascade, the castle on the waterfall. Young Jak dreams of the Chateau and of becoming one of its glorious Cascadian Knights, the keepers of this world's peace.

Times are changing for Jak and for Genesis. When he is thrust into the midst of a conflict that looms large over the entire world, he must decide for himself what kind of man he truly wants to be. Unlikely and decidedly unideal companions join him on this dangerous adventure, teaching him that sometimes a hero is not what you might expect or want it to be.

Above his struggle, the mysterious Lady Acelia, queen of the Chateau, watches, waits, and machinates. All will serve as pawns in her schemes."

[Anonymous No.14594039]

>>14593990
Jak should stop swallowing and let the cascade flow to his nether regions, setting a good example for Lady Acelia and other Genesis females.

[Anonymous No.14594078]

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[Anonymous No.14594092]

>>14593990
I kinda wanna make one of these for the novel I haven’t yet written, but I don’t wanna get bullied or have people tell me it sounds dumb, so I will just make one for me

[Anonymous No.14594096]

>>14594092
sounds dumb

[Anonymous No.14594110]

>>14594092
I didn't write my blurb until I was totally done. Interesting idea to write it beforehand. Might be good inspiration.
>have people tell me it sounds dumb
People will do this no matter what you write, just learn to ignore them.

[Anonymous No.14594183]

Recommend me a book based off this image

[Anonymous No.14594197]

>>14594183
library at mount char

[Anonymous No.14594224]

>>14594096
Aw cheese there it is

>>14594110
Yeah itd be purely for inspiration, I made a faux book cover once for that purpose

[Anonymous No.14594335]

Continuing my exploration of fantasy/sci-fi. Need something new to read.
Finished:
Dune, Licanius Trilogy, The First Law, The Broken Earth, Memory Sorrow and Thorn, The Wheel of Time, Nightflyers

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight), A Song of Ice and Fire

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company

Did Caeden ever truly have a choice?

[Anonymous No.14594425]

>>14593990
Premise sounds fun but I hate the scheming master manipulator noble woman archetype. I ain't attacking you or your work, just something of mine. Also I think this premise sounds fun to me because I love Gormenghast.

Did you write it? Is it selling? How are you feeling after having finished a damn book? 99% of people never get to even start writing a word, and this stands ESPECIALLY true for the lazy assholes in this thread.
That's also what I'm striving for. Just finish my novel and publish it. Even if it NEVER sells a single copy. Writing a book is downright laudable, the fact that someone had enough dedication and discipline to put in the hours and the work speaks volumes. Literally.

[Anonymous No.14594430]

>>14594335
Skipping 3 of the best books out there in the world?

[Anonymous No.14594434]

https://pastebin.com/2pMp7v31
An excerpt from a fantasy novel. I use it as wish fulfillment to simulate the experience of having a girlfriend

[Anonymous No.14594437]

>>14593787
Worldbuilding is dumb. It's alright to have internal consistency but try to write a story, not write a world for a story to fit in.

[Anonymous No.14594458]

>>14594430
I don't like the sound of the black company's premise. The book of the new sun has a bad audiobook reader. The Prince of Nothing was stupid.

[Anonymous No.14594467]

>>14594425
>hate the scheming master manipulator noble woman archetype
Sure, understandable. I think you might be pleasantly surprised at the way it's handled in the book, though.
>Did you write it?
Yes.
>Is it selling?
Not really. I need to do research on marketing, I think.
>How are you feeling after having finished a damn book?
Great, desu. I am especially excited to write the sequel. Writing a book somehow made me more interested in telling the whole story.

100% agree with the rest of your post. Thanks man! Good luck with your novel - if you just keep working at it every day, you'll get it done.

>>14594437
Hard disagree desu. Write a world, then decide what kind of stories would be interesting in that world.

[Anonymous No.14594474]

>>14594467
>Write a world, then decide what kind of stories would be interesting in that world.
unbased and dndpilled

[Anonymous No.14594479]

>>14593787
It's mecha but the robots rap battle

[Anonymous No.14594509]

>>14593990
fuck off

[Anonymous No.14594514]

Traveller's Rest by David I. Masson is a great sci-fi short story.

>>14593787
I want to write a story about MC being not human somehow but I haven't the plot idea just yet, or more specifically, the why.

[Anonymous No.14594516]

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[Anonymous No.14594544]

>>14594514
>I want to write a story about MC being not human somehow but I haven't the plot idea just yet, or more specifically, the why.
like blade runner?

[Anonymous No.14594550]

>>14593990
How many books have you sold and how much money did you make? Did you any kind of marketing? Do you have any kind of follower?

[Anonymous No.14594561]

>>14593990
Seems compelling. Might actually buy this.

[Anonymous No.14594567]

>>14594550
Would rather not get into specific numbers, but it's less than I'd like so far. I will say that Amazon takes 30% of what you make on eBooks and 40%+printing fees of what you make on hardcopies. Printing fees vary by paper type and some other factors but are around four bucks for me.
>Did you any kind of marketing?
Nothing substantial yet. A few posts here and there on Reddit.
>Do you have any kind of follower?
Sort of - I have a twitch and youtube channel with a few hundred followers/subs. I'm one of the top players on this incredibly obscure roguelike game. Doesn't really translate to people buying books.
>>14594561
Thanks. If you do, I hope you like it.

[Anonymous No.14594572]

>>14594544
Nah never even seen it although I've read the book. More scaled back, younger not!human or maybe older like an immortal legend that visits post-human settlements, idk.

[Anonymous No.14594577]

>>14594335
Borne by Jeff Vandermeer ('weird', dreamy story)

Red Sister by Mark Lawrence (more traditional fantasy)

I have to ask about Licanius, were you bothered at all about the power levels? I only read the first book then dropped it, that ends with Caeden showing up with a magic sword and killing a hundred soldiers easily. I want to like it because the time travel aspect is really cool, but everything feels too easy, and I don't care about any of the characters.

[Anonymous No.14594581]

>>14593787
What I'm writing can be characterized as "fantasy of manners" or "sentimental comedy"

It starts small and wholesome as we follow a shape-shifting creature infiltrating human affairs. We see into its mind as it plans its every move, how it goes through every minuscule detail, its mindset when interacting with different people, even down to picking clothing materials, combining different colours for outfits to achieve a certain effect, facial mimicking, body language, all that good stuff. It's mostly experimental writing, very focused on little details that can and will go unnoticed if speedreading.
A simple interaction between 2 characters can be described at lengths, for pages, from the way they chose to greet each other, the words they picked and why, each clothing piece and its purpose, what is being discussed and why, even the time of the day is being analyzed. I'm having a lot of fun writing this.

Of course, behind the scenes there is a lot of darkness and shadows floating about, and the astute reader could perhaps pick up bits and hints. Even the end revelation of the story is actually revealed in the first bit of the book (start of the second chapter) but even if I tell you this, and you read it, you still won't know until you get to the very end and you go "Ah ha!"

I'm a very big fan of Book of the New Sun, Foundation, Gormenghast. I like a simple story or even no story at all, as long as it's masterfully written and the details interwoven.

[Anonymous No.14594587]

>>14593787
Pirate World

[Anonymous No.14594605]

>>14594335
Didn't I give you a chart a few threads back?

[Anonymous No.14594633]

>>14593787
Im doing mil sci fi, with a dash of nick land and finance fiction. Its at 80k words. I completed one 56k short novel, now I am bringing it all together with a squeal.

The gimmick of this "world," is that FTL capable ships can go to any universe possible through a lot of potential universes very quickly. Makes for great action when there a Graham's number of intelligent ships.

Here's an except:

The Gship Inciting Incident came tumbling into space. Blone was taking it all in and trying to forget. Suicides increased several hundred thousand percent momentarily until laws were changed to redefine the term. People desynced and flooded out to other universes. Going faster than light became a commodity. AI fused with hyperspaced hardware as it made the stream watch credit card commercials. Surviving natives hawked voodoo mind mapping practices. State control ran through the local stack. Collective reality was now defined by bending many into one. Uncertainty had not ended. Adhocracy could only see an hour into the future. Earth declared a humanitarian emergency. Warship orders spiked. Between commercial breaks the stream was content with following their new president. Inciting Incident leaned down to the surface for a closer look.

Gluos had forgone sleep and ignored the non-trivial number of calls and messages piling into his administration. Finally abandoning solitude late at night. Wonks could not speculate on his policy as of yet. Media relentlessly tracked him. Waves intensely communicated emotions emanated from wherever he went. A panic under neon lights of City streets as he left a car. Unsynchronized bodies of a deranged attacker bursting outwards. Offenders were fielded and moved away instantly after. The single remaining weeping man was moved to the nearest acro. Gluos went inside with his head down.

An initial cabinet was formed in the bathroom of a downtown nightclub. Adrenaline and throx kept them hallucinating. They isolated themselves in a stall until supplies ran out. After a brawl with security they exited the building in the presidential coupe. The cabinet then met at a C-Town seafood restaurant where Gluos was seen vomiting into the ocean while hanging from the edge of a pier. Executive orders flowed from the most productive session of government in two years. Contentions over the final tab flared into smashed screens and pepper spray. Afterwards their location was lost for several hours. In dawn light a farmer’s hovering sheepdog drone caught a glimpse of his contorted face as he crashed a golf cart through a fence that bordered the presidential mountain chalet nested northwest in Arspem.

>if anyone reads this and helps me kill darlings I'll do crit for crit

[Anonymous No.14594647]

>>14594577
I'll give Borne a go, just to try and push myself into stranger territory. But if it doesn't hold my interest, then I'll fall back on Red sister.

As for power levels, I know what you mean. I rolled my eyes at that too. But I steamrolled into book 2, and the book did not going into the direction of OP super battles. Rather, it did a deep journey into Caeden's past, getting into philosophical ideas regarding theology, and questioning the ethical use of the powers everyone has. There are some ridiculously overpowered stuff that happens in book 2 and 3. But you have to understand Caeden's past, in order for it to come into perspective. And that's what the second book does. Thoroughly. The powers that characters have begin to matter less and less. While the ethics of such power are explored more and more.

[Anonymous No.14594650]

>>14594605
Yeah. And like I said before, I can't decide when given too many choices.

[Anonymous No.14594729]

>>14594647
OP stuff is fine as long as its known beforehand, not if it's used to casually defeat something that's had a long build up. So to be clear do books 2-3 have any of the casually winning because magic shenanigans that book 1 had?

[Anonymous No.14594733]

>>14594650
Then I gave you two.
Wolfhound Century and something more than night

[Anonymous No.14594765]

>>14594729
They have casual wins and losses, due to magic shenanigans. Only you are made privy to the magic beforehand this time. Still, can any amount of forewarning prepare you for the utter one-sidedness of some battles? I can't say. I'll only say that power levels stops mattering, once you understand the Caeden the the world more.

>>14594733
Sorry, if you mentioned those before, I already forgot them. Next time perhaps.

[Anonymous No.14594774]

>>14593787
In 2028 Yellowstone has a partial eruption, the US is already weakened after the dollar was removed from market domination. This is the last nail in the coffin and the US collapses. 50 years later its a Cyber punk but set on the out side of the mega cites. The suburban wasteland are run by warlords fighting for scraps of technology and resources. Corporate drones and prison workers are staring to move in and scavenge for themselves. In the west the Mormons have founded the nation of Zion and are starting to expand. There is a massive ash-wasteland that kills most life it reaches do to the micro volcanic glass shards.

[Anonymous No.14594799]

>>14593787
Basically a swap of Humans being the dominant species but with Elves set in a post collapse, for the lack of a better term: "Viking-Age" setting.

>It's back to feudal days where Kings plot to rule what other kings have.
>Set after a fairly long time Human Empires fell - still haven't decided how long ago - during their reign they fucked the other races, both literally and figuratively.
>Humans while in their reign enforced a fake religion upon the Elves, see Classical Zoroastrianism as what I'm basing it off of, but with strict "No friends allowed" being enforced by the state.
>Very light Smut, I kind of want that one element to be shocking and people to go "That's disgusting". Not 80's b-movie "Let's put rape in our movie for T&A", but things that make the reader squirm knowing the real world complications and taboo.
>What 'Elves' were (Slavic inspiration) are not the Elves of today, since their "bloodline" consists of more Human Blood than Elven Blood, however they maintain some Elvish features. Mainly trope related stuff.
>Elven blood is rumoured to have a magical property to it, but only refined bloodlines can use the power of their ancient heritage (to what degree I haven't decided).
>Prophecies, Divination and Oracles are a major theme
>Main plot focusing on a family of Human-Ancestor Elves who's predicted to bring the "Ally", who will bring all Elf-folk under one old and ancient religion (Eyeing African and other Arabic religions for inspiration as a lot of them have some form of deification).

I don't think it'll be a publishable story given how I like to write dialogue as mostly melodrama, also writing action for me is difficult so it might be good practice.
We'll see, I might do an online release for it at some stage if people are interested in seeing how it's going.

[Anonymous No.14594889]

I just finished Snow Crash on a friend's recommendation. Audible has a really good audiobook of it. The narrator has a good voice, he does different voices for each character, his dramatic reading of it is done very well, the audio flourishes before each chapter and between sections was a nice touch. I liked the book overall. The author has a lot of charm, considering half the book is stuff that the weird kid in high school who wear trench coats would think was cool, the book was never cringey which was quite an accomplishment. I rolled my eyes at the obvious racial resentments of the author but other than that it was a good listen. Ended a bit abruptly though.

I liked the little things the author would write to spice up the prose. i.e. "Hiro didn't even have time to assume the proper stance. That was okay though, because he had already assumed the stance." Made me smile. The book is sprinkled liberally with little sentences and mentions and quips like that. Overall enjoyed it, would recommend it to any fan of science fiction. /blogpost

[Anonymous No.14594936]

>>14594889
even all the ancient language babylon shit was okay. i really liked that version of america as a setting too, and the intro is some of the best stuff you can read damn.

or when the federal worker had to piss in a tray for a drug test.

[Anonymous No.14594944]

>>14594936
Yeah the last third of the book was kind of an exposition dump. I speculate that the author was pressured by the publisher to finish the book. I was amused that he wasn't able to finish it without including a scene of YT getting fucked. In meticulous detail, strictly for the prose of course.

[Anonymous No.14594959]

Are the Neuromancer sequels worth checking out? I got a hankering for more Cyberpunk

[Anonymous No.14594973]

>>14594944
YT is too pure to be lewded

[Anonymous No.14594976]

>>14594944
>wasn't able to finish it without
that scene contrasted hiro and the other guy - hiro wouldn't fuck YT because she was too young, other guy gets right to business. it had a purpose.

[Anonymous No.14595208]

>>14594973
YT was a cool character and I liked her but I would hate to have to spend any time with her. What a headache that would be. Fun to read about, though.

>>14594976
Raven was a pretty neat character too. I didn't really see Hiro and Raven as specifically being contrasted. They hardly even opposed each other ideologically. Raven had no loyalty to anybody or anything, he only had a vague desire for revenge against everything around him and Hiro was just trying to save Juanita and not get Snow Crashed. They were enemies but only because of coincidence. That's how I saw it anyway.

[Anonymous No.14595273]

>>14594944
>YT getting fucked in meticulous detail
To me at least it seems like that scene exists purely for the antirape device

>>14594973
pure slut

[Anonymous No.14595279]

>>14595273
>To me at least it seems like that scene exists purely for the antirape device
That was definitely part of it. I have a hard time believing it wasn't just a good excuse for mid-book cunnyposting though.

[Anonymous No.14595291]

>>14595208
you can contrast characters that aren't enemies. you have to admit that they have similarities - about the same age, proficient in cyberspace. they could've gone to the same nerdy high school. we're shown two people who are both alike and different, not an uncommon literary device.

[Anonymous No.14595296]

>>14595291
Okay, now I understand what you meant. I see that.

[Anonymous No.14595577]

What high fantasy series should I read?

[Anonymous No.14595623]

>>14595577
Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.14595624]

>>14595577
fuck off. So sick of you weed faggots interjecting your shitty drug into everything

[Anonymous No.14595786]

>>14595623
Ok
>>14595624
Weed is for faggots

[Anonymous No.14595815]

>>14595623
Dif anon but I came here to say I just finished the Lyonesse series and jesus christ I loved it. Anything else on this level anons?

[Anonymous No.14595854]

>>14593787
It's exactly like our world except writefags are not allowed in /sffg/ and "worldbuilders" stay on /tg/.

[Anonymous No.14595865]

this week's reading is The Island of Dr Moreau, by HG Wells: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6265974-the-island-of-dr-moreau

nominations are open again for next month's read, back to novels

[Anonymous No.14595869]

>>14594633
>Gluos had forgone sleep and ignored the non-trivial number of calls and messages piling into his administration

Please burn all of your writings

[Anonymous No.14595871]

>>14595854

[Anonymous No.14595884]

>>14594633
I can't tell what the fuck is going on, write a blurb

[Anonymous No.14595895]

>>14594959
Arguably yes. The main characters aren't terribly interesting though, but neither was the guy from Neuromancer whose name I can't even remember.

[Anonymous No.14595901]

>>14595291
IIRC both their dads were in the same POW camp outside Nagasaki during WWII.

[Anonymous No.14595917]

>>14595901
yeah snow crash shows how the choices we make (and choices made for us) can take us from the same starting point to different end points. cryptonomicon also shows different generations interacting.

[Anonymous No.14596036]

I just found a blog called "Glorious Trash" that has a ton of reviews of old pulp novels if anyone is looking for some more offbeat stuff to read, clipping from a review of the "Phoenix" series of post-apocalyptic books:
>Phoenix sidestepped the swing as its momentum jerked the Pagan around, and roundhouse kicked into the lower back area on the follow through, shattering the punk's spinal cord and shooting fragments of lumbar vertebrae through his kidneys like small bore bullets. His bladder exploded, spraying his lungs with hot urine. The Pagan vomited up chunks of his stomach and flopped over backward, kicking his legs in the air as he shit his pants and died.

[Anonymous No.14596038]

>>14594467
>Write a world, then decide what kind of stories would be interesting in that world
if you believe that then you lost me

[Anonymous No.14596065]

>>14594799
~15 years ago, I would've read something like this and been like "Wow, that's a really interesting premise anon". But now it sounds more akin to something like "This is like Dune/WoT/etc. but..."

I'm not saying you're copying the Herberts or Rigney/Jordan.
It's just that it sounds close enough to the point where I think "What makes this any different than what I've read already."
If you're focusing on stuff that you feel hasn't been done before or is underdone; then go for it.
But if you're writing another boy becomes a god story you'd probably have to take a step back.
Look at other possible stories that could be told that might stand out from already existing pieces.

Also, I guess you're implying either Sexual Slavery, Incest, Floor tiles or some other relatively hush-hush topic?
Keep that to a minimum. If you have to have something for the point of the story, fine.
It stops it from being one of those trash dinosaur-fucker meme novels you see people post sometimes.

To be honest I'd read a decent tale like that anon.
But if it's been written before, no one's going to care.

[Anonymous No.14596076]

>>14595815
LOTR, on the chance you haven't read it yet

[Anonymous No.14596229]

Is there good book about genre fiction dialogue writing? Preferably fantasy, with tons of examples etc.

[Anonymous No.14596392]

>>14593787
Flowery worded scifi with a ton of purple prose and detailed descriptions of what is being observed.
I'm talking hard scifi within what we understand as normal physics, but high concept. Star-powered matrioska artificial brains, Dyson swarms, terraforming, gas giant chainsaws, miniature black holes powered ships, star ascension and harvesting, generation ships, planet flinging, things like that. The novel has a dash of soft scifi in order to make things interesting and concepts have sense in the universe. Stuff such as aliens, telepathy, life beyond death, intergalactic conscience are present. These are not necessarily impossible to occur in the universe, but are not present in our own universe.

[Anonymous No.14596423]

I'm getting really sick and tired of the "[character] lives in [city] and everything in [city] sucks" setting.

[Anonymous No.14596596]

I don't remember the title of the book, but it was suggested on /lit/. It is a book described with a gloomy and gothic mood, set in a decaying medieval castle. I think the book was written in the 60s-80s. Any help?

[Anonymous No.14596613]

>>14593787
>>14595854
It's a sad day for sffg. What have we become.

[Anonymous No.14596637]

>>14596596
Gormenghast

[Anonymous No.14596650]

>>14596637
It was bait. He wanted someone else (or himself) to answer it so he could start discussion. It's a tried and true tactic.

[Anonymous No.14596669]

>>14596637
Thanks. I think this is the one. Do you recommend to start with Titus Groan, or just skip straigth to Gormenghast?

[Anonymous No.14596791]

>>14596669
Start with the the beginning, my mellon.

[Anonymous No.14596817]

>>14596791
Thanks. I upvoted your post.

[Anonymous No.14596819]

>>14596669
>skip straigth to Gormenghast
Anyway, you might skip the third book. The first two are amazing.

[Anonymous No.14597002]

>gormengshit lovers in my sffg

[Anonymous No.14597006]

>>14596650
You're bait, and your whinging is also tried and true.

[Anonymous No.14597034]

Uncrowned by Will Wight was really disappointed, fuck. The series is still a fun and easy read but I think I'm done. Anything similar, but better and already finished?

[Anonymous No.14597035]

>>14597006
It's tried and fail, you mean. All these years and they still infest the general.

[Anonymous No.14597043]

>>14597034
Hi Mr Chink. Were you expecting more bugman mentality? More Chinese disregard for life? Maybe some raping of infants to cultivate the suffering chi?

[Anonymous No.14597075]

>>14597035
:3
<3

[Anonymous No.14597085]

>>14594458
what does the audiobook have to do with the book?

[Anonymous No.14597103]

>catfag is a gormenghast fag
I'm not surprised, really.

[Anonymous No.14597108]

Peace of shit Lawrence faggots deserve to be gassed.
Legit worse than Sanderson

[Anonymous No.14597115]

>>14593787
Fuck it.
It's about a culture of hyper religious and extreme vicious tribals whose entire history is just an absolute mess of violence and slavery who have in the past couple centuries started putting on airs of a collection of civilized house to try to curry favour with foreigners, when the topic of abolishing slavery comes up one of the houses with a reputation for being some of the hardest motherfuckers but are now almost completely neutered playing the politics game opposes it and the other houses see it as the perfect opportunity to get rid of them through all out war. After the head of the house, an absolutely abhorrent woman, is assassinated it comes to her daughter who was considered a complete failure and only took charge of the house because she was the sole heir. It's her responsibility to pull together the seven tribes that make up her house and reconnect them with their old tribal warrior ways and lead a bloody war path through the country, ultimately revealing just how much of a show this new "civilized" culture is as desperation increases and the other houses call upon the old tribes.

[Anonymous No.14597123]

>>14597085
Audiobooks narrators breaks or makes a book. There are some absolute shit books that are quite entertaining because the narrator is skilled. Then there are some good books that you want to drop because the narrator is shit.

I think everybody loves large chests is an example. A lot of people don't like the text, but the audio is amazing.

[Anonymous No.14597127]

>>14597123
you don't just read books?

[Anonymous No.14597151]

>>14594335
The Three Body Problem

[Anonymous No.14597159]

>>14597103
Nor should you be. It's one of neatest things I've discovered through this general.

[Anonymous No.14597174]

>>14597127
I can do things while listening to a book. I'm replying to you while I'm listening right now. I can't read text and reply to you, or cook, or do my job simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.14597188]

>>14597159
More neat than catgirls? :3

[Anonymous No.14597237]

>>14597188
Catgirls aren't everything, and most of them I discovered on my own anyway. I still have some recommends from here I haven't read yet though.

[Anonymous No.14597397]

>>14597237
>Catgirls aren't everything
Impostor. Nice try imitating catfag, but to him catgirls is love, catgirls are life.
It's his driving force of existing.
It's what he wakes up for in the morning, and struggles through the daily rat race for.
It's what gives him the sanity to deal with people.
It's what defines the words joy, and hearth.

[Anonymous No.14597449]

>>14597002
Is it too highbrow for this general?

[Anonymous No.14597489]

>>14597449
Try shit

[Anonymous No.14597552]

>>14597397
Thanks, I needed to remember. It's just been too hard lately.

[Anonymous No.14597674]

>>14594335
>reading the broken earth and skipping gene wolfe

I have honestly no idea why you come here for advices

[Anonymous No.14597680]

>>14593787
Civilisation broke down just before the final final apocalypse could happen so the Earth is still good. Isolated all on their own there's a society that are clearly supposed to be the alst white people but you can't actually write that because no one would publish it, and they send their best and brightest man outside of their realm just to check shit out. The rest o fit is just a racist exploration of what other races would be doing without white people (hint: not good)

[Anonymous No.14597737]

Any books that make me feel like the(good ones) warhammer books?
Must admit the
>US vs THEM
Trope is really rad, it makes you feel a sense of unity and purpose.

[Anonymous No.14597935]

>>14596423
stop reading my diary

[Anonymous No.14598362]

>>14596038
At a minimum, it can be an interesting exercise. Not saying it's always the right move, but I enjoy it more.

[Anonymous No.14598631]

>>14593853
>I completely do not care about publishing, as I’m putting it online for free.
I always find it admirable when someone does that (like Peter Watts).

[Anonymous No.14598644]

>>14593990
Not exactly my cup of tea at all but that is one well written synopsis.

[Anonymous No.14598648]

>>14594197
my nigro

[Anonymous No.14598658]

>>14594437
Moore writes that the only function of a story is to lure people into the world.

[Anonymous No.14598661]

>>14598644
Thank you sir.
>>14598631
I'm thinking about doing this. Basically the only reason I haven't is because KU would throw me out if I offered my book for free.

[Anonymous No.14598663]

>>14597737
please guys i need some xenophobe books
please!

[Anonymous No.14598677]

>>14594799
That world holds so many plot opportunities, god damn. I Hope you at least try to write it.

[Anonymous No.14598702]

>>14596392
Sounds very nice. Did you try to write a sample of the prose?

[Anonymous No.14598703]

Am about to start Consider Phlebas, what am I in for?

[Anonymous No.14598719]

>>14598703
A book

[Anonymous No.14598731]

>>14596229
Read ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.14598969]

>>14597397
>all that for fictional beings

[Anonymous No.14598988]

The Romance Writers of America (RWA) has imploded. It was one of the largest writer's organizations in the US. The president of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA) has offered these authors membership if their writing contains any speculative element.

Apparently this has been ongoing since August 2019 but seems I didn't see anything about it until today despite being on various sites I looked at that had articles about it previously.

[Anonymous No.14599009]

>>14598988
>racism controversy
megakek

[Anonymous No.14599018]

>>14598702
Sure. I posted here in the /sffg/ too and people liked it. It's really ornate, atmospheric and full of bright words.

[Anonymous No.14599074]

>>14599018
>people liked it
Unlikely

[Anonymous No.14599097]

>>14599074
Doch. It was generally well received by the like 3 people that read the excerpt. I can post the first 2 or 3 chapters but I'm really reluctant to share anything other than a paragraph with utter strangers on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.14599107]

Are there any good fantasy/horror novels that go balls deep into paganism? Whether completely fictional in a fantasy setting or historical/urban fantasy set in the real world is irrelevant. Wading through the hundreds of Wiccan women's literature to find anything of value is proving more difficult than I initially expected.

[Anonymous No.14599181]

>>14599107
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11901.The_Witching_Hour

[Anonymous No.14599457]

We are dying one day at a time.

[Anonymous No.14599546]

>>14596065
Thanks for the feedback anon.

>"It's just Dune but..."
I had that thought as well, I feel that while Dune may unironically be one of my greatest influences, I'm specifically avoiding Dune-esque lingo and manner of speaking of Religion/Prophecy/Futuresight and it rather being about people without such ability realising that prophecy is or isn't what it claims to be in reality.
Bit hard given that narrative coincedence is a difficult thing to get right.

>"I guess you're implying..."
I mean, you got it right with Incest.
The narrative reason is a spoiler, I see no problem with sharing it because it'd be revealed eventually in text: The Elven blood is so diluted to the point that some Elves literally are just humans with pointy ears, while others that have done selective inter-familial breeding have been able to "Strengthen" the Elven blood and "Reject" the Human blood, but not completely and not by much - but the difference between 0% Elven Blood and 5% Elven Blood (pulling the numbers out my ass, I'll work out the real values) is like being a level 1 fighter, and being able to cast Lightning Bolt.
I honestly don't see it cropping up as often as most people would assume. The presence of inter-familial marriage would be mentioned a fair bit I feel like maybe a good 1/20 of the concept relies on it being that way.
Gotta have naturally occuring lepers, hunchbacks and other inbred traits somehow.

>"If it's been written before..."
Honestly one of my biggest fears is someone saying "It's just like X" but I didn't know X existed or I hadn't read it.

>>14598677
I am writing it, but right now it's mainly practice.
Like I said in my main post, I may post it online sometime because I don't think a publisher would pick it up because of the content and my writing style.

[Anonymous No.14599627]

>>14599181
Anon, forgive my skepticism, but Anne Rice?

[Anonymous No.14599657]

>>14599627
You asked for something, that is the thing that matched what you asked for. if anything you will be edumacated some.

[Anonymous No.14599809]

>>14597085
I'm the anon you were actually replying to. And it's basically that I only listen to audiobooks. And if the reader is bad, then I won't be able to enjoy the book, no matter what the words say.
I don't want to just sit and read words. When my eyes could be doing something.

>>14597674
Which one did Gene Wolfe write again? Why is it normal to use author names when talking about books? I don't get this. It doesn't help me navigate the conversation. Because now I have to recall what Gene Wolfe wrote. And I'm sure he wrote more than one thing. So I have to ignore all the irrelevant titles, and narrow my focus on the one that matters. You would save me the confusion by just stating the book title directly.

[Anonymous No.14599828]

>>14594581
ah, so it's a realist novel about what it's like to have autismo

[Anonymous No.14599852]

>>14599809
>Which one did Gene Wolfe write again?
back to rebbit with you

[Anonymous No.14599908]

>>14599809
Gene Wolfe wrote Book of the New Sun.

[Anonymous No.14599915]

>>14599908
That's a series. I'm still confused. Please provide the exact book you mean.

[Anonymous No.14599927]

>>14599915
It's one book split into 4 volumes with a 5th book written as an epilogue. They are all good and you should read them if you can't stand the audiobook.

[Anonymous No.14599932]

>>14599915
idk which book did you mean dumdum? That's what's written in your own post.

[Anonymous No.14600112]

>>14599852
Sorry, I don't remember people unless they are relevant to my interests. So until I care about his book, I won't care about him.

>>14599908
ok.

>>14599932
>>14599927
He's trolling by pretending to be me.

[Anonymous No.14600130]

>>14599828
I won't lie. Mental illness, dissociative identity disorder, schizophrenia, autism, depression, the inability to fit into any specific crowd, humor at the expense of what is perceived as normal behaviour, these are all big inspirations to write this novel.
Good paragraph to describe the protagonist.
"Fears others, craves the presence of others. Full of hatred of others but still hungry for the love of others."

[Anonymous No.14600134]

Yo /lit/ I finally decided to stop procrastinating and put to paper a story I've had in my head for years. It's a big story and will have 3 books. I pretty much have had the endings for all 3 books planned out for a very long time.

Anyway, my Q is this, what are some good books with fight scenes that well done? My books will have quite a bit in that area so I'd like to see a master's take on writing a good fight scene in novel form.

[Anonymous No.14600143]

>>14600112
That's why you were directed to an environment more suited to you.

[Anonymous No.14600194]

>>14600143
Everyone names books by author everywhere. If I go to reddit, then I bet they'll say "Gene Wolfe" in place of "Book of the New Sun" too. That's just the conventional manner of speech in the world of literature. I wasn't only complaining about 4chan. But the whole book culture.

[Anonymous No.14600244]

>>14600134
First Law. The 3rd book of the first trilogy has a really enjoyable multi-scene battle, and then The Heroes is entirely on 3 days of battles.

[Anonymous No.14600253]

>>14600194
lurk moar you insufferable retard

[Anonymous No.14600367]

>>14600253
LMAO, I'm not reading your guise's inane opinions on various authors. No one says anything of worth or interest in these threads.
>Muh favorite author good. Your favorite author bad.

[Anonymous No.14600436]

>>14595895
To be fair it seems like most cyberpunk protags fall into the "depressed every man" role.

[Anonymous No.14600563]

>>14600367
Thanks for your inane opinion

[Anonymous No.14600583]

Do you guys listen to music while reading or nah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkw2kcQ5Lzs

-

>>14599546
Dune's language/dialogue choice is very specific. People in even the most extreme dramas do not to talk like the character's in Dune, so it should be a lot easier to write dialogue if you're worried about that.
The only thing were I can see you might be nailed is the use of religion and (I assume) the pitfalls and dangers of blind faith.
Like I said; don't do the boy becomes god story, we've got that already.

>Narrative coincidence
I feel like that's not something you should worry about immediately.
Outline what you want the characters to be doing, the general order of events and arcs.
It doesn't need to be a 500+ page right now, a lot of people write 100 pages, and then fill in any gaps and land up with an extra 50-100 pages naturally.

>That
Yes, keep reference to incest to the utmost minimum as possible.
I personally do not care, I jerk it to worse shit, but for the average reader that's a massive brick wall to climb.
The reason is solid but still in the realms of sex fantasy, kind of.
If the culture doesn't understand genetics to the same degree we do, then I think it's safe to say it's an okay-ish reason for that to be catalyst for incest. Otherwise, probably should cut it out for it not to be seen as a sex fantasy.
Also given the setting and the whole feudal lords thing; incest was a real problem/method used to preserve bloodlines, so I can see that being a valid enough reason to mention it - not for it to be a mainstay however.
>But Zoroastrianism is a real thing
Yeah but there's a reason why they're secluded and their practice of faith kept mostly secret though, and it's not because they have private weddings.

[Anonymous No.14600757]

Is Andre Norton any good? Any dinos around?

[Anonymous No.14600960]

>>14598988
>>14599009
This is hilarious and kinda sad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/08/romance-writers-america-cancels-awards-program-writer-racism-controversy/
>Calling the novel a “racist mess,” Milan, who is Chinese American, highlighted a plot line featuring Asian characters with “slightly yellow” skin and “slanted almond eyes,” and noted that the book depicted 19th-century Chinese women as demure, quiet and compliant. “The notion of the submissive Chinese woman is a racist stereotype which fuels higher rates of violence against Asian women,” she wrote. “It is hard not to be upset about something that has done me and my loved ones real harm.”

>Davis, the book’s author, responded to the criticism by filing an ethics complaint with Romance Writers of America. “These attacks on me have resulted in my losing a three-book contract with a publisher whom I cannot name because they fear having their own name linked with Ms. Milan’s,” she wrote, claiming the tweets amounted to “cyber-bullying.”

"I totally lost that non-existent contract I had"

>At the time, Milan served as the chair of Romance Writers of America’s ethics committee. Suzan Tisdale, a romance writer and publisher who works with Davis, questioned the appropriateness of allowing Milan to hold that position in a complaint of her own. “This is akin to putting a neo-Nazi in charge of a UN human rights committee,” she wrote, arguing Davis had been unfairly smeared as a racist after she “immersed herself in the Chinese culture for six years.”

>when the manager of the ethics committee is also ethnic
>and doesn't respect that you went on vacation to Thailand.

>The twin complaints lodged by Davis and Tisdale, who are both white, became public knowledge in December, when Romance Writers of America decided Milan had violated the group’s core mission of creating a “safe and respectful environment.” Just days before Christmas, Milan was informed of the sanctions she would face: a one-year suspension from the group, and a lifetime ban from any leadership positions.

>Even the writers who had complained about Milan’s tweets expressed some level of regret. Tisdale told the Guardian she had only wanted an apology and thought the punishment was too harsh, while Davis walked back her initial claims that she had “lost” a book deal, telling the outlet that the discussion about her contract had only been postponed. She claimed Romance Writers of America’s leadership had encouraged her to file a complaint and she felt they had “used” her.

[Anonymous No.14601101]

>>14593603
new invite sending people to #chat so they'll say hi there instead of in #general

https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m

[Anonymous No.14601185]

>>14594577
>>14594647
Borne is starting to grate on me. At least 1/4th of the entire book is dedicated to wanting to fuck some skinny old man. If I have to read about the "planes of his face" one more time, I might scream. All the stuff regarding Borne is pretty interesting. But it's constantly halted to talk about the monotony of setting traps, and being in not-love with some sickly hermit. Every chapter is like this:
>La, la, setting traps, foraging, survival.
>Borne is doing something.
>But wait, Borne turned the idea on its head with his innocence.
>Oh god Wick's body is so thin, I'm so wet, fuck me, why doesn't he love me.

It's a short book, but man does it feel long. I feel like I'm too far to stop now though. I have to finish it just to say I did. It has all of the imagination of a bad Dreamworks film. Just a girl and her monster in some weird fantasy world. Something that should be a kid's cartoon, but they tried to make it appear more mature with sex and drugs.

[Anonymous No.14601189]

>>14600960
https://www.claireryanauthor.com/blog/2019/12/27/the-implosion-of-the-rwa

[Anonymous No.14601339]

When does the Cradle Series get good? I forced myself through book 1, and I'm on like chapter 2 of book 2 (soulsmith) and I'm still not really into it.
I've heard that this series was supposed to be wuxia done right with better prose, and a more coherent story but I don't find myself engrossed in either the story, the setting, or even the writing style.
I'm no stranger to the wuxia genre, I've read Coiling Dragon, Desolate Era, I Shall Seal The Heavens, Renegan Immortal, Against the gods etc., so I DO know that some of these series take a while to pick up.
So when DOES this series pick, I see that it has universal acclaim, and I don't want to miss a wuxia classic.

[Anonymous No.14601349]

>>14601185
Rip to you since Borne leaves the house halfway through

[Anonymous No.14601361]

>>14601349
I know that already. I stopped(for now) after finished chapter 24. It's still pretty much what I described though. 2/3 of the book passed, and too much of it was retreading the same thing.

[Anonymous No.14601372]

>>14601339
The plot is paper thin. Only a means for the characters to grow stronger. If you are not satisfied by steady power growth, then jump off now. I like it, because there is always more potential around the corner that keeps me hooked. Plus, the powers are cool, and the characters are likeably gray.
I can only tell you that it will get stranger as it goes. As more unique powers are introduced, and you explore different land. But the premise will stay the same: Lindon needs to get stronger.

[Anonymous No.14601378]

>>14601372
Does Lindon ever start fighting fair? I know he's supposed to be weak right now, but I hate how all of his fights so far have boiled down to run away and then bait the enemy into a trap

[Anonymous No.14601385]

>>14601378
No matter how I answer that question, whether I confirm or deny, it is a spoiler. So read the spoiler text at your own risk.
He does eventually come to a level where he can match other fighters punch for punch. However, he never stops being tricky. Figuring out how to overcome the odds in creative ways is his thing.

[Anonymous No.14601405]

>>14601378
Oh and another spoiler that you might want to know.
In Book 2, Lindon gains a companion who can actually fight head-on.

[Anonymous No.14601490]

>>14600583
Yup but it has to be instrumental music. Nothing with drums or voices unless the voices are echoey sounding, or ethereal. The Fields of Ard Skelleg Theme from The Witcher 3 is awesome for reading or writing.

[Anonymous No.14601527]

>>14601339
It has a pussy protagonist, one-dimensional side-characters and a boring plot. Every book is exactly like the one before it
read something good instead

[Anonymous No.14601566]

>>14601527
>pussy protagonist
Lindon is no coward. You're just a gigantic edgelord.

[Anonymous No.14601598]

>>14601189
From skimming this it sounds like things are far more damaging than in the other article. There's a bunch of questionable legal/procedural stuff going on with the group, and now their chapters are either in open revolt against them or are shutting down, their judges are quitting, and publishers/industry groups ("Bookstore Romance Day") are dropping them like a hot potato.

[Anonymous No.14601607]

>>14593639
Recommend me one

[Anonymous No.14601712]

>>14600960
>cyber-bullying

[Anonymous No.14601719]

>>14601607
Mindswap. Its quick and light. Has some strong Douglas Adams vibes (written well before any of his stuff), but the underlying tone is more earnest whismical golden-age sci fi, compared to the cynical snarky modern sci fi tone of Hitchhiker's Guide.

He also has some short stories I really enjoyed: Something for Nothing and A Ticket to Tranai off the top of my head. (Both are collected in Citizen in Space)

[Anonymous No.14601849]

>>14600436
But Gibson's take is almost insulting in how bland the actual protagonists are, and still chicks pine for them. Although I think that's more of an 80s undercurrent, where even Whiny McGenericman needs to be an enormous pussy slayer or he might as well be gay

[Anonymous No.14601880]

>>14599018
Sounds good, I'd love to read more, but I won't post anything on4chan myself so that's not fair to ask.

[Anonymous No.14602182]

>>14594633
Reads as if it was written by a random plot generator.

[Anonymous No.14602210]

>>14600960
>highlighted a plot line featuring Asian characters with “slightly yellow” skin and “slanted almond eyes,” and noted that the book depicted 19th-century Chinese women as demure, quiet and compliant. “The notion of the submissive Chinese woman is a racist stereotype
How horrible!

[Anonymous No.14602321]

>>14601527
You're probably a chink who's mad that cradle doesn't read like your chink novels.

[Anonymous No.14603217]

>another chapter where Syenite is having sex
I like Broken earth so far but damn man, slow it down with the sex scenes.

[Anonymous No.14603288]

It's the very very very distant future but might as well be the past or an entirely other universe, such different are the times.

2 nations of excessively violent and mighty creatures have risen to dominance. Bat-like, and mosquito-like. Both of these creatures require blood to exist, and they allied together in order to subjugate, enslave and enact control upon the entire universe and even beyond. While the bat-aliens act as generals and leaders and masterminds, the quadrillions times quadrillions times quadrillions of mosquito-aliens make up for the thick of their forces, the main army, the horde.
It's a losing battle for every other specie. Nobody can stand up against this unholy coalition.
An organization of xenopologists, scientists, mystics, religious men, soldiers and common folk banded together to form a plan which hangs by a thin thread. A while ago a prophecy was discovered, of a god of hunger and devour and cold and darkness, a means of invoking such energies and seep life out of entire galaxy clusters at a time. The makers of this prophecy have been extinct for millenia and our group of protagonists try to unravel the mystery of this prophecy and their last chance of winning this battle for the survival of every living thing in the universe.

How does it sound lads?

[Anonymous No.14603349]

What should I read next, WoT, Mistborn or Prince of Nothing?

[Anonymous No.14603563]

>>14603349
If you want Grimdark read Prince of Nothing
If you want THE high fantasy coming of age read WoT
If you want anime and descriptions of a teen girls bare feet read Mistborn.

[Anonymous No.14603801]

>"How have I wronged you, Agilus? It seems to me that you have wronged me, or tried to."
>"FIRST BY ENTRAPMENT. YOU CARRIED AN HEIRLOOM WORTH A VILLA ABOUT THE CITY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT IS YOU HAD. AS OWNER IT WAS YOUR DUTY TO KNOW, AND YOU IGNORANCE THREATENS TO COST ME MY LIFE TOMORROW UNLESS YOU FREE ME TONIGHT."
>"SECONDLY BY REFUSING TO ENTERTAIN ANY OFFER TO BUY. IN OUR COMMERCIAL SOCIETY, ONE MAY SET ONE'S PRICE AS HIGH AS ONE WISHES, BUT TO REFUSE TO SELL AT ANY PRICE IS TREASON. AGIA AND I WORE THE GAUDY ARMOR OF A BARBARIAN-YOU WORE HIS HEART"
>"THIRDLY, BY SLEIGHT WITH WHICH YOU WON OUR COMBAT. UNLIKE YOU, I FOUND MYSELF CONTESTING POWERS GREATER THAN I COULD COMPREHEND. I LOST MY NERVE, AS ANY MAN WOULD, AND AND HERE I AM. I CALL ON YOU TO FREE ME."

yeah, i'm thinking agilus is based.

[Anonymous No.14603829]

>>14603349
I couldn't read WoT. I started at least 3 different times and barely even got halfway through the first book. It's too meta for me. Farmer boy meets wise senior mage, his old life is threatened, goes on a quest.

Mistborn was good. I fucking liked it but I also read it in a very good period of my life, so I'll probably always associate Mistborn with comfy summer time in the bavarian mountains. The setting is good and I often read it for it alone.

Out of the three, Prince of Nothing probably has the greatest value. It's well written, intricate and it has a very dark and interesting setting. Magic is strong, as all magic should be and Kellhus is such an unnerving character that you can't help but keep reading and see where it all goes. Clear Dune influences but Dune is probably my favorite series of all time so I don't mind.
The second trilogy is better too, but only because they deal more with the fantasy elements of the setting, whereas the first trilogy was basically crusades with some magic and coomer monsters sprinkled in.

[Anonymous No.14603883]

>>14603801
Agilus is an incel but for severian

Woman: how have I wronged you, anon? It seems to me that you have wronged me, or tried to.
Anon: First by entrapment. You carry a vagina that men have historically fought wars over, without you even caring. As the owner of the vagina, it was your duty to give me at least some semblance of attention.
Anon: Secondly by refusing to entertain me and respond to any of my advances and flirting and texting. In our society, it's required to at least reply to me, instead you ghosted me and went for Chad's cock.
Anon: Thirdly, by the manipulation with which you tried to get to me after your ex cheated on you. Unlike you, who get 1000 texts a day from guys, I never get a text from any girl so when you texted me, I lost my nerve and had to drop everything in order to come and comfort you and buy you cake. And here I am. I call you to give me the pussy.

Damn, I actually had fun writing this.

[Anonymous No.14603890]

>>14603801
>AGIA AND I WORE THE GAUDY ARMOR OF A BARBARIAN-YOU WORE HIS HEART
what does this even mean? Also agilus was a total cunt but right about the last part. Severian was literally unkillable because of whatever time travel bullshit.

[Anonymous No.14603902]

>>14603890
They wore the armor of the barbarian to conceal their identities.
But since Severian was such an asshole (in their opinion due to the 3 reasons listed above) he wore (had) a barbarian's heart, meaning he was ruthless and barbaric and wasn't fair to them. Come on, it's not even that subtle.

[Anonymous No.14603907]

>>14602210
the actual examples are hilarious and read like a 50s yellow fever book.

[Anonymous No.14603923]

>>14603907
>read like a 50s yellow fever book.
I don't get it. How is this "hilarious"? It's describing what Chinese people actually look like in real life. It's like if I were to talk about niggers having broad noses and black skin - it's reality, dude.

[Anonymous No.14603930]

>>14603883
I had fun reading this. thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.14604158]

>>14603907
how the fuck would you have described her

[Anonymous No.14604171]

>>14603563
>>14603829
Thanks. I think I'm gonna read Prince of Nothing first. I read that it's a bit like Malazan. WoT scares me a bit desu, so many books with so many pages.

[Anonymous No.14604205]

>>14603907
Huh? There's nothing wrong with that at all.

[Anonymous No.14604292]

>>14603923
>>14604158
>>14604205

[Anonymous No.14604349]

https://theoutline.com/post/8600/isabel-fall-attack-helicopter-moralism

> “I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter”..follows a helicopter pilot fused by brainwashing and gender reassignment surgery to her combat aircraft, deals with themes of gender identity, the militarization of the body, and personal identity in a world collapsing under the weight of imperialism and climate change.

Controversy, fall out, and damage control ensues.
Worth reading the article. Some familiar names are involved.

[Anonymous No.14604402]

>>14603288
It sounds like you should go to the critique thread.

[Anonymous No.14604434]

What are the best Star Wars novels?

[Anonymous No.14604438]

>>14604434
Watch another movie.

[Anonymous No.14604442]

>>14604349
For anyone interested:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200111194207/http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/fall_01_20/

[Anonymous No.14604623]

>>14604434
Go to disney.com to consume some more shit.

[Anonymous No.14604754]

>>14604349
>>14604442
Hello rddit.

Anyways my initial read on the story was that it was a hoax. This all probably could have been avoided if she'd gotten some more peer review.
http://file770.com/clarkesworld-removes-isabel-falls-story/

>>14604623
The original movies weren't good either.

[Anonymous No.14604785]

>>14604754
A hoax in what way?

[Anonymous No.14604827]

>>14604754
Seeing as you can give awards, you're rebbit yourself, faggot.

[Anonymous No.14604828]

>>14604785
The name alone gives it all away.
>Isabel Fall
>Is Baleful

[Anonymous No.14604834]

>>14604827
Seeing as how you know that, you're the same.

[Anonymous No.14604851]

>>14604754
>The original movies weren't good either
Nothing about star wars is good. It's only big as it is because people had few choices back in the day.
If star wars was to be released today it would have less than 100 buyers on Amazon.

[Anonymous No.14604878]

>>14604834
It's simple reasoning faggot. I can't do shit on goodreads without signing in. You can't like or comment on youtube without signing in. You seriously think a place like rebbit would let anonymous get away with rigging or doing shit you can't account for? 4chan is the only place left on the internet where you can upload or comment without signing into an account.
Don't try to throw doubt, or take away from the fact that you're a filthy redshit user who is trying to pass yourself off as a 4chinner. Neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.14604946]

>>14604292
What?

[Anonymous No.14605421]

>page 8
Pol and philosofags won. They spammed lit until threads that lasted years finally died.

[Anonymous No.14605467]

The protag in the first earthsea novel is such an unsympathetic little shit lol
Also the more I read of this the more I can see where other authors just wholesale lifted from Le Guin

[Anonymous No.14605477]

>>14605421
I just looked at the catalog and christ is it bad, there's so many "please win this argument I'm having somewhere else" threads on there about pol shit because /his/ succeeded in forcing them over here

[Anonymous No.14605544]

>>14597737
read some of these lmao

[Anonymous No.14605603]

>>14604851
Truth pill. Star Wars was always trash.

[Anonymous No.14605624]

>>14594458
You are stupid

[Anonymous No.14605766]

>>14604878
>You seriously think a place like rebbit would let anonymous get away with rigging or doing shit you can't account for
It prompts you to sign in dipshit. A ton of sites do this to bait people into signing up

[Anonymous No.14605855]

>>14605477
Report them for off topic. I try and the mods usually come and clean up, but it's a losing battle, and I don't know if I want sffg to live anymore. Maybe it should die before we all do in the coming war.

[Anonymous No.14605864]

>>14605624
tread carefully

[Anonymous No.14605877]

>>14605766
I wouldn't know. I don't use rebbit. I just assumed you had to be logged in, like every "social" site there is. I even see discord fags saying they have to log in.

[Anonymous No.14605972]

>>14605877
You can create a temporary (in the same sense that you have a temporary winZip license) account that you can use exclusively online.
I have one of those accounts for porn, it works well and it's been in one of my main servers as well, no one suspects it's an alt really.

>>14605855
>Maybe it should die before we all do in the coming war.
Anon, you shouldn't romanticise /pol/ further.
As a guy that mainly goes on this board, /tg/ and /vg/ for like 2 games, /pol/ infects some other boards worse than what this board has been getting.

>>14600583
Thanks anon, will definitely take it into account.

[Anonymous No.14606055]

>>14604828
birth date of 1988 too.

[Anonymous No.14606156]

>>14604754
>>14604785
>>14604828
>>14606055
I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.14606282]

Are there some good newcomer fantasy authors?

[Anonymous No.14606413]

>>14606282
Publishing House or self published?

[Anonymous No.14606430]

Anyone read legend of the condor heroes? It got a translation recently and I'm thinking about reading it.
I take it that older wuxia is almost totally divorced from the modern anime power level stuff

[Anonymous No.14606455]

>>14606430
Save yourself the trouble and just go watch Thunderbolt Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.14606473]

Is this book worth reading?

[Anonymous No.14606512]

>>14606473
yeah, it's a classic and Swanwick writes at a consistently high level

[Anonymous No.14606630]

>>14606413
I don't care for now I'm just looking around

[Anonymous No.14606661]

>>14593787
Human progress drives a split; half of humanity is left on earth to be a "control" to the grand experiment of what comes next. They're plugged in to what happens above - new experiments, explorations, etc; but they're stuck on earth, and with unaltered physiology humanity can't compete with their cousins offworld in terms of contributing to "advancement"
Baseline Humanity still progresses in it's own way though; politics, art gets more complicated, referencing increasingly complicated and harder to master language as time is spent playing "inner" games.
I want to draw a picture of the sunset of normal humans, as they cease to matter but I haven't been satisfied with how this comes out on paper yet.

[Anonymous No.14606711]

/sffg/, I'm running out of steam and hope. I haven't been able to keep up my consistent 500-word-a-day writing for the past three weeks, and I'm growing increasingly convinced that there's something major holding back my quality and my character interactions, but I can't figure out what.

Stopping isn't an option. If I quit this, my failure will crush me. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.14606725]

perish

[Anonymous No.14606742]

>>14606725
thanks obama

[Anonymous No.14606772]

>>14606711
You could fuck off

[Anonymous No.14606832]

>>14606772
not really

[Anonymous No.14606838]

LoTR or Conan the Barbarian but in space?

[Anonymous No.14606853]

>>14606711
Are you a neet? If so then yeah there's really no excuse for you not being able to achieve 500 words, unless you have a severe disability.

If not, I find working on character/location descriptions that you might use later helps out a lot.

[Anonymous No.14606864]

Any novels that explore themes close to pic related?

Special interest groups running shadow orgs, 4-5th gen warfare, human augmentation, AI, etc

Thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.14606881]

>>14606853
Not a neet. The sad thing is I actually know all my characters pretty well, but the dialogue I'm writing out just sucks in a painfully trashy way, and none of the characters are getting to express their personality in their dialogue.

I'm not sure what the issue is. Maybe circumstance is restricting them, maybe I just suck. I really can't tell which

[Anonymous No.14606909]

>>14606881
Write and then adjust. Don't think and judge so hard during the act itself. Let the crappy writing inspire better.

[Anonymous No.14606910]

>>14606864
Linda Nagata's The Red series, it's very Metal Gear/Deus Ex-esque.

[Anonymous No.14606959]

>>14606473
I loved it. It definitely isn't for everyone though

[Anonymous No.14606967]

>>14606864
If you want that Deus Ex feel maybe you could try one of the novels of its author? I haven't read them so I can't vouch for their quality.
https://sheldonpacotti.com/gamma

For a more sci-fi sci-fi that puts a good amount of focus on transhumanism, you could try Blindsight/Echopraxia. Blindsight's even free.
https://rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

For a good, but not very recent novel about AIs, look up The Two Faces of Tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.14606970]

>>14606959
>>14606473

[Anonymous No.14606995]

>>14593787
The recent hard right turn of global politics continues unabated for millennia, leading to a future that looks a lot like the middle ages with starships and smartphones. First contact is made with a species that looks a lot like the future religion's equivalent of the Devil, and the characters must deal with it.

[Anonymous No.14607114]

>>14606156
88 is hh, aka heil hitler.

[Anonymous No.14607116]

>>14606967
How could this guy have been behind Deus Ex, this is the most typical shit

>ROCKSMITH: It's precisely that sort of sexed-up conspiracy theory that encouraged last month's riots. A black uprising has been the white liberal wet-dream since the Communist movement of the 1930s.
> CORWIN: It wasn't Shannon Jones' skin color that made him black.
> ROCKSMITH: Oh please.
> CORWIN: It was us treating him like property, intellectual or otherwise. The U.S. government mutated his DNA and not only didn't INFORM his parents—
> ROCKSMITH: A corporation with some support from DARPA hardly qualifies as "the U.S. government."
> CORWIN: Now ALL our children wear these molecular chains. Like Dr. Jones, they are slaves to aptitudes and features we write into them. They are answers to our commands. Dr. Jones died leading a slave rebellion, a rebellion of the very life force inside us.

>"... a raw, dark, and intricate thriller... a bold voice for marginalized communities."

>A Muslim man, the son of an immigrant engineer, works a "backward" job for the LAPD, risking his life as the "arms and legs" of society.


Literally muh minorities the book.

Thank you for the recs, the others look good.

>>14606910
I'll check them out, thank you.

[Anonymous No.14607340]

>>14607116
Deus Ex isn't exactly mind blowing writing either

>Jock: Oh my god! JC! bomb!
>JC: A bomb?

[Anonymous No.14607450]

are books of babel fan or sci? pretty entertaining nth I rely enjoyed when I saw that when they ''''c'c'c'c""''''xxxx'x'x''''''''''''''''' '''x''x'

[Anonymous No.14607586]

Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.14607653]

>>14607586
Worm

[Anonymous No.14607719]

>>14607653
What a coincidence

[Anonymous No.14607740]

>>14607340
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

[Anonymous No.14607784]

>>14605624
Look, I gave the prince of nothing a few chapters, and I didn't like it. Sorry. I forget why exactly. But I remember the impression it left on me, that that impression is "this is stupid". If I try to recall, I think it was too much info dumping about shit I don't care about. Things were happening, or least being explained as having happened. But I didn't have a reason to care about any of it.

[Anonymous No.14608112]

>>14593603

Any good fantasy/sci-fi novels that are appropriate to read for early 20s Anon? Im just in the mood for some fantastical shit, but don't wanna be stuck with 900 pages of graphpmaniac nonsense about elves time traveling to kill Hitler or a young adult story about a magical kid from vampire school who's destined to save the world from the dark lord
Currently reading Man in the High Castle, it's decent

[Anonymous No.14608191]

>>14607719
Oh, I just realized. I didn't recognize the scene because of the lack of city and capes. The rejected name didn't help matters

[Anonymous No.14608278]

>>14607740

[Anonymous No.14608286]

>>14608112
Lyonesse. It's a trilogy but all the books work just as well individually

[Anonymous No.14608335]

>>14601101
why not use IRC? or Riot, never used it but I heard good things about it

[Anonymous No.14608698]

Is 2020 the year of dead books?
Nothing good has been released so far.

[Anonymous No.14608713]

>>14608698
> nothing good in january
> year is ruined

[Anonymous No.14609024]

halfway through book 4 of bakker, it seems way worse than the previous 3, esmenets youngest kid (kelmomas) is unlikeable af, also is gnauir dead?

[Anonymous No.14609031]

>>14608112
unsouled

[Anonymous No.14609036]

is deus ex (the game) cyberpunk, I only played human revolutions but I would think not, it has robots sure but not so much of the punk or aesthetic

[Anonymous No.14609038]

>>14608698
Those self pubbed fags are burnt out. They wrote all they could write about already. Instead of pacing their releases, some release multiple times a month (with poor shit writing) to grab as much bux as possible. They are now out of ideas.
It's why that faggot E William Brown releases a book every 3 years, while milking the subscribestar users dry for one chapter a month. Brown may be a faggot, but I got to respect his hustle in milking those beta fags of their money.

[Anonymous No.14609046]

>>14609024
>esmenet
Fuck that whore. Makes me hate women more with how realistically she was portrayed. Fucking whore. Bitch. Slut. Cunt.

[Anonymous No.14609057]

>>14609036
>>>/v/
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.14609070]

>>14609046
esmenenet is based

[Anonymous No.14609116]

>>14609036
Yes

[Anonymous No.14609151]

>>14609070
You are probably a whore.

[Anonymous No.14609329]

Why are some authors such faggots? Audiobooks are the future, and they refuse to make their novels into audiobooks. Some books have been out for years and there is no audio.

[Anonymous No.14609477]

Finished Curse of Chalion and honestly it's near perfect.
Even the little doubts I had about it play neatly into the novel's conclusion

[Anonymous No.14609562]

>>14608698
I stopped reading books long ago, I read web novels now

[Anonymous No.14609577]

>>14609329
Because reading words vs having read them to you, is certainly different.
How you read certain passages vs others reading passages to you will give a different interpretation.
Your inner voice that can take on many forms vs some other person's reading voice that can take on at most 6-12 unique voices.

It makes sense. Plus, most audiobooks ads are fucking atrocious, advertising for you to read Harry Potter as your first free book is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.14609584]

>>14608698
nothing ever comes out until late january and we had a late first publishing week of the year this time
t. new releases reader

[Anonymous No.14609587]

>>14609329
Costs money mate, esp for it to be done well

[Anonymous No.14609654]

>>14606711
Wrong thread

[Anonymous No.14609806]

I've made an on-going fantasy series that is listenable in podcast form.

https://open.spotify.com/show/3JsBH7hfegrCMIRJbQynbc

It's about people cursed by a magical storm, and the journey they take to a great magical mountain in an effort to wish themselves back to normal.

The first episode introduces the lead, and includes these things:
+ sexy vampires
+ fighting / violence / mild gore
+ comedy / sexual innuendo
+ intrigue, courtroom drama

It's made to be like watching a movie in your head. Lemme know what you think.

[Anonymous No.14609820]

>>14609024
Book 4 takes a while to pick up, since the first half is basically reintroducing the main cast again. Just remember to never ever trust a Dunyain.

Also Kelmomas was a mommy poster before his time. Bakker was on the cutting edge of the mommy fetish.

[Anonymous No.14609823]

I was reading Inda series by Sherwood Smith, i dropped it in the middle of 3rd book, i just couldnt get over retarded shit.
> No Rape - mages somehow managed to suppress human urge to rape (there are still war, torture, murder etc)
> In main character country's royal family, of 6 named royal family members, 2 are faggots, 1 is carpet muncher.
> In main character pirate fleet at least half named characters are women.
> worst of all, i just couldn't stand polygamous world crap, everybody is fucking everybody, im one page author are telling us how couple loves one another, few pages after that they are fucking other people.

[Anonymous No.14609847]

>>14609823
wow can't believe fantasy pirates don't follow western social norms

[Anonymous No.14609852]

>>14609847
fuck off tranny

[Anonymous No.14609858]

>>14609852
why are you reading fantasy if the only thing that will appease you is seeing a mirror of 1950's society in the made up world?

[Anonymous No.14609887]

>>14609858
i dont mind women as pirates, but at least half of named pirate characters are women thats just retarded.

[Anonymous No.14609890]

Black company (book 1) thoughts:

This drags a lot once it hits the final chapter and Cook realises he has to drag the reader through multiple final battles. All of the neat pacing tricks are gone and I don't think the action stands up as well on its own without them.

[Anonymous No.14610088]

>>14593990
I haven't checked /lit/ since New Years' how is this book still getting shilled?

[Anonymous No.14610192]

Any recommendations for books where modern technology is forgotten and is treated like magic by people who don't understand it. More modern is better since things have changed a lot since the 1950s, but I wouldn't mind older stuff either. Pic related has some of what I'm looking for, but it's more focussed on the Earth dying, and I'm more interested in the forgotten technology aspect. It can also include future technology like ray guns and space ships etc., but the key point is that people have been since forgotten what they are like in the Book of the New Sun. Including magic like Vance is fine too.
Basically books where people find guns, computers, cars or explosives and think of them as something mystical and beyond human understanding.

[Anonymous No.14610222]

do audiobook listeners get bullied here?

[Anonymous No.14610231]

>>14610222
yeah, but so does everyone else

[Anonymous No.14610234]

>>14609890
It's probably because of Croaker involvement in the plot. In the beginning he was rarely consulted. He went looking for the action and later on action goes to him. That's probably the reason of the fast pace at the start and the jumping around.

[Anonymous No.14610330]

>>14610192
the dark tower

[Anonymous No.14610337]

>>14610234
Yeah but I liked it better when it was doing that, felt like it was taking advantage of the narrative conceit more but obviously you can't keep doing that once the narrator is front and center of the story.

[Anonymous No.14610355]

Hard sci-fi fans gather around. I have a story to tell you..

[Anonymous No.14610415]

>>14610337
I liked that too. It was a bit confusing in a good way and refreshing. And it actually made.more.sense considering his job. But Croakes was really curious and wanted to keep the annuals updated.
Soldier of the Mist by Gene Wolfe has that feeling that you liked, if you haven't read it yet.

[Anonymous No.14610439]

>>14610337
I liked that too. It was a bit confusing in a good way and refreshing. And it actually made more sense considering his job. But Croaker was really curious and wanted to keep the annuals updated.
Soldier of the Mist by Gene Wolfe has that feeling that you liked, if you haven't read it yet.

[Anonymous No.14610460]

>>14606473
The beginning was interesting with the whole fantasy-modern world, with factories and child laborers and the whole london-like industrial revolution in a fantasy world.
But then suddenly the main character was smoking pot and getting gangbanged by urban english youth in dirty mall bathrooms and it really fucking took me out of it.
It made me realize I have a problem with blatant sex in fantasy. I think Book of the new sun was the most sensible about it, and I'd like if authors were at least subtle when writing sex. Sex should be implied when it happens but nowhere does the author need to specifically mention sucking cocks and getting double penetrated lmao

It's why I dropped Broken earth too. Main character was discovering ugly truths about the world and using her powers, then suddenly she was having a threesome cuck relationship with 2 black guys. Literally.

Fuck modern fantasy

[Anonymous No.14611022]

>>14610460
You have a problem with sexuality in general.

[Anonymous No.14611073]

>>14593603
That's okay... but it could be better.

[Anonymous No.14611163]

>>14609584
what are some new releases you're looking forward to?

[Anonymous No.14611169]

>>14610460
SFF is full of degenerate Communists that would make /d/ blush these days. It's why we get so little good aspirational scifi.

[Anonymous No.14611181]

>>14611169
>aspirational scifi
Such as?

[Anomynous No.14611255]

>>14593787
As if I would care about publishing nonsense, I'm writing it because I fucking love world building, I don't even care if I ever finish it so long as I get to spend time coming up with new ideas for it. Also having another anon to help come up with ideas with is really helpful, and keeps me from being too lazy.

[Anonymous No.14611256]

>>14611163
Outside of sequels the new KJ Parker is the only thing that stood out and I'll be putting that off because it's too similar in plot to other stuff I'm reading. Fuckall in january and the yearly previews I looked at were bad and just full of publisher pushed stuff.
In terms of sequels the followups to Finder and Cry Pilot are the ones out in the next few months I'll read ASAP alongside the final Map of Unknown Things book which is out but not uploaded to the pirate resources I checked yet.

I could follow stuff more closely but it would probably mean following authors on twitter and the problem with that is you find out just how annoying some of them are.

[Anonymous No.14611273]

>>14611163
>>14611256
deleted the version of the post that I mentioned I check via the monthly new releases lists tor puts out and the goodreads new releases by authors you've read function so I never really look ahead that far.
Really should review more shit and try and get some ARCs since I've read so much new stuff the past year or two.

[Anonymous No.14611320]

>>14611273
http://locusmag.com/forthcomingbooks/

[Anonymous No.14611338]

>>14611320
literally nothing on here that I didn't already know about jumps out at me lol

[Anonymous No.14611342]

>>14611022
I don't want it so blatantly thrown in my face, that's all. In Book of the New Sun Severian apparently bones every woman he encounters, but it's never come across as insolent or forced.

[Anonymous No.14611361]

>>14611181
Asimov, pre-Kurzman Star Trek, Heinlen, Clarke...

[Anonymous No.14611369]

>>14611342
m8 this just reads like you being okay with male promiscuity but not female
which again means you've got weird hangups

[Anonymous No.14611435]

>>14611361
In what specific way are any of them aspirational?

[Anonymous No.14611460]

I can't tell if he means utopian and is thus utterly wrong about the political stuff or if he just means scifi where the mc went from rags to riches or wever

[Anonymous No.14611612]

>>14611169
>degenerate Communists that would make /d/ blush these days
>>14611361
>Asimov
Serial sexual assaulter.

>Kurzman
literally who

>Heinlen
You mean the free love hippy and incest fan?

>Clarke
Gay or bisexual, moved to Sri Lanka and had a long term relationship with a much younger man. (Though this is fairly typical for British men.)

[Anonymous No.14611655]

>>14611612
>Heinlein
I am never going to stop giggling at people who only know him from SST and assume that he was a fascist.

[Anonymous No.14611891]

>>14611881
NEW

[Anonymous No.14611906]

>>14611891
Fail. Try again with the OP text and links this time.

[Anonymous No.14611962]

>>14611906
I'm going to make new thread soon as the bump limit hits with image only and no text from now on just to spite you.

[Anonymous No.14611991]

>>14611962
Sounds very autistic but go for it. Whatever floats your boat.

[Anonymous No.14611994]

>>14611962
What a retard.

[Anonymous No.14612188]

>>14611435
>In what specific way are any of them aspirational?
The base assumption that we can do better, be better, without the world devolving into crapsack ruins. Yes, the Empire fell in Foundation, but the Foundations themselves were a path back to even greater glories. Contrast with most cyberpunk literature or even The Expanse, where everything is always terrible all the time and expanding offworld just makes things worse.

[Anonymous No.14612459]

>>14611369
Book of the new sun doesn't describe every thrust of his dick like Iron Dragon's Daughter does

[Anonymous No.14612475]

>>14611369
Not anon, but have you actually read Broken Earth?
I'm sure their issue isn't that omg she got boned in a threeway. It's that the author felt it necessary to write multiple detailed sexual encounters in all their greasy swordfighting dick glory. It's just smut.

[Anonymous No.14612680]

>>14611460
That may be because you are retarded.