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Is there anything wrong with society inherently?

Do you really feel any pain from it? I cannot say that I do. Lets make this board about vehemently and aggressively not having a problem with the status quo.

>> No.14591123
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14591123

Waste of quads.
/lit/ is a Liberation Theology board.

>> No.14591122

terrible bait

>> No.14591126

>>14591111
No. That's what psychologists are for.

>> No.14591132

>>14591111
>Is there anything wrong with society inherently?
Yes. Many things in fact. The signs are plain to see
>declining life expectancy
> rise of opioid addiction
> extreme political polarization and antagonism
> stagnant wages despite economic growth and other traditional indicators
> corrupt, ineffectual government
> mass shootings and other freak incidents of violence or terrorism
> increasing rates of suicide among young people
> inflated healthcare and education costs
>half the population lives in poverty or near poverty while all the laws and tax schemes benefit the superrich

>Do you really feel any pain from it?
Yes. In no small part because of some of the above signs. I won't get into my personal story.

>ets make this board about vehemently and aggressively not having a problem with the status quo.
How about lets step out of our bubble and see reality for what it is?

>> No.14591135

>>14591126
Are you literally telling someone to take pills because they are at peace with society? Do you know or realize how insane that is?
>>14591123
Humorously for your lot, Kelso actually calls for a redistribution of capital in pic related.

>> No.14591138

>>14591132
>IM IN THE HUMANITIES HURRR

Go work a job you stupid bitch.

>> No.14591332

>>14591138
xD
You click on a "serious" capitalist-apologist thread to see the "intelligent discourse" and it boils down to this EVERY TIME

We know your dad wouldn't love you if you didn't have a job, and that IS sad, but that's not a good enough reason not to destroy capitalism, sweaty

>> No.14591362

>>14591332
The good enough reason is there are no feasible alternatives.

>> No.14591377

>>14591362
Let me suggest some reflection for you. Have you ever honestly considered any alternative? Made a genuine effort? Earnestly?

Are you familiar with the idea of "motivated thinking"? That when you make something part of your identity (capitalism-apologia) Any reasoning you do on this topic is polluted by the motivation to preserve your identity?

>> No.14591383

>>14591377
Yeah on the left wing side at least and there are no feasible alternatives.

>> No.14591393

>>14591383
if you say so!

>> No.14591394

>>14591393
You were supposed to provide me there with feasible alternatives but I don't think you are able to.

>> No.14591411

>>14591394
Who made that supposition? Not me!
You don't seem to me like you are ready to step beyond the American common-sense (propaganda) sphere yet, so I won't waste any effort with actual argument and explanation.

Maybe you can try The Dispossessed for a very vivid and imaginative picture of what an alternative could be like!

>> No.14591426

Capitalism is slave morality. Since you are too weak to take control of your working situation you invert your values and cope that it's for the greater good. You are ushered on by sacerdotal charlatans who are jealous of free workers with control over their life and cannot stand it out of spite.

>> No.14591431

>>14591411
No you were supposed to talk about Anarcho-Syndicalism and the Spanish civil war or bring up Democratic confederalism and Rojava and talk about the new ideology that has never been triedbefore or talk about Market Socialism and how it's feasible to reform capitalism into socialism or talk about how the Leninists states were not that bad and we can still mobilize third world countries into this or maybe give some vague paragraph about how you know equality is still possible as long as the people want it or something like that. You seem to know the what the alternative so please just lay it down for me.

>> No.14591476

>>14591431
Hahah, that's so weird.
You clearly have had this conversation a bunch of times before and you're still asking me to please go through the motions with you again.
Why?
I've long come to the conclusion that politics is all about imagination. You stand with the status quo and against the alternatives because you're unable or unwilling to imagine them. So much of reactionary hypno-outreach is about associating maturity and adulthood with this blind, barren inability to imagine. Imagining things is for children, for infantile college libs.
So be it!
The world as it is today would be unimaginable for people of even 100 years ago. Hardcore capitalism as we know it is, historically, quite recent. But yeah, this is how it is and this is how it shall always be. Believe it, son!

>> No.14591482

>>14591431
Here's the thing: modern global civilization isn't working. We're headed towards global systemic collapse or worse.
NOTHING is working.
So, what's YOUR alternative to the dystopia of the present? Is it "let things continue as they are?"

>> No.14591533

>>14591476
No I do a lot of imagining. That's what readings for. There are always too many problems with any the alternatives for them to be feasible.

>So, what's YOUR alternative to the dystopia of the present
Build workers cooperatives. Vote for left wing politicians. Educate people. Try to reform our way into a Market Socialist economy while in the mean time trying to figure out new feasible alternatives. That's something that can actually be done in today societies. The answer that you are give and lots of other socialists do is we need to just start throwing capitalists on the firing line without any idea what happens after the revolution.

>> No.14591536

>>14591476
Your analysis is spot-on: making anything besides capitalism unimaginable is REQUIRED to justify it. An essential part of the solution is also presented: to make post-capitalism imaginable. This requires more than some abstract description of some system: it requires describing how people relate to each other and the world around them. The human relation that is the reference is that of friendship, cooperate to mutually elevate each other's lives, experiences, and possibilities.

>> No.14591624

>>14591533
There's not going to be a revolution because you'll never get in power. No one wants socialists in power because they are retards. They are retarded because they are always thinking along the lines of wealth distribution within the system and thinking that any sort of distribution in this manner helps people in any way shape or form.

They treat society like it's some science project. People who work under capitalism with capitalist mentalities treat the system as it's intended to be treated: meaning they can put value into it and receive the value they need. It's like this for every individual out there: if you are willing to put in the working hours, then you will get the payback you deserve. :3

One thing that Kelso talks about in this book that could help is redistributing capital into the hands of the working class so they could make something by it. Also making sure that companies are required to pay out dividends if they increase in earnings. And also to just make sure in general, that all companies that are large enough issue stock.

All of these would be healthy for America.

One of the best ideas of Keynes was that we should limit trading on stocks, to effectively kill the pernicious profits to be made by simply having capital change hands (and considering that the process of stock market price changes is largely a random walk and only profitable to people with inside information you would be effectively be wiping clean a malignant slate who was the cause of the Great Depression). :3

There are ways to make this sytem work as intended. I don't understand why people are fighting for things that will never happen. This platform has the potential to be very meaningful politically, why are we wasting time on objectives that are so far flung like socialism???

>> No.14592561

>>14591123
>Liberation Theology
Only good if you're a fucking Franciscan, like the current chef-kid-diddler, who believe everyone should be poor like Jesus. In the real world, where not everyone is a monk, you should follow based Rhonheimer.

>> No.14593096

>>14591111
>Adler was born in New York City on December 28, 1902, to Jewish immigrants from Germany, Clarissa (Manheim), a schoolteacher, and Ignatz Adler, a jewelry salesman.

>> No.14593121

>>14591362
Get a load of this retard.

>> No.14593131

>>14591624
This is satire, right?

>> No.14593134

>>14593096
And? Buddy you were probably the guy complaining about Karl Marx being Jewish. What good does that solve if Karl Marx was a major influence of Hitler, along with Darwin and Nietzsche?

I mean jesus Christ dude, it's like you have no mind but blind, retarded hatred. You have to understand, the Jewish people predominantly had positions within academia throughout the 20th century because of 'reparations'-like mentality and because they already controlled a lot of the financial industry.

I would agree their influence within the media is pernicious, but if its confined to discussing ideas, and if some of those ideas are good, then why are you complaining? This is not a complex work for sure, but it is a good one. Academia is one of those places where race really shouldn't matter, for a lot of different reasons. :3

>> No.14593138

>>14593096
Those fucking Germans at it again

>> No.14593146

>>14593131
No. Communism has got to be an intellectual plague. Like that new Coronavirus ripping through China. It has to be stopped. :3

>> No.14593174

>>14591111
Even if you like capitalism, the idea that everything is perfect just the way it is is pretty anti-intellectual
At the very least we need to stay caught up with the changes in the world, and ideally we would be ahead of them
Saying we should support the status quo is probably the most retarded position you can take

>> No.14593187

>>14593174
>we need to stay caught up with the changes in the world
That's a mentality that assumes things are going to get better by taking in those changes 100% of the time.

In my opinion, certain changes or perceptions should be resisted where possible. :3

>> No.14593525

>>14591533
>voting for left-wing politicians
>not right-wing socialists
uh oh

>> No.14593570

>>14593187
Panglossian asshattery is not a good look.