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[Anonymous No.14586497]

Take the Gnostic pill.

[Anonymous No.14586516]

[Anonymous No.14586525]

[<TRANSCENDENTAL> !xruKyDyaK2 No.14586549]

>>14586516
Man I love you. I actually thought about posting this picture when I saw this thread, because I got it saved on my phone. I love apu. What a soul. He's the one who deserves to win.

[Anonymous No.14586559]

>>14586497
Manichaeism is not alive today. Sure, you can adopt the Weltanschauung of it, but there's not initiation, for there is no valid lineage, and therefore no ascent based upon it; just like Philosophy- in the true nature of it. Mani (pbuh), although, seems to have been, indeed, a righteous man.

[Anonymous No.14586570]

>>14586559
Are you a muslim?

[Anonymous No.14586581]

>>14586559
On the counterpart to both Catholicism and Manichaeism, Orthodox Christianity is still alive, for it maintained itself purified from innovations, in this way conserving Christ's revelation, and still creates saints and true gnostics.

[Anonymous No.14586593]

>>14586497
>worships Mary
How is that bad, exactly?

[Anonymous No.14586613]

>>14586559
>>14586570
>>14586581
I'd add to this that the author of this thread has no idea what a true gnostic is, and is himself a hylic and a anti-initiatic force.

[Anonymous No.14586624]

>>14586593
>why is idol worshipping wrong?
Read your Bible, Catholic.

[Anonymous No.14586635]

>>14586613
>true gnostic
Not a thing.

[Anonymous No.14586641]

>>14586624
>Implying that a symbol to the passive, feminine aspect of the Logos is an idol.

[Anonymous No.14586657]

Gnosticism is cope. There is no such thing as a holy text, nor is there a such thing as a prophet. The transcendent cannot be constrained by semiosis. Read Hegel.

[Anonymous No.14586687]

>>14586635
>"The Gnostic is therefore fixed by faith; but the man who thinks himself wise touches not what pertains to the truth, moved as he is by unstable and wavering impulses. It is therefore reasonably written, "Cain went forth from the face of God, and dwelt in the land of Naid, over against Eden." Now Naid is interpreted commotion, and Eden delight; and Faith, and Knowledge, and Peace are delight, from which he that has disobeyed is cast out. But he that is wise in his own eyes will not so much as listen to the beginning of the divine commandments; but, as if his own teacher, throwing off the reins, plunges voluntarily into a billowy commotion, sinking down to mortal and created things from the uncreated knowledge, holding various opinions at various times. "Those who have no guidance fall like leaves."

>"Well, then, if the Lord is the truth, and wisdom, and power of God, as in truth He is, it is shown that the real Gnostic is he that knows Him, and His Father by Him. For his sentiments are the same with him who said, "The lips of the righteous know high things."

[Anonymous No.14586689]

>>14586657
Everything in life is cope. Luckily we get to choose.

[Anonymous No.14586725]

Manichaeism isn't a living sect and if they're referring to that group in China they're basically just Buddhists living in an old Manichean temple.

[Anonymous No.14586767]

>>14586497
give us some recommended readings

[Anonymous No.14586903]

>>14586497

I mean I agree but "gnostic" is mainly a political term, not really descriptive of anything as far as ideas.

[Anonymous No.14586938]

>>14586657

The whole point of Christocentric "gnosticism" is that Gnosis is both form and content, the content can even be Atheist while the form is towards God. Content alone is, to the ignorance of form, is a Catholic abomination.

[Anonymous No.14586980]

>>14586497
Can demiurge be a cute girl and become my demi-chan waifu?

[Anonymous No.14587860]

>>14586641
>calling mary a passive, feminine aspect of da legos like this is some kind of ooga booga ancient chinese philosophy regarding the eyes of Pangu
Imagine the amount of fucking cringe Mary has to go through on a daily basis because of retards like you. Truly an afterlife can be stressful. Respect the dead and stfu

[Anonymous No.14587871]

>>14586581
>still creates saints and true gnostics
CHRISTIANITY

DOESNT

CREATE

GNOSTICS

GNOSTICISIM

IS

A

HERESY

CANLITSTOPWANTING OT BE GNOSTIC FOR 5 MINUTES

[Anonymous No.14587887]

>>14586938
>the content can even be Atheist while the form is towards God
>SIMULTANEOUSLY BELIEVING AND NOT BELIEVING IN GOD
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANYSENSE

[Anonymous No.14587892]

>>14587860
based

[Anonymous No.14587919]

>>14587860
Learn to read, dear brother. I've said she's used as a symbol.
>>14587871
Definition of gnostics: possessing knowledge, especially esoteric knowledge of spiritual matters. If Christianity doesn't produces gnostics, then it's a no longer alive religious tradition. If you read the Fathers and had knowledge of your own religion, you'd know that the word is used quite often in the acceptation above quoted.

[Anonymous No.14587927]

>>14587919
>If you read the Fathers and had knowledge of your own religion, you'd know that the word is used quite often in the acceptation above quoted.
STOP

TALKING

SHIT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Heresies_(Irenaeus)

[Anonymous No.14587933]

>>14587860
Learn to read, dear brother. I've said she's used as a symbol.
>>14587871
Definition of gnostics: possessing knowledge, especially esoteric knowledge of spiritual matters. If Christianity doesn't produces gnostics, then it's a no longer alive religious tradition. If you read the Fathers and had knowledge of your own religion, you'd know that the word is used quite often in the acceptation cited.

[Anonymous No.14587944]

>>14587927
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Heresies_(Irenaeus)
Brother, a gnostic in greek literally means a knower. The word is used in the New Testament; it has nothing to do with the heresy which was denominated Gnosticism.

[Anonymous No.14587950]

>>14587860
Do not offend Mary, you fucking scumbag.

[Anonymous No.14587971]

>>14586657
not how things work exactly anon, the transcendent is not transcendent alone, affirmation is the first setp to anagoge.

>>14586938
wow quality retarded post

[Anonymous No.14587976]

>>14586641
>a symbol to the passive, feminine aspect of the Logos
cite bible source of this idea or get out

[Anonymous No.14588016]

>>14587933
I'm glad you've decided to denigrate a human life to the status of a symbol but I'll have nothing to do with it

>>14587950
Someone like Mary would be one of the literal last people I'd think of offending pal

[Anonymous No.14588024]

>>14587887
It it makes about as much sense as the trinity

[Anonymous No.14588032]

>>14587976
Apart from the fact that she gave birth to Christ, I'm not able to, I'm afraid, Brother. You may dismiss the idea, but it's, in my view, a readable point of view from a few representation on Christian art and a few hymns to the Theotokos, and, of course, for the most important factor that everything the Logos is and has, it received from the Father.

[Anonymous No.14588043]

>>14588016
In my view, I've done no such thing, and if I have you shouldn't be glad, and may God pardon me.

[Anonymous No.14588073]

>>14588024
I'm a Muslim, and I must say, The Trinity does make sense, although the Christian dogma may absolutize it in some points.

[Anonymous No.14588077]

>>14588043
Why shouldn't I? People do waaay worse shit, for example, offer sacrifices to the demiurge. Can you imagine the poor babies that have to put up with that? Holy shit

[eris !!L/ZXSJdFH9p No.14588083]

>>14586525
fuck she sounds hot.

[Anonymous No.14588092]

The most intrusive thought in my brain every day is how much I want to leave this false reality and not be tricked into coming back via reincarnation or gaining access to save states to make life easier (I'm convinced save states exist just because of how easy life is for some people)

[eris !!L/ZXSJdFH9p No.14588096]

Anyway on a more pertinent note any recommended books for learning coptic?

[Anonymous No.14588106]

>>14586497
>matter is evil
okay retard

[Anonymous No.14588113]

>>14586497
This is the /lit/ equivalent of the 'take the twink pill' threads on /fit/

[Anonymous No.14588200]

someone answer >>14586767
who has a gnostic reading chart?

[Anonymous No.14588207]

>>14586497
The monad is just another demiurge, Yahweh is the true Monad

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.14588208]

>>14586497
One does not, nor cannot, become Gnostic by consuming it via pill form, whatever that is supposed to mean; gnosis is achieved via noble - derived from root: "gno-" - lifestyle, and through reception of God's grace, thus Gnosticism/Christianity is the practice of gnosis, that is - the mediatory motion of optimization.

[Anonymous No.14588218]

>>14586689
You are not wronge.

[Anonymous No.14588304]

>>14588073
You suck at being a Muslim then.

[Anonymous No.14588333]

>>14588304
It sounds that you just have no comprehension of the Trinity; all religious Tradition differentiate between the One and his first manifestation.

[Anonymous No.14588336]

>>14588333
Except Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.14588343]

>>14588336
Have you not eyes, brother? Independently of how it's put, as it's said, Christ is the revealed face of the Father.

[Anonymous No.14588359]

>>14588343
And? See you don't get the trinity at all. It isn't like vedic avatar or platonic/kabbalistic/gnostic emanations.

[Anonymous No.14588370]

>>14588359
Explain the Trinity with quotations from the Fathers and I will repent and admit you're right, until then, it seems that your knowledge of the Trinity comes from second hand generalizations and myopic prejudices.

[Anonymous No.14588373]

>>14588106
Matter can't be anything other than evil.

[Anonymous No.14588421]

>>14588370
>Jump through my hoops.

Nah, I know you are a larping Guenonfag. Catholics deny that there is a descent among the hypostases as they are coequal and coeternal. The trinity defies basic syllogistic logic, the Aristotlean logic that forms the basis of Thomism, which is why it is known as one of the mysteries and explanation of it tend toward restating the basic formula of the coequality of the hypostases and apophatic theology.

You accept it as a mystery, something that can not be apprehended by reason, but rather through divine revelation. Or you reject it.

[Anonymous No.14588442]

>>14588421
Well, brother, I hope you can soon read the Fathers and discover that their metaphysics are closer to what you'd call Platonic than you, as a apparent Papist, and therefore a legatee in parts of a corrupt form of Theology, was taught to think. Gregory Palamas would be a good start.

[Anonymous No.14588484]

>>14588208
hi are you numen?

[Anonymous No.14588522]

>>14588442
And he watches Jay too. Amazing how you reflexively assume I am a papist after giving a non retarded meme answer when we started this exchange with me mocking the trinity.


My wish for you is that the amalgam of parasitic post-ironic meme ideologies that have infected you from internet boards and youtube that you have mistaken for an identity, that pull your in so many directions at once, fall away and in their absence you find peace.

[Anonymous No.14588533]

I find these obscure religion meme threads very odd. Do people actually go and join groups of Gnostics in real life or are you just internet larping? Doctrinal debate aside, religion without sacraments and guide from someone who has already been initiated is just delusion.

Why you would want to be a gnostic is extremely bizzare. The Neo-Platonists btfo them and even modern thinkers like Guenon were against their metaphysics. If you are Catholic you should read Christ the Original Mystery by Jean Borella. It explains the context of the Greek word Gnosis as it was used in the New Testament and talks about Christian Gnosis of Origen and St. Clement of Alexandria

[Anonymous No.14588550]

>>14588522
I do not watch Jay, brother. In fact, I find him quite obnoxious. I imagine that you are implying that Guenon's "doctrine" is a meme; if that's the case, I'd ask you to leave this board for a while and recognize that there's a world outside of it.

[Anonymous No.14588577]

>>14586559

>Thinks lineage is required for ideas to survive

*Laughs in Hebrew*

[Anonymous No.14588583]

>>14588522
>>14588550
And I have no ideology apart from the Path, my interest in metaphysics originates from my attraction towards the Divine; if, for you, there's anything "meme" or "post-ironic" about doctrines about the Reality, I'd ask you to reconsider your relation with God- which must be faulty, at the very least, if that's the case- and consider the serious nature of existence; that man may win Pardise or deserve hell.

[Anonymous No.14588668]

>>14588583
A real modern Andy Kaufman, I tip my hat do you good sir have an upvote.

[Anonymous No.14588718]

>>14588668
>Andy Kaufman
t. Hylic.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxVaButfmI No.14588759]

>>14586559

>but there's not initiation, for there is no valid lineage

[Anonymous No.14588777]

how do I learn about historical manichaeism and zoroastrianism while completely avoiding internet larper faggots

[Anonymous No.14588795]

>>14588718
And finally the mask is off.

Good night, all.

[Anonymous No.14588851]

>>14586525
>tfw no gnostic gf

[Anonymous No.14588887]

>>14586624
t. goes to a mall in a strip mall and sharts in mart

[Anonymous No.14589050]

>>14586497
Community and religious culture is just as important as the theology. Gnostic community is non existent and would be too much effort for me to try to get going. Not to mention the theology isn't tight enough for me to believe in it. Where is there proof of the Demiurge?

[Anonymous No.14589079]

>>14588207
False.

[Anonymous No.14589092]

>>14588533
>unironically appealing to Guénon as an authority
TOP KEK

[Anonymous No.14589103]

>>14589050
You're just another plebeian normie. Stick to your gay religion.

[Anonymous No.14589108]

>>14588421
>. The trinity defies basic syllogistic logic, the Aristotlean logic that forms the basis of Thomism, which is why it is known as one of the mysteries and explanation of it tend toward restating the basic formula of the coequality of the hypostases and apophatic theology.
>>14588359
>It isn't like vedic avatar or platonic/kabbalistic/gnostic emanations.

It is exactly the same.
>le 1+1 = 2 = "3"

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxVaButfmI No.14589154]

DETECTED

[Anonymous No.14589698]

>>14586497
There's dozens of them, which one?

[Anonymous No.14590019]

The incarnation of physical reality and its consequences have been a disaster for the ultimate reality

[Anonymous No.14590248]

>>14588200
This; Reading chart

[Anonymous No.14590318]

>>14586497
>Take the Gnostic pill.
No thanks, I don't imbibe bullshit.

[Anonymous No.14590341]

>>14586497
FYI: There's a growing recognition that the Hussites were 100% right, and that both Catholics and subsequent so-called 'Protestants' are devil-worshipers that are essentially guaranteed to burn in the great Lake of Fire for all of eternity.

[Anonymous No.14590362]

Gnostics are even more cringe than the christcucks

[Anonymous No.14590385]

What would Jesus do? He'd be (as of course he was) a full-on hippie commie limp-wristed cheek-turning fuck-the-bankers pantywaist. Face it: Christianity is just a fancy word for Communism.

[Anonymous No.14591165]

>>14586593
Mary was a sinner.

[Anonymous No.14591177]

>>14590341
based
>>14590362
cringe

[Anonymous No.14591445]

>>14588759
Neck yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.14591726]

>>14586497
>modern day chinese anything
>no victim complex
lmaoooooo

[Anonymous No.14592062]

>>14587887

Ridding yourself of assumptions, including assumptions about God.

[Anonymous No.14592088]

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[Anonymous No.14592125]

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[Anonymous No.14592127]

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[Anonymous No.14592137]

>>14586624

>Revering the literal mother of Christ himself
>Idol worship

Go tell your mother you love her, please.

[Anonymous No.14592140]

Stay frosty Orthobros
>>14586593
>worship
No, but praying for intercession with her son, yes.
>>14586497
This thread is heretical

[Anonymous No.14592145]

>>14592137
My mother is a cunt who subjected me to genital mutilation. I'm not a cuck with Stockholm Syndrome, so I don't love her.

[Anonymous No.14592211]

>>14588373
Death to you videodrome!

[Anonymous No.14592277]

My only knowledge of Gnosticism comes from PKD's Valis series. Seemed pretty based but also psychotic to me. The central thesis is that a malevolent demiurge rules and the real god has yet to appear / gain controll, right? What is some essential gnostic literature?

[Anonymous No.14592280]

>>14592127
Have never seen the images after this one

[Anonymous No.14592300]

>>14592145

Out of ignorance, surely you can forgive someone adhering to a cultural norm out of ignorance?

Terrifying article by the way. Glad I'm not cut.

[Anonymous No.14592977]

no

[Anonymous No.14593047]

Religiosity is an extreme form of insanity.

[Anonymous No.14593962]

>>14593047

Ah yes. So basically all your ancestors and the historical figures that shaped our world suffered from an extreme form of insanity. But not you, you're special. Good job.

[The Prophet !!lwPyLS41HmK No.14594095]

>>14592277
The Monad is basically wholly uncomprehendable and pretty much disconnected entirely from the going ons of the demiurge(think Jehovah the OT God) and the material world both of which were created when Sophia(wisdom) tried to contemplate the monad. Some of the pneuma or spirit from the fullness above was either accidentally or purposely implanted by Sophia into humans so they could potentially grow and escape beyond the evil degenerate material realm. Christ came to help humans achieve the gnosis to do so and also possibly to help Sophia escape nothingness and get back to the fullness. The demiurge is either extremely fucking malevolent or ignorant. Basically there were a lot of different gnostic sects and they all had somewhat different ideas.

[Anonymous No.14594108]

>>14593047
We're all schizos anon, only some of us ever actually realize it
Also this captcha gayness is out of hand
Fuck jewgle

[Anonymous No.14594206]

>>14593962
Is that supposed to be an argument?

[Anonymous No.14594214]

>>14594108
Fail to identify a crosswalk, and a self-driving car kills a pedestrian in real time.

[Anonymous No.14594272]

>>14586497
I wish to take the pill. What books should I read?