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[Anonymous No.14544622]

What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.14544709]

>>14544622
whatever Allah selects for you

[Anonymous No.14545683]

>>14544622
9/11

[Anonymous No.14545917]

>>14544622
Buncha shit

[Anonymous No.14546037]

>>14544622
It's like condensing the entire universe and the entire experience of existing into a book. Everything is in there. Read it slowly and carefully. Don't jump to assumptions, especially if you lack an accurate translation. Always see the bigger picture and think big about what it could mean. It's an esoteric book that has been dissected a million different ways before. It's not easily described, but it should be read with care.

I suggest you begin with surah 96 or surah 1, but really, anywhere is good if you're looking for real, solid truth, which speaks to you from the cosmos, into your heart and the most profound parts of your soul. You are not reading the Quran. The Quran is speaking to you, through the means of reading. Really listen.

[Anonymous No.14546039]

>>14544622

[Anonymous No.14546046]

>>14546039
The Quran isn't about Muhammad. He's only mentioned 4 times in the entire book. Most of the Quran is the story of Moses, Abraham, and Jesus.

[Anonymous No.14546051]

The completion of the Abrahamic religion, as delivered to the prophets by God's messenger the Archangel Gabriel. It is the summation and perfection of the teachings of Judaism and Christianity. Because even God gets it wrong the first couple times.

[Anonymous No.14546073]

>>14546051
Every perceived error is perfection. It was fated since the creation of the universe that some things will be corrupted and some things will be exalted. God has his reasons and it is all for his glory. A writer doesn't create a problem because he's a bad writer. It's for character development. It's for a plot device. We have no reason to believe it's any different. In the failures and deviations of the world, we see the need for guidance and for investigation. If everything was clear cut and without a doubt, we wouldn't think things through with reason. We would accept religion as dogma. God doesn't want blind acceptance, but rational provocation to faith.

[Anonymous No.14546102]

>>14546073
Alright I'll play along. Alternatively, human limitations could fail to adequately comprehend the scope and majesty of God's vision. A single mind, even one blessed with divinity such as the prophets, struggles to come to terms with God's infinite greatness. Muhammad (alayhi s-salām) came at the apex of a historical progression, completing the work of the prophets before him, and had the force of will and vision to deliver God's truth once and for all.

[Anonymous No.14546116]

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

[Anonymous No.14546138]

>>14546102
The only way to not have any limitation and to see God's scope and majesty fully is to BE God. We can't be God, because then we wouldn't be ourselves. As a result of being something other than God, we must have limitations that God does not have. But if we dare to empathize, to imagine, to humble ourselves, we can at the very least know that we do not know, and that logically there's a conscious force greater than ourselves, and that this force is God.

Even Muhammad was subject to criticism in the Quran. Throughout his revelations, he doesn't react as a prophet who knows it all and who is all wise, all patient, all holy. He reacts like any man would. He's terrified. He hides under his bed and covers himself with his sheets. It's what any man would do. The story of the revelation of the Quran isn't the story of someone who just blindly accepted a divine encounter. It's not the story of someone who knew it all since he was a child. It's the story of someone who wasn't sure what he was seeing. He was afraid and he didn't want any part of this. But through time and through the use of reason, Muhammad came to accept his role as prophet. The truth didn't come all at once, but over the course of 23 years. Not through bold declarations, but through questions. All throughout the Quran, you get more questions than answers. It forces you to ask yourself and to question, rather than make clear cut declarations or commands.

[Anonymous No.14546145]

>>14544622
No context without biography of Muhammad or a commentary. It also isn't ordered chronologically, so have fun making sense of it.

[Anonymous No.14546157]

>>14546145
The Quran isn't about Muhammad, it's about humanity. It absolutely can (and should) be read without any commentaries or hadiths. Reading it this way is more authentic, and reveals a lot more about the Quran, without any prior assumptions about where it comes from or what the background is. Read the Quran for what it is and you will find the truth.

[Anonymous No.14546162]

>>14546145
this, you need context and some background to understand the Quran, especially the first chapters

[Anonymous No.14546236]

>>14546162
How did Muslims manage for the first 300 years? They had no hadiths until Islam was exported to Persia, and the Persians eventually surveyed people and collected a bunch of anecdotes. It's impossible to believe ALL hadiths without some contradicting others. We then need a science of discernment between authentic and inauthentic hadiths. There's also no reason to believe that the tafsirs of the past are somehow more legitimate than any modern day tafsir. Write your own notes and commentaries. Look at the Quran for what it is without biases extrapolated from hadiths or commentaries.

[Anonymous No.14546300]

>>14544622
-Repetition
-Chapters ordered by length rather than chronology
-Lots of focus on specific rituals and practices
-a lot of reference to divine punishment
- tons of superlative adjectives in reference to allah
-Old Testament stories
-only real talk of miracles is about the sayings themselves and challenges for others to create something like it

[Anonymous No.14546431]

>>14546300
THIS

[Anonymous No.14546480]

>>14545917
Thanks bullshitman!

[Anonymous No.14546585]

>>14546145
I always thought this was a pointless argument, the point of the Bible in it's current form is to tell the story of God's chosen people, the purpose of the Quran is to explain existence. The stories are all used to make a point, not to put together an overarching story. If you don't read it with that in mind I suppose it might be a little confusing at first but even so I doubt it if you read a lot as I'm sure the entirety of this board does.

[Anonymous No.14546610]

Epileptic horse lord's guide to fucking sheep

[Anonymous No.14546640]

>>14546610
Isn't that the Bible?

[Anonymous No.14546643]

>>14546046
Cool. Considering he is the man who wrote it, I take action to affiliate him with the quran, like any other rational human.

[Anonymous No.14546652]

>>14544622
>God cut the moon in half and then put it back together
>people actually believe this happened.

[Anonymous No.14547038]

>>14546037

This this this

Every other comment in the thread is irrelevant this is exactly it

[Anonymous No.14547076]

>>14546652
you fucking idiot, it's a metaphor.

[Anonymous No.14547235]

>>14544622
The reason it is considered a harder read despite its short length is because it assumes a lot of knowledge. Also it is known for suddenly changing the subject and tense so most have a hard time following it.

[Anonymous No.14547358]

>>14546037

Came here again to say thank you for this excellent post. I plan on using it when giving dawah to friends who express interest in Islam.

[Anonymous No.14547360]

>>14547076
>the episode where a talking spider saved Mohammed from his enemies
is this also a metaphor?

[Anonymous No.14547366]

>>14547076
>it's a metaphor it's a metaphor it's a metaphor

By far, the majority of Jews, Christians, muslims do not view these things as metaphors but as factual events that happened.

[Anonymous No.14547395]

>>14547076
No , it's not a metaphor.
>>14547360
No ,this happened but the spider didn't talk

[Anonymous No.14547403]

>>14547395
So the moon split in two? You genuinely believe that happened?

[Anonymous No.14547416]

>>14547403
Yes

[Anonymous No.14547437]

>>14544622
this is now an L. Ron Hubbard thread

[Anonymous No.14547439]

>>14547416
So then Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin must have just missed the giant fault line?

[Anonymous No.14547463]

>>14547439
>Implying that we landed on the moon
In all seriousness though it's a miracle , perhaps God stitche the moon back perfectly , perhaps the splitting of the moon was an illusion , perhaps it was a shadow casted by something.

[Anonymous No.14547476]

>>14547463
that's not how the force works!

[Anonymous No.14547482]

>>14547437
based Hubbard poster

[Anonymous No.14548039]

>>14546300
If something is repeated, it's for emphasis. Consider the importance of something that's repeated.

Chapters aren't ordered by length or chronology. It can't be by length because surah 1 is clearly much shorter than surah 2.

The Quran has no focus on rituals and practices. Those are mostly found in the hadith.

[Anonymous No.14548052]

>>14546643
Muhammad didn't write the Quran. According to history, it was Uthman who ordered it to be written. The Quran itself says it was written by angelic scribes. In either case, it wasn't Muhammad who wrote it.

[Anonymous No.14548075]

>>14546652
Context matters. The part of the Quran that says this puts this scenario as a situation where people turn away from God, even though there's clear evidence that everyone can see. The point of the metaphor is that even IF the moon was cut in half, people will try to explain it away as an illusion or as something other than what it is. It's trying to say that miracles don't happen because even if they did, people who disbelieve can never be convinced. The problem isn't that they lack evidence of God. It's that their hearts have been veiled and they claim disbelieve in order to turn away from God.

To claim that it DID happen or that it DIDN'T happen is to totally miss the point of the surah. Would you believe in God if evidence is presented to you? Do you really have an open mind? That's the point.

[Anonymous No.14548100]

>>14547439
If God made the Moon why is it impossible for him to cut it in half and put it back together. Where did the Moon come from? The atoms of the Moon just popped out of nowhere? We believe that the Moon comes from God, a supreme force and intelligence far beyond our understanding. The same God who made the Moon can do anything to the Moon. The Moon can become a cube or it can turn every different color. It's not outside of the realm of possibility because the Moon is under the control of its creator. Reality is under control of its creator. Splitting the Moon in half may seem fantastical to us, but if God wants it to happen, why couldn't it happen?

[Anonymous No.14548130]

Posting from other thread; the unsurpassable Islamic architecture.

[Anonymous No.14548137]

>>14548130
Is this now, dare I say, an Islamic architecture thread? Gaze at this otherworldly beauty, brothers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzigJfnrlU0

[Anonymous No.14548144]

>>14548137
Glory be to God, exalted beyond what they describe.

[Anonymous No.14548149]

>>14548144
لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ تُرْجَعُ الأمُورُ
57.5

[Anonymous No.14548157]

>>14548149
Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish. And The Face of your Lord Full of Majesty and Bounty will remain forever.

[Anonymous No.14548169]

>>14548157
Al-Ghazali's commentary on the perishing verses:

>"It is from this starting-point that Allâh's gnostics rise from metaphors to realities, as one climbs from the lowlands to the mountains; and at the end of their Ascent see, as with the direct sight of eye-witnesses, that there is nothing in existence save Allâh alone, and that "everything perisheth except His Countenance, His Aspect" (wajh); not that it perisheth at some particular moment, but rather it is sempiternally a perishing thing, since it cannot be conceived except as perishing. For each several thing other than Allâh is, when considered in and by itself, pure not-being; and if considered from the "aspect" (wajh) to which existence flows from the Prime Reality, it is viewed as existing, but not in itself, solely from the "aspect" which accompanies Him Who gives it existence. Therefore, the Godaspect is the sole thing in existence. For everything has two aspects, an aspect to itself and an aspect to its Lord: in respect of the first, it is Not-being; but in respect of the God-aspect, it is Being. Therefore there is no Existent except God and the God-aspect, and therefore all things are perishing except the God-aspect from and to all eternity. These gnostics, therefore, have no need await the arising of the Last Uprising in order to hear the Creator proclaim, "To whom is the power this day? To ALLAH! the One, the Not-to-be-withstood; for that summons is.. pealing in their ears always and for ever. Neither do they understand by the cry "Allah is most great" (Allâhu akbar) that He is only "greater" than others. God forbid! For in all existence there is beside Him none for Him to exceed in greatness. No other attains so much as to the degree of co-existence, or of sequent existence, nay of existence at all, except from the Aspect that accompanies Him. All existence is, exclusively, His Aspect."

>“These gnostics, on their return from their Ascent into the heaven of Reality, confess with one voice that they saw nought existent there save the One Real. Some of them, however, arrived at this scientifically, and others experimentally and subjectively. From these last the plurality of things fell away in its entirety. They were drowned in the absolute Unitude, and their intelligences were lost in Its abyss. Therein became they as dumbfounded things. No capacity remained within them save to recall ALLAH; yea, not so much as the capacity to recall their own selves. So there remained nothing with them save ALLAH. They became drunken with a drunkenness wherein the sway of their own intelligence disappeared; so that one exclaimed, "I am The ONE REAL!" and another, "Glory be to ME! How great is MY glory!" and another, "Within this robe is nought but Allâh!" ...But the words of Lovers Passionate in their intoxication and ecstasy must be hidden away and not spoken of."

[Anonymous No.14548688]

>>14547360
yes, it's about coexistence with nature.

[Anonymous No.14548888]

>>14548137
Since the tomb of Shah Ismail is in there, here's one of his poems:

>My name is Shāh Ismā'īl. I am God's mystery. I am the leader of all these ghāzīs.
>My mother is Fātima, my father is 'Ali; and eke I am the Pīr of the Twelve Imāms.
>I have recovered my father's blood from Yazīd. Be sure that I am of Haydarian essence.
>I am the living Khidr and Jesus, son of Mary. I am the Alexander of (my) contemporaries.
>Look you, Yazīd, polytheist and the adept of the Accursed one, I am free from the Ka'ba of hypocrites.
>In me is Prophethood (and) the mystery of Holiness. I follow the path of Muhammad Mustafā.
>I have conquered the world at the point of (my) sword. I am the Qanbar of Murtaza 'Ali.
>My sire is Safī, my father Haydar. Truly I am the Ja'far of the audacious.
>I am a Husaynid and have curses for Yazīd. I am Khatā'ī, a servant of the Shāh's.

[Anonymous No.14548905]

>>14548888
Another one:

>Today I have come to the world as a Master. Know truly that I am Haydar's son.
>I amFereydun,Khosrow,Jamshid, andZahak. I amZal's son (Rostam) and Alexander.
>The mystery of I am the truth is hidden in this my heart. I am the Absolute Truth and what I say is Truth.
>I belong to the religion of the "Adherent of the Ali" and on the Shah's path I am a guide to every one who says: "I am a Muslim." My sign is the "Crown of Happiness".
>I am the signet-ring onSulayman's finger.Muhammadis made of light, Ali of Mystery.
>I am a pearl in the sea of Absolute Reality.
>I am Khatai, the Shah's slave full of shortcomings.
>At thy gate I am the smallest and the last [servant].

[Anonymous No.14549223]

>>14546236
>How did Muslims manage for the first 300 years?
I suppose there was probably some sort of living tradition which made up for it. I also remembering reading something about how much of early Islamic thought came from fiqh rulings.

[Anonymous No.14549286]

>>14544709
HUMINA HUMINA AWOOGA MOOOO

[Anonymous No.14549389]

>>14544622
A bunch of stories stolen from NT christian apocrypha

[Anonymous No.14550262]

>>14548169
Based.

[Anonymous No.14550281]

>>14548075
So God ddidnt do it but it is written down as so? If thete were an Allah he would be so mean to let his children suffer so.

[Anonymous No.14550294]

If allah exisfed he would stick me my winer inside of druze buttcheeks

[Anonymous No.14550316]

>>14550281
It's written in the past tense that can by interpreted as future tense but Hadiths say that the moon was split at the time of Muhammed

[Anonymous No.14551019]

>>14548039
I understand why repetition is used

Whilst it might not be ordered exactly by chapter length it is a pretty noticeable trend within the text.

By rituals and practices I’m including all practices muslims would consider laws like dealing with menstration, diet, divorce and inheritance ect.

[Anonymous No.14551118]

>>14544622
Truth.

[Anonymous No.14551140]

It will change your life if you let it.

[Anonymous No.14551246]

>>14551140
Every moment you live changes your life.

[Anonymous No.14551284]

You're in for gay sex inside of your anus

[Anonymous No.14551898]

>>14546039
>a moon god
every single time
you faggots don't even know what the fuck you are talking about do you? gullible kafirs

[Anonymous No.14552010]

>>14551898
kuffar are literally a lesser lifeform.

[Anonymous No.14552185]

>>14551898
Imagine actually wasting time reading islamic literature lmao

[Anonymous No.14552256]

Say: I refuge in the Lord of Men,
King of Men,
God of Men,
From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,
Who whispereth in the hearts of Men,
Of the Demon and Men.

legacy.quran.com

[Anonymous No.14552284]

>>14544622
Rape, murder, and torture

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14552285]

>>14544622
Another hoax

[Anonymous No.14552289]

The Calamity!
What be the Calamity?
Ah, what will convey unto thee what be the Calamity!
A day wherein mankind will be as moths thickly-scattered
And the mountains will become as wool carded.
Then, as for him whose scales are heavy,
He will live a pleasant life.
But as for him whose scales are light,
So be his mother, an Abyss,
Ah, what will convey unto thee what she is! -
Fire, raging

legacy.quran.com/101

[Anonymous No.14552313]

By the fig and the olive,
and Mount Sinai,
and by this land made safe;
Surely We created man of the best stature
Then we reduced him to the lowest of the low,
Save those who believe and do good works, and theirs is a reward unfailing.
So who henceforth will give the lie to thee about the judgment?
Is not God the most conclusive of all judges?

[Anonymous No.14552356]

>>14552285
>Thus spoke the tranny

[Anonymous No.14552364]

>>14550281
The point isn't whether God split the Moon or not. Read the whole chapter. The point isn't to say "THIS happened and you must believe it happened." The point is "this happened (or will happen) or could happen, yet even seeing the evidence in front of their eyes, in a place where everyone can see it (the Moon), they still don't believe.

[Anonymous No.14552388]

>>14544622
>“Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical needs of countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value.”

[Anonymous No.14552396]

The hour drew nigh and the moon was split.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.
They denied and followed their own lusts. Yet everything will come to a decision
And surely there hath come unto them news whereof the purport should deter,
Effective wisdom; but warnings avail not.
So withdraw from them on the day when the Summoner summoneth unto a painful thing.
With downcast eyes, they come forth from the graves as they were locusts spread abroad,
Hastening toward the summoner; the disbelievers say: This is a hard day.
The folk of Noah denied before them, yea, they denied Our servant and said: A madman; and he was repulsed.
So he cried unto his Lord, saying: I am vanquished, so give help.
Then opened We the gates of heaven with pouring water
And caused the earth to gush forth springs, so that the waters met for a predestined purpose.
And We carried him upon a thing of planks and nails,
That ran in Our sight, as a reward for him who was rejected.
And verily We left it as a token; but is there any that remembereth?

[Anonymous No.14552436]

And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.
So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you servants of Ours of great might who ravaged country, and it was a threat performed.
Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.
If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them. So, when the time for the second came to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.
It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat, We shall repeat, and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.
Lo! this recitation guideth unto that which is straightest, and giveth tidings unto the believers who do good works that theirs will be a great reward.
And that those who believe not in the Hereafter, for them We have prepared a painful doom.
Man prayeth for evil as he prayeth for good, for man was ever hasty.