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I understand nothing about philosophy, zero, nothing. Where do I start to get a basic grasp?

>> No.14530268
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>>14530263
Read this:
https://www.readthesequences.com/

>> No.14530272

Read Thomas Nagel: What Does It All Mean?: A Very Short Introduction to Philosophy

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>>14530268
Yes, read stuff by a guy who is most known for writing harry potter fan fiction, boasting about his "genius level IQ", and making up the most elaborate excuse in history for being a fat fuck. pic related, take your fucking LW rationality shit out of here.

>>14530272
At least this answers the question.

>> No.14530308

>>14530263
Again the greeks.

Plato-
Apology and Republic for just a toe dip.

>> No.14530373

>>14530263
Genesis, Job, Gospel according to John, then the Greeks

>> No.14530490

Read marx

>> No.14530555

>>14530308
I agree that he should begin with the Greeks.
But if he is just starting out, I would advice against reading original works. They might appear too complex and assume a certain degree of background knowledge (when Plato talks about myths and invokes Presocratic philosophies) and the dialogue form and somewhat antiquated style can also be perceived as off putting.
I’d recommend “The dream of Reason” by Anthony Gottlieb. If you can read German I’d also suggest “Die philosophische Hintertreppe” by Wilhelm Weischedel. That’s how I got interested in it during my adolescence.

>> No.14530571

>>14530263
start with the chinks

>> No.14530850

read Hegel

>> No.14530899

>>14530263
History of philosophy without any gaps

>> No.14530902

>>14530291
muh disprivilege lol

>> No.14530910

Start with the Greeks. And don't start with the Republic like a moron. Read his shorter dialogues like Ion and Euthyphro and work your way up.

>> No.14530922

>>14530263
read parfit

>> No.14530923

>>14530555
I guess. I’m an American and I know that I was taught all the prerequisite myths in grade school as well as just of Iliad and odyssey. I kinda assumed op had some basis with Greek culture.

>> No.14530936

>>14530263
/lit/ philosophy project after you read these:

Hermetica / Upanishads / Bhagavad Gita / Dammapada / Analects / Tao Te Ching / Yoga Sutras

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I think this is a better introduction than a history of philosophy.

Also here's a youtube series that's actually good. He takes you from Socrates to Tillich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY

>> No.14530948

>>14530263
read hegel

>> No.14530953

>>14530943
I haven't heard of it, thanks. I like history of philosophy, too, though. And the books are pretty cheap

>> No.14530958

>>14530953
check out the /lit/ philosophy project, it's a very thorough guide to learning philosophy

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these are old as fuck though

>> No.14530979

>>14530263
I must admit I felt a little uneasy
When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoes
Tangled up in blue

>> No.14531042

>>14530291
Eliezer needs his ass ravaged by a pack of wild animals.

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This is truly all you need. Feel free to start with The First Philosophers

>> No.14531061

>>14531046
Kant, hegel, wittgenstein, nietsche, kierkegaard, schopenhaur.

You'd also be missing out on all of eastern philosophy.

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>>14530263
Ignore ALL these other guys and listen to me: Start with pic related, then:
Waterfield's First Philosophers / Plato's Republic / Aristotle's Organon / Epicurus's Essentials
Augustine's Confessions / Aquinas's Shorter Summa
Descartes Meditations / Spinoza's Ethics / Leibniz's Discourse
Locke's Human Understanding / Berkely's Human Understanding / Hume's Human Understanding
Kant Prolegomena To Any Future Metaphysics / Hegel's Philosophy Of History / Schoppenhaur's Four Fold Root
Stirner's Ego And It's Own / Kierkegaard's Either Or / Nietzsche's Beyond Good And Evil

>> No.14531087

>>14530979
Get back, honky cat..

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>>14531080
honestly, the book in your jpg is the most important book, to begin with. It sets you up to get the most out of the works you read. All of pic related is a great start to any autodidactic journey.

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>>14531102
a better image

>> No.14531223

Al Farabi into Husserl and you're done.

>> No.14531696

>>14531102
I'm starting to dig into philosophy is well
I want to have a deeper understanding of my readings but a 400+ page book on how to read seems a bit...much

>> No.14531771

>>14530263
Socrates is wise because he acknowledges that he does not know everything. For a black Smith is more wiser then him at his craft

>> No.14531794

>>14530291
Uh this guy again.

>> No.14531805

>>14530291
he's not entirely wrong though. thank god i'm high test as fuck and don't hold fat or such gay opinions.

>> No.14531819

>>14531696
There's a summary of it online that goes over all the rules, it won't cement in your brain if you go that route though. Most of the books in that chart are at least 300 pages long, so you might as just put in the week it would take to read each of them. It's better to invest the work upfront than a struggle over time. In other words, those that practice get their failures over with early, those that don't will fail all their lives.

>> No.14531838

>>14531080
>Mortimer Jerome Adler was an American educator, philosopher, and popular author. As a philosopher he worked with Aristotelian and Thomistic thought.
based. actually gonna read this now after seeing it memed so much and ignoring it

>> No.14532178

>>14530263
http://esotericawakening.com/is-dharma-fluid

>> No.14532238

First you gotta get a basic grasp of deez nuts

>> No.14532251

>>14530263
Fuck books. Greg Sadler only.

>> No.14532262

>>14531819
makes sense. have been struggling with the republic, this might help

>> No.14532267

>>14530263
Start with your own original thoughts. Then move on to the Greeks.

>> No.14532505

>>14532267
I'd hope that anyone that can read has at least a few original thoughts or at least ones they think are original to them.

>> No.14532564

Start with Aristotle's categories, prior and posterior analytics, topics,
metaphysics, nicomachean and eudemian ethics, and politics. There, you finished the important parts of the philosopher who actually matters. Read whoever you want after that.

>> No.14532615

>>14530263
One important thing to mention is that there is philosophical knowledge, and philosophical understanding. By itself, the explanations of “ontology of this guy, ontology of that guy, etc.” are only good for taking a test, and are as useful as lineages of ancient gods to a modern person. You need to question what we can say about the world around us, and how we can do it at all, yourself to follow the thoughts instead of reading about them.

>> No.14532677

>>14532615
Doesn't your second statement contradict your first one? By reading ontologies later philosopher are you not giving yourself the tools to question the previous ones more adequately? You should always remain true to yourself when coming to terms with the ideas of authors, but isn't that easier with a wider breadth of understanding and context?

>> No.14532694

>>14532615
In other words, how can you follow and disagree with these lines of thinking without having read/understood their stance and the following criticisms afterward?

>> No.14532722

>>14532694
I was merely saying that seeing philosophy as a complex set of factoids (“X said Y”) without understanding why all of that matters does you little good.

>> No.14532752

>>14532722
I'd agree with you there. Even parrots can quote Aristotle and seem wise.

>> No.14532813

>>14532752
Let's invite them to this board.

>> No.14532845

>>14532813
They're already here, that's why there's three pynchon/dfw threads a day.

>> No.14532878

Just do some acid or shrooms.

>> No.14533015

>>14530263
tao te ching
wu wei
max stirner - ego and it's own
from plato all you really need is the cave allegory stuff, from rene d you only need cogito ergo sum for some solid ground
also since you're from 4chan(nel) albert camus - the stranger is also a must
you can also read some leo tolstoy if you want so philosophy lite / a little something to fill the gaps

>> No.14534158

>>14531805
He's low test because he is literally stationary for 99.7% of the day and refuses to eat well or exercise.

>> No.14534357

>>14532251
BASED

>> No.14534366

What u see vs what she sees

>> No.14534369

>>14534366
literally the point ofthe picture

>> No.14534375

>>14530263
you don't, you stay the fuck away from this bullshit and you find something in the real world to draw meaning from. please, don't stay here, it's a dead end i promise you

>> No.14534491

>>14530308
Seriously, why do people not just start with the Greeks?

>> No.14534529

>>14530291
>metabolic disprivilege
saw them supporting Carcass once

>> No.14534549

>>14530263
Read the wiki pages for free before you start in earnest.

>> No.14534590

Bro, people have been starting with the greeks for the last 2000 years. Why do people ask this question everyday?