/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14504174]

>there are people in 2020 who actually still believe in this

[Anonymous No.14504182]

>>14504174
not me, though it fun book to read.

[Anonymous No.14504185]

>There are still people, in Clown World 2020, who still think like this.

[Anonymous No.14504190]

>>14504182
It definitely is, until it randomly drops crazy stuff like God demanding the Israelite's to kill their first borns as a sacrifice in Exodus out of nowhere

[Anonymous No.14504191]

>>14504174
>there are Christians in 2020 who think the world was literally created in 6 human days
>there are atheists in 2020 who think the historicity of Genesis has anything to do with philosophical arguments about an unmoved mover

[Anonymous No.14504199]

>>14504185
Big brain view is to not believe in God, yet still believe in all the social/moral/individual prescriptions out of most of Christianity. I read Thomas and there is no going back after that. He is right about the nature of sin, about the manifold abominations out there. In fact, metaphysics aside, what he writes is perfectly logical.

[Anonymous No.14504207]

>>14504199
>Big brain view is to not believe in God, yet still believe in all the social/moral/individual prescriptions out of most of Christianity.
Not believing in God is a wrong way of phrasing it. Acting as you believe in God is the correct way to phrase it in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.14504208]

>>14504199
Or you could ditch all the God stuff and just be a good person

[Anonymous No.14504224]

This >>14504199. I'm an atheist, but after watching Jordan Peterson talks about The Holy Bible, tradition, the ancient knowledge and Order and Chaos, I've been christianpilled. The Way of Life is to don't believe in God, but nevertheless try to follow the example of Christ.

[Anonymous No.14504232]

>>14504224
>but after watching Jordan Peterson talks about The Holy Bible, tradition, the ancient knowledge and Order and Chaos, I've been christianpilled

Dear lord, you can't be this retarded

[Anonymous No.14504243]

Higher power is the tribe. It's beyond our understanding because it has literally N times more experience than the individual. Act in accordance with what would be best for the tribe on the longest timescale conceivable. If everyone in the tribe operates this way you have manifested paradise. If just one individual goes rogue things will deteriorate for all. Life is one big prisoner's dilemma.

[Anonymous No.14504257]

>>14504232
You are the retarded. That is basic Logotherapy, to live in a virtuous and purposeful manner. Tradition is a good meaning for life, it has passed the test of time.

[Anonymous No.14504297]

>>14504185
>either you believe some utterly insane made up bullshit from ancient primitive history or you support ultra-liberal depravity

Is this the falsest dichotomy ever? Besides you’ll find many of those people are various flavours of newage, pagan and satanists.

[Anonymous No.14504313]

>>14504199
Cultural Christianity is the answer.
>>14504208
>dude just don't be a dick lmao
Leads to >>14504185

[Anonymous No.14504326]

>>14504190
How is it random? It is prefigured strongly by Cain and Abel.

Abel, who gives God his best, gives good sacrifice. Cain, who gives God what remains, gives bad sacrifice. Cain mocks God by making Abel, who is good before the Lord, a bloody sacrifice. Israelites are a stubborn people and Cain's sin has covered the Earth. They wish to give God bloody sacrifices like the pagan's and like Cain. God tells them that by justice alone, because God has created them and sustains them, they cannot possibly repay the debt to God which would be fair by the covenant; after all, God has given them salvation, and they have nothing to offer which is not already God's. Therefore, he tells them that if they wanted to bloodily give to God what is God's, the closest they could come would be to give up their greatest possession--their first-born son. Of course, God does not want them to kill their Children; God made those children, and he would not make them only for them to be sacrificed. So God says out of righteousness and mercy I will allow you to offer a portion of the foreskin of your first-born as a sign and a ransom for my covenant with you. Over many centuries, they fall more and more into unrighteousness. While the continue to hold themselves above all other nations in pride, more and more to they act and behave like those other nations with which God has no covenant. So, God, in his mercy, gives to the Israelites his own first-born son--Jesus. God gives Jesus to the Jews lawfully, even having him be circumcised to fall entirely under the old law, even though, as God, Christ has no need of it. And what happens? Christ lets himself be made a bloody sacrifice. The pharisees try to have him killed in order to anger the nation that they might rebel against Rome, a false sacrifice. But Christ's submission and obedience means he gives himself freely and fully, becoming both victim and offerant of the sacrifice. And so, in one action, the High Priest renounces the old covenant of the Jews, and Christ institutes a new covenant in which his own life is the only sacrifice, perpetually offered in every mass. And because, like Esau, the Jews threw away their inheritance, it is given to all peoples.

There is nothing arbitrary in any of the books included as canon.

[Anonymous No.14504334]

>>14504326
I love how whenever God isn’t being a complete douche, its out of “mercy”.

[Anonymous No.14504341]

I'm going to be honest guys: I hate christianity. I think it is the most disgusting thing to ever exist. The amount of torment and misery it has caused is unquantifiable. I want to see every christian killed. Nietzsche was 100% correct in his prognostication of this putrid religion, it is the most brazenly nihilistic mentality to ever afflict humanity. I hate it so much, bros.

[Anonymous No.14504345]

>>14504208
The entire ethos, brainlet, is that people are fundamentally wicked. You cannot be a "good person" on your own accord and if you assert such or feel such, then you are, in point of fact, a very prideful and bad person.

[Anonymous No.14504359]

>>14504334
Have you ever given a gift to someone, only to have them throw it away?

[Anonymous No.14504378]

>>14504341
Based. Nihilistic is right. But more alarming than the nihilism is the misanthropy. No philosophy holds man in such poor esteem that his very nature condemns him to an eternity of torment. Even misanthropes, say of the ecological variety, just want man dead and out of the way. Many christians revel in the idea of nonbelievers being tortured in hell.

[Anonymous No.14504379]

>>14504185
We still have capitalism

[Anonymous No.14504386]

>>14504359
I hope you aren’t saying that life is a gift. That’s simply not the case in light of Christian eschatology.

[Anonymous No.14504389]

>>14504345
Hey, I'm not the anon you are responding to. However, you must recognize that when you call yourself Christian, and you proselytize for God, you set yourself up as an example of all Christians. If you cannot argue your faith in charity and love, and if you cannot refrain from petty names, I strongly suggest that you leave the defense of the faith to others. In these kinds of conversations, you do not represent yourself, but Christ. Your goal, then, should not be to win or to "own" somebody, but to let Christ speak through you.

[Anonymous No.14504391]

>>14504341
I hate Christianity and love christians. I sincerely want to help them break free of their shameful bondage. I believe they will be just as good individuals as they were before, but no longer burdened by fabricated stress.

[Anonymous No.14504404]

>>14504341
I hate Christianity and love christians. I sincerely want to help them break free of their shame keeping them in bondage. I believe they will be just as good individuals as they were before, but no longer burdened by fabricated stress. It's ok to be merely human.

[Anonymous No.14504406]

>>14504379
Capitalism is how you get the lefthand side. When you give a catman buying power then sonebody will be there to do the catman surgery to turn him into a catman because they want the money. A properly centralized economy would say “fuck off with that nonsense”

[Anonymous No.14504411]

>>14504386
Have you ever given anyone any kind of gift and been disappointed with their response?

[Anonymous No.14504415]

>>14504185
Ya know, topless chicks with dreads and face tats isn't such a bad world

[Anonymous No.14504417]

>>14504391 ignore
>>14504404 this
Fuck captcha

[Anonymous No.14504422]

>>14504334
Imagine being this childish
>give me what I deserve whaaaaa!
You deserve nothing more than hellfire. Be thankful you receive what you dont deserve

[Anonymous No.14504430]

>>14504341
If it can't be quantified, how do you know how much misery it has caused? I guess now that we're freed from all that misery, isn't a little strange that more people are killing themselves than ever before?

[Anonymous No.14504435]

>>14504406
>properly centralized economy
It doesnt have to be centralized to dictate that doctors abide by the hippocratic oath and to institute the mentally

[Anonymous No.14504440]

>>14504415
What is good about it?

[Anonymous No.14504442]

>>14504422
I didn’t deserve to be forced to exist in the first place, you fucking simp. And something tells me you wont be obsequiously defending hellfire when you’re the one burning because St. Paul rejected your salvation voucher.

[Anonymous No.14504460]

>>14504442
>I wish I was never born wahhhhhh
Anti christians never mature past adolescence

[Anonymous No.14504495]

Dear Christian Brothers. It seems somewhat sad that such a simple idea that has long been known on the internet would ever need be repeated, but don't feed the trolls. If someone is responding to you in any kind of anger, their goal is not a discussion, but to make you angry. When you respond in anger, when you let loose foul and uncharitable words, you sin. If you cannot write in love for the person you respond to, then do not respond. Do not even come here. God wants all to be in communion with him. If you treat a man with contempt for his lack of faith, there is a good chance you will both find yourself on the wrong side of judgement.

[Anonymous No.14504504]

>>14504495
hehe god eats poo poo for breakfast

[Anonymous No.14504521]

>>14504495
A well placed reminder. I find that these discussions are always in vanity

>Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
>And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Anonymous No.14504522]

>>14504460
Why “mature” past adolescence? At that point you’re literally just giving up ideals to anchor yourself to some widely established belief system and its attendant group. I enjoy being correct and sensible all the time. The man who is willing to engage with a dialogue over the merits of his ideas is one who can be dissuaded from them. If he can be dissuaded from them then he never believed in them to begin with. When you wake up every day saying I am right and everyone else is wrong, then you’re standing on philosophical bedrock. And Jesus did not uphold maturity as some great ideal himself. He spoke of the authenticity of a child as an ideal his disciples should look towards. Let’s be honest, maturity is nothing more than an increased propensity and facility towards equivocation, dissimulation and thus even self-deception.

[Anonymous No.14504533]

>>14504208
the entire conversation is based upon the fact that what you said isn't realistic

[Anonymous No.14504538]

>>14504460
>lol ya big baby, what are you just going to whine because you’re going to be tortured forever? Hahaha, look at the little baby who doesn’t want to go to hell just because he exists.

Yeah, Christians are insane.

[Anonymous No.14504541]

>>14504415
It actually is a terrible world, one bent on hedonism and useless stupid distractions. Imagine the god-like vision on the left and we decide to waste everything to lower ourselves to the level of animals, and then pervert it even further so as to become less than that even. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.14504542]

>>14504504
Despite your joke, I get the sense that you've actually spent a not insignificant amount of time researching various faith traditions online, even if nothing more than Wikipedia summaries. So, a genuine question, recognizing that there are certain similarities between Christian symbolism and the mythological symbolism of other faiths, are you aware of any other religions which identify the Savior as the Son of God, as the Word of God, as God himself? While I'm sure these ideas show up other places, to my knowledge only Christianity explicitly suggests that these four things actually share a perfect identity with each other.

[Anonymous No.14504557]

>>14504522
Based and Diogenesepilled

[Anonymous No.14504560]

>>14504542
Shut the fuck up. Life needn’t be as bleak as Christianity makes it out to be.

[Anonymous No.14504565]

>>14504560
I don't find it bleak. What do you consider to be so bleak about it?

[Anonymous No.14504581]

>>14504538
>admits to the existence of hell fire
>chooses it out of spite
>thinks this is mature and reasonable
Nothing more than an emotional tantrum

[Anonymous No.14504590]

>>14504565
The idea that almost everyone is going to a pit of eternal agony, especially because of any lack of familiarity with this importunate God. The popularity of Christianity and Islam says a lot more about optimism-bias than how pleasant their narratives are. If Christianity and Islam can be considered optimistic then anything else could be as well.

[Anonymous No.14504601]

>>14504581
>admits he doesn’t understand the socratic method
>will probably choose to ignore it out of spite
Nothing more than retardation

[Anonymous No.14504618]

>>14504601
Nothing you said is socratic in method
If you are in anguish over hellfire, then you must accept it is real, otherwise there would be no need for anguish. If you accept you are going to hell, you do so knowing that you can you choose not to go to hell. If you regret existing at all because you dont want to choose Jesus but also dont want hell, then you are childish.
If you dont believe in hell at all and are entertaining thoughts of anguish about it to spite a christian, then you are childish for that as well. Your whole position is retarded

[Anonymous No.14504623]

what do christfags think about Catholics?

[Anonymous No.14504649]

>>14504590
Well, I think your coming from an explicitly materialistic mindset instead of seeing it as a worldview. The idea that humans have the capability to achieve a greater good, one that predicates intent and virtue bereft of the seeming futility of the material, and that it is fully something within ones power, is exceedingly liberating. I use to be anti Christian as well until I started with the Greeks and read through the annals of Plato Aristotle, a senseier and in context reading of the Bible, Augustine etc. I’m personally still not Christian, but I can observe the great universal optimism in the tradition.

[Anonymous No.14504650]

>>14504590
It's interesting that you 1. consider Christianity and Islam to have the same/similar concepts of heaven, sin, and redemption, and 2. consider alternative theologies more optimistic; for most of history, Christianity has been disregarded as too hopeful, almost childish in its optimism.

[Anonymous No.14504652]

>>14504581
>>14504601
To elaborate. No, I don’t admit the validity of your insane eschatology. I’m just going along with the premise to expose your cruelty and ignorance (to great effect I might add). If you saw people running out of a burning building and they were on fire would you mock them by saying “serves you right for being in a building that caught on fire”. No? Why not? It would be no less reasonable than saying people should not malign their own existences if hell (the christian or islamic conception of it) is a reality (which it probably and hopefully isn’t.

[Anonymous No.14504655]

>>14504590
I would like to point out that I am >>14504650
and >>14504565, not >>14504649.

[Anonymous No.14504658]

>>14504174
>>14504526
Debate me Christcucks. Come, fight me.

[Anonymous No.14504672]

>>14504207
not believing in God is atheism which literally every midwit believes. high IQ and low IQ people are believers

[Anonymous No.14504682]

>>14504650
They don’t differ in any way that matters to me. They are both based on meeting some extremely narrow set of standards of living in holiness to please a cosmic horror that has purposed you to an existence of severe eternal punishment if you fail to meet that narrow standard.

[Anonymous No.14504687]

>>14504652
The idea that Christians are morally defective for their belief in Hell is probably the lowest fedora argument possible. You act as if going to hell is as accidental as being caught in a building that caught fire. Its not random. If you walked into a burning fire while people begged and pleaded with you not to, only for you to respond "get rekt christuck lmao" then we would all agree that you chose what you got.
If hell is a reality, then surely the accompanying islamic and christian heaven is too. You have the free will to choose salvation. In that case, there is no need to malign your existence because hellfire is not inevitable. You're trying to create this Frankenstein mindset combining hell and atheism without redemption and calling it Christian.

[Anonymous No.14504693]

>>14504672
Really high IQ people believe in a cruel god.

[Anonymous No.14504694]

>>14504682
And what is that narrow standard?

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>>14504406
>a properly centralized economy will never abide to the fetishistic demands of a catman because, despite the rational agency of upwards mobility being the substrate of capitalistic ideation, a catman will never hold any sort of decision making power and will never find himself among the rank and file of "job creators" and "entrepreneurs" and "philanthropists" and other such capitalist ubermensch

literally as utopian and naive as communism

[Anonymous No.14504730]

>>14504658
Those are faggy arguments loaded with assumptions.
>God will send most people to Hell, but he is a merciful being
Do they deserve it? If yes, then God is merciful for sparing a good portion of humanity.
>God will send all unborn babies and virtuous pagans to Hell, but he is a merciful being
Where did you get that idea, for the unborn babies? Or the virtuous pagans?
>God doesn't give a fuck about the innocent and about animals, but he is a merciful being
>God uses the existence of Evil to educate his masochistic followers, but he is a merciful being
>God created a world where suffering is abundant and misery is the rule, but he is a merciful being
Suffering is not inherently evil. If God the Father sent God the Son to suffer a tortuous execution (and a spiritual one, as well), then what does that say about suffering? Those who suffer on the account of Christ will receive "a better resurrection." God will judge everyone personally, it's not just one thing or the other.
>Most followers of the Christian God are bloodthirsty egoistic hypocrites, ,but he is a merciful being
Now you're just projecting your own bitterness and psyche.
>God already knows what you are going to do and your free will is meaningless, but he is a merciful being
I know you'll probably read this and seethe and continue to hate Christians, Christianity, and God. I guess that means you're free will is void, too, since I know you're buttblasted before you even seethe more.

[Anonymous No.14504734]

>>14504687
It is in fact MORE accidental. Just being born into this world is supposed to expose you to an incredible level of danger and the Bible says it is hard to be saved from this danger, not easy. If you don’t believe in “works based” salvation then you haven’t read the Bible properly. There is absolutely no substance to sitting on your ass Andersonity. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.14504737]

>>14504174
>HURR DURR BIBLE IS STUPID
mate this is timeless wisdom stop being a nonce

>Though I am innocent, my own mouth would condemn me; though I am blameless, he would prove me perverse.
>I am blameless; I regard not myself; I loathe my life.
>It is all one; therefore I say, he destroys both the blameless and the wicked.
>When disaster brings sudden death, he mocks at the calamity of the innocent.
>The earth is given into the hands of the wicked; he covers the faces of its judges—if it is not he, who then is it?
>My days are swifter than a runner; they flee away, they see no good.
>They go by like skiffs of reeds, like an eagle swooping on the prey.
>If I say, ‘I will forget my complaint, I will put off my sad countenance, and be of good cheer,’
>I become afraid of all my suffering, for I know thou wilt not hold me innocent.
>I shall be condemned; why then do I labor in vain?
>If I wash myself with snow, and cleanse my hands with lye,
>yet thou wilt plunge me into a pit, and my own clothes will abhor me.
>For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together.
>There is no umpire between us, who might lay his hand upon us both.
>Let him take his rod away from me, and let not dread of him terrify me.
>Then I would speak without fear of him, for I am not so in myself.

[Anonymous No.14504758]

I hate with a burning passion every atheist/agnostic for thinking their position is in any way intelligent, yet its so common. It’s like as soon as they turned 11 and realized the Protestant concept of sky daddy was wrong, they didn’t even bother to attempt to understand what God really is. FUCK all you pseuds looking at the bible as ‘pragmatic’, go back to watching Jordan Peterson and endlessly consuming non-fiction and self-help books.

[Anonymous No.14504764]

>>14504737
Incredible. I've not read Job all the way through before. I did not know that he prayed for the coming of Christ. He was truly a clear-sighted and righteous man.

[Anonymous No.14504788]

>>14504734
>Just being born into this world is supposed to expose you to an incredible level of danger and the Bible says it is hard to be saved from this danger, not easy.
What danger? Physical danger? Assuming an afterlife (which we both are doing) physical danger doesnt matter. Spiritual danger? If you abide in God, then you will be redeemed.
>salvation by works
On the contrary, the Bible places a greater emphasis on grace and faith than on works. I dont think its either/or, but grace most definitely comes first. I reject your works based premise, which negates your argument as a whole.
But assuming its correct, and assuming faith in God (which we necessarily assume when we assume Hell), you would have to conclude that works are a good in themself and make them worth doing, which makes life worth living. If life is worth living for rhe sake of doing good works, then maligning life would be absurd.
Your argument fails in that it again tries to mix atheist notions with christian ones and concludes the result as christian.

[Anonymous No.14504798]

>>14504758
Brother, in condemning them, you condemn yourself. Go and confess. While they still live, they still have hope. Even while Christ hung on the cross, he prayed the father to forgive his crucifiers, for they knew not what they did. I say this to you not as a superior, but as a friend and an example, because few people have been a greater hypocrite than I. Love your enemy. Pray for your enemy. Suffer your enemy. After all, who are you that it should matter what pain they cause you? How important are you that your offense is of any consideration? No, it is God they offend. And if God suffered them in his death, if God suffers them by giving them life, then let us also suffer them while they live. For if we cannot help them our of their sin, what hope do they have? And what right do we have to deny them that which God gave to them in his life?

[Anonymous No.14504805]

>>14504758
>it’s like as soon as they turned 11 and realized the Protestant concept of sky daddy was wrong
Catholics have the same problem

[Anonymous No.14504818]

>>14504798

This sounds like fruit of the Spirit. So many forget that we are supposed to love and pray for our friends and enemies that it's sad.

[Anonymous No.14504852]

>>14504730
The reason they don’t deserve it is because they didn’t will themselves into a fallen existence, their parents and God did. Guilt isn’t just some magical thing, its based on culpability and wilful participation such. People have no culpability for their own coming into existence, so how can they be said to deserve to be punished by virtue of it? I’m also quite certain none of us participated in a coup detat to depose God nor did we eat some piece of fruit despite having communed with him and being told not to. Christianity simply fundamentally doesn’t understand what guilt even is.

[Anonymous No.14504873]

>>14504852
They're also entitled to the free gift of salvation which absolves of sin. Atheist arguments focus on hell but neglect salvation and undermine themselves

[Anonymous No.14504874]

>>14504788
>its easy bro. All you gotta do is abide in faith.

I can’t believe how wilfully disingenuous you’re being right now. At least one thing that seems agreeable between my own views and christianity is that apologists like yourself, intellectualizing christianity into sone absymmal thing aren’t the ones who will be saved.

[Anonymous No.14504876]

>>14504185
If the notion of god is required to keep people in line so they dont become degenerate scum, then its all pointless, just end humanity today

[Anonymous No.14504891]

>>14504874
Wow,not a single argument! Hey, you even misrepresented what I said, and claimed I was lying too!
Truly the height of fedora argumentation.

[Anonymous No.14504910]

>>14504873
I’m not ignoring salvation. I’m only talking about it in biblical terms as something that is not easily attained, despite how ruthlessly dishonest you’re being. You can call it a “free gift” till your blue in the face. Its not a coupon that you can redeem with a few words and ceremonies. and the worst part is you know it, and you’re being a weasel. I’d hate to think what your god must think of you for saying salvation is a free gift because it costs nothing, rather than in its proper biblical context as something no man can amass the wealth to pay for.

[Anonymous No.14504922]

>>14504891
Why should I try to argue with a ideologue maniac? When you can convince yourself that your own family should be tormented forever because they exist, then you’ve really dug your heals into the mud of unreason and savagery.

[Anonymous No.14504927]

>>14504415
>>14504440
>>14504541
>>14504185
It's just other people.

I mean, if you don't like it, don't do any tattoos, you can always raise your own flags, wear the shirts you like, choose not dye your hair, etc. If you don't like it, then don't talk to those people. There are plenty of other people doing plenty of other things, some will be strange and hateful to you, others you'll enjoy.

[Anonymous No.14504935]

>>14504805
I agree, but Catholicism and Protestantism are indistinguishable in the modern age in my opinion. The average member has the same beliefs

[Anonymous No.14504939]

Y did God never say hi to the Aborigines?

[Anonymous No.14504941]

>>14504927
I’m the guy arguing with the Christians ITT and I can say this is the whole problem right here. If we just abandoned in this naive fantasy that there are actions which don’t effect culture and society in some way, we’d be able to combat degeneracy without returning to prmitivism.

[Anonymous No.14504954]

>>14504939
It's still in debate whether they're actually human or not.

[Anonymous No.14504956]

>>14504922
Now you're reverting back to an argument I already disproved. Then you back it up by the most extreme works based theory that has literally no basis in scripture at all, and you continue to misrepresent what I said all the while saying i'm a liar. You have some contorted idea of christianity and hell, project it onto every other Christian, demean them as evil for it, and then condemn them to hell for disagreeing with you. Typical atheist, completely ignorant of the subject matter he's most obsessed with and pathologically infected over.

[Anonymous No.14504962]

>>14504341
This, but for all abrahamic death cults, not just christianity.

[Anonymous No.14504981]

>>14504618
Totally true, that guy is retarded

[Anonymous No.14504982]

If you can conceive the idea of Muslims/Hindus/Catholics being very very wrong about the the state of affairs
Why is that so hard to turn around?

[Anonymous No.14505017]

For any Christians here please keep my brother and my uncle in prayer. They both know about Christ, my brother even goes to church with us, but aside from praying for them I'm not sure what else to do. (Anytime I try to discuss Christ with my bro he makes it clear he doesn't believe and has no desire to talk about it, my uncle is a drunk man that we rarely see anymore.)

[Anonymous No.14505031]

>>14504389
I don't believe in God. I just wanted to point out his sheer stupidy and you can't handle it, then please, go back where you belong, reddit.

[Anonymous No.14505047]

>>14504956
I don’t condemn you to hell. You do that for yourself. Personally I can’t see how you have done anything worthy of such a severe condemnation. And I don’t know why you suppose I’m an atheist just because I dismissed the religions based on eternal torment for disbelief as being a bit “on the nose”.

[Anonymous No.14505058]

>>14505017
The saints rejoice at the damnation of the reprobate heaven. If they do not accept you, let alone the eternal truth, then leave them to their nothingness. Otherwise, their bad example will always be an occasion for you to sin. Do not give what is holy to swine and dogs.

[Anonymous No.14505066]

>>14505031
Words have power. They carry meaning. If you deal in evil words, don't be surprised if you live in an ugly world.

[Anonymous No.14505071]

>>14505066
Human nature is ugly and people are not inherently good. To assert otherwise is folly, more dangerous than any insult.

[Anonymous No.14505073]

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheists

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33

Daily reminder most philosophers are atheists

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

[Anonymous No.14505075]

Last time I argued with a believer, I said something to the effect of: I'll never agree with someone holding that God is kind, just, and loves me. All those conflicting qualities. Things are far too bad.

He posted me the wikipedia link to 'the problem of evil', as if it was a solved problem

[Anonymous No.14505081]

>>14505073
>the majority of
>the average of
Midwits then. Do not care.

[Anonymous No.14505082]

>>14505058
Seems kinda spiteful desu

[Anonymous No.14505084]

>>14505081
Cringe cope

[Anonymous No.14505087]

>>14505084
Midwit cope.

[Anonymous No.14505091]

>>14505017
Learn prudence. While you should never deny your faith, nor grow tepid, know that it is only by God's grace and their accepting will that they may be saved. Ask yourself, would it be better for them to turn to God, or for you to try to turn them, and in trying, turn them away? Pray for them, and be an example for them. Look for the opportunity to have a conversation, but do not force yourself upon them. If they make you choose between them and the Lord, choose the Lord.

[Anonymous No.14505092]

>>14505087
Low test

[Anonymous No.14505101]

>>14505017
Fuck your brother, fuck your uncle, but most importantly, fuck the holy ghost

[Anonymous No.14505110]

>>14505091
Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.14505120]

>>14505017
Chock another two up for satan. Oh yeah, but he’s not really winning because he’s going to hell too or some crazy bullshit like that.

[Anonymous No.14505124]

>>14505091
reads like satire to me

[Anonymous No.14505131]

>>14505071
Only ugliness is ugly. People may do good and they may do evil. Whichever is their nature, they are equally capable of the other. An insult is a wound to the mind, to memory, to hope, to faith; it inflames a man's weakness and agitates his anxieties. Though his reaction will be his own, you cannot deny that you intended him harm. You might say the murderer is more evil. I say the slanderer is only more cowardly.

[Anonymous No.14505143]

>>14505058
Where do you think you would be if God had taken that attitude with you?

[Anonymous No.14505150]

>>14505073
Define innovation

[Anonymous No.14505157]

>>14505124
Everyone has a story they tell themselves.

[Anonymous No.14505163]

>>14505143
I do not presume my salvation. In fact, at present, I doubt it very much.

[Anonymous No.14505166]

Christians can’t even refute this joke. Its literally their religion in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.14505174]

>>14505163
If God has not given up on you, why do you give up on them?

[Anonymous No.14505176]

>>14505163
And why do you want to have children again?

[Anonymous No.14505189]

>>14504941
I'd argue for the contrary. You would slow down the process and take all of its strenght.

These so called degenerates are thinking the same way you do "no, we can't just be cool and to ourselves, let's protest in a way that we gross moralistfags out, the more we do so, the more we affirm ourselves and fight homophobia and so on". But in doing so, they make everyone angry at them and conservatives feel more threatened and they get the opposite of the respect they say they want.

So you threaten them back "degenerates, degenerates!", they get overly scared and pump up their game too.

Why do you think we have both narratives that the "leftist liberals gay degenerates" have taken over the world and that "fascist racist homophobic pigs" have taken over the world, depending on who you ask? Because each group is fed with flashing images from the absolute worst of the other. These images are what makes the news, and 300+ replies threads, that's what brings likes and retweets, viral printscreens and so on, all messed up with a lot of fakery and exageration. You don't see "gay guy buys a coffee and read a newspaper", but that's what most days are like to most people. You don't see "christian man goes to church on sunday, monday is business as usual", but that's what mostly goes on.

The speed to which social media pushes us made everything develop way too fast for our limited understanding based on our local point of view. These completely different worlds are colliding and we are fed up with ourselves, we're getting heavy doses of people, there is just too much of everyone, everywhere. While a group chat about Christian things and learn more about their inner world, gay people are doing the same in their own little world. And you can spend years watching YT videos of each of these worlds and it will never end. When one thing (an image, a tweet, anything) jumps over to the other side, everyone freaks out. That's why there is this feeling of "where are they coming from?"(from all sides).

What looks like yourself you don't notice, but what is strange feels bigger than it actually is, feels extremely invasive, as if it has spilled all over your life and "ruined society". It is getting bigger, but along with everything else and in a pace we cannot possibly follow. I think we have crossed a turning point in information already, we are living in confusing times because 20-30 years ago our biggest barriers were physical location and lack of information, no smartphone, no google. If an idiot told you an idiotic thing in a bar, you wouldn't think about it twice, but if I'd post the same thing online, then it's a statement, a document, a manifesto. So an idiot says the Earth is flat, there is always going to be that one idiot, it's not an issue at all, but the problem is that now everyone points to him and say "look at that, the most stupid guy on Earth" and that raises a lot of attention and takes huge proportions.

[Anonymous No.14505194]

>>14504334
>Complete douche
Say Evil. Got reservations? Or just trying not to seem like a douche?

[Anonymous No.14505203]

There are Christians that believe hell (or rather the lake of fire) is a temporary punishment until the unsaved are completely burned up. Personally I'm not sure but either way I don't wish anyone to go there.

[Anonymous No.14505204]

>>14505166
So why should it be refuted?

It is essentially true, reduced unto absurdity. This treatment can be performed on any big idea. It disproves nothing, just makes fun of it.

You've had your laugh. What now?

[Anonymous No.14505206]

>>14505189
>Why do you think we have both narratives that the "leftist liberals gay degenerates" have taken over the world and that "fascist racist homophobic pigs" have taken over the world, depending on who you ask?

The reality is that both have taken over for those of us standing outside the Hegelian paradigm.

[Anonymous No.14505212]

>>14505166
A wolf in a trap will bite the man who tries to free him. Even after he is freed, he will attack, or else run away. It is obvious to us when a man is addicted to heroin that he has placed his love in the wrong place, that he seeks salvation in the very thing which ruins him. But it is a simple fact of life that we cannot be helped until we recognize that we need help. Nothing you do will last. No matter how much money you make, you will die. No matter how famous you become, you will be forgotten. You have no power over your life. There is nothing that exists by your will alone. You gather up dust and sow the wind. How long will you wait before you recognize that it is God who is within, and you who are without?

[Anonymous No.14505213]

>>14504411
Yeah, but then again, I'm not an almighty gift-maker that knows how my gift will be received in advance

[Anonymous No.14505217]

>>14505204
The problem of hell poses an insurmountable challenge to christianity. I have literally never heard a good answer to it.

[Anonymous No.14505222]

>>14505212
Christians are NOT nihilist, btw

[Anonymous No.14505224]

>>14505194
Christians will say I can’t purpose terms like evil and good because those are for God to decide. I don’t think “douche” is accorded that same dignity.

[Anonymous No.14505227]

>>14505217
What if it's temporary?

[Anonymous No.14505232]

>>14505217
Hell is the only thing that would make up for the evil on this earth.

[Anonymous No.14505238]

>>14505212
Wow, sounds metal af dude.

[Anonymous No.14505244]

>>14505232
How is what you just said not edgy?

[Anonymous No.14505245]

Could I ever make a sophist argument that would make you drop your faith?

[Anonymous No.14505248]

>>14505227
That would be well outside mainstream christianity, and poses a plethora of scriptural problems on its own.

[Anonymous No.14505252]

Why did God stop doing miracles?

[Anonymous No.14505254]

>>14505166
Turning away from infinite goodness deserves infinite punishment. Did you ever want to help someone and they metaphorically spit in your face and said no. Plato retroactively made the case for hell before Christ was even a thing. I'm thinking you're a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.14505255]

>>14505222
A nihilist says nothing matters and there is no meaning. A Catholic says that nothing matters and there is no meaning without God. If God does not exist, nihilism is the only reasonable conclusion. And so, in light of this, Catholicism is most certainly the Good News.

[Anonymous No.14505264]

>>14505248
This makes me curious: have you ever tried looking up translations from Greek? While I won't say I'm one hundred percent certain I do think it's possible punishment in hell would not last forever.

[Anonymous No.14505265]

>>14505238
Ecclesiastes 3

[Anonymous No.14505269]

>>14505227
That would be okay but its not, unless you’re a buddhist.

[Anonymous No.14505270]

>>14505047
I cant believe how the irony is so lost on you

[Anonymous No.14505273]

>>14505252
Fatima

[Anonymous No.14505275]

>>14505264
No, I don't specialize in Greek translations, but I'm doubtful that disproves the eternity of hell found in mainstream translations of scripture.

[Anonymous No.14505276]

>>14505264
If all eventually go to heaven, then what is sin, and why did Christ die on the cross?

[Anonymous No.14505283]

Anons, i want to read the bible which one should I get? I will most likely read on a kindle if you have a link or something. I've read Genesis through Crumb's graphic novelization (lol), which is great. I'm most interested in Ecclesiastes and Job, which I think might be the most interesting books from the quotes I hear.

[Anonymous No.14505286]

>>14505254
>I’m thinking you’re the brainlet, even though I just finished using the word “retroactively” wrong

[Anonymous No.14505290]

>>14505273
lol

[Anonymous No.14505293]

>>14505270
Well there is no irony for starters. It may be lost on me because it doesn’t exist.

[Anonymous No.14505297]

>>14505276
That's not exactly what I meant, from what I've understood (again not 100% sure here) then it seems the non-believers would burn for a time but would eventually turn to ashes.

[Anonymous No.14505298]

>>14505286
>let me nitpick the linguistic and grammatical nuances because I dont have an argument

[Anonymous No.14505305]

>>14505265
>/metal/ the book “X”

Okay anon. Let me get right on that.

[Anonymous No.14505310]

Kinda unfair tempting sceptical inclined people to hell like this, it's not a choice how my mind clicks

[Anonymous No.14505311]

>>14505217
> I have literally never heard a good answer to it.
9:20 But rather, O man, who are you who answer back to God? Shall the thing molded say to him who molded it, Why did you make me thus?
9:21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay to make out of the same lump one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor?
9:22 And what if God, wishing to demonstrate His wrath and make His power known, endured with much long-suffering vessels of wrath fitted for destruction,
9:23 In order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He had before prepared unto glory,

3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

[Anonymous No.14505320]

>>14505293
>I dont see it therefore it does not exist
A great way to summarize your entire point of view

[Anonymous No.14505323]

>>14505254
Does playing Monty Hall with infinite punishment behind one door seems fair to you?

[Anonymous No.14505326]

>>14505298
>let me go ahead and keep punching above my weight by misusing the term “nuances”
>also there was an argument somewhere in my insulting post and you can’t just insult me and not respond to it

Your “argument” was an appeal to authority and probably not even true. Forgive me, if I doubt someone of your mental constitution has read Plato.

[Anonymous No.14505332]

>>14505311
Bro, you just posted cringe

[Anonymous No.14505347]

>>14505254
>Turning away
I know my own mind, there has never been a "choice" for me, I've not turned away from anything
A God would know that I was insincere if I ever claimed faith
How does this DESERVE any punishment?

[Anonymous No.14505349]

>>14504174
yes.

[Anonymous No.14505356]

>>14505326
>entire post is an unironic ad hominem

[Anonymous No.14505357]

>>14505311
We’re not just pieces of pottery, I’m a sentient being. If some pottery becomes imbued with its own spirit and ability to experience things, then by all means let it answer back; that’s only fair. If the potter won’t listen, then he’s a real jerk. Alright, I’m ready for the next preposterous biblical conceit.

[Anonymous No.14505363]

>>14505326
>turning away from immutable good deserves infinite punishment and was posited by plato
>appeal to authority
You are a moron.

[Anonymous No.14505368]

>>14505320
>I’m going to pretend it exists and make a complete asshole and insensitive jerk of myself defending it because some smart french guy said it was reasonable.

[Anonymous No.14505384]

>>14505357
Whence comes your own life? From yourself?
>answer back
The creation is not greater than the creator. How is God to judge the world?

[Anonymous No.14505395]

>>14505368
I didn't even have the french guy in mind. I'm increasingly amazed at just how far you have put your head in your ass.

[Anonymous No.14505402]

>>14505323
A sinner is like a dying patient that refuses the aid of his physician that would serve to cure him. After enough attempts to help the man and cure him of his disease, the physician will leave him to die if he time and again refuses his course of treatment, much less if he is insulted and hated and reviled.

[Anonymous No.14505406]

>>14505311
If you start out thinking there is a perfect creator to the universe then this is fine because it says "shhh don't ask, he is just great, remember?", it's coherent to how pefect he ought to be

But if you don't believe in God this sounds shit tier fanfiction material, a literal deus ex machina cope argument.

[Anonymous No.14505408]

Atheism vs religion seems to attract the biggest retards on the site. Most philosophy threads are good here, you can tell the people actually read beyond Wikipedia or youtube. Discussion of actual literature has been really helpful for interpretation and some people here have genuine insight. Even threads about religious literature or philosophy on their own are good when there’s no debate outside of the texts discussed going on. Over the years I’ve seen great prose and poetry by anons posted too. Then you enter one of these threads and are reminded how much this site was fucked by reddit in 2016. Just midwit atheists arguing with larpers from /pol/. Fucking embarrassing. It’s not to say good atheism vs theism debates don’t exist, I’ve seen them here, it’s just these specific threads have the same low level dialogue and textbook ideas thrown around every single time. What is it about this subject that attracts pseuds so much? The guenon threads are actually better than this. Fucking hitchens threads are better than this

[Anonymous No.14505414]

>>14505406
If you dont believe in God then its retarded to argue about hell or evil at all

[Anonymous No.14505424]

>>14505384
>Whence comes your own life? From yourself

I wish. Then I might at least actually be guilty of something. But no, I blinked into existence very much without my own will entering into the equation. And if I’m pretty much going off into hell by default then ingratitude cannot be spoken of. The issue is mathematical, a finite number of years on earth is equal to zero against an eternity in hell. So I’m neither responsible nor grateful for my mere existence under your crazy eschatological scheme and that is by pure reason alone.

[Anonymous No.14505431]

>>14505414
Hell is a very useful philosophical idea, the notion of an infinite insult against immutable goodness itself has its roots in the platonic tradition.

[Anonymous No.14505434]

>>14505414
Yes, but if you believe in God it's equally retarded, because hell does not exist.

[Anonymous No.14505441]

>>14505395
You’re the one with no perspective. I bet you aren’t even an antinatalist. A natalist cannot claim to have more perspective than an antinatalist because the antinatalist looks as far into the future as possible.

[Anonymous No.14505446]

>>14505434
Refuted in ths post above you.

[Anonymous No.14505449]

>>14505414
Wrong. Socratic method, bucko. I have every right to engage my philosophical opponents on their own turf. Don’t like it? too bad.

[Anonymous No.14505450]

>>14505424
I'm amazed that even after this retarded argument has been conclusively disproven, without you even attempting to substantiate it, you still shamelessly repeat it as if nothing ever happened.

[Anonymous No.14505451]

>>14505408
Have sex, unironically

[Anonymous No.14505459]

>>14505449
This retard again
Refer back to this >>14504618
Its like atheists are blind to counter arguments

[Anonymous No.14505460]

>>14505402
Analogy and all, but it doesn't hold when it's so far away from how I perceive the world
Obviously I see no Doctor
Or believe myself to be a dying patient

>sinner
Like what? For not believing in something I have never felt to be true?

[Anonymous No.14505469]

>>14505450
Nothing was disproven. That’s just some power fantasy you have. Guilt is based on wilful action and culpability. The christian conception of guilt is anathema to the actual nature of guilt. We’ve moved beyond the sins of the father being paid for by the sons. Now you’re only guilty for things you do in full knowledge. What a not too radical concept.

[Anonymous No.14505483]

>>14505414
If you don't believe in the mind expanding properties of sniffing Glue then it's retarded to argue about it's use as an adhesive

[Anonymous No.14505491]

>>14505459
>please refer to the post that proves I have no fundamental understanding of what the socratic method actually is

I was willing to spare you the embarrassment the first time and you turned away from that kindness. Apparently that means I get to kick your ass or something.

[Anonymous No.14505509]

>>14505469
It was disproven and you had a tantrum and told me I deserve hell for thinking God's grace is the fundamental component in salvation. You are offered a chance at redemption but you lament it because its requirement are too difficult for you to follow through on. The problem here is you, accepting your fate in hell and preferring non existence because being a good person is just too hard for you to be bothered with. I'm down. You're too busy sniffing your shit to even entertain an argument presuming an alternative to hell, despite salvation being the entire purpose of the new testament. You are retarded.

[Anonymous No.14505517]

Look at these bushmen turning away from a God they’ve never heard of. I mean he goes and dies on the cross for them and they can’t even envision the event for themselves? Look at them, hanging out in their mudhuts sitting around the fire. What a bunch of entitled niggers. The sheer audacity of it.

[Anonymous No.14505553]

>>14505509
Now this is bonkers. I don’t even know where to start. The Socratic method is a simple concept. In most cases its the same thing as inductive reasoning. You’re the one who believes in hell, not me. But I do think anyone who tries to intellectualize hell is probably closer to going there than anyone. Why? Because if you can accept something like that on intellectual terms and not feel devastated, then you’re a mean cruel person. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.14505608]

Bonkers

[Anonymous No.14505635]

Isn't hubris supposed to be a sin or something?
How is claiming expertise on the nature of God and everything not PEAK hubris?

[Anonymous No.14505658]

>>14504224
you literally can't follow Christ's example without belief and faith in God

[Anonymous No.14505696]

>>14505658
>belief and faith
Are those choices?

[Anonymous No.14505713]

>>14504199
Yeah that's called ad hoc faggot.

[Anonymous No.14505740]

>>14505311
>You can’t disagree with me because God agrees with me and who are you to talk back to him?

Ah, yes. This is the “mature” rhetoric we’ve been waiting for. Simply shut down any discussion by invoking the ultimate authority.

[Anonymous No.14505761]

>>14504174
Catholic Christianity and Easter Orthodox are the only acceptable denominations.

[Anonymous No.14505771]

>>14504341
>posted with an anime girl

[Anonymous No.14505810]

>>14505509
Christian """"morals"""

[Anonymous No.14505833]

>>14504618
Genuine question (in other words, I'm not trying to assert and start a stupid argument) - why does stuff like this (i.e. existential torment/living a virtuous life) need to be put strictly in terms of Hell, God, Christ, and whatnot? Are there not countless other religions that confront the same anxieties? Did these anxieties not exist before the existence of Christianity? What makes following the path of Christ the only correct way to live a moral life? Would somebody attempting to live by the same values through the influence of another religion, or none at all, be wrong, just because it's not the image of Christ?

I was born and raised a Christian, but these types of questions are what lead me to doubt and see these things as mere symbols/parables. I would love some insight on why they should be believed in such strict terms, or at least some reading suggestions about the matter

[Anonymous No.14505859]

>>14505833
Because even if you give up all your free time and money to help the poor and needy, you’re just a piece of crap sinner worthy of hellfire. You underestimate how misanthropic Christianity is.

[Anonymous No.14505928]

>>14505311
>literally says God thinks of you as dirt
>BUT HE LOVES YOU!

[Anonymous No.14505960]

>this fucking thread again
>we cant just respect each others beliefs and move on with our lives
>instead we sit here and argue over shit that even if we were here for more than 50 FUCKINGS YEARS we will never anyway in hell hear the end of
/pol/ was a fucking mistake GOD i hate you /pol/fags so goddam much, it attracted both of the WORST sides of each argument
> clueless christians that cant just stay quite and not buy into the bait
>and retarded fedoras that have to start shit everywhere they go to feel superior

/pol/ needs to be fucking deleted so that you fags can finally go back to whatever grue infested caves you spawned form

pic somewhat related

[Anonymous No.14506021]

>>14505960
Imagine how miserable it's to live as a fedora surrounded by believers, are my frustrations groundless?

[Anonymous No.14506067]

>>14504185
You think everyone who is against Christianity is against religion? You fool

[Anonymous No.14506335]

>>14505283
It depends, and more than it should. I know very little about Greek Orthodox Bibles. If you're really interested in theology and only speak English, go with the Douay Rheims. It's a relatively literal translation of the Latin Vulgate. The Vulgate is really the singular Bible, in that before the Vulgate, there were Old Latin Bibles which were often incomplete or varied slighltly. St Jerome studied the greek and the old latin to create the Vulgate, which has been used as the principal text for all Catholic theology. The gutenberg Bible was a Latin Vulgate Bible. However, as an English speaking country, we are a protestant country. Each protestant group attempted their own vernacular translation, usually several times. They tended also to favor masoretic texts over the septuagent, also preferring the rabinical canon of the old testament, rather than the canon put forward by I believe Nicea. The King James is the most popular English bible, because it is the most beautiful in its style, but is somewhat questionable in some of the translations. Unsurprisingly, there are many Catholic teachings were are almost only possible to understand with the Vulgate and the original Greek writings. Catholics would say that protestants intentionally translated the texts unfavorably, to justify their position; protestants tend to say that the Catholic church inserted words or tenses to justify their power and/or idolotry. Today, there are many translations, which can generally serve, if you are not trying to do serious exegesis. Definitely be careful with the annotations, however, because certain publishers include accidentally or intentionally subversive interpretations.

[Anonymous No.14506352]

>>14506021
>Imagine how miserable it's to live as a fedora surrounded by believers, are my frustrations groundless?

I can imagine how miserable your life must be without God. As Augustine said, we are created with a part of us missing and that part can only be filled by the presence of God.

[Anonymous No.14506358]

>>14506021
sup /r/atheism

[Anonymous No.14506365]

>>14504199
>Big brain view is to not believe in God, yet still believe in all the social/moral/individual prescriptions out of most of Christianity.
This is actually the first step toward God in 2020. The earlier you realize this, the sooner you'll find Him. But don't rush, it's not something to take lightly.

[Anonymous No.14506382]

>>14505408
It's just that atheists are emotionally stunted or committed to their depraved lifestyles, so they make stupid arguments.

[Anonymous No.14506393]

>>14506382
And what about the stupid arguments from the Christians. How do you explain those?

[Anonymous No.14506428]

>>14506393
Christians usually form thoughtful, well-informed arguments. Atheists make /r/atheism tier threads with questions that have been answered for literally centuries.

Which arguments in particular do you think are stupid?

[Anonymous No.14506452]

>>14506428
>Me side smart, you side dumb

That isn’t what I was talking about. You’re ALL retarded.

[Anonymous No.14506482]

>>14506452
Your "above it all" position was lame 10 years ago and it's lame now. Which arguments in particular have offended you?

[Anonymous No.14506507]

>>14506428
>Christians usually form thoughtful, well-informed arguments.
>I read the Bible so it's true

Yeah, not an argument my man

[Anonymous No.14506523]

>>14506507
If your trolling is only funny to you, you may as well be that retarded.

[Anonymous No.14506530]

>>14506482
Possibly the one you just posted. Who could read through this thread and think the Christians are generally being thoughtful and reasonable and the opposing side has been completely thoughtless and unreasonable. Only toddlers think in these kind of dichotomies.

[Anonymous No.14506546]

>>14506523
It's "you're"

And I'm not, I'm making a serious point

[Anonymous No.14506547]

>>14506428
If by “usually” you meant every once in a blue moon, then sure.

[Anonymous No.14506551]

>>14506530
Someone literally chimed in with their /r/atheism opinions within minutes of me posting that:
>>14506507

You sound like an arrogant teenager. Like every other atheist on the internet.

[Anonymous No.14506556]

>>14504199
You're such a retard. Thinking of yourself as a cog in a machine isn't helping

[Anonymous No.14506560]

>>14506551
You're arguing against strawmen.

>you're /r/atheism!
>you're a teenager!

yawn, big yawn

[Anonymous No.14506681]

>>14506352
I will never understand why Christians here always post these types of rebuttals, like do you really think this means anything at all to an atheist? Why would they care?

[Anonymous No.14506709]

>>14505833
Bump

[Anonymous No.14506730]

>>14506551
Now recognize all the christians itt making similarly crap arguments and you’ll become a mature individual.

[Anonymous No.14507009]

>>14504174
Yes. I do.

[Anonymous No.14507014]

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

[Anonymous No.14507024]

>>14504199
This is peak midwit though.
Trying to sound 'practical' by destroying the research of truth. No conception of intellectual shame. Undue emphasis on pseud-utilitarian lower ends. Smugly insulting large swarth of people for little reason.
I have more consideration for self-enlightened fedoraism.

[Anonymous No.14507035]

>>14504174
After work today my roommate and I put a tennis ball in my ass. Afterwards we made hot cocoa and read each other passages from the Bible. In about an hour I will need to go to the hospital to have a tennis ball removed from my ass. My roommate and I could get it out ourselves but it's more fun to get a doctor to do it after we tell him we don't know how it got there. We've done this a couple times already at different hospitals. It makes me smile to think there is someone at my health insurance company that has to review and approve everything and will notice multiple unexplained tennis ball removals from my ass, kek

[Anonymous No.14507114]

>>14507035
Based and tennis balled

[Anonymous No.14507553]

>>14504199
>Big brain view is to not believe in God, yet still believe in all the social/moral/individual prescriptions out of most of Christianity.

Than wouldn't that just be the same thing as believeing in God?

the morals and principles of Christianity all constitute that there is a higher power above man that guides and contorls all peoples towards an upper echelon that which frees man from his selfish instinct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlK6DqoiF_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjIlhu-yuTI

To act in such a way that you deny a higher being, yet your will is that will of God, than that in turn your actions are proof of a higher being, becuase you do what you do in believe that what you are doing is the greater good, and if God is by definition the greater good, than you are in tunr doing what you do in belief of God?

[Anonymous No.14507564]

>>14504341
without Christianity, than Europe would have been divided into tribal warfare for centuries until they would have been united under Islam.

If it never would have existed, than you would have never exist, as your ancestors would have died long before they met because war.

Christinaity prevented war and divison in europe.

[Anonymous No.14507565]

>>14507553
The higher being is your prefrontal cortex.

[Anonymous No.14507568]

>>14504379
as we always will, until some dystopia takes it away.

[Anonymous No.14507617]

>>14507565
man is limited in his knowledge.

even if we record all our observations, there is only so much data that can be computed and measured as like man all mahcines are limited to.

a higher being has no limitations or capacity of information, that which knows that has happened, what will happen, what can happen, and what is happening cannot be understod by humans.

Humans can only understand so much, of what is right and what is wrong, but higher being is beyond human imagination.

God is not something that cannot be understod by humans, cannot be observed by humans, and cannot be controled by humans.

If man where to see God, than it would not be God that a man is looking at.

[Anonymous No.14508113]

>Hey, you have to walk on your hands everywhere for the rest of your life or I'll plant a bullet in the back of your head.
>W-what the fuck, why?
>Is that back-talk I hear? Anyway I've decided it's good for you, and I'm the one with the gun anyway so I get to call the shots (ha ha)
>But it's not fair for you to threaten me with physical punishment if I don't surrender control of my life just because you're more powerful
>I'm disturbed by the fact that you think you deserve to try to change my mind. I've been very gracious in giving you the freedom to choose between the two alternatives, and so you'd better shape up Mr. crybaby.

Do Abrahamics really?

[Anonymous No.14508309]

>>14507564
>Christinaity prevented war and divison in europe.
the christfag lies as easily as he breathes

[Anonymous No.14508326]

No Fedora in this thread (only read up to like half way) really understands any religion. The idea of hell is even MORE misunderstood, but whatever