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[Anonymous No.14503180]

How old were you when you realized Thrasymachus was right?

[Anonymous No.14503189]

>>14503180
Does anyone remember how Socrates defined justice?

[Anonymous No.14503240]

>>14503189
No, because he spends about two chapters doing it

[Anonymous No.14503305]

>>14503189
Doing that which is one’s business. Playing one’s proper role essentially

[Anonymous No.14503450]

>>14503305
So a thief playing the proper role of stealing from someone is doing justice?

[Anonymous No.14503495]

>>14503450
>So a thief playing the proper role
Thief is the role, you've got it all wrong.

[Anonymous No.14503502]

>>14503495
So a thief stealing is justice?

[Anonymous No.14503516]

>>14503450
For Plato/Socrates there is no proper role of stealing. He explains it in a dual way: justice seen first in the city-state, then in the individual (soul). A perfect city-state has three different classes, and is just because each of these classes (ruler, warrior, laborer) acts according to their role, carries out their proper function in the city. Analogously, the perfect soul has a certain number of faculties, and in this just soul each faculty does its own proper business. That's the explanation Socrates gives

[Anonymous No.14503521]

>>14503495
Is having an identity the same as being just? In that case, what are moral actions?

[Anonymous No.14503577]

>>14503516
Who defines these classes or faculties? Why shouldn't there be a thief role in the city? Isn't this just decided by the interest of the stronger who rule the city, as Thrasymachus claims?

[Gustav Klimt No.14503993]

>>14503180
Thrasymacus was right, yeah.

I found out about this at 22.

[Anonymous No.14504109]

thieves undermine the city state, as one's role is subordinate to the welfare of the city. even a thief that only stole from other city states would be wrong, since it would cause unnecessary hatred and conflict