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Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:17:21 2020 No.14488120 [Reply] [Original]

Are there any philosophers or writers that argue against rationalism/rationality without taking a leap of faith?

I admire Dosto's and Shestov's whole "rallying of the human spirit against the bonds of reason" thing, but I think we can reject the ontological status of Reason without going to God right after that (I also don't think we need God to reject Reason). I think Camus does this, but I'm not sure. Are there any secular irrationalists in the Western Canon I don't know about? Are there any Eastern philosophies that reject rational thought and argument for, say, meditation or something?

I especially love Shestov, but I'm so sick of finding a philosopher I agree with intensely only to split off with them at the leap of faith. Can I gut the theological parts of their philosophy to make my own? Can I replace God with, say, poetry, or intuition, or phenomenology? Is there anyone whose already done this?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:18:00 2020 No.14488125 >>14488120 Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:20:09 2020 No.14488132 You're describing >>14488125

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:24:25 2020 No.14488153 >>14488120 >Can I gut the theological parts of their philosophy to make my own? Can I replace God with, say, poetry, or intuition, or phenomenology? Still a leap of faith

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:25:47 2020 No.14488157 Rationalism can explain the shallow hows, and not the deep whys

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:27:23 2020 No.14488162 >>14488153 He's clearly talking metaphysics not epistemology, retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:27:55 2020 No.14488166 >>14488120 William James

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:33:14 2020 No.14488193 >>14488162 Can't have one without the other

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Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:34:34 2020 No.14488201

>>14488153

OP here. I'd think it's the opposite. Even reason requires a leap of faith, but phenomenology is more direct than anything really. In fact, if we're being honest, our phenomenology precedes logic.

And even if you're right, it just means we need to take a leap of faith to do any philosophy at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:35:41 2020 No.14488204 >>14488166 Also religious

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:42:58 2020 No.14488230 >>14488193 The term "leap of faith" has different meanings depending on the context you're using it in. Saying "DURRR HURRR IM FUCKING RETARDED DURRR THEY'RE ALL THE SAME THING DURRRR" is fucking retarded and you should stop making stupid posts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:49:52 2020 No.14488256 >>14488230 I feed on your autistic rage

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:51:59 2020 No.14488269 File: 3 KB, 698x1284, 1509823607507.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14488256

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:54:32 2020 No.14488278 >>14488120 Strauss is influential

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:55:35 2020 No.14488282 >>14488120 Dugin

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:09:27 2020 No.14488326 >>14488282 Would also appreciate these guys not being fascists

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:11:25 2020 No.14488329 >>14488326 Then find them yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:12:15 2020 No.14488333 >>14488326 Dugin is explicitly not fascist

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:12:35 2020 No.14488334 >>14488120 Max Weber and Isaiah Berlin come to mind

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:13:11 2020 No.14488337 >>14488329 How is "not fascist" too snooty a criteria for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:13:37 2020 No.14488339 >>14488333 Id even argue that his antifascism is more substantial in character than that of most leftists

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:14:40 2020 No.14488343 >>14488339 My diary desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:16:05 2020 No.14488349 >>14488326 >I want the thinker's personal preferences to match my own regardless of what they being to the table Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:16:34 2020 No.14488354 >>14488339 Yeah, his whole schtick is trying to create a 4th political worldview, aka not fascism. >>14488337 Because you're accusing someone who's not a fascist of being fascist so your standards for what is and is not fascist are probably fucked

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:27:45 2020 No.14488399 >fascism is too scary for me here you go, since you don't appreciate the gravity of your proposal https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/why-rationalism-is-irrational/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:30:48 2020 No.14488405 File: 14 KB, 250x253, 250px-Rene-guenon-1925.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14488120 Rationalism is what naturally follows from the ignorance of an absolute being.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 23:19:28 2020 No.14488601 >>14488326 cringe

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Anonymous Mon Jan 6 23:33:05 2020 No.14488666

>>14488399
That's a pretty stupid article.
She doesn't seem to understand rationalism.

Saying prisons are rational is wrong. Maybe they can be seen as reasonable in many situations but not rational in itself.

Rationalism is not a guiding ideology like Marxism but rather a way of approximating truth and should be beneficial for almost any goal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:30:25 2020 No.14488879 >>14488666 Quit being such a fascist >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:33:43 2020 No.14488890 Husserl's Crisis of the European Sciences by extension Derrida's Rogues

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:36:11 2020 No.14488903 >>14488326 Based

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:40:27 2020 No.14488916 >>14488879 Explain in what way my comment radiated fascism and why it matters if it is so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:43:32 2020 No.14488928 >>14488916 Only /pol/yp fascists are autistic enough to sperg out against a feminist article like you are. Your incel rage about "muh women can't be rational" is leddit as fuck, get back to your containment board >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:44:55 2020 No.14488936 >>14488405 black semen drinker

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:45:58 2020 No.14488943 >>14488879 >>14488928 confirmed bait thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:47:12 2020 No.14488950 >OP asks a legitimate question >/pol/ tries to push there "MUH JUUUUUUUUIIIIIICE" incel bullshit >get called out >"CONFIRMED BAIT THREAD"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:49:17 2020 No.14488960 >>14488916 I think they're joking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:49:40 2020 No.14488962 >>14488950 >ctrl+f "jew" >0/0 bait thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:52:18 2020 No.14488979 >>14488120 Read Deleuze, Whitehead, and William James

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:52:19 2020 No.14488980 Why are you so eager to run from God? What kind of degenerate are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 00:52:38 2020 No.14488982 >>14488962 >ctrl+f "fasci" >1/12 We all see what you're doing /pol/yp

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:27:47 2020 No.14489091 >>14488962 >ctrl+f "jew" >Derrida

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:28:48 2020 No.14489093 >>14488326 put me in the screenshot please

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:32:03 2020 No.14489108 >>14488326 Hamster wheel brain

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:32:10 2020 No.14489109 File: 76 KB, 669x1206, Max Weber.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14488334 was going to rec weber as well, but he doesn't really give an alternative.