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All art is the manifestation of consciousness.
The best art, is that which most closely captures what it is in the mind.

So when it comes to the subject on what is fine, what is beauty.
It is simply personal, that is all.
The more souls your art speaks to, the more beautiful it is.
It's why certain stories and epics have lived so long, because they are universal.

fuck post-modernism btw

>> No.14468205

>>14468144
>All art is the manifestation of consciousness

Everything is a manifestation of consciousness if you want to be pedantic.

>The best art, is that which most closely captures what it is in the mind.

Everything "captures" what is in the mind. Maybe you mean "conveys what is in one mind to another mind" or something of the like

>So when it comes to the subject on what is fine, what is beauty. It is simply personal, that is all.

I agree that it is personal. You havent proved that here though. That art must be beautiful does not follow from it having to "reflect consciousness" whatever that means.

>The more souls your art speaks to, the more beautiful it is.

This does not follow either

>It's why certain stories and epics have lived so long, because they are universal.

How long a story lasts in a culture depends on a lot more than whether it is beautiful or now. Beauty isnt what I would ascribe to most stories even. Germanic fables are very old, but they are grotesque. They clearly have pedagogical use, but I don't think they have much aesthetic value for most of its readers/listeners, for most of history.

>fuck post-modernism btw

Why? This isnt relevant to what you said. Read deleuze or Baudrillard

>> No.14468422

>>14468205
>Everything is a manifestation of consciousness if you want to be pedantic
Yes everything that is created.
>Everything "captures" what is in the mind.
Not true, it's why anyone can imagine anything in their head but not be able to bring it into it's physical form whether it be on a canvas or in a book.
>Maybe you mean "conveys what is in one mind to another mind" or something of the like
That is what a capture is.
When you take a photograph you are capturing the light, the photons. It is a perfect capture, and it can be "conveyed" to anyone.
>That art must be beautiful does not follow from it having to "reflect consciousness" whatever that means.
I did not say art has to be beautiful anywhere.
>This does not follow either
The more people that think you art is "beautiful", the more beautiful it is.
If I were to show what you produce on a canvas to a miner or some aristocrat but they both "get" it. Then it is beautiful.
>How long a story lasts in a culture depends on a lot more than whether it is beautiful or not
I probably jumbled up my words in the original post.
Art in which the essence can be understood universally, is beautiful.
>Why? This isnt relevant to what you said
They're connected but I'm not going to get into it right now.

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14468554

>>14468144
pablo picasso was a fatass
he probably shimmied his cheeks to and fro

>> No.14468589

>>14468422
>a photo is a perfect capture
Lmao
>The more people that think you art is "beautiful", the more beautiful it is.
ahhh, a filthy democrat, guess Harry Potter is better than Guernica, Little Red Riding Hood better than Góngora

>> No.14468634

>>14468589
>lmao
What is it
>ahhh, a filthy democrat, guess Harry Potter is better than Guernica, Little Red Riding Hood better than Góngora
What are you comparing between these?

>> No.14468646

>>14468422
>beauty is legitimised by the greater mass of people appreciating it
you serious?

>> No.14468663

>>14468646
>you serious?
Yeah.

>> No.14468665

>>14468663
please elaborate

>> No.14468685

>>14468554
picasso's art sucked

>> No.14468713

>>14468634
>What is it
not a capture but a deformation
>What are you comparing between these?
the number of people who'd say they think they're beautiful

>> No.14468719

>>14468144
>The best art, is that which most closely captures what it is in the mind.
I think the best art is the one that excites what is in the mind. The one that wakes up something you didn't know you could feel. Like reading a great poem. The mind is chaos waiting to be ordered so merely capturing what's in it won't do it. Art is what orders the chaos in our mind and puts it in display.

>> No.14468724

>>14468685
Not really.

>> No.14468771

>>14468665
I can promise you that anything that is a product of today's mass "culture" won't be talked about in a century.
The amount of people they "touched" is infinitesimal compared to past stories that were told.
You have to not look at just the present masses, but the future ones as well.

The Illiad was universal and understood by all then and it still is now.
>>14468713
>not a capture but a deformation
Why
>the number of people who'd say they think they're beautiful
It's a multigenerational thing. Don't just think in the "now".

>> No.14468873

>>14468771
>Why
You need a very low IQ not to be able to tell apart a photo from the object, and the ways in which the act of taking a photo deforms the object.
>It's a multigenerational thing. Don't just think in the "now".
I'm not, though. That's why I took a simplistic old fable as an example in the second case, and two works which are less than a century apart from each other in the first.

>> No.14468966

>>14468873
>You need a very low IQ not to be able to tell apart a photo from the object.
Who said the photo is the object. The photo is the capture of the object, of the photons, the damned light particles being reflected from the object.
>and the ways in which the act of taking a photo deforms the object.
Please tell me how a photograph deforms the physical existing object
>That's why I took a simplistic old fable as an example
And it it can be understood by all today and still will hundreds of years in the future. It will outlast "Harry Potter".

>> No.14469377 [DELETED] 

Bump

>> No.14470001

Not sure if op is 50 iq or 500 iq

>> No.14470011

>>14470001
Statistically the former.

>> No.14470020

>>14470011
We are all 500 iq anon.

>> No.14470381

>>14468422
In other words, you cant english

>> No.14470592

>>14470381
Um, not an argument LIBERAL

>> No.14470925

>>14470592
Which kind?

>> No.14471833

Literally No; this is only true of modern art, which has been ruined by the plague of vapid subjectivism; the illiad isnt a classic because Homer's "Soul" happened to speak to many people; your own take is inherently steeped in postmodern presuppositions

>> No.14473045

>>14468771
100s of millions (if not billions) of people have seen a Star Wars or Marvel movie.
How many people do you know that have ever read the Iliad?
Everyone knows Bart Simpson and Rick and Morty, and they will likely be referenced for 100s of years. Who knows about the paintings of Rosetti beyond a few interested parties?
By your logic these films and characters are the most beautiful, touching things in human history because they have been enjoyed by the most people (lol, why do you value the tastes of the majority? This shows you are a gross Homo Sapien Hueman with barely any Neanderthalis genes)

>> No.14473082

>>14473045
You had to ruin it with that lunatic closing sentence didn't you

>> No.14473810

>>14468724
yes really

>> No.14474589

>>14468422
>everything that is created
lmao this nerd doesn't realize the universe is a result of a cosmic consciousness
....or does he

>> No.14475810

art in terms of relevance to the common man is always stacked in reverse order of appeal to the accessibility of the idea behind it. Star Wars and other pop favourites are inevitability inspired by higher order of thinking, thinking that is less accessible to general public.