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What philosophy best explains the hipster mindset that obscure=better?

>> No.14436890
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>>14436870
Pseud

>> No.14436900

>>14436890
She's my waifu

>> No.14436945

To add onto op, is it the desire to belong in exclusive company?

>> No.14437005

>>14436870
popularity brings dilution and literally 100% of the time makes whatever thing/idea etc. you're talking about so much worse, so it's not hard to deduct that, typically, obscure = better

>> No.14437082

>>14437005
But at the same time, more interest in a topic brings forth new interpretations which can lend to the power of a work.

>> No.14437091

>>14437005
what about something that's already been published? for example, book X was published in 1890 and has a very small following. You read it and consider it an incredible work. It suddenly becomes extremely popular. Has its value diminished because of this? Why, then, would it be discarded by hipsters?

>> No.14437093

>>14436870
In the long distant past of about fifty years ago, to be an elite you had to belong to a certain group of people and these people went to specific places, owned particular objects, performed exclusive actions, thought in their own way. Classically there were three elite powers in society. Government, Church and Banks; and eventually Academics too, today.

With the mass proliferation of consumption, credit and disposable income, elite possessions, knowledge and actions became deterritorialized. Things that were once signs of belonging to a particular group are now easily accessible to anyone willing to save up (or more likely borrow) enough to have them.

The hipster or more precisely the counter-cultural mindset has the notion(whether real or imagined) of "being/knowing better". Contemporary culture defines people by the things they own and do. The problem is that everything that one could ever want is easily accessible and mass produced. The opposite of exclusive. To resolve this crisis, the hipster shifts to the metaphysical plane. Everyone COULD buy this vinyl but nobody will because they don't have taste. Thus making his taste something exclusive.

Its just mass market elitism.

>> No.14437123

>>14437091
fair point. I would say no, it wouldn't have diminished value, but any discourse surrounding it would certainly devolve. most people are fucking stupid and think the most surface level observations are worth mentioning, when anyone with any semblance of intellect would have noticed the same thing and not felt the need to share it because it's not a breakthrough of any sort. I will say that I believe the post before yours is also true, though; I just think as things get more popular, the number of oblivious idiots rises much faster than the number of people that have something worth saying. perhaps it's a worthwhile tradeoff, though.

>> No.14437235

Anything sufficiently popular attracts grifters. The best work results from one man's autistic work, or a team of people working together under an absolute leader. Fuck grifters.