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14431575 No.14431575 [Reply] [Original]

Why are most editors, publishers, publishing agents, cover artists and writers women?

Is it because most readers are 14 years old girls, soccer moms and boomer white ladies?

>> No.14431587

>>14431575
Yes. Literature is for women, men should pursue cinema.

>> No.14431591

>>14431575
because you can pay them less for the same work

>> No.14431594

>>14431587
prose is for women, poetry is for men

>> No.14431618

Because fiction is largely talentless offal. Women therefore fit it perfectly.

>> No.14431630

brainlets obviously

>> No.14431633

Because white men dominate the suicide market lol

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>>14431575
God, Kat has to be the hottest woman alive.

I wish she were a lesbian. Just the thought of that 11/10 adorable nerd alongside some Chad makes my blood boil.

>> No.14431662

>>14431575
Most people who have chosen, out of their own accord to study literature related subjects are women. For the "business" part the reason why there's so many of them there is exactly this - HR looks for people with "right" degree first. As for authors it's a result of a very retarded cope, pushed by some very dumb people - that is that writing is somehow below male's dignity to write(nevermind millenias of male writers before them! it's gay!). And so you have an entire 2 generations of men, from about 1970 onwards that went to fight in wars, do all sorts of crazy stuff, worked all sorts of jobs, seen and met many sorts of people and instead of trying to pour these experiences onto paper they go all "well it iz for dem dumb city dwelling mouthbreathers" while every single stuck up cunt believes she's the best writer in the world because she took literature course and she has all so deep opinions regurgitated from some retarded rags targeted towards them/what their lecturer told them.
What happens there is the most banal shit boring thing ever - if you don't write, you don't get published. Add to that the fact that there's a lot of big publishers who are going to, against the best reasons promote female writers even if they're of lower quality because the political left knows everything is politics(and that's why they dominate culture), and you have the current reality.
>>14431594
I'd predict that even as far as poetry goes there's a lot of women releasing their stuff in comparison to men.

>> No.14431669

>>14431591
If this was actually true women would dominate every industry and nobody would be agitating for affirmative action.

>> No.14431693

>>14431575
Because women can't do any real work.

>> No.14431716

>>14431669
it's because white male CEOs hate women more than they love profit

>> No.14431757

there is a long history of women enjoying reading.

reading is safe, you can pause and put the book down at any moment, you are a type of tyrannical disinterested god standing above the page. it's a power trip, and women typically feel powerless, largely due to their upbringing never encouraging any type of self-improvement. it's the princess syndrome, but young girls today grow up in a more unisexual environment.


of course in europe men and women read equally, same is true for china and most of the rest of the world, latin america has a huge literary presence due to portuguese and spanish authors at the turn of the 19th century.

but americans never read, there was an attempt made to encourage boys to read, in the 1800s, 1850s, 1900s, 1950s and from that you got the adventure novel, the war novel, the fantasy and science fiction genres, but again those faded as soon as adventure in the real world died, wars were exposed as brutal follies, fantasy got killed by anthropology and history and science stopped getting giga-funding and the manned space program died.


the type of post-modern cyberpunk fiction that typifies the 80s was the death rattle of the genre which had become so expansive that multiple 'epics' had been written essential perfecting and future proofing themselves with dune and the foundation series being the most apparent to american audiences.

in the early 90s a brief revival of soviet sci fi emerged as translators and publishers realised a 'holy shit' moment of untaped gold in people like stanislaw lem and the strugatsky brothers which wrote superior fiction with embedded philosophy and subtle subversive ideology.

but by the mid 90s airport fiction, eg. page turners had become the norm, and the rise of young adult fiction basically age-locked genre fiction to bored business and sales men and teenage girls. that's where we have been for a solid 20 years now and it's rather hard to sift through the dozens of uninspired multi-novel series and worlds, each one ready made for a video game or movie or tv show adaptation.

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>> No.14431771

>>14431757
based post.

Do you think men moved to videogames from literature?

>> No.14431779

>>14431757
to finish, i would posit that men read to believe in something and women read to ease boredom or as an escape. you would need a pivotal shift in world affairs to encourage young men to participate in reading of any kind, probably a technological fascism emerging as a solution to the boring safe slide down into chinese style communism for the whole planet.

participatory reading. but my guess it will end just like the other 4 genre experiments i mentioned before, promising more than it can deliver and causing disillusionment and many blockbuster virtuals for the xeno generation born 30-40 years from now.

>> No.14431781

>>14431716
I take it this is bait but there are unironically people in this world who believe this. You will absolutely never see these retards consider the idea of forming a company exclusively of these poor maligned underpaid women. They all know somewhere deep in their faggot minds that women couldnt run their own company

>> No.14431814

>>14431771
yeah that's probably true, organised sports also became huge worldwide largely as type of friendly war - america fights itself, but everywhere else round ball and tennis are exciting and always driven by national or regional rivalries.

if you press me i'm loathe to think of a time men ever read. 1900s it's sports gambling, the stock market, sailing, the birth of camping and outdoorsmen, revival of hunting. 1800s is filled with mysticism and parlour tricks and the hobby inventors, 1700s it's the political and philosopher era with young men interested in reshaping the world based on new ideals, 1600s it's the settling of new continents and the lure of the ocean, 1500s is the mystery of asia and the far east, the first real orientalism and expansion out on to the steppes (this continues until the bolshevik revolution), 1400s is the formation of france and french identity and the whole romanticism of this era is about differentiating yourself from just catholic... 1300s my history is sketchy maybe the mongols, 1200s-1100s the crusades are people even literate?


the further back i go the less i see when this great period of men reading ever existed. id wager the average man reads more today that at any other point in history, especially for leisure which would've been a rather rare thing due to the historic cost and limited access to books.

>> No.14431871

>>14431781
oh im sorry, was supposed to be ironic shitposting rather than bait, but i'm new to this site, so im not yet quite sure what bait is, i assume it's reply farming which wasnt my intend
im with you on the conscious unconscious part

>> No.14431912

>>14431871
Lurk five more years faggot.

>> No.14431917

>>14431912
you fell for my cheapest trick
as i baited you again, dear friend

>> No.14431918

>>14431871
Positively immunodeficient post

>> No.14431925

>>14431575
Because even the men who read are socially female, so women know better how to appeal to women. I know I wasn't crazy about reading until I discovered older authors.

>> No.14431935

Because these industries use mostly educated labor and women are naturally better suited for success in the educational system.

>> No.14431937

>>14431575
Because the future is FEMALE CANT HANDLE THAT THEN YOUR ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY WHY DONT YOU MAKE ME A SANDWICH INCEL MAD BECAUSE YOU NEED TO COMPETE WITH THE SUPERIOR SEX LOL FUCK WHITE PEOPLE FUCK DONALD TRUMP REFUGEES WELCOME BELIEVE ALL WOMEN LOL WHO HURT YOU??

>> No.14431956

>>14431575
They dominate 70-80% of all markets in general. They're nesters by nature and like to buy things to place them in their nest like birds foraging for sticks and other things.

>> No.14431965

>>14431956
>They dominate 70-80% of all markets in genera
How is this even possible when they earn so much less money than men

>> No.14431982

women are stupid and i dont respect them

thats right i just have sex with them

>> No.14431990

>>14431982
You need to read some critical theory white boy - might help you understand why the world doesn’t need you anymore

>> No.14431994

>>14431965
Men are fags these days and let their girlfriends / wives run off with their bank info and lead them around at shopping malls all the fucking time.

>> No.14432029

>>14431965
Weekly shoes and pedicures are expensive

>> No.14432105

>>14431990
>doesn't get the reference.

I hate zoomers.

>> No.14432124

>>14431757
Nice spacing, faggot

>> No.14432276

>>14431575
I'd let Kat dominate me.

>> No.14432294

>>14432105
Well luckily you’ll be dead soon and your oppressive and sexist ways will die with you

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>>14432294
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCxJ1kPQQo

Don't worry, lady. There is absolutely no chance someone here will want to take your virginity.

>> No.14432318

>>14431591
lmao

>> No.14432353

>>14431640
faggot

go to a Catholic church and stop worrying about imaginary huemans/ hyperreal ironic tragedy

>> No.14432367

>>14432353
>faggot
>go to a Catholic church
checks out

>> No.14432380

>>14431575
Does she do customs? Any taboos?

>> No.14432455

this thread
>hurr it's women's fault that men don't read!
>books suck anyway!
>sour grapes!
put down your video games, put down your phone, and pick up a fucking book.

>> No.14432480

>>14432455
It is women's fault that men don't read, though.

The day publishers decide to publish anything besides lowest common denominator YA and cooking books, men might pick books to read again.

>> No.14432492

>>14432380
Kat is my wife and I won't accept you asking inappropriate things about her.

>> No.14432495

>>14432480
Self-publish. Or is Jeff Bezos (male) going to discriminate against men who post to kdp?

You're a whining little fagboy blaming your mommy complex for your failure of a life.

>> No.14432497

>>14432495
are you a girl

>> No.14432518
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14432518

Because women are the main target of the consumer market. Everything is catered to women. ((('Books'))) that women read are easy-to-digest garbage novels that is on par with shitty roleplaying on the internet. Easy to write, easy to read.

>> No.14432542

>>14432492
What those feet do?

>> No.14432548

>>14432497
your mom is a girl

>> No.14432588

supply and demand

>> No.14432727

Most of the publishing world is effectively domestic work. That is, it's not work that can provide a primary income. Most literary agents and editors have an alternate means of support. And they all got there by taking full time unpaid internships in New York, which is only possible if you have a family or partner supporting you.

Because so many of these jobs don't pay enough to support the people doing them, only those whose income is secondary can take the jobs.

The patriarchy dictates that men not follow this course.

>> No.14432810

>>14431575
All they know are lies.

>> No.14432928

>>14432518
Haha imagine if Lana and Lia were your lesbian friends who tied you up and teased your cock

>> No.14433177

>>14431591
kek

>> No.14433405

>>14431591
lel

>> No.14433806

I want to eat Kat's pussy while she reads me her YA novels.

>> No.14433878

Historically writing was a way women could compete on even ground with men. Simply by using a pseudonym the reader has no idea it was written by a woman.

Nowdays, publishing industry has a huge hard-on for minority or social justice driven stories. A semi competent writer that can't normally get published writing regular stories can write a sappy story about being a black woman, a native american, a 1940's Jew, or struggling to be a single mom, and get published. And it's even easier if a woman writer is attached to it.

>> No.14433909

>>14431917

Kek, excellent turn around young postawan.

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>>14431937

>> No.14434028

>>14431937
You must be 18 to post here

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>> No.14434082

>>14431982
show me your genitals

>> No.14434089

>>14431575
Because they're cute

>> No.14434124

>>14434073
fucking based

>> No.14434481

>>14433878
People can still tell the author is female by the vapid content.

>> No.14434484

>>14434073
This was sweet and wholesome on her part.

I'm buying that book just because I appreciated her attitude.

And because she has wonderful feet.

>> No.14434752

>>14431814
>if you press me i'm loathe to think of a time men ever read.

I'm sorry, what? You're other post is good, but that's such an egregious statement to make. For the past 3000 odd years, it is women that have been reading, not men? Was it the women who attended the plays and oratory of the Greeks and Romans, was it women reading the theologians and religious thinkers of the church, was it the women being amazed at the works of Chaucer, Dante, Shakespeare, was it the women who lead the push for liberalism during the enlightenment? Was it women reading the adventure books of the Victorian era and all the different genres that have emerged in the past 200 years? I'm sorry, but the statement that women have tended to read more than men historically is such a load of bullshit. Don't pretend to be knowledgeable if you come out with that vein of autism.

>> No.14434766

I was gonna dispute this but I just realised that out of me and my boyfriend, only I read books.

oh well, i guess literature is now a feminine thing to do

>> No.14434806

>>14431814
The 1700s dude. You literally just said it.

>> No.14434844

What a cute girl

>> No.14434902

>>14431768
Who does that mouth belong to?

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14434913

>>14434902
My wife.

>> No.14434926

>>14434913
Women seem so happy reading horrible pleb shit.

>> No.14434930

>>14434913
any feet or lewds? pls

>> No.14434940

>>14431982
>>14434082
GE NI TA LIIIAAAAA

>> No.14434958

>>14434766
nice dude

>> No.14434970

>>14434926
They have small brains Anon, you can't blame them.

>> No.14435001

>>14434926
it's either shit-tier fiction or pop feminism

>> No.14435031

>>14434926
frustrating because women actually write some decent non-fiction (Tuchman, Hughes-Hallett, Nin's diaries)

>> No.14435037

Does anyone know if movies and TV are also mostly watched by women?

>> No.14435045

>>14434926
Women consume books the way weebs consume anime.

>> No.14435102

>>14434926
she actually dislikes stephen king. kat is based and needs her ass eaten while she reads.

>> No.14435411

>>14434958
Sorry anon but you’re a girl now

>> No.14435428

>>14431575
Because they cannot create, yet crave control. They will gatekeep others from entering an industry that they will control out of pettiness and spite, as is the way of woman.

>> No.14435449

>>14435411
ok well im gonna fuck your boyfriend then

>> No.14435456

>>14435428
you do know that anyone can self-publish to Amazon?

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14435507

>>14431575
similar vibe

>> No.14435547

>>14431575
Who's the girl?

>> No.14435597

>>14434073
I remember how awful the writing in that was.

>> No.14435619

>>14435597
Don't matter with those feet tho, bruh

>> No.14435644

>>14431575
Because literary success was controlled by an elite group of magazine critics for most of the 20th century who promoted only values that they aligned with. This is partially why the generic American writer shifted from southern gentlemen to city dwelling Jewish men. This has led to a culture of most men being turned off by modern literature unless they also subscribe to these city ideals (even if they're aware that other books exist).
Most men, intelligent or not, won't do things simply for passion and they don't get the same social value from signalling about how much they write like women do. Men want success and they see the type of books that are successful (again based off of the foundational taste of these elite 20th century critics) and decide that writing fictional books is for faggots.

It's really a sad state of affairs and I wonder if other non-english speaking Nations are afflicted similarly with this mind virus.

>> No.14435767

>>14431640
She like 6/10 at BEST.

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>>14431575
Realistically it's because women are the passive sex who want to be taken by the hand and lead. It's very easy to insert into low effort genre fiction which doesn't require anything from the reader. For complex literature you have to try and work your way into the mind and thought processes of the author, meet him on equal ground, almost like you're having a deep unseen conversation with him. For something as complex as philosophy it is often necessary to read supplementary texts to fully wrap your head around the concepts. This is a highly active and masculine process which requires a lot more input on the reader's part.

>> No.14435820

>>14431575
Finna collar that non-binary and put a chin mop on her, take her cleaning skill for a test drive

>> No.14435826

>>14435767
That's way too generous.

>> No.14436149

>Is it because most readers are 14 years old girls, soccer moms and boomer white ladies?
Yes, but also they actually buy their books, whereas brooding white males know how piracy works.

>> No.14436207

>>14434752
yes women and a small minority of gay men doing all the heavy mental lifting. we have a bias towards history because we see only what survived, but it is not a fair slice of society.

children obviously also read, but boys grow out of it when they notice tits.

>> No.14436220

>>14431575

Because it's profitable trend.

>> No.14436241

>>14431575
women are the bigger escapists

>> No.14436252

>>14436241
>women are the bigger escapists
lel

>> No.14436978

>>14431925
>socially female,
i know this is some stupid right wing excuse by someone who is extremely virgin but roleplays not to be but... you just admited gender is a social construct.

god right wingers are retarded

>> No.14436984

>>14432518
>Easy to write, easy to read.
writing, even shitty stuff, is hard. you try doing it fucker

>> No.14436994

>>14434073
sounds like shit aimed at 12 year olds, but so is most sci fi, particularly the works of robert heinlein.

People pretending sci fi is deep are just arbitrarily picking one turd out of many and claiming its tasty, yeah no thanks.

>> No.14436997

>>14434913
looks cute as fuck, im legit jealous you get blowjobs from that cutie.

>> No.14436998

>>14431575
Women are finally being recognized as the intellectually and culturally superior gender.

>> No.14437017

>>14436978
based schizo

>> No.14437049

>>14437017
ok boomer

>> No.14437145

>>14431575
I want to pinch her happy cheeks

>> No.14437161

>>14437145
Do you want her to be happy about it?

>> No.14437171

>>14437161
Yes

>> No.14437251

>>14431575
I want to kiss her and cuddle her and smell her and touch her in places she doesn't want to be touched

>> No.14437300

I want to touch her teeth

>> No.14437335

>>14437171
So you want her to be happy that you are pinching her cheeks? That is something.

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>>14437335

>> No.14437436

>>14431768
Hello, Mr. Kira. Are you responsible for the deaths and disappearances of 48 women in Morioh, Japan between 1979 and 1999?

>> No.14437459

>>14431757
That’s why my books has a built in mechanical arm that stabs you if you do not read until the end of the chapter

>> No.14437500

>>14431575
I want to dig my thumbs into her soles

>> No.14437589

>>14437251
so you want to rape her? its a good thing youll never get laid

>> No.14437609

>>14437589
Reading comprehension = zero
I don't think she wants her nostrils or legpits to be touched but if you touch her there it's not rape

>> No.14437613

>>14431591
spbp

>> No.14437636

>>14437609
touching her in places she doesnt want to be touched= rape

its ok tough, i know its all fantasy to you, the danger is that kids who will actually interact with women could read you

>> No.14437660

>>14434913
your wife is a fucking slut anon

>> No.14437666

>>14431591
put me in the screencap

>> No.14437687

>>14435102
She doesn’t dislike him. She’s reading one of his books per month in 2020.

>> No.14437690

>>14431575
They dont

>> No.14437691

>>14431594
based

>> No.14437740

>>14437636
Would you mind posting your feet, whore?

>> No.14437777

>>14437636
definition of rape:
>unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.
>but m-muh skin pores!

>> No.14437814

>>14437777
The Se7ens don't lie

>> No.14437820

>>14437740
in your dreams loser, im waaaaaaaay out of your league

>> No.14437824

>>14437777
rape is unwanted sexual acts of any kind, sure there might be difference between real life and the dictionary

but you call yourself a man and you wouldnt pass even the simplest criteria for it

>> No.14437836

>>14437636
Hope she reads this, bro

>> No.14437839

>>14437824
you clearly want to be raped

>> No.14437843

>>14437824
You sure know a suspicious lot about rape, friend...

>> No.14437858

>>14434913
>>14434073

Nail polish is fucking disgusting. Why must it exist?

>> No.14437866

>>14437843
yes because i was raped you piece of shit, i hope you get raped in the anus, you guys dont know what its like
>>14437836
who the fuck is "she" in your incel fantasies?
>>14437839
thats what men always think, try it and lose your cock, i only go for real men.

>> No.14437878

>>14437866
lol. You get used like the whore you are

>> No.14437891

>>14437824
>but you call yourself a man
Speak for yourself. I identify as camel (beast of burden).

>> No.14437892

>>14437858
it helps whores disguise their filthy hands and feet

>> No.14437897

>>14437866
>i hope you get raped in the anus, you guys dont know what its like
Yes, I don't know what it's like to be desired and touched

>> No.14437919

>>14437866
>larping as a thot
why would someone do that

>> No.14437926

>>14437897
>Yes, I don't know what it's like to be desired and touched
wait, are you like, trying to get my sympathy? here's a tip, dont insult a lady if you want advice. Im sorry for your life but its not my fault and if you disrespect women you kinda deserve it.

>>14437919
how would you know how a woman acts?

>> No.14437935

>>14431587
This unironically. Cinema requires far more leadership ability and logistical planning. It is far more technical in every way and is a more advanced medium with a higher price floor and skill floor.

>> No.14437941

>>14437436

Apparently his obsession was very morbid, not at all what I have in mind:

>>>/lit/thread/14390705

>Yes, good hands are a paragon of balance and grace, pointy distal phalanges belonging to the kind of extremism prominent in feet: the gross disparity between first and last toe, between metatarsals and pahalanges, between one end and the other, etc. Just one of the many aspects that make hands superior.

>The way fingers can thoughtlessly go through so many positions, revealing and covering each other, in just one moment, despite one intimately possessing them with exquisite dexterity; it's very Spiritually erotic.

>Truly, after the face, the hands are that by which you can immanently see and feel yourself not just as having a body but as being your body proper, the good-bad head-feet or head-genitals linearity is dispelled and a good-good reflective Self-experience takes place between face and hands, the Absolute conquers the particular by being the particular before it triumphantly discards it.

>Note how the hand is unlike anything else, other things are like the hand. This is not like a blade or like a feather, but particular blades and feathers are like it.

>Grass following the sun? Wave crests? A candle's flame under someone's breath? The awesome simplicity of God can be seen in broad daylight.

>Consider how free one finger is from the other and the ineffable space between them. The expanse of the ocean, falling asleep, Yin itself; only the sky and the ground are further apart.

>> No.14437982

>>14437926
>woman
Cringe

>> No.14438031

If you paid even the slightest attention then you would know that Kat is asexual

>> No.14438037

>>14437926
I am sorry for the insults you're receiving m'lady. Men around these here parts aren't too kind.
Please accept my apologies on behalf of /lit/.
If you could perhaps post a picture of your asshole it would be much appreciated.
Thank you.

>> No.14438066

>>14438031
Source

>> No.14438102

>>14438037
fuck you creep

>>14437982
im sorry women weird you out, we're 50% of your species, deal with it.

>> No.14438113

>>14437941
based

>> No.14438226

>>14431814
absolutely nothing of this precludes reading you weirdo, and some (like the 1700s) supports it
>1500s is the mystery of asia and the far east
I'm sure it was actually the schism of the church, which produced huge amounts of polemical literature further exacerbated by the printing press
>expansion out on to the steppes
what on the earth?
the "men don't read" shit is just a modern meme created to flatter the illiterate masses so that more products might be sold to them

>> No.14438505

>>14431575
Who care about the fictional market?

>> No.14438511

>>14431591
SPBP

>> No.14439380

ugly bitch

>> No.14439408

>>14435449
no that's not allowed
he plans on marrying me
no breaking up our loving monogamous relationship anon

>> No.14439475

>>14431965
They spend money from the men around them.
Womyn are 85% of consumer spending, and buying food groceries for families doesn't even come close to account for that difference. Meanwhile they produce considerably less over life.

>> No.14439500

>>14431591
>>14431662
>>14432727
>>14433878
This

I had some theories, but these anons are right; I stand corrected

>> No.14439995

>>14431591
Woman don't remotely work as hard as man do in any field or line of work.

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>>14437017
>>14436978
Schizo is right twice a day

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>>14437839
Based

>> No.14441620

>>14432455
kinda true though female teachers don't encourage boys to read

>> No.14441635

>>14441620
Really? When I was at school 20 years ago they did

>> No.14441922

>>14431575
Working is optional if you have a wet hole between your legs.

>> No.14441939

>>14431768
great i just spent 12 feverish hours watching all of her videos and im covered in dried cum and sweat. thanks a lot asshole i missed 10 calls from work.