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Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:40:22 2019 No.14409558 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:41:48 2019 No.14409564 File: 7 KB, 248x203, 1485169428178.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409558 Why not 2ndperson?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:43:07 2019 No.14409571 File: 92 KB, 668x1063, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409564 Came here to say 2nd person should be on the bottom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:09:03 2019 No.14409694 >>14409571 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:01 2019 No.14409706 1st person heavily flawed characters is always god tier. It's also the hardest literature to pull off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:01 2019 No.14409707 File: 229 KB, 859x960, qFtnEPp2pvk37bnISQRXeHd1HOJ4E3c_voZzm3A7NMc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Limited third person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:16:35 2019 No.14409736 File: 36 KB, 640x535, Oh God Oh Fuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >omniscient third person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:27:46 2019 No.14409797 File: 111 KB, 1280x720, 1562768730833.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >zeroeth person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:45:27 2019 No.14409887 >>14409694 Why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:46:46 2019 No.14409895 File: 1.84 MB, 300x262, 1516923494025.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >unrelated 4th person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:48:39 2019 No.14409910 File: 619 KB, 512x500, 1576886478735.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409558 >second person unreliable narrator arguing with omniscient third person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:33:29 2019 No.14410403 >>14409571 So second person can only work in self-insert stories in which the omnipotent narrator has a stylistic voice, right?

>>	OP Tue Dec 24 13:34:54 2019 No.14410409 >>14410403 or the main character who is telling the story has multiple personality disorder

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:35:17 2019 No.14410411 File: 12 KB, 171x266, 198384.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409558 >person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:36:44 2019 No.14410419 >>14409910 I'd buy that book at a yard sale with a counterfeit bill.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:39:27 2019 No.14410426 File: 558 KB, 518x536, image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >omniscient first person >omnipresent second person >omnimalevolent third person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:44:34 2019 No.14410462 File: 2.04 MB, 2324x4029, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14410403 Not necessarily. This chapter in Infinite Jest is technically second person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:44:57 2019 No.14410465 >>14409571 >that chin

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:01:26 2019 No.14410563 File: 30 KB, 500x500, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14410465

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:04:43 2019 No.14410583 omnibus 1nd peer son

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:43:20 2019 No.14410771 File: 83 KB, 960x955, neuron activation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >free indirect discourse

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:51:24 2019 No.14410802
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>>14410403
visual perspective in video games is not the same as narrative perspective. i know the autism is strong, but just because they have the same name does not make them the same.

1st person = from the ingame character's eyes
2nd person = over the shoulder
3rd person = top down/isometric, or other significantly zoomed out view.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 15:01:32 2019 No.14410845
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>>14409736
>omniscient third person
>author writes two fucking paragraphs of something that is supposedly happening off screen in great detail
>fucking kills any dread or mystery
Reading Red Army Rising and The Hunt for Red October was nothing short of pure pain

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 15:04:01 2019 No.14410863 >>14410419 lol'd irl

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:12:36 2019 No.14411178 File: 16 KB, 650x450, 1577221905790.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409558 Homestuck is in 2nd person. Case closed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:41:05 2019 No.14411330 >>14410462 I never realized how much of a weak robbe-grillet copy this is

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:14:11 2019 No.14411770 File: 153 KB, 334x436, 1551916254127.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > tfw you realise second person is actually third person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:15:56 2019 No.14411787 >>14411770 "No."

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:17:10 2019 No.14411795 >>14411787 You're either talking about yourself or someone else. There are no other options.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:18:24 2019 No.14411803 File: 149 KB, 530x600, 1492972743155.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14411770 >tfw you realize that atman is brahman and all persons are the same person

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:21:33 2019 No.14411819 >>14411795 >I don't understand what third person means.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:32:26 2019 No.14411871 File: 48 KB, 400x400, 1572230997196.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14411803 >tfw you realize that Chuck's Fuck & Suck is Sneed's Feed & Seed

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:36:27 2019 No.14411895 >>14411819 I understand what it means, but in writing it becomes the same. Swapping out [name] with [you] changes nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:39:07 2019 No.14411908 >>14409895 >The entire story is a random person narrating the life/events of a complete stranger >the person is completely unaware of the narrator

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:43:37 2019 No.14411926 >>14409571 Ironic yarn distant first person omniscient.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:44:10 2019 No.14411930 >>14411770 Second person is first person in disguise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:04:12 2019 No.14412019 >>14411908 comfy random plebeian's life in a village of a dragon-slaying hero narration

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:14:46 2019 No.14412067 >>14411908 >that's still just third person wouldn't it have to be "the narrator is completely unaware of the person"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:17:47 2019 No.14412077 >>14412067 that's still just third person, but that's the joke any narration is 4th person and 5th person and 1000th person to an infinite number of unmentioned characters, really makes you think

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:19:55 2019 No.14412088

>>14411895
Not really. Any writing will be centred on a speaker and have an addressee, making 2nd and 3rd distinct. Swapping [name] with [you] is the difference between talking to someone listening to you and talking about someone (who may hear you but is in the periphery). I think writing can break the way language is usually used and distributed though.

Also note that 'you' can be used as a generic pronoun.

>>14412077
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obviative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusivity

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:23:23 2019 No.14412107 La modification by michel butor is entirely in 2nd person. It's cringe tier postmodernist onanism. If on a winter's night a traveler is technically 2nd person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:24:16 2019 No.14412112 >>14409706 The Tunnel does this and is also the greatest book of all time so I agree.

Aminom Tue Dec 24 19:25:57 2019 No.14412119
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>>14411803
>tfw you realize that neither self-similarity nor difference is primary and that the universe is a dynamic co-creative multiplicity
Every possible perspective all at once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:26:44 2019 No.14412123 >3rd person mixed with 1nd person stream of consciousness

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:32:00 2019 No.14412142

>>14412088
Give me an example of writing a story in second person then. If it sounds like this:

> You awake at night, hearing something downstairs. You rush down the stairs and can barely believe what you see, HP Lovecraft rummaging through your fridge

That's still third person, you've just switched out the characters name with "you", stylewise it's identical.

Grammatically second person exists, however creatively in prose it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:40:51 2019 No.14412175 >>14412119 >namefag posts some gay shit wow so original

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:44:43 2019 No.14412194 >>14412088 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obviative >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusivity Fucking anglocucks lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:01:56 2019 No.14412277 File: 377 KB, 1076x779, archon kek, god of cringe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14412119 Go back to your subreddit and stay there you cringeworthy demiurgic tranny faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:22:33 2019 No.14413370 >>14409558 >not third person by way of a first-person perspective from an otherwise tertiary character to the plot who interacts with the actual main character It's like you don't know how to write interesting fiction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:01:00 2019 No.14413702 >first person future-tense of a bipolar horny and lonely poster

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