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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:14:26 2019 No.14393944 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:14:55 2019 No.14393949 >>14393944 First for Philip K. DICK

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sat Dec 21 23:16:17 2019 No.14393960 Neat pic. Thought it was Katie at first.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:21:12 2019 No.14393989
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Reading through Olympos, and is it me, or is Simmons having more fun with this one than he did with Ilium? A lot more humor with anachronistic dialogue.
Also, holy shit his fetishes are really showing. And what the fuck is with his fascination with Jews?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:24:04 2019 No.14393999 Anon, I bought that Ignition book you've been shilling as a gift for my brother in law. I'm out of ideas. Hopefully it's good. Just thought I'd let you know.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:50:07 2019 No.14394145

Hey /sffg/, I'm debating to switching my story to multi-POV, but I'm not sure if it's the right move yet. On one hand most of my characters are funnier when they have agency and it makes it easier for their identities to shine through when you see the world through their eyes. On the other hand, my story really doesn't NEED to be multi-POV except for one scene towards the end, because most of the characters I'd be focusing on spend the whole story in each other's company.

Is there a good reason not to do it?

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:51:35 2019 No.14394154

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdF_pedZpXbbJMtaOzgsckqxm6I_Yot2ozXdLeULXv-fI2dJA/viewform?usp=sf_link

/sffg/ survey, top 5:

1 book of the new sun
2 dune
3 lord of the rings
4 hyperion
5 a song of ice and fire

what's a good number of responses to stop at? currently at 42.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 23:53:10 2019 No.14394164 >>14394145 post what you're writing no, you're not going to publish it yes, we can all get a laugh out of it maybe you'll get an answer to your question from random feedback

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:01:56 2019 No.14394201 >>14394164 not posting it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:03:21 2019 No.14394208 >>14394154 >what's a good number of responses to stop at? currently at 42. you should've stopped before you began. we've already had two threads today establishing that book of the new sun sucks anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:04:40 2019 No.14394221 I'm making myself a reading list for 2020 with a fantasy history theme. Is there anything after 2015 that's notable I can finish off with?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:06:17 2019 No.14394230 >>14394221 As far as I know, nope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:13:51 2019 No.14394268 >>14394221 what exactly is a fantasy history theme? doesn't most fantasy use a pseudo medieval history theme? guy gavriel kay writes a lot of historical fiction fantasy

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:15:39 2019 No.14394273 >>14394201 then i'm not answering your hypothetical question because your "story" doesn't exist you fucking lying autist

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:15:42 2019 No.14394274

>>14394268
I misspoke because I'm stupid. The theme is "the history of fantasy". I'm starting on The Epic of Gilgamesh or The Iliad then working my way through some classics from across the world to pre-Tolkien, Tolkien, post-Tolkien and whatever comes after.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:18:19 2019 No.14394289 >>14394221 >>14394274 no dude nothing after 2015 is relevant

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:38:49 2019 No.14394414 >>14394274 I mean, if what you're looking for is the trajectory for fantasy post 2015, the Broken Earth trilogy fits the bill. Jemisin is a perfectly capable writer. It's just what she chooses to write...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:39:05 2019 No.14394415 >>14394289 Dear Esteemed Fellow, nothing after 1915 is relevant. I dare say, they are utter codswallop. Bloody rubbish at best!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 00:49:36 2019 No.14394475 >>14394414 >The Broken Earth trilogy This was bad, because it starts out great, becomes even better and the third book is just merely average. Jemisin can't write scifi and should just stick to fantasy.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:28:07 2019 No.14394663

Just finished book 1 of dune.
So the harkonnens are just able to invade and murder all the atreides and nobody or any of the other houses is supposed to give a shit? Did I miss some false pretense the harkonnens devised to legitimise the fact they just invaded a planet? All I read was they had sardaukar disguised as atreides attack a guild bank, but they said that was just to insure the atreides couldn't escape via guild. I dont see How this harkonnen plan make any sense unless in the dune universe invading another planet and murdering an entire house isn't a big deal.
Also why are the harkonnens hunting the fremen in book 2? Just because they suspect the atreides are hiding with then? Is it explained later and I just have to keep reading?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:41:45 2019 No.14394734 Anything where the women have big tits?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:42:13 2019 No.14394737 >>14393989 Ilium>>>Olympus

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:45:49 2019 No.14394750 >>14394734 >>14383578

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:48:15 2019 No.14394766
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Stay away from pic related.
>mc is a vampire
>most of the book is about him doing a threesome with a female werewolf and a female vampire hunter.
The first one was better as it focused more on the mc's survival. This is one is just... yak!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:48:23 2019 No.14394767 >>14394750 I dont want trashy smut garbage. I want real literature where the women have mass on their chests instead of being flat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 01:49:45 2019 No.14394775 >>14394767 Plz get out. This board is bad enough without you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 02:10:46 2019 No.14394858 >>14394766 Is there any vampire book that isn't absolute horseshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 02:24:28 2019 No.14394899 >>14394858 Blindsight

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 02:24:55 2019 No.14394900 >>14394858 Let the Right One In

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 02:28:35 2019 No.14394911
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Anybody read science fiction/fantasy magazines? I subscribed to Analog a couple years ago after reading a few issues in the library and now I am really beginning to believe that short stories and novellas are one of the best ways to enjoy science fiction. Shorter stories give you just enough time to be wowed by a novel concept and then you finish with it still feeling fresh, and then you move on to the next one. Its a lot of fun sometimes.
I would like to subscribe to a magazine that features fantasy short stories but I wonder if they will be as good. Does anybody here have experience with that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 02:36:46 2019 No.14394932 >>14394911 >paying for shit fuck no lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 03:05:10 2019 No.14395036 >>14394911 You don't need to subscribe. I have 1000s of issues for free. I am subscribed though. Can also read anthologies and collections. I think it's rather good for science fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 03:15:24 2019 No.14395070 >>14394663 >I dont see How this harkonnen plan make any sense unless in the dune universe invading another planet and murdering an entire house isn't a big deal. House on house warfare is fairly regular thing yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 03:18:56 2019 No.14395081 >>14393944 >>14394663 Alright anons, now who here has a dune link?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 03:34:06 2019 No.14395128 >>14395081 It's super easy to get. Do you really need to be entirely spoonfed?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 03:40:18 2019 No.14395147 >>14395081 Learn how to use IRC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 04:40:10 2019 No.14395312 >>14394415 I don't read anything written after 476 AD myself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 04:55:08 2019 No.14395345 >>14394154 >what's a good number of responses to stop at? December 26th >2 dune >3 lord of the rings >4 hyperion >5 a song of ice and fire Holy fuck, this general is disgusting

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:07:30 2019 No.14395526 >>14395345 >why don't people hate things normies like? kys, my nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:32:18 2019 No.14395600 Where can i download ebooks? Mobilsm sucks, most their links are dead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:34:02 2019 No.14395607 >>14395600 libgen

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:37:29 2019 No.14395619 >>14395607 A lot of their stuff have been purged too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:42:57 2019 No.14395635 >>14393944 Wait.... Does she have 4 arms? You think she has 2 pussies.... When you bet tired of one, switch to the other...

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:46:47 2019 No.14395645
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>>14395600
Public:
1. Mobilism - Has all the newest shids
2. Libgen - For older shid
3. IRC. All the common IRCs ban hostmasks such as mibbit so it's in your best interests to pick a normal IRC client. I use Hexchat, it's also the easiest to setup. IRChighway #ebooks is the best so just use that first, followed by #bookz or #ebooks on Undernet. The IRC is the biggest quantity of older archived releases that have not been taken down. You search it and send your request to a specific bot in the channel. If you don't get a response, you will need to pick another bot.

Private sources:
1. Myanonamouse - Hop onto their IRC and follow the steps and instructions of the recruiter. They will walk you through how to gain an invite. It is very simple.
2. Bibliotik - The most highly sought after of private book sites but also quite overrated unless you really need the 0.01% of books available nowhere else. A lot of us have invites but because this tracker belongs to a consortium of private trackers known as the cabal, inviting one bad member will get us banned on all sites. The most reliable way of obtaining an invite is to sit an IRC interview https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Redacted.ch, pass what is effectively an exam, reach Elite status on Redacted.ch (Been here at least 4 weeks, has uploaded at least 50 torrents and 100 GB, ratio above 0.65.) and obtain an invite from the recruiter. Redacted.ch is a music tracker so use something like SMLoadr to stuff the torrent site full of autosnatched FLACs

Audiobooks:
1. Audiobooksbay
2. Myanonamouse
3. Mobilism

======================

Other, shittier public sources (not as recommended, except for niche things)
4. The Pirate Bay - This used to be good and now it's shit
5. Baka Tsuki - This is used for translated japanese LNs, for things that have been taken down ask the threads on /a/ or check the archives
6. The Pirate Bay - Used to be a good resource and now it's shit
7. VK - May host niche interests, for example in my Doctor Who fandom, some VK members scanned extremely rare charity anthologies from more than two decades ago
Plus don't forget google eg filetype:pdf or filetype:epub it's less effective than it was many years ago

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 07:03:56 2019 No.14395693 >>14394766 Nice. Thanks for the rec.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 07:10:42 2019 No.14395722 File: 170 KB, 1069x1600, org-girl(1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14393944 At least some skin is showing. Let's call that an improvement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 07:12:55 2019 No.14395727 File: 989 KB, 1000x1500, 9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14394858 Loads. Were you just being snarky or do you need a recommendation?

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 07:23:38 2019 No.14395758

>>14394663
Yes, houses are allowed to do pretty much anything to each other except use Atomics. It's the royal house (Corrino) that isn't allowed to intervene between house conflicts (unless there's a good reason), which is why the Sardaukar had to be disguised.

The Harkonnens have been in conflict with the Fremen long before the events of the book started, because they did not control them. What they cannot manipulate or use to their advantage, they destroy. It only seemed like they "stopped" because they had to pass over authority of the planet to the Atreides. Once they regained control, they resumed and even doubled their hunting efforts, because Baron Vladimir wanted the ruler Beast Rabban to be hated by everyone. (So they will welcome the "real" ruler that the Baron wanted in charge.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 07:47:07 2019 No.14395831 File: 89 KB, 400x588, tumblr_oudwjo84jN1td3liyo1_400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >omg every woman i ever encounter says that she likes tall handsome boys like me, ugh please stop doing it im such a victim

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 07:54:25 2019 No.14395861 >>14395831 >ywn write yourself in as a harem protagonist and have your bland and shitty work read by people who kiss the ground you walk on Why even live?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 08:27:52 2019 No.14395975 File: 9 KB, 260x360, 1-robert-jordan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14395861 he must have self inserted as perrin

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 09:24:41 2019 No.14396163 >>14395727 I could use a few recommendations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 10:50:21 2019 No.14396565 >>14395600 I use mobilism and irc and have literally never failed to find what I want

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 10:51:23 2019 No.14396567 >>14394858 Fevre Dream is RR Martin's best book by some distance

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 10:54:21 2019 No.14396580 I'm getting spammed with litrpg mentions by goodreads despite never reading anything even close to the genre lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 10:58:17 2019 No.14396605 >>14396565 I guess you simply have pleb taste.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:00:05 2019 No.14396616 >>14396605 name me a book for your obscure unique taste that only you have and I bet I can still download it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:17:35 2019 No.14396691 >>14394858 Ann Rice's first vampire books. The rest are shit.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:29:55 2019 No.14396763
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>>14396163
Anno Dracula series by Kim Newman (well written, well researched and above all respectful towards the vampire myth)
The Historian by Elizabeth Kostova (slow burning but fun read)
Fevre Dream by GRRM (this being described as Mark Twain meets Bram Stoker)
An Unattractive Vampire by Jim McDoniel (for something a bit lighter)

These are not novels but I would also recommend picking up 30 Days of Night (the comic, not the movie) and Vampires (the movie) because it has James Woods killing vampires.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:39:26 2019 No.14396832 File: 1.55 MB, 1366x2048, reading.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14396616 It's okay man. No need to get defensive. I won't take it against you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:15:12 2019 No.14397103 >>14395645 Thank you for the high quality post. Ill save this for future use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:17:04 2019 No.14397115 >>14397103 Fucking newfags.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:17:07 2019 No.14397116 Can one of you post the pasta with Steve Irwin capturing and examining an elf?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:21:24 2019 No.14397146 >>14397116 https://imgur.com/gallery/Iyy46 Fucking newfag reddit rejects.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:21:41 2019 No.14397150 >>14394734 Literally every book by Philip K Dick

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:33:59 2019 No.14397222 Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is a great work of literature and Blade Runner is all style and little substance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:37:54 2019 No.14397249 >>14397115 >waaa im special waa ive been here longer than you waaaaaaaa Get a load of this precious little princess

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:41:07 2019 No.14397270 >>14397249 All you're doing is proving him right, newfag. Lurk for at least two years before posting, newfag filth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:53:42 2019 No.14397339 >>14397249 Uppity, technically illiterate newfag from Reddit. Stereotype in flesh.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 13:39:42 2019 No.14397566

>>14395645
>>14395600
Maybe I should make a separate link called Where And How To Download since apparently it isn't obvious enough in the OP. It needs a lot of work in a lot of ways, I know.

To add on to your post, instead of baka-tsuki:
https://nyaa.si/user/Ganba?f=0&c=3_1&q=
Which has basically every officially published LN in English except a few that would have to be scanned and are rather old and no one has ever done that. I probably should have done so myself but I didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 13:42:51 2019 No.14397586 I am 75% through the first book of Piers Anthony's "Bio of a Space Tyrant" and it's nothing but rape, rape, rape, with the occasional murder, child suicide and cannibalism thrown in. Does the rest of the series go on like that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:18:14 2019 No.14397749 >>14395526 >why does 4chan love things normies love Are we a confirmed normie board?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:20:07 2019 No.14397762 >>14397586 Almost all piers books are sex. He is an old perv

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:23:28 2019 No.14397776 Read Masters of Rome

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:23:37 2019 No.14397779 >>14397586 oof, I bought the whole series a while back and haven't read it yet

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:24:25 2019 No.14397782 >>14396763 >>14394899 >>14394900 >>14396567 >>14396691 >>14396763 Thanks, my fine dudes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:29:03 2019 No.14397805 >>14397749 Sometimes the normies are right, and some of the shit that normies like is pretty alright. There, I said it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:38:37 2019 No.14397849

>>14397762
Yeah I have read "Tatham Mound" and "Firefly" but despite some really crass pages and paragraphs those still have an advancing plot. I am now at the fourth or fifth space pirate attack and and ensuing mass rape and now every single one of the remaining women had been murdered seems like the whole book is nothing but a pretext to let him live out his fantasies about rape and violence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:40:44 2019 No.14397855 >>14397849 >seems like the whole book is nothing but a pretext to let him live out his fantasies about rape and violence Him making a career out of it really drives the point home of just how many sick motherfuckers there is out there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:43:37 2019 No.14397865 >The Messenger (Chaney & Maggert) >The Last Wish (Sapkowski) >Promise of Blood (McClellan) >Empire of Silence (Ruocchio) Which should I start with? Which prove I have shit taste?

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:51:52 2019 No.14397911

>>14397855
He's not the only one either .... I stopped John Norman's "Gor" series when I came to the first of the notorious "Slave books". Apparently cramming his normal books chock full of male dominance fantasies and near-rape was not enough for him, he had to write a whole freaking book about nothing else ...

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:07:38 2019 No.14398016
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>>14397911
You kind walked into that one yourself.
Some guys (and girls I guess) just want to read about whatever horrendous shit gets them off. No different or less disgusting from footfags or those closeted fags who are into trannies.
The issue is when they wrap it up into fantasy and start selling it as such.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:13:43 2019 No.14398041 >>14397911 https://youtu.be/xnwW_z3-A5I Hadn't thought of that guy since I watched this documentary ages ago. Those books really attract the freaks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:48:35 2019 No.14398230 >>14396832 post more qt azns reading lit

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:51:34 2019 No.14398245

>>14394154
I mean it needs to be at least 50 respondents, right? And even then it's low. Frankly I expect that a top 100 with only 50 votes will have most of the bottom 20 with just a single vote apiece, given how homogeneous the recommendations on this thread tend to be.

Not that I'm criticizing that much, I consider myself pretty well read and I've only read a few hundred sff books.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:52:22 2019 No.14398252 >>14397103 Things like invites for private trackers or whatnot are not guaranteed to be stable for the rest of eternity. If you want one, get them asap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:53:56 2019 No.14398267 File: 360 KB, 500x567, 1383236824954.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14398230 You need to do something about that yellow fever anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:56:41 2019 No.14398291 File: 170 KB, 900x1200, 1539469919543.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is reading in public cringe or based? i lean more towards cringe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:59:51 2019 No.14398318 >>14398291 reading in public is the chad way of doing is. especially if its GRI.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:59:55 2019 No.14398320 >>14398291 going out in public is cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:01:05 2019 No.14398332 >>14398320 based

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:08:24 2019 No.14398384 File: 453 KB, 1200x1600, 1464190579307.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14398320 But without reading in public how will you impress your intellectual superiority upon the normies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:12:52 2019 No.14398415 >>14398384 She's reading btw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:20:17 2019 No.14398461 Name top 3 fantasy you've read in 2019. Not necessarily released, just what you read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:24:03 2019 No.14398481 Why the fuck are there so many captchas what the hell >>14398461 The entire Chronicles of the Black Company along with Port of Shadows.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:33:44 2019 No.14398543

>>14398461
Powder Mage by McClellan
Witch World by Norton
A Thorn In the Bush by Herbert
Fostering Faust by Darren
Pearl Saga by Lustbader
War God by Weber
Necropolis PD by Sumison

Its in no particular order and its the best fantasy I've read this year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:33:58 2019 No.14398544 >>14398384 >women think this is ok >the men allow it disgusting, I can almost fucking smell it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:37:01 2019 No.14398569 >>14398544 Settle down Achmed, it's just pussy. Besides she's too old for your tastes. >>14398543 Damn look at all that bad writing.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:43:48 2019 No.14398619

>>14397865
The witcher short stories are good didn't like the novels much
Powder Mage is alright, read about half and can't remember why I stopped might've been coming back from holiday or something.
It's multi-pov but most of the time they all hold your interest

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:45:42 2019 No.14398636

>>14393830
read the southern reach books, liked them a lot
>>14393896
I read most of strugacki's works already, same with dick, but they aren't my favourites even though I like them well enough
thanks for other recs though
I'm looking to pick another Egan's book, I really liked the Quarantine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:46:42 2019 No.14398644 I'm interested in checking out Jemisin because that one series of hers gets a lot of praise but fuck, that screenshot with her disrespecting Lovecraft really triggers me. What do I do /sffg/? Is Broken Earth really that good?

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:48:15 2019 No.14398656
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>A story that describes the extermination of humanity, and the war between the new humans and the planets. Its genre is science fiction.
>It recounts fairy tales of the war between the new humans, who adapted to the environment, and the A-Rays, who came from the artificially created next-generation ecosystems.
On the planet that was doomed to death, political strife developed between the two races, to the point where the mysterious beings, the Aristoteles, rushed over from the universe with the intent of completely wiping out all life---
>In any case, ultimately it is a hopeless story.

>The story in Notes. takes place on Earth in the distant future, after mankind eventually killed the planet on which they lived with pollution and warfare. All natural life died, with the exception of mankind, as they were able to make use of advanced technology to artificially sustain themselves. This led to the creation of artificially enhanced humans, who were able to live on the ruined planet, and the A-Rays, creatures created with genetic engineering by combining humans and various other extinct life forms.
>A war breaks out between the enhanced humans and A-Rays, resulting in complete and utter devastation of what was left of Earth, as well as the near extinction of enhanced humans. The war is then interrupted by the abrupt arrival of the 8 Aristoteles, who only seek to indiscriminately destroy all remaining life on the dead planet.

>
in:
Notes, Aristoteles, Life
Ultimate One
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Ultimate Ones ( 原初の一アルテミット・ワン , Gensho no IchiArutemitto Wan ?, lit. Primordial One (Ultimate One)), also known as Aristoteles (アリストテレス, Arisutoteresu?) by the humans of the Land of Steel or Types (タイプ, Taipu?), are the eight ultimate lifeforms from other heavenly bodies, embodying the will of the planets themselves. Type Moon, while not active at the same time as the others, is also considered one.

>Ultimate Ones are the ultimate beings from other planets, differing significantly from both creatures of Earth and each other biologically and in appearance. They do not have the same sense of self as humans, nor do they have the concepts of damage or death. They require something above the existence of the common sense of the planet in order to be harmed or destroyed, though the resulting "death" is not necessarily permanent. In the world of Notes, they lack names originally, only given the name of "Aristoteles" by humans, and it is unknown why "Aristoteles" is used, perhaps originating from a scientist of the old age. It is possible for some to acquire the planet's concept of "knowledge" and several were able to contact mankind. Type Venus, as a parasite type being, is capable of such, but Type Mercury can only mimic the beings of Earth.

I want cool sci fi like this, boys

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:01:26 2019 No.14398739 >>14398644 >modern fantasy >good gee i wonder?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:04:53 2019 No.14398762 >>14394911 >>14395036 No, but now I am interested in hearing your recommendations

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:10:58 2019 No.14398800

>>14398461
1. The Second imager set of books (Scholar, Princeps, Antiagon Fire):
Still haven't read the final book but this was a sublime story. In recent years I've not been one for reading big multiple book series but Modesitt has a talent for drawing you in.
The series does an amazing job of starting out small with the protagonist going to solve a seemingly small scale problem and eventually branching into building of empires stuff without ever making it feel like a leap was taken.
The real focus of the series is war but the author does a fantastic job with the large parts of the books where the concern is just improving the administration of a city. I'd probably read like 1000 pages of Modesitt writing small scale bureaucracy if he ever felt like writing it.

2. Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City:
I've not been a big KJ Parker fan in the past. He's undoubtedly an accomplished writer but I've always been left somewhat cold by just how shitty the worlds he creates are.
This was a nice change, even though all the classic Parker features are there (Tragedy born out of pigheadedness, the death of empires, friendships turning to violence) Sixteen Ways stands out from the rest because he writes the protagonist as more fun upbeat narrator whose main focus is always presented as solving problems rather than brooding revenge or w/ever.
That alone makes the book fly by and in my estimation makes the tragedy present work much better.

3. Bone Ships:
I love nautical fantasy and this is the best entry the genre's had in a while. The ship battles are exciting, the magic is kept mysterious and intriguing and the character work is outstanding.
I went into this very skeptical after bouncing off of the author's debut novel but this won me over fast, they do a good job of taking a seemingly rote setup of character types and plot and turning it into something memorable.

Honourable mentions:
Gideon the Ninth (If the rest of the series keeps it up this'll probably retroactively be BOTY. If the sequels hold up this could be a great series)
For the Killing of Kings, Dragonslayer (loved both of these but they're both very open ended first novel in trilogies)
The Hanged Man
Unnatural Magic (if the main pov and plot is less rote and predictable this makes it, the other povs are possibly the best character writing of the year)
The Ruin of Kings (good but bulky and I feel like I need to judge the series as a whole, sequel will be one of my first books of 2020)
Ladies of Mandrigyn (random old book that I read and loved of the year)
The Last Sun & The Hanged Man (very good for urban fantasy, exceptional worldbuilding)
A Conspiracy of Truths (very good first half and then I've just never gone back to read the rest)

Scifi: Finder/Cry Pilot/Aftershocks
hm: Last Man Out (kay), Hidden World (snodgrass), latest Murderbot book, Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:11:47 2019 No.14398804

I have been reading some interactive books, its my shame because its clearly young adult shit but some of them have such interesting premises, and i gotta admit i love the interactiveness they provide
Anyway, the one i most liked was Choice of Rebels: Uprising, i really liked the low magic setting with blood magic, any tips of other books with that premise?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:12:04 2019 No.14398807 >>14398800 My gideon line makes sense, first half should say this was right right on the edge of making the three

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:16:49 2019 No.14398830 >>14398644 Read the book you bigot!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:18:04 2019 No.14398840 File: 348 KB, 1242x1428, 73AF41DC-D93B-4F56-AA07-3903F36A8B7D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14398807 >>14398644 Forgot the image

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:18:13 2019 No.14398841 >>14398644 If you're really interested then read it, but remember she's a negress; she could have shat out any old drivel and it'd get praised by the masses regardless of it's true quality

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:29:38 2019 No.14398914 Are deistic themes unavoidable in fiction, since all fiction takes place in, by definition, a created universe?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:39:25 2019 No.14398977 will i ever find a author to top tolkien

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:39:27 2019 No.14398978 File: 82 KB, 496x650, thequestfortanelorn07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14398461 The Broken Sword Time and the Gods The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath The Quest for Tanelorn

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:42:35 2019 No.14399005 File: 21 KB, 200x261, the next tolkien.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14398977

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:44:45 2019 No.14399023 >>14399005 deep breathes Anon are you fucking kidding me? I am not one of those who goes >oh my FUCKING GOD BS is literally ANIME but comparing him to tolkien is a FUCKING travesty

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:45:13 2019 No.14399027 >>14398977 >a author Not with that grammar you won't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:53:14 2019 No.14399075 File: 2.84 MB, 1268x1071, Leia and her Sons.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i can't stop reading bad Star Wars EU novels, send help

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:56:31 2019 No.14399098 >>14398978 Nice art. That the official Japanese cover?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 17:59:45 2019 No.14399124 >>14399027 ok

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:00:48 2019 No.14399135 >>14395635 ARMS. Arms. Not legs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:03:47 2019 No.14399163 >>14398804 >interactive books Like what? Whats the best ones? This reminds me of those choose your own adventure from like goosebumps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:10:17 2019 No.14399221 File: 63 KB, 456x650, ecandphoenix07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14399098 Yes, nips really like moorcock

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:12:02 2019 No.14399231

>>14399163
>choose your own adventure
Yeah shit like that, my preferred ones are the choice of * tough i must admit there are some with tranny characters but they dont annoy me anymore that much
But since you are on /lit/ i doubt you'd like them, some have nice premises but they are clearly young adult shit like i said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:15:37 2019 No.14399263 Would learning latim help me make more interesting books?

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:21:51 2019 No.14399310

>>14398762
Well, like I said I have enjoyed the Analog magazine. Their latest issue contained a novella called The Astronaut from Wyoming that I thought was really good. It was originally published in 1991 so you might be able to find it on the internet somehow.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:27:29 2019 No.14399359
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>>14399005
this is brandon sanderson, right?

I just finished binging the mistborn trilogy. Despite its obvious flaws, I was somewhat glued to the series until the end.

Do people dislike Brandon? I thought his writing felt immature in the trilogy, that's for sure, but the book itself seemed aware of its flaws. I felt like Sanderson's writing could get a whole lot better, and his themes and ideas presented throughout weren't anything terrible. I enjoyed it.

I only just started up reading again recently, and I grabbed Mistborn on a whim, so it's not like I knew anything about him going in.

I don't generally follow or care about people's opinions on what I read, but I was surprised that I liked such a flawed and immature story. I really enjoyed some of the themes and characters. Maybe it's just because this is the first book I've read in ages.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:50:33 2019 No.14399536 >>14399359 it's a meme and a lot of people have read way worse anime garbagefiction when they were younger

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 18:56:30 2019 No.14399594 >>14399263 >Would learning latim help me make more interesting books? Start with proof-reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 19:00:58 2019 No.14399627 >>14399594 No, i mean in world building

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 19:13:56 2019 No.14399733 books on blood magic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 20:14:08 2019 No.14400180 what's some dinoshit that doesn't feel like dinoshit? I want excitement and action, not archaic prose

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 20:18:34 2019 No.14400208 >>14397782 could also look up Necroscope by Brian Lumley, though "vampire" is used somewhat loosely to describe the beings in the book.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 20:34:12 2019 No.14400308

>>14393944
Question, what's the weirdest genre fiction any of you ever read?

I don't necessarily mean postmodern cut-up stuff or anything, just new takes and spins on horror, sci-fi, fantasy, and the like, that are so out their or stick with you both with quality and imagination.

Like, I've read the main stuff and can appreciate their impact, but I never got into the trad picks like LOTR or Dune.
I do dig on old weird fiction, stuff by Lovecraft and Ashton Smith, getting through Gormenghast, Viriconium, and some recent stuff by China Mieville and Jeffrey Thomas.

so yeah, while I search for new and interesting stuff, I'd like to here anything any of you have come across in your literary travels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 20:35:17 2019 No.14400317 >>14400308 worth giving michael cisco a look. 'weird horror' is his thing--not the best i've read, but really interesting nonetheless

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 20:43:36 2019 No.14400364 All of Gene Wolfe's books are allegorical.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 20:47:30 2019 No.14400386 File: 45 KB, 333x499, Space_War_Blues.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14400308 I suppose purely as an exercise in unintelligible prose. It certainly is odd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:09:18 2019 No.14400510 >>14400364 I'm allergic to allegory.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:12:53 2019 No.14400536

>>14400510
The Divine Comedy is also allegorical and it's considered one of the greatest pieces of literature ever devised, even the demiurge-hating Harold Bloom said so so it must be legit, don't you think, and you can't read it due to, as you say, allergies to allegories, thus you're going to die a dilettante no matter what you do.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:17:12 2019 No.14400559

>>14400536
>considered one of the greatest pieces of literature ever devised
By people whose opinions I entirely disregard and thus have no value to me.

>Harold Bloom said so so it must be legit
Just another dead white man soon to be forgotten.

>dilettante
That's my aspiration.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:27:40 2019 No.14400615 >There will never, never, never ever be another Ringworld novel..

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:30:17 2019 No.14400628 >>14400615 Not true. Once the copyright expires anyone can legally do so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:32:36 2019 No.14400644 >>14398384 Imagine this was your girlfriend and did this in public, clearly doing it for other men.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 21:56:16 2019 No.14400774 Are there any books where death is personified as an entity that only does what it does in an attempt to be noticed?

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 22:05:50 2019 No.14400839

>>14397566
>Maybe I should make a separate link called Where And How To Download since apparently it isn't obvious enough in the OP. It needs a lot of work in a lot of ways, I know.
That is a very bad idea especially with stuff like Bibliotik, if the recruitment pathway is known widely then they will change it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 22:07:18 2019 No.14400847 >get an idea for a book >spend days writing it >re-edit, re-edit, re-edit >stop for a few days >hate what I've written and hit del This cycle is fucking obnoxious

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 22:17:24 2019 No.14400892 >>14400847 Nobody cares

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 22:23:00 2019 No.14400913 File: 869 KB, 1500x743, LotusWarTrilogy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there any good fiction with Steampunk settings? Prefferably those that aren't literally just "Victorian London but with machines and more monocles".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:19:10 2019 No.14401154 File: 1.39 MB, 2448x3264, img_4562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are the Death Dealer books any good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:25:03 2019 No.14401172 >ancient enemies could only be sealed or driven out >weak modern protagonist easily kills them for good Ok...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:38:12 2019 No.14401222 >>14401154 They look cool. I'm missing one so I haven't read them yet.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:39:04 2019 No.14401225

>>14400559
>So entrenched in idpol that you have to take into consideration someone's race and gender, which are spooks, before deciding if you agree with them or not.
You guys are as bad as /pol. Is really that hard to look at someone's credentials without getting assblasted about muh boogeyman?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:39:14 2019 No.14401227 >>14400913 hahaha haha ha

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:40:14 2019 No.14401234 >>14401225 learn to identify bait broother

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:56:40 2019 No.14401317 >>14400839 Anything private would be disregarded for a multitude of reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:57:42 2019 No.14401324 >>14401234 What bait is to some is another's sincerity. All that effort just for a (you). Sad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:57:43 2019 No.14401323 >>14401225 Credentials are a system of oppression.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:59:19 2019 No.14401335 >>14401324 The only sincerity you've ever managed is being sincerely narcissistic.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:10:20 2019 No.14401390

>>14401317
MAM is basically a mandatory requirement for people who like to pirate books (albeit mostly self published/lesser known shids and some rare things also get released on that site faster than on mobilism). And the occasional ARC that slips in. Bibliotik is not mandatory at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:15:18 2019 No.14401410 >>14401390 Have you used IRC?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:16:29 2019 No.14401416 >>14401410 My typical search strat is bibliotik MAM mobilism IRC. In the days before, I searched the IRC then MAM and that's how I found out that some books on MAM never make it to the IRC and vice versa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:17:24 2019 No.14401421 >>14401416 If Biblotik isn't mandatory why do you search it first?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:19:38 2019 No.14401432 >>14401421 Almost everything on Bibliotik is just retail quality epubs. I have plenty of buffer and they don't have a minimum seed time.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:20:59 2019 No.14401437
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>>14393944
>reading the lord of the rings
>Tolkien’s prose and way of writing nature is astounding
>own prose is shit>>14401421

>ywn be as good as him
What’s the point bros? I just want to be a good writer, but I get genuinely depressed whenever I read Tolkien, his prose is so fucking good. It’s not fair.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:21:10 2019 No.14401439 >>14401421 Mobilism is also retail quality epubs 99% of the time because it's all the new overdrive stuff. Then you have MAM, libgen and the IRC which may or may not have shady conversions and OCRs that are flaky and whatnot.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:27:27 2019 No.14401461

>>14401439
>IRC which may or may not have shady conversions and OCRs that are flaky and whatnot.
That's why have to properly search and download the ones that say retail or 5.0.
Of course it may have the older versions as well and a lot of books don't have an ebook version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:28:51 2019 No.14401476 >>14401461 Also if you aren't using sbclient and dlfilter on IRC then you're doing it wrong.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:37:18 2019 No.14401512

>>14401461
>>14401476
You see, I have extremely bad reading habits. A lot of the time, I am actually reading between 11PM and 3 AM.

My phone is right next to me, but my computer is not and I never bothered with a kindle. My phone has no working XDCC client because it's ios shit (albeit jailbroken iOS shit so I at least have a functioning torrent client without jumping through a million hoops) and it barely even has a functioning web browser capable of downloading the files I need. So bibliotik/MAM works (although MAM needs my seedbox because of reasons) and nothing else does.

I jump onto the IRC a lot more when I'm on the computer to download stuff. I have it setup to join channels automatically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 01:19:34 2019 No.14401700 >>14398461 Black Leopard Red Wolf The Poppy War The Blade Itself.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:10:04 2019 No.14401886

>>14398461
The "Acacia" trilogy by David Anthony Durham. Started out pretty based but got worse as more and more magic started to be brought into the plot, not the biggest fan of that. But if you dont mind that kind of thing the books are quite good. Some sweet world building.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:14:55 2019 No.14401904 >>14399310 >I have enjoyed the Analog magazine. ........ you might be able to find it on the internet somehow >>>/t/805598

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:22:11 2019 No.14401934

>>14400308
Barrington J Bayley - Garments of Caean - A man acquires a tailored suit with incredible powers originating from an enemy star system
David Lindsay - Voyage to Arcturus - phantasmagoric journey across another planet
Robert Silverberg - Son of Man - acid trip story of a man thrust into the far future where he sees weird shit and fucks the far future descendants of humanity
Olaf Stapledon - Star Maker - Future history of the universe from now until the end of time and beyond

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:23:56 2019 No.14401941 File: 793 KB, 2119x1532, Edge-chronicles-map-the-edge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14400913 Perdido Street Station and the later Edge Chronicles books

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 03:56:12 2019 No.14402350 File: 498 KB, 1126x758, Imagine.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14395635

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 03:57:28 2019 No.14402353 File: 200 KB, 500x850, monthly reading.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Merry Christmas!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 04:08:37 2019 No.14402381 >>14401904 Oh thanks. That's really cool!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 04:16:15 2019 No.14402395 File: 42 KB, 466x496, 23556243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14400913 It's not really steampunk but you could give The Inverted World a try

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 04:19:29 2019 No.14402399 Are the Witcher novels any good? Just finished the series and it was great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 04:21:37 2019 No.14402404 File: 457 KB, 1334x350, sideeye.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14401225 >credentialism

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 04:25:37 2019 No.14402414 >>14402399 The short stories are good, the novels are not as good but still readable

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 04:27:56 2019 No.14402417 >>14402399 They aren't horrible, but read like a fix-up more than an integrated novel. A lot of setting and character, but soft on story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 05:44:31 2019 No.14402551 I'm starting book 2 of Raven's Mark series by ed mcdonald, it's very comfy grimdark with a splash of cthulhu that I found in a general. so, thanks sffg. i don't see it discussed ever but it's really good for what it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 06:30:09 2019 No.14402651 >>14400628 In other words, not in our lifetimes, which to me is the same as never ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 07:15:28 2019 No.14402751 >no ayyys >no FTL >no wormholes can you recommend sci-fi books like this please?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 07:43:02 2019 No.14402806 >>14402751 Flatland. But also BotNS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 07:44:06 2019 No.14402811 >>14402551 Book one is pretty good but imo books two and three could never reach the same level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 08:20:59 2019 No.14402898 >>14397805 What a shit taste Imagine actually thinking ASOIAF and Dune are actually among the top 5 best works of speculative fiction

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 08:23:07 2019 No.14402903 >>14402898 Dune sure, nothing special, but ASOIAF definitely is up there. Name 5 things released this century that are better. >inb4 Wolfe/Conan/Amber memes

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 08:31:44 2019 No.14402931 Does Prince of Nothing have satisfying payoff or is it just suffering and grimness for the sake of it? I only hear people talking about how dark it is, nothing about how the plot gripped them or similar. Just started the first book btw.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 08:34:03 2019 No.14402938

>>14402903
>this century
This looks awfully arbitrary.
>inb4 Wolfe/Conan/Amber memes
Wolfe is a fantastic writer, unparalleled in his ability to weave stories on a meta level. The other two are, indeed, memes.

>Name 5 things released this century that are better.
Do you mean in the 21st century or during the previous 100 years? From your follow-up, I take it is the latter.

- Gormenghast
- Little, Big
- The Book of Wonder
- Peace
- The Snail on the Slope

I could probably even do a high fantasy only top 5, even known the genre has been infiltrated by filthy D&D neckbeards

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 08:36:07 2019 No.14402947 >>14402931 >Does Prince of Nothing have satisfying payoff not really. it's one of the few complaints i'd have about the two sets of books

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 08:51:08 2019 No.14402992

>>14402938
The 21st.
You might disagree, but in my opinion accessibility is something important to make a work good. ASOIF did something special in creating an extremely complex story, yet make it digestible to all kinds of people, not just 60 year old men. Now obviously just because something is accessible it doesn't become instantly good, Sanderson is still way too juvenile for example. There is a fine line and authors who can dance on it without leaning too far into either direction are in my opinion the most skilled. Stuff like Gormenghast is just the Sanderson of the other side.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 09:26:52 2019 No.14403101

>>14402992
>accessibility is something important to make a work good
This is basically implying that Joyce, Gaddis, and Arno Schmidt are shit authors, because they are to difficult for mainstream audiences.
Anyway, you're incorrect. Accessibility is independent of the quality of the art. Someone's inability to appreciate a masterpiece, because they lack the intelligence required to understand it, does not make the aforementioned masterpiece any worse. Similarly, it is possible to make a work of genuine depth accessible to even children. Alice's Adventure in Wonderland , the Wizard of Oz, and King Matt The First are perfect examples: they are meant for children, yet their depth surpasses that of ASOIAF.
>an extremely complex story
But in what way? It is complex for the sake of complexity, rather than in hopes of achieving high aesthetical value or saying something non-trivial about life. It doesn't go deep into the human psyche, it doesn't search for meaning, and it doesn't highlight surprising connections between seemingly unrelated things. Here, "complex" is merely equivalent to "gripping and complicated plot", rather than being complex in the ways I outlined above, as per Proust, Kafka, Melville, Goethe, and similar writers.
>not just 60 year old men
Good literature is for intelligent people, not for a specific demographic group. It is, indeed, true that a large part of intelligent people are old, white men (look at top scientists for example), but you noting this as something that matters supports my initial impression of you being a tranny (here I use tranny as a catch-all term for anyone whose views (and in this case instinctive manner of self-expression) have been noticeably influenced by contemporary leftist propaganda from the US)

>The 21st
I still don't understand your disposition towards arbitrarily selected period of time, but easily:
(In the 21st century)
- Everything that GGK wrote
- Everything Gene Wolfe wrote (The Sorcerer's House is among his best, and my personal favourite)
- Everything China Mieville wrote
- Everything Scott Bakker wrote
- Everything K.J. Parker wrote
- Everything Samuel Delany wrote
- Greg Egan and Peter Watts for harder variety of scifi
- Ligotti for horror

The point is, ASOIAF is not an "extremely complex story". It is, rather, a decent work of entertainment and nothing else. What you perceive as complexity, and so readily equate to depth, is only a way of engaging the audience, rather than an attempt at genuine artistic insight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 09:35:04 2019 No.14403129 >>14399733 Check the archive for blood magic. I'm sure I answered something like that 6 years ago.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 09:41:53 2019 No.14403147

>>14403101
Well like I said, you might disagree. I don't agree it has to do with intelligence. Being able to deliver your thoughts in a coherent and accessible way is what makes an intelligent writer to me. Also literary fiction is an entire different category, the entire point of it that it doesn't have "limits" and you can do whatever.
>they are meant for children, yet their depth surpasses that of ASOIAF
I don't know what you mean by this. They really don't. They're very simple, plain stories and won't impress anyone already familiar with their tropes from other stories.
Also your political assumptions are all wrong - I'm not from the US and have no idea what's going on there.

Interesting list (though unfortunately nothing new to me, I was hoping for some surprises), although I feel like the sentence you follow it up with kinda contradicts it as a lot of that is definitely very "engaging the audience". Surely you see what I meant by dancing in the middle of the line and how they differ from stuff like Gormenghast or Joyce if you list those kind of books? Because they're what I described before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 09:51:51 2019 No.14403178 >>14402931 It’s really good grimdark, and I recommend you stick with it. That said we’ll never get the final duology because overlook is ran by a bunch of cucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:00:18 2019 No.14403206 >>14398977 yeah, me in 4 years ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:01:20 2019 No.14403211 >>14398291 people that read in public are 99% of the time faggots that don't even read that much but want other people to see them reading

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:01:24 2019 No.14403212

>>14403147
>coherent and accessible way is what makes an intelligent writer to me
This may be a valid critique of Hegel, but sometimes it is the idea that is difficult. You can't teach quantum mechanics to a brainlet.

You fall into the classic blunder of "Seinfeld is not funny" because "tropes". They CREATED the tropes. Yes, they are simple, but that is what makes them so valuable - they are the prime myths, the fundamental stories from which all other stories derive. See Heinric von Kleist for what I mean; these are stories of the highest caliber, they dance closer to the fundamentals of the human condition than any Epic High fantasy ever written, as far as I know. Despite their "simplicity" they can be interpreted in hundreds of ways - from allegorical to that of a subconscious expression. Also these stories are written in an impeccable prose and their ability to create atmospheres is astonishing.

There's no contradiction. I specifically chose stories that are very accessible, yet contain genuine "complexity". Think about Wolfe, Eco, Nabokov, etc. and their ability to layer a story - you can read it as entertainment, or you can look deeper. For something more "surprising" check out Antoine Volodine, and Can Xue. They are, I think, the best authors of speculative fiction (loosely defined in the second case) in the 21st century.

I see what you mean by dancing in the middle, and I think it is a mere abstraction of things that are, perhaps, correlated, but not mutually exclusive, and hence the spectrum you have in your mind is a dangerously imperfect abstraction. Additionally, as I said, I don't see any true depth to ASOIAF.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:08:35 2019 No.14403247 >>14402751 What you're looking for is called hard scifi. It's an autistic genre that writes current reality in space, without the sense of awe and wonder that normal non autistic, not by the numbers scifi gives.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:18:54 2019 No.14403294

>>14394911
I subscribed to Analog last year and unfortunately I've only read maybe one story or two out of the four magazine I currently own. I don't have a lot of reading time (or choose not to have a lot of reading time) and would just rather read the books in my To-Read queue rather than read a magazine.

Regardless, any standout short stories from the recent magazines? I just got a copy of Analog with a dinosaur riding a ship (REDDITT!!!!). Greg Egan did a short story a couple magazines ago, that was good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:19:28 2019 No.14403296 >>14403247 >hard scifi can't include fictional concepts like aliens or FTL Not surprised a newfag who uses the term autistic doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:30:49 2019 No.14403338 >>14400913 LitRPG thread is over there >>14400760

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:50:00 2019 No.14403393 >>14403338 Lotus War isn't LitRPG, fag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:08:36 2019 No.14403477 >>14400913 bullet catcher's daughter more the second trilogy than the first but it's all at least good

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:20:59 2019 No.14403542 i wish my second novel was as funny and concise as my first was

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:22:55 2019 No.14403557
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>>14397749
No you stupid fuck, we should let normies completely dictate what we like by ignoring everything that's popular and only reading obscure shit. So now we can't read Wolfe because Gaiman constantly praises him. Voyage to Arcturus? No nigga, Harold Bloom sequeled that shit, can't read it now.

KYS

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:37:36 2019 No.14403611 >>14397146 The pasta originated from 4chan, faggot. kys

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:42:22 2019 No.14403631

>>14403296
Hi newfriend, I know it's fun to pretend like you were here for years, but posting without lurking and figuring out basic information gives away your newness.
All hard sci-fi autistic readers cry about how traveling faster than light is not possible. Please read the archives before embarrassing yourself even further.
Thank you for trying to better yourself, and don't forget to embrace noose-kun like a scarf tonight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:43:35 2019 No.14403644 >>14402399 Love the short stories, hated the novels. Series is absolutely shit, so if you like it you'll probably love both the short stories and the novels

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:44:48 2019 No.14403655 >>14403393 He just wanted a means to post his thread in the thread without the mods deleting it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:55:18 2019 No.14403703 >>14403631 Lurk for at least two years before posting, newfag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:14:11 2019 No.14403787 File: 2.86 MB, 387x427, 1476410637645.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14403703 >newfag calling me a newfag Is this opposite day?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:24:43 2019 No.14403836 https://www.tor.com/2019/12/23/announcing-the-table-of-contents-for-some-of-the-best-from-tor-com-2019/ free to read all of these short stories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:44:18 2019 No.14403926 Rec some Sci-Fi/Fantasy short story collections please

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:46:58 2019 No.14403937 File: 30 KB, 200x287, Science_Fiction_of_the_Thirties.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14403926 One of my favorites

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:50:03 2019 No.14403955 File: 9 KB, 306x165, Rīʟ̆.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who likes my idea of "Talon of the Tzāk?" >>14403782

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:01:43 2019 No.14404023 >>14403955 Such low quality posting, mod chan will save us!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:03:12 2019 No.14404034 >>14404023 >Let's have SciFi. >Mods!

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:11:46 2019 No.14404071

>>14403557
Implying normies have even heard of Wolfe and Bloom.
Not to mention this is a complete strawman given how I complained about the fucking TOP 5 SPECULATIVE FICTION BOOKS OF ALL TIME including objectively mediocre pieces of pure entertainment like ASOIAF and didn't say anything about everything popular being bad. You literally changed what I said to what you wanted me to say in your head, so you would have an excuse to insult me.

Also, imagine getting so angry on the internet that you tell someone to kill themselves
Yeah, you're a great example of why arrbooks and arrfantasy managed to invade this place in recent years. There are psychos there too, and they don't fit in. So they come here bringing their shit taste and their mentals problems.

I miss the old sffg where people came here because they found the taste of other sites mediocre and discussions didn't degenerate into name-calling and a bunch of newfags calling each other newfags, and then a mediumfag calling someone a newfriend to show his superiority.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:15:42 2019 No.14404090

Anyone here have ADHD?

I'm starting to think I have it, it would explain so much in my life. Can't really read or get immersed for long periods (over 30 minutes) and tend to forget stuff / not take it in properly. I was very hyperactive as a kid and got in trouble all the time, that calmed down now as an adult but the inattentive problems are still there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:16:39 2019 No.14404095 File: 578 KB, 574x479, Rocinante.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any other series like The Expanse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:22:39 2019 No.14404130 >>14404090 I have Autism and ADD.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 13:55:49 2019 No.14404280

>>14402399
I'm working my way through the novels now! What did you like and dislike about the series? As a point of reference, what are some works you like or strongly dislike?

I read "The Last Wish" several years ago and picked it up again this month since the show was signed and reminded me of its existence (I know, I know, how blasphemous of me). I remember them being okay short stories with interesting characters and quick paced story telling but the writing itself didn't spark me at the time. Most of that still holds true with my latest re-read. They're fun if you enjoy fantasy but they're nothing to write home about.

Pacing seems to be this author's weakness in long form writing, he spends too much time on useless exposition and doesn't build well enough on the world around him. I've been told the native work is really witty, so I'm assuming this is what's missing and the reason the novels feel like noisy chatter with no payoff. I just started Book 4, The Tower of Swallows, and I sense myself losing interest the further I get. Worth noting I bought all the books a few days ago and I've been going through 1-2 a day since they're so short. It's possible reading them slower might make it more consumable. Also likely I just can't stand Ciri and soft story telling.

Anyways, I'd love to hear what everyone's thoughts are. I don't have many friends interested in the series or fantasy literature in general.

>>14404090
It's a significant factor but likely not the definitive reason for your attention troubles. Concentration is also a skill which needs to be developed over time, through incremental practice no matter how awful and futile it feels. If you genuinely feel like it's something no amount of practice or effort can remedy, then maybe it's worth seeking professional help so you can enjoy your life again. I only speak from my own experience, so use your best judgement and all that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 14:04:27 2019 No.14404309 >>14404071 Nice romanticism for a time that never existed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 14:05:49 2019 No.14404315 >>14404309 We used to meme Borges goddamnit, now we have litrapeg instead

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 14:10:30 2019 No.14404340
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>>14394858
>vampire book

Speaking of which - is Vampire Hunter D any good? I've never heard anyone discuss it despite being a pretty prolific series. Is it because it comes from Japan or something?

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 14:16:32 2019 No.14404367

>>14404280
>>14404130
>I only speak from my own experience
Are you medicated? Since childhood or adult diagnosis? How do you read on it compared to no medication?

The thing is I've been reading for a long time and it used to be a bit better, but has actually gotten worse with time. Also the problem isn't just concentration, it feels like past the first 10-15 minutes I gradually derive less enjoyment from an activity and it eventually becomes a pain to continue. I have a hard time focusing on a single book due to that, I have multiple books, TV shows, games etc. at any given time going on to keep the stimulation high or I get bored. Does this not sound abnormal? I always thought it was normal, only lately I've kinda felt like it's really weird. People talking about how they read a book in a day or a series in a week is a dream for me. I can't sit down with something I REALLY like because I know 30-60 mins in I will get bored, no matter how excited for it I am beforehand. I will try speaking to a professional, it'd be really cool if there was a "fix" for this and I didn't have to live with it my whole life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 14:29:38 2019 No.14404420 >>14404315 Magical Realism isn't really sff

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 15:01:34 2019 No.14404560 >>14394766 >threesome Downloading audiobook right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 15:26:49 2019 No.14404679 >>14404090 Have you tried nicotine ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 15:30:59 2019 No.14404699 I beg of you Something fun with good characters Some grimmness is fine but no 2deep please

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 15:33:42 2019 No.14404716 >>14404699 The Heresy Within -Rob J. Hayes

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 16:15:02 2019 No.14404879 >>14404340 i have the first one and i cant stand the writing. its translated in a way that doesnt work in english, its just so bad

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 16:22:24 2019 No.14404916

>>14404340
I read the originals first, absolutely love this series and its intriguing post-apocalyptic setting. English translations are a hit or miss depending on your own preferences. They have a heavier pulp narration style which may come off campy and odd at times. Personally I found the wording really chunky too, which may break your own immersion into the text if you're selective there. I'd also warn that the plot and development are on the lighter end given it's pulpy nature. If you can move past those issues though, you'll find in your possession a delightful series with memorable characters and a wonderfully enticing world.

I'm guessing it doesn't receive more attention because of the pulp nature and general difficulty in accessing the novels. I haven't seen the books at an english speaking bookstore in the last decade?

>>14404367
>keep the stimulation high or I get bored
Stimulation high shouldn't be the basis for your assessment of concentration abilities. I can say I am bored out of my mind while I do 90% of my activities. However, losing control over basic functions is huge sign you may need some form of help. i.e. dropping a book because it's boring is not the same as being unable to read a short story for a class assignment because you have no control over your mind

I was diagnosed as a kid, not medicated regularly because it exacerbates other issues when I am. Likewise, I do not medicate when reading. Essentially medication grants control back to you so you can manage your life, but the degree of impact depends on your individual case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 16:37:48 2019 No.14404980 >>14403178 About 60 pages in, I think I like it. But I've no idea what's really going on or what the hell all these different factions are / what they want. I hope it won't go over my head as I keep reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 17:07:51 2019 No.14405104 >>14404699 raven's mark series by ed mcdonald > As a result of the money they'd thrown my way I could now at least afford a decent building to throw up behind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 17:10:17 2019 No.14405116 >>14403178 i was under the impression that there were two different trilogies and i was planning on reading the first one and bailing. does it not have a proper conclusion?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 17:13:13 2019 No.14405133 >>14404699 pratchett

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 17:27:21 2019 No.14405196 I want to write a nautical fiction story set in a fantasy world, but part of me wants to go full stupid and do floating sky islands. Talk me out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 17:32:04 2019 No.14405223 >>14405196 Do it. Take something stupid and do something interesting with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 17:53:00 2019 No.14405364 >>14405196 Do both. Have a sky ocean that has sky islands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 18:04:30 2019 No.14405438 >>14398461 A Little Hatred by Joe Abercrombie Railsea by China Mieville A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 18:09:52 2019 No.14405479 File: 556 KB, 1655x1673, Discworld.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14404699 >>14405133 Take your pick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 18:16:18 2019 No.14405509 >>14405479 >Reading the series in anything other than chronological order Though there is that weird little spot when you have like three books with the same exact premise right after the other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 18:35:15 2019 No.14405617 >>14405509 Which spot would that be?

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 18:45:24 2019 No.14405685

>>14405509
For someone as insanely creative as he is, it was a bit jarring going from Men at Arms (Man possessed by magic gun) to Soul Music (Man possessed by magic guitar.). Though looking back, I'm definitely exaggerating things in my memory since I was lumping Moving Pictures in despite it being a few books earlier. Though it makes things a bit worse since both Moving Pictures and Soul Music also feature the magic reset button. Honestly, they're pretty close to the same book, just switching music with movies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:17:50 2019 No.14405883 >>14405479 Nobody should read discworld in this order.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:43:06 2019 No.14406068 File: 1.12 MB, 1797x2048, chronological discworld.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14405883 >>14405509 Just get the next book from a random number generator then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:45:05 2019 No.14406079 >>14406068 Read in publication order like a normal man

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:46:16 2019 No.14406086 >>14405479 Are all characters weaklings I sorta don't like that either

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:50:48 2019 No.14406116 >>14406086 >all characters weaklings Which books have you read where everyone is a weakling? Only Rincewind is a coward, and prefers to run away from all kinds of bullshit, but he does "fight" from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:53:00 2019 No.14406138 >>14406116 I could name some that do get close. Dunno.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:57:07 2019 No.14406165

is there any appeal in discworld for me if i despise books centered around humor and quirkiness? i don't mind humor in books, but when the whole thing is supposed to be comedic, it's just grating to me. if i want to read interesting (not funny) stories, meet interesting (not funny) characters and read about interesting themes, is it worth getting into these books?
for example, i feel like if you strip away the humor from hitchhiker or gormenghast, you're not left with any reason to read the books. is it the same with discworld?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:59:56 2019 No.14406188 >>14405116 You can do that perfectly fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 20:01:18 2019 No.14406196 >>14406188 good news, thank you

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 20:13:29 2019 No.14406298
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>>14406165
Generally the story isn't one big joke in these books.
Oh there's puns and comedy and a generally wholesome demeanor, but the books do try to keep the central premise on the story and characters. Be that an adventure or an exploration of the human condition. Several of the books deal with more mature themes, such as death, in a mature way. For example there is a rather harsh depiction of violence induced miscarriage along with the emotional repercussions in what is supposed to be a "young adult" book.
You could try to read Mort.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 20:23:02 2019 No.14406346

>>14406298
thanks for breaking it down. unfortunately my autism will only allow me to read the books in publication order. will i be harming my experience of them if i do that? i remember that reading the first culture book (consider phlebas) turned me off the series completely.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 20:31:08 2019 No.14406393

>>14406346
You'll be enhancing your experience. Though your reference to the Phlebas is on point. The first few are weaker. But the thing is when you read in put order you see those weaknesses get shorn up in real time, as it were.

Just be patient, read on, watch it come into its own and then fade away. Very much worth it desu

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 20:39:12 2019 No.14406444

>>14406346
The first two or three are written early, before the author found his voice with this setting. There are some tonal dissonances with the rest of the series. At least give it the benefit of the doubt until you reach Mort. There's also a charming made-for-TV movie about the start of the saga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXW0p2ugRTs

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 20:54:48 2019 No.14406537 >>14406393 >>14406444 i see. thanks for the heads up. i shouldn't run into as much trouble with the discworld books since they're much shorter than consider phlebas

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:02:22 2019 No.14406587 >>14406537 Also the weaknesses of the first discworld books are merely weaknesses, missteps, things not clicking, and not the author's overweening arrogance. So it's not offputting the way the culture book is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:25:38 2019 No.14406716 >>14406346 Reading them in publication will give you a much better appreciation for how Discworld develops. However you'll be reading a few books most fans consider duds

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:29:20 2019 No.14406743
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>take a break from Desolate Era
>rereading Blindsight
what a GOOD fucking book
>~80% through
>thinking about following it up with more hardness and giving Diaspora a shot since it's already on my Kindle
I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:31:39 2019 No.14406757 Is Neuromancer good? Do I need to read the whole trilogy (and is it good, that too)?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:34:43 2019 No.14406771 >>14406757 Yes, no, apparently

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:44:01 2019 No.14406814 >>14406743 Did you get that puppers for Christmas, cosmerefag?

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 21:57:06 2019 No.14406868
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All these desert/Fremen chapters are putting me into a coma. I just want to get back to the scheming noble houses of the imperium that were the focus early on. It's a fucking relief to get the odd harkonnen chapter, but then only to return 7 pages later to see what these boring fucking sand people are doing in their mud huts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:02:33 2019 No.14406887 File: 126 KB, 700x1054, OG48cuB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14406814 >not having an /an/ folder Nah, I wish I could afford a dog.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:04:09 2019 No.14406897 File: 2.76 MB, 198x360, 1558987134484.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14406868

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:05:31 2019 No.14406905 >>14406887 I used to swap people's and dog's faces, and photoshop fat tail lizards into stew pots.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:08:55 2019 No.14406922

>>14406868
>'Dune is one of the greatest sci-fi novels ever written'
>'No!'
Dune is just a meme. Just because it influenced a lot of authors doesn't mean it's good. I'd rather fuck a spider than read about Paul performing some bukakabaptal'salimdong bullshit ritual. Fremen chapters are shit, every character is devoid of charisma with the exception of the Baron, and Herbert's prose makes GRRM look like Hemingway. Do yourself a favor and just wait for the Villeneuve's film adaptation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:14:54 2019 No.14406957 >>14406922 The baron is one of the only things keeping me reading. Hes just delightful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:15:08 2019 No.14406960 >>14399005 Sanderson is a decent writer that writes fast but has little of interest to say. He’s an average ‘nerd type’ with the standard opinions on most things. His lectures on the craft of writing is informative though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:18:46 2019 No.14406974 >>14405196 Sky islands seems more interesting. It’s fantasy so it isn’t stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 22:20:58 2019 No.14406982 >>14406165 Some do and some don’t. Going Postal and the sequel are quite good.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 23:14:27 2019 No.14407189

>>14394145
If it's a good scene at the end, that can easily justify it. Even though they're all in each other's company, that doesn't mean that the reader wouldn't benefit from seeing the events from different perspectives as the story progresses, and there's a lot of potential to simply increase the page-to-page enjoyment of reading with multiple POVs as well.
You also seem to be taking single-POV for granted, which is fair but can be damaging. Now that you've asked whether multi-POV would benefit the story, ask yourself whether single-POV would benefit the story in any way. If not, go for multi.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 23:52:06 2019 No.14407361

>by sheer fortune manage to write 500 words every night for three months
>passion and quality still haven't come back

man, I'm never going going to be a famous enough writer to tell the world god's honest truth: wizards shit on the floor imagining it's a trans person

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:02:12 2019 No.14407415

>>14407361
>kkk members are actual wizards
>the whole racism thing is just to draw attention away from them
>they are still pretty racist though
>secretly they dick around in politics and try to fight the nu-liberal communist agenda in the world

FUND IT

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:10:47 2019 No.14407460

Okay, galaxy brain time. Let’s look at the facts

J.K. Rowling:
>Is desperately against trans women using women’s bathrooms
>Depicts women’s bathrooms as a place where a girl can walk into a stall, see something long an sinuous and immediately die on the spot
>Created an idealized fantasy world whose inhabitants are famous for shitting on the floors

At what point do we have to conclude that she walked in trans woman in the bathroom one time and now shits on the floor constantly to avoid seeing the penis™

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:19:37 2019 No.14407492 >>14398461 3. The Hour of the Dragon 2. The Shadow Rising >inb4 "Wheel of Time sucks" fuck off tripfags its solid so far 1.The Garden of Forking Paths

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:07:45 2019 No.14407643 >>14407492 What tripfag? WoT is shit.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:08:02 2019 No.14407647

https://v16.muscdn.com/1dd71fd9c55b9bbfa41d2072e67b3e26/5e01fe3b/video/tos/maliva/tos-maliva-v-0068/e8f507849c82417481c9dda7b9688f65/?a=1233&br=4142&bt=2071&cr=0&cs=0&dr=0&ds=3&er=&l=20191224060149010115115135192647B3&lr=tiktok_m&qs=0&rc=amlsPDtmeWlxcTMzZTczM0ApNjpmZjo4ZWVoN2VlNjxkZmducF9wLjQxbHJfLS0wMTZzcy5gYzZeYDQ0NGJeNTIuLi46Yw%3D%3D

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:28:22 2019 No.14407700

>>14398644
Broken Earth is shit. I got halfway thru before I remembered why I don't take internet recs.

Premise: some people have power over the earth (quakes, tremors etc). Coincidentally, these same massive earthquakes keep destroying the earth. Wrecking empire after empire w few surviving.

Of course, these slaves with convenient control over the world reading phenomenon are enslaved. Niggers can't think of much else I suppose.

Basically the problem with the book is that it ignores how humans actually function in order to rub this slavery message all over the reader's face.

Somewhere before I dropped it the protagonist arrives at an island, where miracle of miracles the Islanders figured out that if they treat their magic earthquake wielders well, they survive.

You're telling me none of the previous empires tried this. Bullshit.

Couple that with gross leftist shit around every page. Tranny characters. Faggots. Sex didn't even manage to be titillating, it's was just gross. Overall, trash. A cool worldbuilding premise ruined by an inability to understand human nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:29:48 2019 No.14407707 >>14407700 *Worldwrecking

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:39:43 2019 No.14407736 File: 26 KB, 553x495, a611380358-1486737876929.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14407492 >WoT >not shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:44:27 2019 No.14407750 >>14407700 rant/end

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:10:33 2019 No.14407816

>>14407700
this is so fucking cringe
i had the same problem with the traitor baru cormorant. it's cringe american liberal pet issue after cringe american liberal pet issue. on like the first page it's revealed the main character has two dads. so progressive! isn't it funny how in this different and exotic culture i'm trying to portray, the customs line up with my thoughts on my favorite issue du jour.
can't these people write books without being so transparent

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:29:02 2019 No.14407872 >>14407816 I know. Remember, our enemies are writing. We have to get going. Stat.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:41:03 2019 No.14407906

>>14407872
sorry, no talent here.
also, personally i believe that the liberal type of person in generally more creative or at least more drawn to the arts. the problem is when they set 100% of the tone of discourse and trends in the arts, like what seems to be the case in america. i think a balance between liberal and conservative (if you'll allow me to use these simplified terms) forces is the most healthy and natural status quo. to me, they represent two different types of people and both types of person are needed in society to check each other and balance each other out. and fill different roles of course.
fuck if i know how we should go about achieving that or finding a solution to the problem though. i don't think we can suddenly get an influx of right winger authors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:43:38 2019 No.14407913 >>14407906 The key isn't necessarily talent, but to find something you can learn and get creating. I'll do my best to be part of the requisite right wing influx :) wish me luck, it'll be a few years prob.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:53:51 2019 No.14407944

>>14407913
well, i try to do my own thing and acquire useful skills but i'm just not drawn to this creative stuff.
good luck m8, hopefully one day i'll get to read books without retarded political pandering or at least the kind of retarded political pandering i like ;)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:02:47 2019 No.14408133 >>14406587 funny you should say that because i came off of consider phlebas with a mild dislike for the author and i was never quite able to understand why

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:06:22 2019 No.14408147 Give me a large epic fantasy thats going to kick my ass. All I can think of is Malazan and Wheel of Time and I dont know if either are good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:08:04 2019 No.14408150 >>14408147 kick your ass how? there's the chronicles of amber and the black company off the top of my head. but if you're terribly concerned about them being great quality i don't know if they'd fit your standards

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:26:23 2019 No.14408199 >>14408147 Both are very good and very very long. WoT is more beginner friendly and certainly easier to read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:46:16 2019 No.14408257 Anyone have the dune chart on what books to read and avoid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:47:17 2019 No.14408262 >>14408150 >kick your ass how? Just something long and good to read

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:51:26 2019 No.14408271

>>14408199
Different anon. Im halfway through the first malazan book and it feels like a chore. The warrens and ascendants and prophecies and scheming is cool and all but the characters and dialogue are so grim and lifeless. I feel like its just trying to rush through as much exposition as it can to set the pieces in place for the actual story to happen. Once the story starts for real do the characters become a bit more interesting or does it continue to just be constant scheming and prophesies? Do any characters ever show up or is the entire thing just an excuse to show off a homebrew dnd setting and magic system?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:04:29 2019 No.14408317 >>14408271 >the entire thing [is] just an excuse to show off a homebrew dnd setting and magic system? yep. it's a dull, sexless world. i've had more fun reading the dialogue in Avernum.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:10:08 2019 No.14408333

>>14408271
different anon here too
the characters, with very few exceptions remain just as grim and lifeless (excellent way to put it). also you don't follow the same characters throughout all books.
the exposition is very unsatisfying and by the time you get to a revelation you don't care about it much.
i'd say there are two or three very good stories worth reading through all 10 books. i didn't enjoy it much from book one but i stuck with it for some reason. all in all i'm not glad i did it.
i'd advise you to read book 2 because that's probably the best one and then drop the series.
my other two choices for good books are books four and five. but they're just well told and engaging stories. they're still miserable as hell.

say what you will about wot, at least it's not as relentlessly grey, depressing and dull.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:13:25 2019 No.14408339 >>14407700 >>14407816 Lmao the last 3 books I put on my Kindle were Broken Earth, Baru Cormorant and Circe. Now that I look at them they all seem to be the same kind of style of book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:25:17 2019 No.14408373 >>14408257 read the ones Frank wrote until you get bored or finished That's it, that's the entire fucking chart

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:35:29 2019 No.14408403

>>14408317
>>14408333
Thanks for the heads up. I'll see if I can power through the rest of book 1. Feels like this is the curse of being a fantasy/science fiction fan. The authors have a world and ideas they want to share but no fun characters or story to take place in it. You can come up with as many unique ideas and worlds as you want but without a human element to emotionally connect with the story, there isn't any point in exploring any of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:47:36 2019 No.14408442 File: 472 KB, 1080x1920, JPEG_20191204_144737.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >$8 for the lot at local church Anyway. How's New Crobuzon? Is it worth reading the series? Or should I keep working through Fritz Leiber's bibliography?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:49:50 2019 No.14408447 >>14408403 Why don't you, as the reader, be the human element?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:51:14 2019 No.14408450 >>14408442 >8 buckaroos I'm jelly, legitimately

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:54:05 2019 No.14408461 >>14408447 put a trip on already, so we can filter you

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:00:13 2019 No.14408482 >>14408461 No.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:22:03 2019 No.14408541 File: 1.50 MB, 1070x982, 1447919592216.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14406905 I have themed folders but I've never OC'd my own folders. >photoshop fat tail lizards into stew pots Let's see an example.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:31:10 2019 No.14408570 >>14393989 Each and every SF author I know included Jews in his writings. >the part where Achilles strings Hephaestus along in his hamfisted attempt to revive the Amazon chick he hates because Aphrodite made him want to fuck her tep kok

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:56:18 2019 No.14408650 >>14407944 I hope you were being sarcastic and pretending.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:57:57 2019 No.14408659 File: 469 KB, 1078x3280, wot review.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14408147 WoT is 3.4 million words. It'll kick your ass if size is what you're going for. >>14408262 >and good to read well, pic related. It's up to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:02:50 2019 No.14408681 >>14408442 Of course a church is going to approve of Sanderson, yet when I was 10 my Christian teachers and Sunday school teacher told me Harry Potter was the devil.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:10:59 2019 No.14408713 File: 7 KB, 240x210, download.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Someone..... please post the dune freedom bear.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:24:35 2019 No.14408762 >>14408681 And they were right

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:26:05 2019 No.14408766 File: 392 KB, 640x480, Tssst.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14408541 I don't have them on me(haven't see the pic sub 2015) and it seems that they are not in the archives either. Have this dog instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:38:45 2019 No.14408806 >>14401437 Your issue isn't that you'll never be as good as Tolkien, your issue is that you are comparing yourself to Tolkien. Accept your warts and get on with your writing.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:41:23 2019 No.14408810

>>14408766
>>14408541
I now remember. There was a data loss from the archives a few years ago, all the years of shitposts and messing with animal owners I did on /an/ is gone. Sad, I did some funny shit, and I used to delete my projects and the final product when I was finished. It was just shitposting after all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 08:00:58 2019 No.14408906 >>14408766 >>14408810 How is /an/ to post on regularly?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 08:01:09 2019 No.14408911

>people in /sffg/ like Jemisin now
This is very discouraging. Broken earth literally starts off with cyber sex tier exposition (or sexting for you zoomers). Just out of curiosity, I'm working on a hard sci fi novel with a focus on character study, theme, syntax, and diction and I'm wondering is there even a market for someone who doesn't write sff for for teens and manchildren anymore? Would any of you read a book that is a little north of Simmons in terms of art?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 08:14:35 2019 No.14408972 New >>14408970 >>14408970 >>14408970

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:27:44 2019 No.14410076 >>14407700 pretty much this, I struggled through the first book then dropped the series hard

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