Where does one start with psychoanalysis?

[Anonymous No.14366510]

Should I start with Freud to see its historical context?
Should I start with Lacan to see how its most relevant in academia?
Should I skip reading older primary sources and just skip to modern (maybe secondary) stuff, treating as if it were any other science?

[Anonymous No.14366568]

>>14366510
jung

[Anonymous No.14366626]

>>14366510
give me more of this cute anime girl holding philosophy book aaaaa

[Anonymous No.14366660]

>>14366510
Unironically start with Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald in order to put Freud et al in their social and historical perspective and so understand what they were trying to achieve with it. Before studying Freud's theories, study Freud himself along with those who push his theories.

[Anonymous No.14366668]

>>14366510
>wanting to learn jewish hocus pocus known as psychoanalysis

[Anonymous No.14366724]

>>14366660
Here's from Jung's autobiography, Freud hilariously and transparently trying to prevent Jung from seeing past and counteracting his evil shit:
>There was something else that seemed to me significant at that first meeting. It had to do with things which I was able to think out and understand only after our friendship was over. There was no mistaking the fact that Freud was emotionally involved in his sexual theory to an extraordinary degree. When he spoke of it, his tone became urgent, almost anxious, and all signs of his normally critical and skeptical manner vanished. A strange, deeply moved expression came over his face, the cause of which I was at a loss to understand. I had a strong intuition that for him sexuality was a sort of numinosum. This was confirmed by a conversation which took place some three years later (in 1910), again in Vienna.
>I can still recall vividly how Freud said to me, "My dear Jung, promise me never to abandon the sexual theory. That is the most essential thing of all. You see, we must make a dogma of it, an unshakable bulwark." He said that to me with great emotion, in the tone of a father saying, "And promise me this one thing, my dear son: that you will go to church every Sunday.' In some astonishment I asked him, "A bulwark against what?" To which he replied, "Against the black tide of mud" and here he hesitated for a moment, then added "of occultism." First of all, it was the words "bulwark" and "dogma'* that alarmed me; for a dogma, that is to say, an undisputable confession of faith, is set up only when the aim is to suppress doubts once and for all. But that no longer has anything to do with scientific judgment; only with a personal power drive.
>This was the thing that struck at the heart of our friendship. I knew that I would never be able to accept such an attitude. What Freud seemed to mean by "occultism'* was virtually everything that philosophy and religion, including the rising contemporary science of parapsychology, had learned about the psyche. To me the sexual theory was just as occult, that is to say, just as unproven an hypothesis, as many other speculative views. As I saw it, a scientific truth was a hypothesis which might be adequate for the moment but was not to be preserved as an article of faith for all time.

[Anonymous No.14366752]

>>14366724
Wow!

[Anonymous No.14366826]

>>14366724
mental innit

[Anonymous No.14367018]

I would suggest the following:
The Freud Reader
Freud as Philosopher
The Lacanian Subject
Ecrits and Seminars of Jacques Lacan

For Jung (bonus):
Start with Man and His Symbols, Modern Man in Search of a Soul, or Memories, Dreams, Reflections -- these are all his mass market introductory books...
From there, proceed to the Bollingen Series. Can and should be read all in order if you are a completionist but highlights include Two Essays on Analytical Psychology, Archetyes and the Collective Unconscious, Aion, and Psychology and Alchemy.

[Anonymous No.14367044]

Plato Dialogues.
Especially Alcibiades I

[Anonymous No.14367067]

>>14367018
>le condescending reading list that assumes the reader is an absolute brainlet that has to be led by the hand